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Jack,

This is an unworthy ad hominem about this case. He is the heir to the Volvo fortune,

as I understand it. Certainly, your observation is beneath your place in all of this.

Jim

In case anyone is interested, JVB's main support comes from a Dutch porn millionaire

who is suspected of CIA involvement.

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I take it we are not talking about Wim Dankbaar.

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Jack,

This is an unworthy ad hominem about this case. He is the heir to the Volvo fortune,

as I understand it. Certainly, your observation is beneath your place in all of this.

Jim

In case anyone is interested, JVB's main support comes from a Dutch porn millionaire

who is suspected of CIA involvement.

First I have heard of this. The information came from "Bob Vernon"...though he is hardly

a reliable source. Vernon claimed that he was involved in pornography, which is legal in

the Netherlands.

Jack

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Pamela, Thank you for this extremely appropriate post, one of very few in this thread. I appreciate it greatly. Jim

YouTube: Judyth Vary Baker: Living in Exile

http://www.youtube.com/user/JamesFetzerNews

Judyth Vary Baker, with whom I and others within the JFK community are in contact, lives in exile due to persecution in the US because of what she knows as a witness concerning Lee Harvey Oswald. The covert operation against Judyth is very serious and takes its toll upon her. She is now 66 years of age and has been forced to live in exile in Europe, where she resides in virtual poverty, even though she is a talented artist who has sold her paintings around the world for more than thirty years. The objective of this campaign appears to be to minimize awareness of her existence as a link to the alleged assassin.

My Blog: Judyth Vary Baken: Living in Exile

http://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com/2010...-in-exile.html

Judyth Baker is a documented witness to Lee Harvey Oswald in New Orleans in the summer of 1963. Despite that fact she has been treated with calumny by some in the 'research community'. She has been hunted down, even while in temporary asylum. She has been treated with scorn and derision. There is just no excuse.

Judyth is a witness. She has her own experiences, and she is choosing to share them. She may be mistaken about some things, as witnesses can be, but her tenacity in spite of almost insurmountable odds and her continued faith in the innocence of Lee Oswald shine brightly in an otherwise darkened landscape.

What we need to do is just to allow her to have a voice. We can decide for ourselves whether or not we are persuaded by what she has to say. That is all. Surely that is not too much to ask.

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This, I hope, will be my FINAL posting on this subject. Someone or some agency

has designed the JVB affair TO DIVIDE RESEARCHERS. The have succeeded beyond

their expectations.

Let us all concede for a moment EVERY STATEMENT made by JVB is TRUE. What are

we left with which might advance the solution to the JFK case???

1. This teen science student was recruited by the CIA to assist David Ferrie in designing

a means of killing Fidel Castro using cancer cells.

2. This teen girl was introduced into high level anti-Castro Cuban persons in New Orleans,

including Carlos Marcello, Guy Bannister, Clay Shaw, Dr. Oschner and others.

3. This married teen girl was assisted by these anti-Castro persons on a few days notice

to become involved in a romance with a CIA asset who had been steered into employment

at a CIA asset company.

4. What agency recruits high school students to devise cancer infections to be used in

assassination attempts? What agency uses this student, a strange ex-pilot, a famed

doctor and medical researcher who is strangely murdered to devise cancer strains to

be delivered to Cuba to kill Castro?

5. Much later, this teen girl learned that her lover was involved in a plot to kill the president

but instead of reporting this plot, she aids and abets her lover's involvement.

Now where have we heard all of this before? Who or what agency has been heavily

involved in promoting the Cuban connection as the perpetrators of the assassination?

The answer is clear.

I hope this is my final word.

Carry on.

Jack

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One of the stranger aspects to this story is Edward Haslam's account of meeting a different Judyth Vary Baker in 1972

at a party near the Tulane campus. (Dr Mary's Monkey, pp. 286-287)

According to Haslam, this other Judyth Vary Baker (the hostess of the party) told Haslam and his wife that she had been

a friend of Lee Oswald.

Hi Michael,

If you can ever find a Haslam account of having met a Judyth Vary Baker before the Judyth Vary Baker we

know emerged, I'd be very interested in seeing it. :-)

Bests,

Barb :-)

Barb,

About the 35 minute mark.... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-678503303319704937#

And a correction: It was Haslam's girlfriend, not his wife, that accompanied him to the party.

Thanks, Michael, but this is an interview done in 2006. Haslam has told the party story about a Judyth Vary Baker many times in recent years. Judyth became known starting in 1999/2000. The party was in 1972, according to Haslam, his book, Mary,Ferrie and the Monkey Virus was published in 1995 - with nary a Vary Baker mentioned in there anywhere.

It is any reference he made about having met a Judyth Vary Baker at a party in 1972 *before* Judyth became a known in 1999/2000 that I would like to see.

But thanks.

Bests,

Barb :-)

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Through James Fetzer, Judyth said:

I WORKED IN DR. MOORE'S LAB AND WAS ENROLLED IN THE OTHER PROGRAM, BUT MY MAIN DUTIES WERE WITH DR. MOORE. I WAS INVITED PERSONALLY BY HIM TO WORK IN HIS LAB AND WAS ALSO ENROLLED IN THE SUMMER PROGRAM, WHICH I ATTENDED FOR SEMINARS AND PRESENTATIONS AND ALSO TO LEARN HOW TO HANDLE VIRUSES, WITH DR. GRACE.

Ahhh, it's the birth of a new claim .... now she *worked for* Dr. Moore and attended the summer program besides.

Bzzzzt. I hope Judyth thinks about that one long and hard before trying to float it in her new book ... or anywhere. :-)

And, Judyth ... what was your girlfriend from Hungary's name??

Barb :-)

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Jack,

You, more than anyone else, are convincing me that Judyth has never received a fair shake. So far as I have been able to discern, EVERY POINT YOU HAVE MADE AGAINST HER HAS BEEN WRONG. [i have italicized two lines here where I inferred she was quoting from others. Those are my italics.] Consider the following:

From Judyth:

Look at this, and then see how my testimony has been twisted by prejudice:

I Led Three Lives premiered in 1953. Robert Oswald joined the Marines in 1952 . . .

Jack White gave you the pitch--and that comes from not talking to me or reading my statements carefully--that through much labor of love I write yet again. See, this is the stuff that has been erased, Jim and Lola---and now I have to go through it all over again!

Anyway, Jack says I fell for Robert Oswald's "lie" and ten made up my own. (By the way, psychologically, all this does sink into your soul, as you read these attacks.) He says Lee Oswald did not see and love "I Led Three Lives" as Robert said, which was his favorite show, because "Robert was in the Marines by 1952, and the show came out in 1953."

Robert said Lee saw it in Texas.

His memory is flawed, that's all. Lee saw it in New York and probably told Robert he watched it and loved it when Robert visited them in Texas on leave. That is my educated guess.

White says I have somehow fallen for the Robert Oswald fabrication.

But, as I told you on the phone BEFORE Jack White brought this up, Lee told me he saw "I Led Three Lives" in New York, which is why he looked to see if it was 'still playing' in New York, when he spotted the TV guide on the back of my article.

Where was Lee Oswald in 1953?

In 1952 Marguerite Oswald brought Lee with her to New York City... they left New York in January of 1954, and returned to New Orleans ...

The actual premiere date was Oct. 04, 1953. It was on every week, which means Lee could have seen as many as 9 episodes before returning to Texas. And of course, we do assume it was also playing in Texas, as this was a syndicated show, there, as well.

Here's the calendar:

October 1953

S M Tu W Th F S

1 2 3

4 5 6 7 8 9 10

11 12 13 14 15 16 17

18 19 20 21 22 23 24

25 26 27 28 29 30 31

[HOME ENG] [HOME JPN] [index of Calendar]

November 1953

S M Tu W Th F S

1 2 3 4 5 6 7

8 9 10 11 12 13 14

15 16 17 18 19 20 21

22 23 24 25 26 27 28

29 30

[HOME ENG] [HOME JPN] [index of Calendar]

December 1953

S M Tu W Th F S

1 2 3 4 5

6 7 8 9 10 11 12

13 14 15 16 17 18 19

20 21 22 23 24 25 26

27 28 29 30 31

Judyth sent this in relation to the question about Herbert Philbrick. It is

inconceivable to me that she would have stored something like this away

were what she is telling us not at least partially truthful. And if you know

that her unfinished manuscript was stolen--already stunning if she is just

a flake!--then you know it could have been salted with false claims that

could be shown to be inconsistent with documents and thereby disproven.

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Maybe you're right, Jack, and it wouldn't be the first time I am wrong. I

am listening to what you are telling me, but must assess it for myself, as

is the case for every other aspect of the assassination. I have received a

file from Judy that pertains to what I have had to say, but I am unable to

upload it because, I am being told, it is too large. May I send it to you to

see if you could upload it on my behalf? I will send it to you now by email.

Jim...You are a newcomer to the Judyth experience. Get a complete copy of

her written story, as told to Martin Shackleford and some other LNs, and check

it against documentation. Rich DellaRosa did this. John Armstrong did it. Mary

Ferrell did it. After 9 months or so of study, all found she did not pass the

smell test.

One of the smelliest to me was her claim that Carlos Marcello took an interest

in the two lovers and put Lee and Judyth up at fancy hotels for love trysts. Huh?

Her claim that people who saw them together mistook her for Marina when

she looks nothing like Marina.

Her claim of being passionate lovers when perhaps they worked at the same

company for only two months. The claim about a honeymoon in Cancun

after Lee divorced Marina, when the resort of Cancun did not exist then.

Get her written story and check it out. Have you read her claims, or have

you just formed an opinion based on what she has told you. (You are the latest

in a LONG LIST of researchers she has chaarmed.)

I go with John Armstrong. If he says her stories do not fit the documentation,

then they do not.

Jack

Jim...before you proceed any further with the I LED THREE LIVES lie of Robert

Oswald, I urge you to read page 42 of HARVEY & LEE by John Armstrong, where

John thoroughly DEBUNKS the I LED THREE LIVES fiction. The show premiered

a year later than LHO could have seen it!

JVB is a hot potato. Drop her without getting further into the swamp of aligators.

Jack

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In response to Jack's FINAL post, Judyth's answers are in bold face or in CAPS. What bothers me is not that Dixie Dea or Barb Jankarrinen or Bill Kelly have axes to grind, which does not surprise me, but that Jack, whom I esteem, has almost everything wrong about Judyth. He has offered seven, eight, or nine specific points about her, including relative to "I Led Three Lives", and all of them are wrong! That stuns me. No one or agency has DESIGNED the Judyth affair "to divide researchers", as he asserts. Some of us are willing to listen to what she has to say and be guided by the evidence, while others--the majority, from the sampling on this thread, it appears--are not. Anyone who continues to subscribe to Factitious Disorder, in my view, suffers from Factlesious Disorder, which is an acute inability to acknowledge obvious facts.

She does not appear to be suffering from a tendency to "deliberately exaggerate and/or fabricate and/or induce physical and/or psychological-behavioral-mental health problems in themselves. The primary purpose of this behavior is to gain some form of internal gratification, such as attention, for themselves", assuming that Colby's citation is correct. Who would wish this kind of attention for themselves? Indeed, she, unlike the members of this forum, actually has subjected herself to psychological tests and has been certified as a normal, non-paranoid person who is not suffering from any serious psychological impairments. And based upon my own recent personal interactions with her, that is obvious to me. So I would hope that we can cease attempting to dismiss what she has to say on the ground that she is some kind of nut.

Judyth is obviously not a nut and does not suffer from Factitious Disorder. It is also obvious, however, that the members of this thread are not paying attention to what she has to say, the proof that she offers or the arguments that she has presented. The majority of you are displaying an acute inability to even acknowledge obvious facts. This whole experience has been stunning for me. Not only has Judyth been able to rebut--in most cases, actually refute--the charges laid against her but she has shown herself to be far superior at research than 95% of the members of this forum. The weight of the evidence, as I see it, overwhelmingly suggests that, by and large, Judyth is right and, for the most part, her critics are wrong. I am convinced she has not been given a fair shake, here or elsewhere. Which is what I intend to provide.

Martin Shackelford, to whom I have on occasion taken strong exception, but who, like myself, believes in Judyth, has written, "It is interesting that whenever a forum provides an opportunity to discuss Judyth's account in an open manner, it is suddenly inundated with attacks posts from three sources: 1) Team McAdams, including Dave Reitzes; 2) The DellaRosa group, including Dixie and Bernice; 3) The Lancer group, including Dave Weaver. Apparently the idea that Judyth might be taken seriously is far too threatening to any of them to be permitted." Bernice, I am glad to observe, has not joined the fray. But the deeper question is why Judyth's account should be so threatening to the government. And I think it is because it provides a more reasonable approach toward understanding the life of an undercover op, who was actually risking his life for the sake of his country and trying to save our president's life, not take it.

From Judyth on Jack's last:

This, I hope, will be my FINAL posting on this subject. Someone or some agency

has designed the JVB affair TO DIVIDE RESEARCHERS. The have succeeded beyond

their expectations.

===

Think. It's been almost five years since I posted at The Education Forum, after much abuse...but these people are blind...Note that they did not even acknowledge the documents and 13 reasons you put up, Jim--not one comment about the psychologist's report--not one comment about witnesses--but Barb J WILL call the Clinic and try to pry out a bad comment about me if she possibly can from somebody, even though it was eight years ago and is a clinic where dozens come through every week. Meanwhile, people here have had to wait some five years before the nefarious plan worked to divide the Education Forum.

===

Let us all concede for a moment EVERY STATEMENT made by JVB is TRUE. What are

we left with which might advance the solution to the JFK case???

1. This teen science student was recruited by the CIA to assist David Ferrie in designing

a means of killing Fidel Castro using cancer cells.

===

Ochsner and Ferrie and Sherman. I never considered myself recruited, I felt used.

===

2. This teen girl was introduced into high level anti-Castro Cuban persons in New Orleans,

including Carlos Marcello, Guy Bannister, Clay Shaw, Dr. Oschner and others.

===

Interesting that Shaw and Ferrie knew each other well, Dr. Ochsner and Shaw knew each other well, and Ferrie worked for Banister (one 'n')...that Carlos Marcello sold land to Clint Murchison who almost gave it to Ochsner for his new hospital, which sits only a few blocks from Carlos Marcello's headquarters at Town & Country (see my book)...that I worked at Royal Castle where Carlos Marcello's PARKING LOT was also shared by Royal Castle and Bobby Kennedy's men used it as a dead-drop on their spying of Marcello for the upcoming deportation case held Nov. 22 .... that Mary Sherman (Mafia Kingfish) was known to Dave Ferrie and Ed Haslam has researched my close association with Ochsner, her boss... This is a circle of acquaintances due to my position in medicine and my position at that time working with Sherman, Ferrie and Ochsner. Others named were closely related, where part of the reason my name did not come up was that I was "Mrs. Baker" at Reily, and "Miss Vary" with Mary and Ferrie.

===

3. This married teen girl was assisted by these anti-Castro persons on a few days notice

to become involved in a romance with a CIA asset who had been steered into employment

at a CIA asset company.

===

Whoa! I was steered into the very same company on the very same day... Just another 'coincidence'? There are many more, such as being steered into the same subcomany first--Standard--a fact that researchers NEVER COMMENTED ON OR NOTICED UNTIL I SPOKE OUT. They assumed that Lee worked for Reily from day one because his first check was cut at Reily. But Lee checked in TWICE that morning--checked in first for Standard, then for Reily, so he could get his check cut in time. I had no such special treatment, and my first check got cut later that day--from Standard.

In WC you can see Bll Monaghan, my boss, reading that Lee Oswald's background report was requested by STANDARD COFFEE COMPANY. Over at Standard, I laundered the records.

===

4. What agency recruits high school students to devise cancer infections to be used in

assassination attempts? What agency uses this student, a strange ex-pilot, a famed

doctor and medical researcher who is strangely murdered to devise cancer strains to

be delivered to Cuba to kill Castro?

===

THE CIA. THAT QUESTON ANSWERS ITSELF WITH EXPLODING SEASHELLS, BOTULIN-LACED DIVING SUITS, BERYLLIUM TO MAKE CASTOR'S BEARD FALL OUT, AND 300 PLUS OTHER PLOTS. SAM GIANCANA'S BOOK EVEN MENTIONS CANCER INJECTONS AND RADIATION TO KILL CASTOR WORKING TOGETHER AS A RUMOR THE MAFIA HAD...JACK RUBY SAID HE WAS INJECTED WITH CANCER CELLS AND HIS GUARD, MADDOX, AGREES. PLUS, I HAVE NEWSPAPERS SAYING THE SAME THING.

WHAT IS MORE OUTLANDISH, REALLY--USING A YOUNG UNTRACEABLE CANCER RESEARCHER TO HELP SPEED ALONG A CANCER PROJECT ED HASLAM FOUND OUT ACTUALLY EXISTED, OR IMPERSONATING A PERSON IN MEXCIO CITY BY GOING TO THE EXTREMES OF A FAKE PHOTO, FAKE PHONE CALLS, AND EVEN FAKE LETTERS, THEN SAYING HE WAS A LONE NUT STUPID ENOUGH TO SHOOT THE PRESIDENT FROM THE WNDOW OF HIS OWN WORKPLACE WITHOUT A PLAUSIBLE MOTIVE?

===

5. Much later, this teen girl learned that her lover was involved in a plot to kill the president

but instead of reporting this plot, she aids and abets her lover's involvement.

===

YEARS AGO, TOSH PLUMLEE TOLD A SECRET TO JIM MARRS. WHEN I REPEATED THAT SECRET TO JIM ABOUT THE ABORT TEAM, HE JUMPED TO ALERTNESS . BECAUSE I WAS THE ONLY PERSON HE'D EVER MET WHO TALKED ABOUT THE ABORT TEAM EXCEPT FOR PLUMLEE, WHO LATER IS FORCED TO RETRACT SOME OF WHAT HE SAID DUE TO NOT KNOWING THE TRUE INTENTIONS OF SOME TEAM MEMBERS. BUT I KNEW ABOUT THE TEAM, AND LEE HAD TOLD ME. JIM KNEW NOBODY KNEW THAT. IT HADN'T GOT OUT, SO FAR AS I AM AWARE, TO ANYBODY BUT JIM.

===

Now where have we heard all of this before? Who or what agency has been heavily

involved in promoting the Cuban connection as the perpetrators of the assassination?

The answer is clear.

===

CUBA CONNECTION? I HAVE MADE IT PLAIN FROM THE BEGINNING THAT LBJ'S CRONIES, MILITARY, SS, CIA AND FBI WORKED TOGETHER, SOME HARDER THAN OTHERS, ALL WITH IMMENSE HATRED FOR KENNEDY.

I DO NOW WHAT IT FEELS LIKE TO BE HATED BY ONE'S ENEMIES.

I THINK OF KENNEDY AND LEE AND HOW BRAVE THEY WERE, AND HOPE I CAN HANG IN THERE.

===

This, I hope, will be my FINAL posting on this subject. Someone or some agency

has designed the JVB affair TO DIVIDE RESEARCHERS. The have succeeded beyond

their expectations.

Let us all concede for a moment EVERY STATEMENT made by JVB is TRUE. What are

we left with which might advance the solution to the JFK case???

1. This teen science student was recruited by the CIA to assist David Ferrie in designing

a means of killing Fidel Castro using cancer cells.

2. This teen girl was introduced into high level anti-Castro Cuban persons in New Orleans,

including Carlos Marcello, Guy Bannister, Clay Shaw, Dr. Oschner and others.

3. This married teen girl was assisted by these anti-Castro persons on a few days notice

to become involved in a romance with a CIA asset who had been steered into employment

at a CIA asset company.

4. What agency recruits high school students to devise cancer infections to be used in

assassination attempts? What agency uses this student, a strange ex-pilot, a famed

doctor and medical researcher who is strangely murdered to devise cancer strains to

be delivered to Cuba to kill Castro?

5. Much later, this teen girl learned that her lover was involved in a plot to kill the president

but instead of reporting this plot, she aids and abets her lover's involvement.

Now where have we heard all of this before? Who or what agency has been heavily

involved in promoting the Cuban connection as the perpetrators of the assassination?

The answer is clear.

I hope this is my final word.

Carry on.

Jack

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For those unaware Judyth was a member in the past and that her reports about her research have been highly consistent over the years:

Judyth Baker

May 3 2004, 05:22 PM

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Member No.: 606

I only wish to add that when I say the project was 'sponsored by the CIA' I do NOT mean directly. Ochsner and Sherman were already involved in other projects that interested the CIA. This was an offshoot of a polio research project. There were a number of sponsors of this project who did not know anything but very general details: another plot to try to get Castro, using medical means. The CIA was doing projects such as an exploding seashell, a scuba diving suit laced with botulinum toxin bacteria, and AMLASH got a poison pen filled with Blackleaf 40 - nicotinic acid from cigarettes that, injected in the veins, causes quick and painful death. The beauty of Ochsner's project was the attempt to make it seem a natural death. The ediving suit had to be delivered to Castro by somebody - who would do that? An exploding seashell could be picked up by almost anybody with Castro. Who would have the guts to stick Castro with a pen's hypodermic needle full of deadly Blackleaf 40? But if Castro seemed to get cancer... who could be blamed for that? 'Everybody knew' that you can't get cancer via injections. Right? But Dr. Grace, at Roswell Park Institute, where I was trained in 1961, had, in 1959, minced up human cancer tumors and injected them into young mice. ALL the mice got cancer. Dr. Grace's son had died of leukemia, and he was determined to hunt down the virus. He gave the mice the human cancers with a clear liquid - no cancer cells in it at all - and ALL the mice got cancer from the virus that remained in the filtrate. How hard would it have been to give HUMANS cancer from HUMAN tumors? What if Castro got a shot of clear liquid that would give him cancer? Who would ever guess?

Dr. Ochsner and Dr. Moore of Roswell Park traveled together to testify in 1960 and later against cigarette smoking, as a cause of lung cancer. My first sponsor, Dr. Diehl, Vice President of the American Cancer Society, was the third of this triumvirate to testify. He also, as did Ochsner, wrote books against smoking. If Castro could be given lung cancer, it could be blamed on the cigars he smoked. In 1964, the Surgeon General declared that smoking could cause cancer.

So that was the basis of this project. Billions of dollars and forty years later, do YOU know if cancer can be given by injection? Jack Ruby knew all these things: he brought money from Texas for the project. When he said he was injected with cancer, nobody believed him. Forty years after Dr. Grace's work, do you really believe nobody ever moved forward on his findings in the government, the same government anxious to develop anthrax, and other biological weapons?

Who has access to the government's biological weapons? Who knows what's in the deep freeze? I, myself, was asked to custom-create chemicals that would aid in the deep-freeze of such biological materials only a couple of months after the product was ready. I worked on that project at Peninsular ChemResearch and have records proving my many hours of after-hours work, etc. at this highly advanced laboratory. JVB p.s. please forgive typos, my eyes are not good,. Thanks.

Through James Fetzer, Judyth said:

I WORKED IN DR. MOORE'S LAB AND WAS ENROLLED IN THE OTHER PROGRAM, BUT MY MAIN DUTIES WERE WITH DR. MOORE. I WAS INVITED PERSONALLY BY HIM TO WORK IN HIS LAB AND WAS ALSO ENROLLED IN THE SUMMER PROGRAM, WHICH I ATTENDED FOR SEMINARS AND PRESENTATIONS AND ALSO TO LEARN HOW TO HANDLE VIRUSES, WITH DR. GRACE.

Ahhh, it's the birth of a new claim .... now she *worked for* Dr. Moore and attended the summer program besides.

Bzzzzt. I hope Judyth thinks about that one long and hard before trying to float it in her new book ... or anywhere. :-)

And, Judyth ... what was your girlfriend from Hungary's name??

Barb :-)

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Ask her why she changed her story about when she first met Oswald at the post office

You know the crazy bit about thanking him in Russian on accident because she was learning how to speak it at the time :lol:

She just happened to thank him in Russian when he spoke Russian himself and Judyth did not

She changed her story when researchers jumped all over her absured "first" meeting with Oswald

I would love to hear why she changed her story

Jim please dont think im jumping on you because I respect everything you have ever done, but this part of Judyths story that she changed is one of the many reasons I dont believe her

Dean

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During the interview Judyth Vary Baker states the following:

By the way, the reason The Education Forum's JFK forum exists is because I wrote to John Simkin and asked him to form it. He did, and for some time I posted there, until Jack White and others began attacking me.

That is not quite true. The JFK section began on 13th March 2004. See first posting:

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=511

Judyth then contacted me about my page on her:

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKbakerJ.htm

I then invited her to answer my question on the Forum. She agreed and joined on 27th March 2004. However, she did withdraw because some members raised doubts about the truth of her testimony.

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How do you ''develop'' anthrax? Do you mean develop a synthetic anthrax? I thought it would have been grown from a source? Am I having a semantic problem? (probably, but a clarification I'd appreciate (''If'' ... yes sorry sir, it won't happen again., promise).

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Here are the first few paragraphs from the Wiki entry on anthrax. I think Judyth was talking about developing military-grade strains for use as bio-weapon, which is mentioned in the fourth paragraph. You should do a google search for articles by Barry Kissin on the anthrax attacks on the members of the Senate who wanted to hold hearings on the PATRIOT ACT, Tom Daschel and Patrick Leahy. They were being use as weapons of intimidation but actually killed two postal workers. It had been developed at Ft. Detrick in Maryland.

Anthrax is an acute disease caused by Bacillus anthracis. It affects both humans and other animals. Most forms of the disease are lethal. There are effective vaccines against anthrax, and some forms of the disease respond well to antibiotic treatment.

Like many other members of the genus Bacillus, Bacillus anthracis can form dormant spores that are able to survive in harsh conditions for extremely long periods of time—even decades or centuries.[1] Such spores can be found on all continents, even Antarctica.[2] When spores are inhaled, ingested, or come into contact with a skin lesion on a host they may reactivate and multiply rapidly.

Anthrax commonly infects wild and domesticated herbivorous mammals which ingest or inhale the spores while grazing. Ingestion is thought to be the most common route by which herbivores contract anthrax. Carnivores living in the same environment may become infected by consuming infected animals. Diseased animals can spread anthrax to humans, either by direct contact (e.g. inoculation of infected blood to broken skin) or consumption of diseased animals' flesh.

Anthrax spores can be produced in vitro and used as a biological weapon. Anthrax does not spread directly from one infected animal or person to another; it is spread by spores. These spores can be transported by clothing or shoes. The dead body of an animal that died of anthrax can also be a source of anthrax spores.

How do you ''develop'' anthrax? Do you mean develop a synthetic anthrax? I thought it would have been grown from a source? Am I having a semantic problem? (probably, but a clarification I'd appreciate (''If'' ... yes sorry sir, it won't happen again., promise).
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Ah, ok, thank you, Jim, I appreciate that.

I wonder if Judith could explain the technology they used to produce these strains?

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