Chemtrails are back!

[Duane Daman]

"I HAVE looked at the "evidence". I have found it lacking."

The chemtrail evidence isn't what's lacking.. What's lacking is your ability to admit it's true.

"The article is written by Mike Blair but it doesn't really make it clear that he is referring to himself."

You mean you don't believe Blair actually wrote that article, or you don't believe he really believes what he wrote?

"Your research standard is approaching Jack's. I post immediately? Care to actually check those times? You know that is BS. Most of the time I have to wait until I get home because I can't usually post from work."

Well, it's good to know that you can't waste your time posting your nonsense here while you're at work.. Everybody needs break from that sometimes.

"Which brings up another point, I am NOT a pilot nor am I paid to post here or anywhere. If your research had bothered to bring you to my signature, biography, or the forum rules, you would know that and you would know you aren't allowed to make that accusation anyway."

It was not an accusation, it was me hoping you aren't involved in the US Air Force's poisoning of the planet.. Please read what I wrote again and then stop accusing me of accusing you.

This is what I said .. "I just hope you're not one the Air Force pilots helping to destroy the planet."

That is clearly NOT an accusation.

[Matthew Lewis]

"I HAVE looked at the "evidence". I have found it lacking."

The chemtrail evidence isn't what's lacking.. What's lacking is your ability to admit it's true.

BS. "Chemtrails" depend on a LIE that contrails can not persist. Proponents have only tested samples collected on the ground. Their evidence is lacking. I have been researching this for more than 10 years. EVERYTHING I've seen, in person, pictures or video, can be explained by contrails.

"The article is written by Mike Blair but it doesn't really make it clear that he is referring to himself."

You mean you don't believe Blair actually wrote that article, or you don't believe he really believes what he wrote?

Neither, I mean what I said, that he doesn't make it clear he is referring to himself. If the phrase "An Air Force veteran, who while on active duty was attached to the nation's top secret National Security Agency (NSA), " is supposed to refer to the author, it is in third person and at best is badly written. It appears he is writing about someone else that is unnamed.

"Your research standard is approaching Jack's. I post immediately? Care to actually check those times? You know that is BS. Most of the time I have to wait until I get home because I can't usually post from work."

Well, it's good to know that you can't waste your time posting your nonsense here while you're at work.. Everybody needs break from that sometimes.

I don't post nonsense. You haven't yet bothered to address what I've written. You just spam more youtube videos.

"Which brings up another point, I am NOT a pilot nor am I paid to post here or anywhere. If your research had bothered to bring you to my signature, biography, or the forum rules, you would know that and you would know you aren't allowed to make that accusation anyway."

It was not an accusation, it was me hoping you aren't involved in the US Air Force's poisoning of the planet.. Please read what I wrote again and then stop accusing me of accusing you.

This is what I said .. "I just hope you're not one the Air Force pilots helping to destroy the planet."

That is clearly NOT an accusation.

Stating the Air Force is involved in spraying (which is unproven), stating I'm in the Air Force, and making the point that I "monitor this forum day and night to make sure you post immediately after anyone posts any evidence of chemtrails." (also unproven and untrue) is meant to imply I post here for a job. I maintain it is an accusation.

Edited September 22, 2010 by Matthew Lewis

[Duane Daman]

"I don't post nonsense. You haven't yet bothered to address what I've written. You just spam more youtube videos."

I haven't spammed anything .. The YouTube videos I posted here provide the PROOF that chemtrails are being sprayed, that they are NOT contrails, and that the Air Force is involved with the spraying of these poisons.

"Stating the Air Force is involved in spraying (which is unproven), stating I'm in the Air Force, and making the point that I "monitor this forum day and night to make sure you post immediately after anyone posts any evidence of chemtrails." (also unproven and untrue) is meant to imply I post here for a job. I maintain it is an accusation."

Sorry, but it's a proven fact that the Air Force is spraying chemtrails, and I also believe it's a fact that you're in the Air Force.. I never implied that your job is posting here.

So I guess you're not a work right now?

Edited September 22, 2010 by Duane Daman

[Matthew Lewis]

"I don't post nonsense. You haven't yet bothered to address what I've written. You just spam more youtube videos."

I haven't spammed anything .. The YouTube videos I posted here provide the PROOF that chemtrails are being sprayed, that they are NOT contrails, and that the Air Force is involved with the spraying of these poisons.

"Stating the Air Force is involved in spraying (which is unproven), stating I'm in the Air Force, and making the point that I "monitor this forum day and night to make sure you post immediately after anyone posts any evidence of chemtrails." (also unproven and untrue) is meant to imply I post here for a job. I maintain it is an accusation."

Sorry, but it's a proven fact that the Air Force is spraying chemtrails, and I also believe it's a fact that you're in the Air Force.. I never implied that your job is posting here.

So I guess you're not a work right now?

It is NOT a proven fact that the Air Force is spraying "chemtrails" or that "chemtrails" even exist. Again, the majority of trails come from commercial aircraft. The majority of trails come from aircraft the Air Force doesn't even have.

Again, read post 105

I said it USUALLY does not let me post form work. I was on lunch, not that it is any of your business.

 

[Matthew Lewis]

The very first jet is NOT military. Its trails are coming from the engines as you'd expect from contrails. Second jet is the same, not military (thanks for providing evidence against your assumption by the way), not even a type the Air Force owns. The center trail appears to be a short lived aerodynamic contrail likely forming off the vertical stabilizer. Aerodynamic contrails are often short lived and formed at wing tips and on lifting surfaces. The third jet is the same without the contrails from the engines. The fourth jet at 1:43 appears to be the same footage at the second jet or at least shows the same thing. Again, engine contrails and an intermittent aerodynamic contrail. Same thing again with the fifth jet at 2:03. It goes on and on. The majority of the video shows either aerodynamic contrails or intermittent contrails due to non-uniform air. The floating dust after nine minutes is pretty but doesn't prove anything. The last scene shows a vortex or wake turbulence study. There are smoke generators on the wingtips to make the wake turbulence visible.

Everything in this video can be explained by contrails.

Ultimate proof? Only proof that planes can travel at different altitudes, traveling through air of different temperatures and moisture contents and thus have different types of contrails. Also proof that you can't tell the difference in altitude by the naked eye.

No proof that the trails came from the wing. Even if they did, so what? They are obviously unaware of aerodynamic contrails. No proof the plane is at 6,000 feet. They make the claim that the clouds the plane is traveling through are at 6,000 feet max but they misidentified the clouds. The clouds shown in the video are cirrus clouds. Those typically form above 25,000 feet.

 

[Matthew Lewis]

Though this video cuts off abruptly at the end, the narrator does have time to say that the Air Force is involved in this crime and cover up.

The narrator was mentioning the 2025 project. A STUDENT project written from the standpoint of IF we had an unlimited budget and IF we had some extra technology that we don't have, here is what we could do. The "Owning the Weather" section is but a small part of the entire project. You should really read all of it sometime. Part of it (including parts of Owning the Weather) are quite humorous. There is a lot in there that is not possible and even more that is not feasible even if it were possible. It is ALL speculation.

In this footage we see a chemtrail being switched off and on .. The guy who shot this video thinks he's looking at a contrail, so doesn't understand how it can be switched off and on.

And? Is it impossible for a contrail to start and stop? Is the air all completely uniform? No. The easiest example of this is that clouds have edges. Contrails, which are essentially cirrus clouds, form and persist depending primarily on air temperature and moisture content. An aircraft passing through air of varying temperature and/or moisture content can have contrails that start and stop.

More proof that the US Air Force is spaying chemtrails.. This History Chanel documentary also dicusses the Air Force's secret weather control programs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3gKa0z7rjM&feature=related

Documentary? I think you might be confused with the difference between a documentary and entertainment.

It starts with claims and theories but no actual evidence. And of course Will Thomas quoting an anonymous source.

Weather control, of which the Air Force maintains a small research flight of C-130s (note: prop engines, not jets) is attempted (not always successfully) via cloud seeding, which happens within established clouds. Contrails or "chemtrails" if you must, happen outside of clouds or occasionally near cirrus clouds which are not capable of rain. This video does get a little into that but note this is NOT what is usually described as "chemtrails". Cloud seeding happens WITHIN CLOUDS at low altitudes. "Chemtrails" are observed creating clouds, cirrus clouds that are not capable of rain. Of course normal contrails do the same thing.

[Duane Daman]

I see you had some time off from "work" to post some more nonsense.

But thanks for moving the videos I posted up to where they can be seen again.. It's important for people to see what's really going on.

My new name for these deadly chemtrails is "The Tic Tac Toe Game of Death".

[Matthew Lewis]

I see you had some time off from "work" to post some more nonsense.

But thanks for moving the videos I posted up to where they can be seen again.. It's important for people to see what's really going on.

My new name for these deadly chemtrails is "The Tic Tac Toe Game of Death".

What did I post that was "nonsense"? Proof please.

What is supposed to be wrong with that picture? It looks exactly as one would expect from persistent contrails formed from crossing flight paths over time.

[Duane Daman]

Every word you posted is nonsense because none of it is true.

The government and Air Force are covering up the truth about chemtrails.. They even go so far as to falsely claim that "the chemtrail conspiracy is nothing but a hoax".. But unfortunately, nothing could be further from the truth.

Government Cover-ups: Chemtrails

From the World Affairs Brief:

Joel Skousen

CHEMTRAILS: FINALLY, SOME ANSWERS

Canadian investigative reporter William Thomas has uncovered, through tenacious and prodigious research, some answers to the mysterious chemtrail issue. Chemtrails are chemical laden vapor trails dispersed at high altitudes by US military tanker aircraft and by some private aircraft under top-secret contracts with the US government. A draft version of Thomas report can be read online at http://www.nexusmagazine.com/chemtrails.html. I dont agree with everything Thomas writes or speculates about, but I will summarize his conclusions and share my analysis of what I think is well founded.

The chemtrail phenomenon has been observed for many years in different parts of the US as well as in other allied nations. These chemtrails are primarily characterized by thick trails of white vapor, which persist for long periods of time, gradually dispersing to cover wide areas of the sky. Lets review some of the major differences between these chemical vapor trails and the normal, harmless condensation trails (contrails) often emitted by aircraft. There are several critical distinguishing characteristics between these two types of emissions:

1) Chemtrails often occur at altitudes and in environmental conditions where normal contrails cannot and do not occur. According to NOAA meteorologist Thomas Schlatter, quoted in the article, At temperatures lower than approx -40 deg F contrails almost always form, regardless of relative humidity. The higher the ambient temperature, the less likely that contrails will form. At temperatures above -40 degrees F, contrails are not expected. The persistence of contrails depends upon temperature, relative humidity, and the vigor of mixing between the exhaust plume and the ambient air. At low temperatures, with high humidity, and with stable temperature stratification (which inhibits vertical mixing of the air), contrails persist for many hours." Chemtrails also occur at altitudes where contrails occur and thus the two are mixed.

2) Chemtrails persist for many hours and spread out continuously until wide areas of the sky are covered. Contrails spread out only slightly and evaporate within 10 seconds to several hours, depending on the upper air humidity and temperature. Contrails can persist under exceptional circumstances, so this is not a definitive criteria.

3) Contrails are always pure white and dont exhibit much halo effect. Chemtrails have an oily glint to them, with pronounced rainbow-like color effects (reddish or pinkish tint) as the sun shines through. Some of the best photographic evidence of chemtrails is found at http://www.carnicom.com/contrails.htm.

4) Contrails are composed of water vapor combined with a small amount of residue from burned jet fuel. Analysis of chemtrail residues, in contrast, claims to have uncovered a variety of chemicals and other substances, including barium, aluminum oxide, microscopic fibers and oil-based products, none of which are intrinsic to normal jet fuel.

5) Contrails exit directly behind the engines of the aircraft, which produce the moisture. Thus, aircraft will exhibit only 1, 2, 3, or 4 distinct condensation trails, each trailing an engine. Chemtrails, in contrast, are expelled from multiple ports along the entire wing surface, not directly in line with the engines. Once again, see the pictures on www.carnicom.com. These photos are perhaps the most definitive of all chemtrail evidence. Some debunkers use cropped photos of high-G manuevers which gives off aerodynamic condensation from the wing--as a supposed explanation to wing emitted chemtrails. But this is bogus. Aerodynamic condensation doesnt occur in straight and level flight and never leaves a long contrail. It also shows up within inches of the wing trailing edge, unlike chemtrail spraying.

6) Contrails cannot be shut on and off at will, nor abruptly, as witnesses have seen in numerous sightings of chemical spraying by aircraft. I personally have seen this type of on/off spraying in Utah by two military tankers flying in loose formation. When numerous witnesses called KSL--TV in Salt Lake City to investigate, KSL dutifully parroted the governments official response: that the aircraft was a government contractor flying a Lear jet and doing experiments on ice crystal formation. Baloney! As one of those witnesses, and an experienced pilot, I can tell you those two huge military tanker aircraft were not tiny Lear jets. The government is lying--but at least, in this case, they didnt try to outright deny what hundreds of people were watching, as they usually do. They simply tried to take advantage of public ignorance of aircraft recognition, feeding them a phony but marginally plausible excuse.

7) Aircraft dispersing chemtrails always fly back and forth over a set area, creating circular or zig-zag patterns of vapor in the sky. Often many chemtrail aircraft can be seen in one area, flying in crisscross patterns laying down vapor trails before flying off over the horizon. Large airliners operating under Air Traffic Control fly on set airways and do not make such patterns in the sky. Government representatives have tried to pass off reports of crisscross chemtrail patterns as merely the convergence of airliner contrails at normal air traffic intersections, but this is false. For one thing, almost all airways in the US run in straight lines. Neither do airliners fly in close formation with other aircraft. In addition, chemtrail sightings almost never come close to normal airway intersections, lest they interfere with normal traffic or be observed by other airline passengers.

8) All legitimate aircraft at high altitudes emitting contrails will be acknowledged by the FAA. Conversely, the existence of aircraft spraying chemicals is always denied by the FAA, under orders from the government. You can be on a cell phone, in real time, reporting the presence of an aircraft overhead to the FAA and they will tell you that no such aircraft exists on their radar screens. They are flat-out lying. Its amazing to me how many military pilots and government ATC controllers can so easily justify these lies. Surely some are aware of the damaging health effects reported on the internet. Occasionally, an honest controller will admit there is a military exercise blocked out for that area.

Many have long suspected that the government has been using these airborne chemical sprayings to test dispersal methods for mild forms of biological or chemical warfare. Indeed, chemtrail sightings have long been associated with community-wide illnesses reported in the areas of the sprayings. Thomas himself was involved in a case in Espanola, Ontario, in the spring of 1998. Residents there had been complaining of severe headaches, chronic joint pain, dizziness, sudden extreme fatigue, acute asthma attacks and feverless flu-like symptoms over a 50-square-mile area [which] coincided with what they termed months of spraying by photo-identified US Air Force tanker planes. An expert witness in the case, former Ontarion Provincial Police Officer Ted Simola, described the lingering Xs and numerous white trails, some of which just ended as if they had been shut off but remained in the sky, observations consistent with other chemtrail sightings.

On November 18, 1998, the people of Espanola petitioned Parliament, suspecting possible government involvement in these airborne chemical emissions. They called upon Parliament to repeal any law that would permit the dispersal of military chaff or of any cloud-seeding substance whatsoever by domestic or foreign military aircraft without the informed consent of the citizens of Canada thus affected. In response to their petition, the Ministry of Defense eventually replied: Its not us. The government assertion was mostly true: it was not Canadian aircraft, but US Air Force tankers which were conducting the sprayings. Yet the Canadian government was complicit in allowing the US to experiment over Canada.

Thomas did finally get an American ATC controller to talk to him, under conditions of anonymity. The controller works on the US eastern seaboard. Thomas called his contact Deep Sky. Deep Sky confirmed that the chemicals being spread in the exercises were acting as electrolytes, enhancing conductivity of radar and radio waves. Additionally, the spread of the material was actually degrading, not enhancing, ATC radars so there had to be some other purpose behind the sprayings. It is significant that many of the exercises were conducted out of Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, in Ohio, which, according to Thomas, has long been deeply engaged in HAARPs electromagnetic warfare program. HAARP is a US government radio wave project in Alaska which could be related to weather modification. HAARPs huge powerful transmitters and arrays of antennas are, according to the official website, designed to heat up the atmosphere above it. Phasing the antennas can skew the heating effect directionally, and may even interact with reflective layers of metal particles in Chemtrails. What is interesting is that HAARPs location is at the 65th parallel, just south of the arctic circle. This position corresponds to the atmospheric boundary where relatively moist southern air moving northward collides with cold arctic air coming south. When these dissimilar air mass meet they rise and form new storm systems. Heating the atmosphere directly under this boundary layer would tend to accelerate storm development. Finally, through a series of questions, Deep Sky confirmed that the US tankers were indeed involved in climate modification experiments.

At this point in the article, Thomas launches into a theory that the reflective clouds are being used to reduce the effects of global warming (Edward Tellers theory). He discusses the Welsback patent, issued in 1994 to Hughes Aircraft, [long involved in government black operations] which involves the use of a reflective blanket of aluminum-laced cloud cover to cool the earth. However, I think Thomas was fed disinformation here. The government often uses phony patents to lead investigators down the wrong trail--especially when dealing with HAARP. Global warming is a fraud. There is no way the US government would engage in this massive a cover-up and risk illness to the US population over a theory with little basis in fact and even less evidence of actual damage. Besides, government sponsored aerosol spraying has been going on before global warming became an issue.

However, the weather modification process is, in my opinion, the best explanation so far as to the widespread use of spraying. The reflective aluminum particles or fibers in the created cloud barriers cause cool spots over normally warm areas, which influence the rise or fall of air masses. These reflective layers may also react with HAARP transmissions in some way. Radio transmissions need reflective layers to channel the energy in specific directions. The creation of sun or radiation shielding may explain why spraying occurs at high altitude, during the daytime, and in cloudless areas--where the reflective shield would be visible and effective for a long time.

None of these characteristics fit a biological or chemical warfare test scenario. If the government was testing delivery methods of biological or chemical agents, it would be more likely to mix the chemicals in clouds at much lower altitudes where it would more easily precipitate downward on the population. The chemtrail sprayings always take place at high altitudes where the materials can linger or drift long distances: hardly an accurate delivery method. The sprayings are also done only in clear areas of the sky--which, again, points to weather modification.

What Im convinced of now, is that the widespread flu-like and Alzheimers symptoms have been mere side effects of the sprayed chemicals, and not the direct purpose of the sprayings. The extensive use of aluminum oxide, found as the primary component of these reflective clouds, does have serious medical side effects and may well explain the upsurge in Alzheimers disease in the US--which is reaching epidemic proportions. I think it is also clear that the government has been experimenting with different types and mixes of chemicals, which explains why the observations and effects differ over time. Several years ago, there were many sightings of sticky droplets falling from the sky, trailing spider-web-like strands behind. Upon contact they made people very ill. Later chemical analysis has shown a lot of aluminum oxide and micro fibers, also composed of barium and aluminum. People living under these spray patterns have developed Alzheimers-like symptoms.

As expected, the US continues to deny any spraying as well as any experimentation in weather modification. The media is totally complicit in this cover-up as well. The allegations have been widespread over the internet for years. Thousands of inquiries have gone out to the media over the years and not once has the major media ever done a story on this issue. The health consequences are huge. Even the politically correct environmental movement has had no luck in pressing the media for coverage. There is no way to explain the medias refusal to investigate or give coverage to this story except that they are fully aware of it and are under bogus national security orders to spike the story.

A US Air Force Colonel, according to Thomas, told a senator: The Air Force is not conducting any weather modification and has no plans to do so in the future. But as Thomas retorts, In fact, attempts to steer hurricanes by spraying heat-robbing chemicals in their paths began in the 1950s. The recipe for creating cirrus shields was outlined in an unusually arrogant US Air Force study. Subtitled, Owning the Weather by 2025, the 1996 report explained how weather force specialists were dispersing chemicals behind high-flying tanker aircraft in a process the air force calls aerial obscuration. Sounds just like what people are describing as chemtrails. Even members of Congress know about Chemtrails. The term is in the list of prohibited Space activities of Rep. Kucinich's HR 2977 Space Preservation Act. Because of the variety of different chemicals used in Chemtrails over the past 10 years and the changing patterns of spraying, Im convinced the government is still experimenting and hasnt actually found a predictable way yet to harness the weather. Sadly, this only means the secret experiments will continue and people will suffer.

http://www.worldaffairsbrief.com/keytopics/Chemtrails.shtml

Edited September 24, 2010 by Duane Daman

[Matthew Lewis]

Every word you posted is nonsense because none of it is true.

That is a provable false statement as your own source AGREES with some of what I've said.

1) Chemtrails often occur at altitudes and in environmental conditions where normal contrails cannot and do not occur. According to NOAA meteorologist Thomas Schlatter, quoted in the article, “At temperatures lower than approx -40 deg F contrails almost always form, regardless of relative humidity. The higher the ambient temperature, the less likely that contrails will form. At temperatures above -40 degrees F, contrails are not expected. The persistence of contrails depends upon temperature, relative humidity, and the vigor of mixing between the exhaust plume and the ambient air. At low temperatures, with high humidity, and with stable temperature stratification (which inhibits vertical mixing of the air), contrails persist for many hours." Chemtrails also occur at altitudes where contrails occur and thus the two are mixed.

Right here your own source says that contrails can persist for many hours.

2) Chemtrails persist for many hours and spread out continuously until wide areas of the sky are covered. Contrails spread out only slightly and evaporate within 10 seconds to several hours, depending on the upper air humidity and temperature. Contrails can persist under exceptional circumstances, so this is not a definitive criteria.

I've posted evidence showing contrails can indeed spread out, grow and cover the sky. It has been observed since airplanes could fly high enough. Your source is ignorant. YOU obviously haven't bothered to even check the evidence I've posted. Not surprising as it contradicts your predefined conclusions.

3) Contrails are always pure white and don’t exhibit much halo effect. Chemtrails have an oily glint to them, with pronounced rainbow-like color effects (reddish or pinkish tint) as the sun shines through. Some of the best photographic evidence of chemtrails is found at http://www.carnicom.com/contrails.htm.

Just how do you think rainbows are formed? They occur when light is refracted through a substance. This can happen with water, ice, or oil. It IS possbile with contrails and is even observed with normal clouds.

4) Contrails are composed of water vapor combined with a small amount of residue from burned jet fuel. Analysis of chemtrail residues, in contrast, claims to have uncovered a variety of chemicals and other substances, including barium, aluminum oxide, microscopic fibers and oil-based products, none of which are intrinsic to normal jet fuel.

Analysis of something collected ON THE GROUND is useless for determining the content of something 30,000+ feet in the air. Of course "chemtrail" theorists have said they will collect samples from within a trail for years now but never seem to actually do so. They just collect the money and run.

5) Contrails exit directly behind the engines of the aircraft, which produce the moisture. Thus, aircraft will exhibit only 1, 2, 3, or 4 distinct condensation trails, each trailing an engine. Chemtrails, in contrast, are expelled from multiple ports along the entire wing surface, not directly in line with the engines. Once again, see the pictures on www.carnicom.com. These photos are perhaps the most definitive of all chemtrail evidence. Some debunkers use cropped photos of high-G manuevers which gives off aerodynamic condensation from the wing--as a supposed explanation to wing emitted chemtrails. But this is bogus. Aerodynamic condensation doesn’t occur in straight and level flight and never leaves a long contrail. It also shows up within inches of the wing trailing edge, unlike chemtrail spraying.

EVERY photo or video I've seen showing trails not coming from the engines looks just like an aerodynamic contrail and EVERY one neglects to show whether it is persisting or not. Aerodynamic contrails DO sometimes form in straight and level flight. Their formation depends on temperature and humidity. Your source is lying to you and you are eating it up without question.

6) Contrails cannot be shut on and off at will, nor abruptly, as witnesses have seen in numerous sightings of chemical spraying by aircraft. I personally have seen this type of on/off spraying in Utah by two military tankers flying in loose formation. When numerous witnesses called KSL--TV in Salt Lake City to investigate, KSL dutifully parroted the government’s official response: that the aircraft was a government contractor flying a Lear jet and doing experiments on ice crystal formation. Baloney! As one of those witnesses, and an experienced pilot, I can tell you those two huge military tanker aircraft were not tiny Lear jets. The government is lying--but at least, in this case, they didn’t try to outright deny what hundreds of people were watching, as they usually do. They simply tried to take advantage of public ignorance of aircraft recognition, feeding them a phony but marginally plausible excuse.

Contrail formation as you should know depends on temperature and humidity. All air is NOT uniform. It is entirely possible that a plane traveling through masses of air with varying humidity will have contrails that start and stop. This is simple science that has been known for 70 years.

7) Aircraft dispersing chemtrails always fly back and forth over a set area, creating circular or zig-zag patterns of vapor in the sky. Often many chemtrail aircraft can be seen in one area, flying in crisscross patterns laying down vapor trails before flying off over the horizon. Large airliners operating under Air Traffic Control fly on set airways and do not make such patterns in the sky. Government representatives have tried to pass off reports of crisscross chemtrail patterns as merely the convergence of airliner contrails at normal air traffic intersections, but this is false. For one thing, almost all airways in the US run in straight lines. Neither do airliners fly in close formation with other aircraft. In addition, chemtrail sightings almost never come close to normal airway intersections, lest they interfere with normal traffic or be observed by other airline passengers.

All total BS. I have looked and looked for evidence of ANY aircraft traveling back and forth creating trails and have found none. Many claim it but none ever get video proof.

Yes airways travel in straight lines but they do intersect. Common sense would tell you they HAVE to at some time. Airliners that appear to be in close formation are likely separated in altitude. Only 1,000 feet of vertical separation is required. It is IMPOSSIBLE to tell the altitude of an aircraft from the ground with the naked eye. Also BS that persistent contrail aircraft don't come close to other aircraft as there are video on Youtube (your favorite pseudo-source) that show exactly that.

8) All legitimate aircraft at high altitudes emitting contrails will be acknowledged by the FAA. Conversely, the existence of aircraft spraying chemicals is always denied by the FAA, under orders from the government. You can be on a cell phone, in real time, reporting the presence of an aircraft overhead to the FAA and they will tell you that no such aircraft exists on their radar screens. They are flat-out lying. It’s amazing to me how many military pilots and government ATC controllers can so easily justify these lies. Surely some are aware of the damaging health effects reported on the internet. Occasionally, an honest controller will admit there is a “military exercise” blocked out for that area.

I have personally checked the aircraft I've seen emitting persistent contrails with online tracking programs like Flight Aware and Flight Explorer. As I work with radar I've also checked them on the current radar picture. The comment about military exercises reminds me of the area I currently live in. Due to the multiple military owned airspaces over water and land around Panama City the vast majority of commercial traffic is routed around this area. As a result, there are very few contrails, persistent or not. If there is really a program designed to spray for what ever the reason of the week is, why not spray here? There is no restriction of military traffic. It wouldn't even be questioned. Even the occasional commercial traffic does come through. What is seen however, is when the military airspace is not active and more commercial traffic is traversing the area, persistent contrails, or "chemtrails", are only seen when the atmospheric conditions are conducive to contrail formation. Go figure.

Edited September 24, 2010 by Matthew Lewis

[Matthew Lewis]

Many have long suspected that the government has been using these airborne chemical sprayings to test dispersal methods for mild forms of biological or chemical warfare. Indeed, chemtrail sightings have long been associated with community-wide illnesses reported in the areas of the sprayings. Thomas himself was involved in a case in Espanola, Ontario, in the spring of 1998. Residents there had been complaining of “severe headaches, chronic joint pain, dizziness, sudden extreme fatigue, acute asthma attacks and feverless ‘flu-like’ symptoms over a 50-square-mile area [which] coincided with what they termed ‘months of spraying’ by photo-identified US Air Force tanker planes.” An expert witness in the case, former Ontarion Provincial Police Officer Ted Simola, described the “lingering Xs and numerous white trails, some of which ‘just ended’ as if they had been shut off but remained in the sky,” observations consistent with other chemtrail sightings.

On November 18, 1998, the people of Espanola petitioned Parliament, suspecting possible government involvement in these airborne chemical emissions. They called upon Parliament to “repeal any law that would permit the dispersal of military chaff or of any cloud-seeding substance whatsoever by domestic or foreign military aircraft without the informed consent of the citizens of Canada thus affected.” In response to their petition, the Ministry of Defense eventually replied: “It’s not us.” The government assertion was mostly true: it was not Canadian aircraft, but US Air Force tankers which were conducting the sprayings. Yet the Canadian government was complicit in allowing the US to experiment over Canada.

It is absolutely absurd to think that something sprayed at 30,000+ feet would affect someone on the ground especially while still visible in the sky. EVERY study conducted on airborne aerosols shows they take days if not weeks to reach the ground. After that much time the concentration of any substance would be so low as to be virtually undetectable. Anything organic would have long since been destroyed by the prolonged exposure to UV rays.

Thomas did finally get an American ATC controller to talk to him, under conditions of anonymity. The controller works on the US eastern seaboard. Thomas called his contact “Deep Sky.” Deep Sky confirmed that the chemicals being spread in the exercises were acting as electrolytes, enhancing conductivity of radar and radio waves. Additionally, the spread of the material was actually degrading, not enhancing, ATC radars – so there had to be some other purpose behind the sprayings. It is significant that many of the exercises were conducted out of Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, in Ohio, which, according to Thomas, “has long been deeply engaged in HAARP’s electromagnetic warfare program.” HAARP is a US government radio wave project in Alaska which could be related to weather modification. HAARP’s huge powerful transmitters and arrays of antennas are, according to the official website, designed to heat up the atmosphere above it. Phasing the antennas can skew the heating effect directionally, and may even interact with reflective layers of metal particles in Chemtrails. What is interesting is that HAARP’s location is at the 65th parallel, just south of the arctic circle. This position corresponds to the atmospheric boundary where relatively moist southern air moving northward collides with cold arctic air coming south. When these dissimilar air mass meet they rise and form new storm systems. Heating the atmosphere directly under this boundary layer would tend to accelerate storm development. Finally, through a series of questions, Deep Sky confirmed that the US tankers were indeed involved in climate modification experiments.

Ignorant word salad about radar and HAARP from anonymous sources.

Not surprising that you eat it up.

At this point in the article, Thomas launches into a theory that the reflective clouds are being used to reduce the effects of global warming (Edward Teller’s theory). He discusses the Welsback patent, issued in 1994 to Hughes Aircraft, [long involved in government black operations] which involves the use of a reflective blanket of aluminum-laced cloud cover to cool the earth. However, I think Thomas was fed disinformation here. The government often uses phony patents to lead investigators down the wrong trail--especially when dealing with HAARP. Global warming is a fraud. There is no way the US government would engage in this massive a cover-up and risk illness to the US population over a theory with little basis in fact and even less evidence of actual damage. Besides, government sponsored aerosol spraying has been going on before global warming became an issue.

However, the weather modification process is, in my opinion, the best explanation so far as to the widespread use of spraying. The reflective aluminum particles or fibers in the created cloud barriers cause cool spots over normally warm areas, which influence the rise or fall of air masses. These reflective layers may also react with HAARP transmissions in some way. Radio transmissions need reflective layers to channel the energy in specific directions. The creation of sun or radiation shielding may explain why spraying occurs at high altitude, during the daytime, and in cloudless areas--where the reflective shield would be visible and effective for a long time.

None of these characteristics fit a biological or chemical warfare test scenario. If the government was testing delivery methods of biological or chemical agents, it would be more likely to mix the chemicals in clouds at much lower altitudes where it would more easily precipitate downward on the population. The chemtrail sprayings always take place at high altitudes where the materials can linger or drift long distances: hardly an accurate delivery method. The sprayings are also done only in clear areas of the sky--which, again, points to weather modification.

What I’m convinced of now, is that the widespread flu-like and Alzheimer’s symptoms have been mere side effects of the sprayed chemicals, and not the direct purpose of the sprayings. The extensive use of aluminum oxide, found as the primary component of these reflective clouds, does have serious medical side effects and may well explain the upsurge in Alzheimer’s disease in the US--which is reaching epidemic proportions. I think it is also clear that the government has been experimenting with different types and mixes of chemicals, which explains why the observations and effects differ over time. Several years ago, there were many sightings of sticky droplets falling from the sky, trailing spider-web-like strands behind. Upon contact they made people very ill. Later chemical analysis has shown a lot of aluminum oxide and micro fibers, also composed of barium and aluminum. People living under these spray patterns have developed Alzheimer’s-like symptoms.

As expected, the US continues to deny any spraying as well as any experimentation in weather modification. The media is totally complicit in this cover-up as well. The allegations have been widespread over the internet for years. Thousands of inquiries have gone out to the media over the years and not once has the major media ever done a story on this issue. The health consequences are huge. Even the politically correct environmental movement has had no luck in pressing the media for coverage. There is no way to explain the media’s refusal to investigate or give coverage to this story except that they are fully aware of it and are under bogus “national security” orders to spike the story.

Lots of claims, no actual proof. Yet the conspiracy theorists treat it as fact.

A US Air Force Colonel, according to Thomas, told a senator: “The Air Force is not conducting any weather modification and has no plans to do so in the future.” But as Thomas retorts, “In fact, attempts to steer hurricanes by spraying heat-robbing chemicals in their paths began in the 1950s. The recipe for creating ‘cirrus shields’ was outlined in an unusually arrogant US Air Force study. Subtitled, ‘Owning the Weather by 2025,’ the 1996 report explained how weather force specialists were dispersing chemicals behind high-flying tanker aircraft in a process the air force calls ‘aerial obscuration.’” Sounds just like what people are describing as chemtrails. Even members of Congress know about Chemtrails. The term is in the list of prohibited Space activities of Rep. Kucinich's HR 2977 “Space Preservation Act.” Because of the variety of different chemicals used in Chemtrails over the past 10 years and the changing patterns of spraying, I’m convinced the government is still experimenting and hasn’t actually found a predictable way yet to harness the weather. Sadly, this only means the secret experiments will continue and people will suffer.

I've already mentioned "Owning the Weather". Actually quite a humorous STUDENT project. Hilarious that people take it serious. Of course they've probably never actually read the whole thing.

And Kucinich's Space Preservation Act? Read this,

http://contrailscience.com/kucinich-chemtrails-and-hr-2977/

It was NOT written by Kucinich, and it described "chemtrails" as a SPACE based weapon. This is at odds with everything you've tried to present. It was written by UFO enthusiasts who wanted to

1.Nullify a vast conspiracy by the “military-industrial complex”

2.Allow the use of suppressed alien technology for free energy

3.Avoid accidentally shooting down (or scaring away) visiting aliens.

Are those really the type of people you want to throw your hat in with?

In the end, you've got your "sources", I've got 70+ years of science. Perhaps we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Edited September 24, 2010 by Matthew Lewis

[Duane Daman]

Considering the fact that you're in the Air Force, and therefore possibly part of the cover up, your constant disinformation concerning chemtrails comes as no surprise.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVZAChMUa0Y&feature=related

--"As this "event" gets closer, we are seeing a sharp increase in what I can only call disinformation. I think that the expected curve of public awareness was carefully calculated, with the conclusion that not enough people would wake up to what is happening before it was too late. However, with the explosive growth of the Internet chemtrail awareness is reaching "critical mass" much too soon. There are now too many people who can say, "We know what you are doing, and when this is all over you will pay." At the same time a significant disinformation campaign is underway here and in Europe to prevent this, and keep as many people as possible confused about what is really happening."

"50 USC [u.S. Code], Sec. 1520 Jan. 16, 1996 TITLE 50 - WAR AND NATIONAL DEFENSE CHAPTER 32 - CHEMICAL AND BIOLOGICAL WARFARE PROGRAM Sec. 1520:

Use of human subjects for testing of chemical or biological agents by Department of Defense; accounting to Congressional committees with respect to experiments and studies; notification of local civilian officials."

"The strange-looking streaks in the sky aren't your imagination. They are anti-bacteriological warfare chemicals being tested by the federal government. And the public has been kept in the dark."

"The debunkers are silenced -- This is important new proof of the chemtrail spraying effort. It now appears that no matter where you live, you can see the tiny "micro-filaments" when viewed under a simple black-light! Confirmation from all over the U.S. has them clinging to clothes, skin, plants, you name it. They're everywhere."

"Nobody knows, for sure, just yet. Chemtrails appear, at first, to be regular airplane contrails, thin lines of wispy white vapour that follow a jet,s path. But, whereas contrails usually fade within a few minutes of an airplane,s passing, chemtrails diffuse and spread over the sky. Chemtrails have been reported in hundreds of North American cities over the past two years, and, most alarmingly, they appear to cause respiratory illnesses in those with weakened immune systems."

The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing." -

-- Albert Einstein

[Matthew Lewis]

Yet more disinfo from Duane based on the LIE that contrails can't persist.

EVERYTHING I've posted is based on facts.

Again, In the end, you've got your "sources", I've got 70+ years of science. Perhaps we'll just have to agree to disagree. This constant back and forth is a waste of both our time. And frankly I'm sick of your insinuations that I'm involved in some coverup. I post what I do based on personal research. Any proof otherwise? No? Then drop it.

[Duane Daman]

So I guess you're not at "work" today either?

NOTHING you've posted about chemtrails is based on facts .. What you post is called DISINFORMATION.

If you want to agree to disagree with me and the other people who are investigating chemtrails, that's fine .. All you need to do is to STOP reply to my posts about them.

But if you think I will stop posting the information about them here, just because you don't like it, then you're sadly mistaken.

[Matthew Lewis]

So I guess you're not at "work" today either?

NOTHING you've posted about chemtrails is based on facts .. What you post is called DISINFORMATION.

If you want to agree to disagree with me and the other people who are investigating chemtrails, that's fine .. All you need to do is to STOP reply to my posts about them.

But if you think I will stop posting the information about them here, just because you don't like it, then you're sadly mistaken.

You have yet to prove ANY disinformation. I have already posted some about the 70+ years of science behind contrail formation as well as multiple examples of persistent contrails dating back to the beginning of jet aviation, long before "chemtrail" proponents say they started.

As for being at work, again, it is none of your business but am I not allowed to have a lunch break?