Cliff Varnell Posted July 29, 2010 Author Share Posted July 29, 2010 (edited) delete Edited July 29, 2010 by Cliff Varnell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Lamson Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 One more question, John. How could the jacket collar rest at its normal place at the base of the neck if there was a wad of shirt and jacket fabric bunched up entirely above the base of the neck? Just how hard for you is this cliffy.... Your silly ...decade old...and unproven claim is busted. The jacket did not drop. There is no varnell magic growing fold/indentaion that creates the artifact seen in Betzner. Varnell is simply wrong...as he has been for the last ten years. The unimpeachable truth destroys him. There is a 3+ inch fold of fabric on JFK'sback in Betzner. Varnell can't show us ANY other arrangement of fabric that can produce the artifact seen in Betzner and still obey the lighting seen in Betzner. Ask him to prove his claim. All he needs to do is take a picture. Hard facts destroy him.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted July 29, 2010 Author Share Posted July 29, 2010 I love this. In the Towner and Croft photos the top of the fold is clearly below the the top of the jacket collar. In Betzner there is no horizontal artifact with distinct upper and lower margins which Craig concedes MUST be directly under the shirt collar where his blue line is. But no such artifact exists where Craig's blue line is. Thank you for the self-immolation, Craig! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 Crop from Martin Hinrichs Towner Life Magazine 1967 Scan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 Martin Hinrichs Towner Life Magazine 1967 Scan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 (edited) Martin Hinrichs Towner Life Magazine 1967 Scan. Click on image to view full size: Edited July 29, 2010 by Robin Unger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Lamson Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 (edited) Utter nonsense from the master of utter nonsense Cliff Varnell. Towner, Croft and Betzner clearly show the fold exceeds the top of the jacket collar. Thanks for the continued clownish claims Varnell. It's simple to prove. Of course...IF HE COULD...Varnell can refute this by producing his own proof of concept photos showing ANY other arrangement of fabric that can produce the Betzner artifact and that works within the confines of the lighting found in Betzner. This however is simple not possible, which is why Varnell refuses. Imagine that... Edited July 29, 2010 by Craig Lamson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 Credit: Martin Hinrichs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Lamson Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 Thank you Robin... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted July 29, 2010 Author Share Posted July 29, 2010 Utter nonsense from the master of utter nonsense Cliff Varnell. Towner, Croft and Betzner clearly show the fold exceeds the top of the jacket collar. Exceeds? Exceeds the top of the jacket collar? According to Craig Lamson the jacket collar is occluded in this photo. If you see a jacket collar at the back of JFK's neck in this photo -- well, who do you believe, Craig Lamson or your own lying eyes? What would possess a person to come out in public and tell a bald-faced prevarication such as this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Lamson Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 (edited) Truth and Varnell. Two words that will never be uttered honestly in the same breath... cliffy YESTERDAY before a few new posts in THIS thread. "I started two other ones for the discussion, which as far as I'm concerned is over until I hear from John Dolva, but I'm not holding my breath." Who in their right mind would ever believe this man???? Now back to that which makes cliffy's head explode... And the end for cliffy's silly claims..... Edited July 29, 2010 by Craig Lamson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Lamson Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 (edited) Exceeds?...YEP! Edited July 29, 2010 by Craig Lamson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Lamson Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 (edited) Which brings us ONCE AGAIN to the box cliffy finds himself in. If he can't show us ANY arrangement of fabric OTHER than a 3+ inch horizontal fold that can create the Betzner artifact...and that works within the confines of lighting present in Betzner...HE LOSES! Is there any wonder why he avoids this at ALL costs? Edited July 29, 2010 by Craig Lamson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Josephs Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=15981&view=findpost&p=199005 Rather than posting it twice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted July 29, 2010 Author Share Posted July 29, 2010 (edited) http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=15981&view=findpost&p=199005 Rather than posting it twice This is interesting, David. But I have one point to clarify...It appears as if the top of the shirt collar is above the folds in his neck in your clothed F5. Do I have that right? I'd like to point out that the shirt collar normally rode below the folds in his neck, as in the Stoughton photo on the right. Edited July 29, 2010 by Cliff Varnell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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