Dean Hagerman Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 Craig answer me this How could the fold/bunching increase so much over the very short time frame between Towner and Betzer? If you can answer that question then I will play ball and try to re-create what we see in Betzner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Lamson Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 Craig answer me this How could the fold/bunching increase so much over the very short time frame between Towner and Betzer? If you can answer that question then I will play ball and try to re-create what we see in Betzner It did not increase. There is a 3+inch fold of fabric in Towner, Croft and Betzner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean Hagerman Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 Craig answer me this How could the fold/bunching increase so much over the very short time frame between Towner and Betzer? If you can answer that question then I will play ball and try to re-create what we see in Betzner It did not increase. There is a 3+inch fold of fabric in Towner, Croft and Betzner. No way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Lamson Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 (edited) No way Yes way, its the SAME fold in all three images. Are you really this blind? Edited July 28, 2010 by Craig Lamson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean Hagerman Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 That cant be 3+ inches in Towner and Croft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Lamson Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 (edited) That cant be 3+ inches in Towner and Croft Sure it can. The fold is as large as the jacket collar in all three images....3+ inches of fabric in the fold. Edited July 28, 2010 by Craig Lamson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean Hagerman Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 That cant be 3+ inches in Towner and Croft Sure it can. The fold is as large as the jacket collar in all three images....3+ inches of fabric in the fold. No way Are you looking at different pictures Craig? How could you come to the conclusion of 3+ inches of fold belowthe jacket collar? There is no way thats 3+ inches of fabric fold Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted July 28, 2010 Author Share Posted July 28, 2010 That cant be 3+ inches in Towner and Croft Sure it can. The fold is as large as the jacket collar in all three images....3+ inches of fabric in the fold. No way Are you looking at different pictures Craig? How could you come to the conclusion of 3+ inches of fold belowthe jacket collar? There is no way thats 3+ inches of fabric fold Craig Which is why Craig can't replicate it. He can't find it in any of the Elm St. photos, so he bald-face prevaricates about it in Betzner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Lamson Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 That cant be 3+ inches in Towner and Croft Sure it can. The fold is as large as the jacket collar in all three images....3+ inches of fabric in the fold. No way Are you looking at different pictures Craig? How could you come to the conclusion of 3+ inches of fold belowthe jacket collar? There is no way thats 3+ inches of fabric fold Craig I see you are visually and math impaired. In all the images the top of the fold extends above the jacket collar. The jacket collar is 1.25inches. 2 times 1.25" equals 2.5' of fabric (both sides of the fold). There is a return at the the bottom and top of the fold (where he fabric actually creases)>I measured a number of such creases and the smallest I recorded was .25" .25" times 2 equals .5" 2.5" plus .5" equals 3"...add uncertanity and you get 3 + inches of fabrinc in each fold. See how easy that is deano... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Lamson Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 (edited) This is really simple for both deano and cliffy. Simply produce a fabric arrangement that can produce the Betzner artifact ...other than a 3+ inch fold of fabric AND prove it works in the lighting found in Betzner or you lose. Its as simple as that. Of course cliffy won't do it because he knows his fold will not work. He just tells falsehoods to the readers instead, The image that makes cliffy's head explode... Edited July 28, 2010 by Craig Lamson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean Hagerman Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 That cant be 3+ inches in Towner and Croft Sure it can. The fold is as large as the jacket collar in all three images....3+ inches of fabric in the fold. No way Are you looking at different pictures Craig? How could you come to the conclusion of 3+ inches of fold belowthe jacket collar? There is no way thats 3+ inches of fabric fold Craig I see you are visually and math impaired. In all the images the top of the fold extends above the jacket collar. The jacket collar is 1.25inches. 2 times 1.25" equals 2.5' of fabric (both sides of the fold). There is a return at the the bottom and top of the fold (where he fabric actually creases)>I measured a number of such creases and the smallest I recorded was .25" .25" times 2 equals .5" 2.5" plus .5" equals 3"...add uncertanity and you get 3 + inches of fabrinc in each fold. See how easy that is deano... All the math in the world cant make that 3+ inch fold a reality Craig My eyesight and math are in good working order Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Lamson Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 All the math in the world cant make that 3+ inch fold a reality Craig My eyesight and math are in good working order Sure it can..The math is perfect and the fold is larger than then jacket collar. But you don't just get to wave your hands deano..prove your statement please. deano is once again boxed into a corner wiht no way out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted July 28, 2010 Author Share Posted July 28, 2010 That cant be 3+ inches in Towner and Croft Sure it can. The fold is as large as the jacket collar in all three images....3+ inches of fabric in the fold. No way Are you looking at different pictures Craig? How could you come to the conclusion of 3+ inches of fold belowthe jacket collar? There is no way thats 3+ inches of fabric fold Craig I see you are visually and math impaired. In all the images the top of the fold extends above the jacket collar. The jacket collar is 1.25inches. 2 times 1.25" equals 2.5' of fabric (both sides of the fold). There is a return at the the bottom and top of the fold (where he fabric actually creases)>I measured a number of such creases and the smallest I recorded was .25" .25" times 2 equals .5" 2.5" plus .5" equals 3"...add uncertanity and you get 3 + inches of fabrinc in each fold. See how easy that is deano... All the math in the world cant make that 3+ inch fold a reality Craig My eyesight and math are in good working order Craig's eyesight is hampered by right-wing, Kennedy-hating zealotry. So it goes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Lamson Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 cliffy's failed arguement is wrapped up in a warped and decades old worldview. Which brings us back to the thing cliffy just can't do... Produce a fabric arrangement that can produce the Betzner artifact ...other than a 3+ inch fold of fabric AND prove it works in the lighting found in Betzner or you lose. Its as simple as that. And so it goes...cliffy still is the loser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted July 29, 2010 Author Share Posted July 29, 2010 One more question, John. How could the jacket collar rest at its normal place at the base of the neck if there was a wad of shirt and jacket fabric bunched up entirely above the base of the neck? How does that work? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, and so far no one has shown us what this scenario looks like. On the face it's contrary to the nature of reality. Maybe you can pull it off, John. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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