David Josephs a question for you

[Cliff Varnell]

According to the immutable unbendable laws of light and shadow the Betzner photo MUST

show two measurable artifacts: the 1/2" of exposed shirt collar, and the 1/8" return

of the Towner/Croft fold.

Among these two horizontal artifacts there MUST be four distinct features:

1) The upper margin of the shirt collar.

2) The lower margin of the shirt collar.

3) The upper margin of the Towner/Croft fold return.

4) The lower margin of the Towner/Croft fold return.

According to Craig Lamson 2), 3), and 4) are all the same line, no

distinction whatsoever!

Hack.

Edited July 13, 2010 by Cliff Varnell

[Craig Lamson]

According to the immutable unbendable laws of light and shadow the Betzner photo MUST

show two measurable artifacts: the 1/2" of exposed shirt collar, and the 1/8" return

of the Towner/Croft fold.

Among these two horizontal artifacts there MUST be four distinct features:

1) The upper margin of the shirt collar.

2) The lower margin of the shirt collar.

3) The upper margin of the Towner/Croft fold return.

4) The lower margin of the Towner/Croft fold return.

According to Craig Lamson 2), 3), and 4) are all the same line, no

distinction whatsoever!

Hack.

LOL Funny...Try again Varnell.

Just to TRY and keep you honest ( which is darn near impossible) The graphic CLEARLY shows the upper and lower margains of the highlight on the top edge of the horizontal fold. Can you understand? I thought not. Cue Varnell's head exploding in a bloody mess.

You have stipulated that your so called fold is nothing more than the natural shadow line of the shoulder (your greeen line) and the shadow cast by the left corner of the large horizontal fold (your red line).

So tell us HOW your arrangement of fabric produces the dark artifact seen in Betzner. The QUESTION VARNELL CAN'T ANSWER! And it will NEVER go away.

40 more pages showing Varnell's ignorance here we come! Life is sweet!

Edited July 13, 2010 by Craig Lamson

[Cliff Varnell]

Craig,

Will you prepare a graphic with 4 arrows which point to the following:

1) The upper margin of the 1/2" shirt collar.

2) The lower margin of the 1/2" shirt collar.

3) The upper margin of the 1/8" Towner/Croft fold return.

4) The lower margin of the 1/8" Towner/Croft fold return.

Your current analysis has one thick line to represent 2), 3), and 4).

If you understood the unbendable laws of light and shadow you'd know that

all 4 of these horizontal features in Betzner MUST be distinct from

one another. This is unimpeachable.

One line for 3 features is very far from distinct.

Thanks in advance. If you want an idea of how to do it, consider the following:

Edited July 13, 2010 by Cliff Varnell

[Craig Lamson]

Nope, My graphic PERFECTLY illustrates the upper and lower margins of the highlight on the top of the fold. If you can't understand it, thats NOT my problem. Your lack of reasoning skills does not an objection make.

However, you have yet to deal direclty with this:

[Chris Davidson]

If it helps, one way or the other!!!

Please watch JFK's back through the entire video.

A few pictures, also.

www.denisedavidson.info

chris

[Cliff Varnell]

Nope, My graphic PERFECTLY illustrates the upper and lower margins of the highlight on the top of the fold.

Please point out the following four distinct horizontal features which the unbendable,

immutable, irrefutable, unimpeachable laws of light and shadow dictate MUST be readily visible

in the Betzner photo:

1) The upper margin of the the shirt collar.

2) The lower margin of the shirt collar.

3) The upper margin of the Towner/Croft fold return.

4) The lower margin of the Towner/Croft fold return.

None of your graphics point to these features which MUST appear in Betzner.

Craig, you may be the only person on the planet who thinks one line on

a photograph is supposed to represent three distinct features.

Thanks in advance.

Edited July 13, 2010 by Cliff Varnell

[Craig Lamson]

Nope, My graphic PERFECTLY illustrates the upper and lower margins of the highlight on the top of the fold.

Please point out the following four distinct horizontal features which the unbendable,

immutable, irrefutable, unimpeachable laws of light and shadow dictate MUST be readily visible

in the Betzner photo:

1) The upper margin of the the shirt collar.

2) The lower margin of the shirt collar.

3) The upper margin of the Towner/Croft fold return.

4) The lower margin of the Towner/Croft fold return.

None of your graphics point to these features which MUST appear in Betzner.

Craig, you may be the only person on the planet who thinks one line on

a photograph is supposed to represent three distinct features.

Thanks in advance.

Nope. Maybe if you catch up on the requests YOU have failed to honor it might be a different story.

[Craig Lamson]

If it helps, one way or the other!!!

Please watch JFK's back through the entire video.

A few pictures, also.

www.denisedavidson.info

chris

Thank you. Too bad the sun position is wrong.

In any case it does little to deal with what is seen in Betzner. Some arrangement of fabric created the dark artifact seen in Betzner. And it must comply with the3 unbending demands of light shadow and angle of incidecne. The only arrangement that fits is a large horizontal fold.

[Cliff Varnell]

Some arrangement of fabric created the dark artifact seen in Betzner.

Yes, the fabric indented when JFK turned his head to the right and began waving

his right arm circa Z172.

Fabric indents when it "bunches."

Of course, one must have a functional understanding of what it means to "bunch" fabric,

an understanding Craig Lamson has yet to betray.

Here's JFK on Main St., same posture as in Betzner, similar indentation in the

back of the jacket.

[Cliff Varnell]

Nope, My graphic PERFECTLY illustrates the upper and lower margins of the highlight on the top of the fold.

Please point out the following four distinct horizontal features which the unbendable,

immutable, irrefutable, unimpeachable laws of light and shadow dictate MUST be readily visible

in the Betzner photo:

1) The upper margin of the the shirt collar.

2) The lower margin of the shirt collar.

3) The upper margin of the Towner/Croft fold return.

4) The lower margin of the Towner/Croft fold return.

None of your graphics point to these features which MUST appear in Betzner.

Craig, you may be the only person on the planet who thinks one line on

a photograph is supposed to represent three distinct features.

Thanks in advance.

Nope.

Of course not. Since no such horizontal artifact exists in that location, you cannot point

to the upper and lower margins of it.

You can't show us what 3+" of bunched up shirt and jacket fabric look like, and you can't

identify the very features YOU insist MUST be there.

Pretty much wraps it up.

Edited July 14, 2010 by Cliff Varnell

[Craig Lamson]

LOL Silly Boy cliffy....

THIS is what TOTALLY wraps it up for Varnells stupid claims and the very silly Varnell Magic GROWING Fantasy Fold! Say goodnight cliffy!

Edited July 14, 2010 by Craig Lamson

[Craig Lamson]

Some arrangement of fabric created the dark artifact seen in Betzner.

Yes, the fabric indented when JFK turned his head to the right and began waving

his right arm circa Z172.

Fabric indents when it "bunches."

Of course, one must have a functional understanding of what it means to "bunch" fabric,

an understanding Craig Lamson has yet to betray.

Here's JFK on Main St., same posture as in Betzner, similar indentation in the

back of the jacket.

Well cliffy thanks for that. It proves your theory false. DO you have the mental capacity to understand exactly WHY? Of course not. All you really know is how to flop cards. When it comes to understanding something as simple as how the SUN works, cliffy is completey out of his depth.

Bu thanks for posting an image that finally ends this for you. Because your FANTASY INDENTATION can't produce the artifact seen in Betzner. Its totally against the unbendable natural laws of light, shadow and ANGLE OF INCIDENCE.

Its game, set and match and cliffy is toast.

Edited July 14, 2010 by Craig Lamson

[Cliff Varnell]

If it helps, one way or the other!!!

Chris,

This discussion between Craig Lamson and myself isn't about the Kennedy assassination

so much as it is about Mr. Lamson's participation in a political movement in the USA that seeks to politicize everything, spin everything to suit their loony right-wing world view.

From labeling the moderate Republican policies of Barack Milhous Obama "Socialist",

to putting sympathetic portrayals of Joe McCarthy in Texas schoolbooks, to crafting

specious claims of super-bunched fabric on the back of JFK, Palinites like Craig

conduct constant propaganda campaigns to put history and current events in a right-wing

Republican frame.

Craig knows there's no massive bunch on JFK's back in Betzner. He knows the

glare off the shirt collar occluded the jacket collar and the shadow area below

the collar was created when the fabric there indented.

But to admit that would be to give in politically, something Craig will never do.

Me, I get a kick out of watching right-wingers make spectacles of themselves.

Edited July 14, 2010 by Cliff Varnell

[Craig Lamson]

Well Cliff you DID got one thing right, this is not about the Kennedy assassination, its about ONE PHOTO. Politics can't change how the sun works. Political spin can't change how a shadow works. Left wing zelots such as yourself can't change how angle of incidence works, though given how badly it has screwed with YOUR woldview I'm sure that you wish you could.

And your ignorance can't change the fact that there was a 3+ inch fold of fabric on JFK's back in Betzner. Inimpeachable. Now the fact this destroys your long held worldview, that is a real bonus.

Spectacles..Why that would be you cliffy... Pimping a false claim for a decade? Now THATS a spectacle!

But hey you just made yet another claim you can't backup.

So a GLARE from shirt collar occluded the jacket collar.

There are quire a few shirt collars visable in Betzner. In the same lighting. So prove your new silly theory works. Show us more occluded jacket collars! Now THIS is a spectacle!

Of course the problem with the Varnell Magic Collar Glare Fantasy is that the jacket collar is obscured at the point where the shadow of the neck is cast over the shirt collar, the jacket collar and the jacket back. The large horizontal fold obscures it. That is unimpeachable fact.

The spectacle of course is cliffy varnell, poker dealer, does not have the first clue about the subject he attemtds to argue. His incompetence and ignorance are the ture spectacle.

I do so enjoy watching such stupidity on parade. I can go on for years...

The spectacle that is Varnell and his Fantasy Fold Theory.

Edited July 14, 2010 by Craig Lamson

[Cliff Varnell]

Well Cliff you DID got one thing right, this is not about the Kennedy assassination, its about ONE PHOTO. Politics can't change how the sun works. Political spin can't change how a shadow works.

Gentle reader, isn't that a fine collection of non sequiturs Craig has compiled

above?

None of Craig's work has anything to do with bunched fabric. Craig doesn't betray any hint

that he understands fabric bunch at all.

Craig, your right-wing lunacy can't make 3+" of shirt and jacket fabric bunch up,

nor can it identify the 4 distinct horizontal features which the unbendable

laws of light and shadow dictate MUST appear in Betzner according to your own analysis.

None of your proof of concept photos shows bunched fabric; none of your desperately drawn lines point out the 4 distinct horizontal features you CONCEDE must be

present.

The bottom margin of the shirt collar and the top and bottom margins of the Towner/Croft fold return

are all ONE horizontal feature according to Craig Lamson, in spite of his stipulation to

the fact that all three MUST be distinct features!

Thanks for providing the comic relief we need in these difficult days, Craig!

Edited July 14, 2010 by Cliff Varnell