John Dolva Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 Stop playing games, Cliff (or don't, WGAS) ________ .I'm sure there is a diagram of Kennedys head dimensions somewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Lamson Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 Yeah, so?(Craig). I don't care Cliff. You asked me for an answer. I'm trying to give it. Well John, thats my method, but I will be happy to see the results of yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dolva Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 OK, Craig. I'm actually not disagreeing with you. I'm just coming at it (without KNOWING the results) from a different direction. I wager on finding an agreement, but that's all for now. I'm not going to be in a position where I tell anyone how things are. I wish it to become clear once and for all. I wish that, that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted July 28, 2010 Author Share Posted July 28, 2010 Stop playing games, Cliff (or don't, WGAS) ________ .I'm sure there is a diagram of Kennedys head dimensions somewhere John, I don't see how I'm playing games with you, at all. Here's another way to measure it -- the distance from the top of the shirt collar to the bottom of the jacket collar is 1.75". According to Craig Lamson the fold is roughly twice the size of the shirt/jacket collars. Is that what you see? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dolva Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 Ok, Cliff you do it your way. If you want MY answer at some time let me know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted July 28, 2010 Author Share Posted July 28, 2010 Ok, Cliff you do it your way. If you want MY answer at some time let me know. John. You made a statement that there appeared to be 2.5" inches of fabric bunched up at the nape of JFK's neck in the Towner photo. You must have based that assessment on something, and all I'm asking is what that something was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean Hagerman Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 When do yo plan on answering the question? So jim, What kind of fabric arrangement caused the dark artifact seen in Betzner? Jim, don't bother. Craig can't address the topic of the thread. The Towner photo is like garlic before a vampire to Craig. Craig can't refute the information in this photograph, in which John F. Kennedy demonstrates the kind of fabric arrangement which created shadow below his collar-line. Please note that JFK's posture in this photo is very similar to Betzner. Craig Lamson is a fraud. That picture is perfect Cliff! It shows the artifact in Betzner and JFK is in a simalar position in Betzner I back you 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Lamson Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 That picture is perfect Cliff! It shows the artifact in Betzner and JFK is in a simalar position in Betzner I back you 100% Sorry deano, you don't just get to wave your hands like cliffy, you have to PROVE your statements. So show us how it "fits" given the lighting as seen in Betzner. This is not rocket science, I'm guessing even you can do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted July 28, 2010 Author Share Posted July 28, 2010 When do yo plan on answering the question? So jim, What kind of fabric arrangement caused the dark artifact seen in Betzner? Jim, don't bother. Craig can't address the topic of the thread. The Towner photo is like garlic before a vampire to Craig. Craig can't refute the information in this photograph, in which John F. Kennedy demonstrates the kind of fabric arrangement which created shadow below his collar-line. Please note that JFK's posture in this photo is very similar to Betzner. Craig Lamson is a fraud. That picture is perfect Cliff! It shows the artifact in Betzner and JFK is in a simalar position in Betzner I back you 100% Thank you, Dean! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Lamson Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 Thank you, Dean! Ah..ignorance on display! Poor deano and cliffy, just don't understand how something as simple as the SUN works. Within them ignorance appear to have run amuck. They postulate an arrangement of fabric that is totally at odds with the angle of incidence of the sun and JFK's body as seen in Betzner. I wonder if cliffy can even quite the correct angles for the gentle readers? Can you cliffy? Can you deano? Inquiring minds really want to know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted July 28, 2010 Author Share Posted July 28, 2010 (edited) It's worth a look again. JFK on Main St., turned to the right and waving his right arm, and then Betzner. Same posture, very similar indentation of fabric. Edited July 28, 2010 by Cliff Varnell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dolva Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 A: 1. What length was Kennedys ear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Lamson Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 It's worth a look again. JFK on Main St., turned to the right and waving his right arm, and then Betzner. Same posture, very similar indentation of fabric. Yes it IS worth a look again...TOTALLY DIFFERENT LIGHTING ANGLE... Once again cliffy is toast... Which once again begs the question VArnell can't answer... Poor deano and cliffy, just don't understand how something as simple as the SUN works. Within them ignorance appear to have run amuck. They postulate an arrangement of fabric that is totally at odds with the angle of incidence of the sun and JFK's body as seen in Betzner. I wonder if cliffy can even quite the correct angles for the gentle readers? Can you cliffy? Can you deano? Inquiring minds really want to know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted July 28, 2010 Author Share Posted July 28, 2010 A: 1. What length was Kennedys ear? Can't tell you. I can only tell you the measurement of the collars. Conclude first, research later? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Lamson Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 Conclude first, research later? Why not, you have been doing it for years.... BTW, what were those sun angles in Betzner again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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