David Von Pein Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 For a lot of laughs (in addition to the many factual errors on his website), tune in to ex-FBI agent Don Adams' 5-part radio interview on this webpage: http://adamsjfk.com/Home.html In Part 2 of the program, Adams tells all kinds of falsehoods, such as the howler about how Oswald would have had to criss-cross the Book Depository building a total of THREE different times in order to get from the sixth-floor "loft" (as Adams calls it) to the second-floor "break room" (as Adams calls the lunchroom)! Adams actually seems to think that Oswald had to cross the entire length of the building THREE times--once to hide the rifle; then another criss-cross to get to the stairs (totally untrue); and then a third crossing of the building in order to reach the lunchroom (also a lie). This guy doesn't know the most basic facts about the assassination or Oswald's movements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Kelly Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 For a lot of laughs (in addition to the many factual errors on his website), tune in to ex-FBI agent Don Adams' 5-part radio interview on this webpage: http://adamsjfk.com/Home.html In Part 2 of the program, Adams tells all kinds of falsehoods, such as the howler about how Oswald would have had to criss-cross the Book Depository building a total of THREE different times in order to get from the sixth-floor "loft" (as Adams calls it) to the second-floor "break room" (as Adams calls the lunchroom)! Adams actually seems to think that Oswald had to cross the entire length of the building THREE times--once to hide the rifle; then another criss-cross to get to the stairs (totally untrue); and then a third crossing of the building in order to reach the lunchroom (also a lie). This guy doesn't know the most basic facts about the assassination or Oswald's movements. Why should any FBI agents know any of the real facts of the case, other than Hosty? This guy wasn't even in Dallas. He was in Atlanta right? And he was running informants, including one who provided very detailed descriptions of how the assassination would go down. How did people have such foreknowledge of the assassination? Did they just imagine it? BK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Duffy Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 My god, he actually called a lunch room a break room, on air! He may be feeble minded and incorrect at 80, but David, what's your excuse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Von Pein Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 More stuff that Adams has wrong (the list is almost endless if you listen to the full 5-part Cleveland radio interview): He thinks it was Rufus Youngblood who climbed aboard JFK's car right after the shooting in Dealey Plaza. He seemed to imply that the original motorcade route would have taken the car down Elm St. through Dallas, instead of Main (at least that's what he said). He implies that the back of JFK's head is missing in the existing autopsy pictures. Goofy. He claims that NONE of the Secret Service agents gave any statements to anyone in officialdom. He evidently isn't aware that every SS agent in Kennedy's detail wrote up an official report for the SS files, plus several agents appeared before the WC--e.g., Clint Hill, Roy Kellerman, and Bill Greer. Adams claims that nobody bothered to even check the bullets that came out of J.D. Tippit's body to see if they could be matched to Oswald's revolver. He thinks it wasn't done at all, despite the testimony of Joe Nicol and Bob Frazier...with Nicol even stating that one of the bullets could be matched to LHO's gun. He claims that somebody had to approach Jackie Kennedy and ask her to relinquish the piece of JFK's head that she carried to Parkland...instead of Jackie herself voluntarily giving the head piece to Dr. Pepper Jenkins (which, of course, is what happened). And, of course, we're treated to the usual CT excrement about how Oswald's shooting feat was absolutely impossible, and how it's never been duplicated by anybody on the mortal coil. And then we a goof who calls in the radio show to say that he and his Marine sniper team couldn't come anywhere near Oswald's feat, with the caller saying that he couldn't do it in less than SIXTEEN seconds. And the best his commanding officer could accomplish was TWELVE seconds. (Great sniper team there. Irene Ryan of The Beverly Hillbillies could have done it in under ten seconds--easy.) And there's the usual stuff about how Oswald's rifle was a piece of junk. And the lie about how Oswald didn't kill Tippit either. Etc., etc. Don Adams, in effect, is clueless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Kelly Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 More stuff that Adams has wrong (the list is almost endless if you listen to the full 5-part Cleveland radio interview): He thinks it was Rufus Youngblood who climbed aboard JFK's car right after the shooting in Dealey Plaza. He seemed to imply that the original motorcade route would have taken the car down Elm St. through Dallas, instead of Main (at least that's what he said). He implies that the back of JFK's head is missing in the existing autopsy pictures. Goofy. He claims that NONE of the Secret Service agents gave any statements to anyone in officialdom. He evidently isn't aware that every SS agent in Kennedy's detail wrote up an official report for the SS files, plus several agents appeared before the WC--e.g., Clint Hill, Roy Kellerman, and Bill Greer. Adams claims that nobody bothered to even check the bullets that came out of J.D. Tippit's body to see if they could be matched to Oswald's revolver. He thinks it wasn't done at all, despite the testimony of Joe Nicol and Bob Frazier...with Nicol even stating that one of the bullets could be matched to LHO's gun. He claims that somebody had to approach Jackie Kennedy and ask her to relinquish the piece of JFK's head that she carried to Parkland...instead of Jackie herself voluntarily giving the head piece to Dr. Pepper Jenkins (which, of course, is what happened). And, of course, we're treated to the usual CT excrement about how Oswald's shooting feat was absolutely impossible, and how it's never been duplicated by anybody on the mortal coil. And then we a goof who calls in the radio show to say that he and his Marine sniper team couldn't come anywhere near Oswald's feat, with the caller saying that he couldn't do it in less than SIXTEEN seconds. And the best his commanding officer could accomplish was TWELVE seconds. (Great sniper team there. Irene Ryan of The Beverly Hillbillies could have done it in under ten seconds--easy.) And there's the usual stuff about how Oswald's rifle was a piece of junk. And the lie about how Oswald didn't kill Tippit either. Etc., etc. Don Adams, in effect, is clueless. The FBI gets everything wrong, sometimes screwing up on purpose. Maybe its because they work out of a headquarters named after a crossdressing fag. One thing he does get right, his informant's precise foreknowledge of the assassination. How did they know that? And why didn't they do anything abou it? BK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter McGuire Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 (edited) That's right, Bill. You have this man who dominated "justice," ( The Justice Department), holding the power within the FBI for decades, who was nothing more than a dirty blackmailer. No one disputes his cross-dressing lifestyle or his live-in boyfriend. These are the "Men who Killed Kennedy." And then they buried this family man, flawed as he was: Edited August 23, 2010 by Peter McGuire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas Caddy Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 That's right, Bill. You have this faggot who dominated "justice," ( The Justice Department), holding the power within the FBI for decades, who was nothing more than a dirty blackmailer. Weirder than your typical gay man, no one disputes his cross-dressing lifestyle or his live-in boyfriend. These are the "Men who Killed Kennedy." And then they buried this family man, flawed as he was: You do a great disservice to the Education Forum by espousing your offensive hate-filled remarks about gays, such as the phrase “Weirder than your typical gay man.” I am gay and there may be others members of the Forum who are gay. One straight member has written me in the past about his gay brother, with whom he enjoys a close, family relationship. If you have a picture of J. Edgar Hoover being a cross-dressing gay, please post it. Otherwise, have the decency from refraining from spreading unsubstantiated rumors. He was gay but a masculine man, as shown in the TV interviews of him over the years. Your characterize JFK as being a married man. It is widely known that one of his closest friends for 30 years was gay. Click on the link below for further information http://woolfandwilde.com/2009/08/the-untold-story-of-jfk-and-his-gay-best-friend-of-30-years/ Apparently, JFK’s friend was not weird and JFK did not harbor the hate towards gays that you evidence in your posting. By the way, today’s New York Times carries an article that shows support for gay marriage in the U.S. has either passed or is nearing the 50 percent level. Still more evidence that hate mongering against gays (or "faggots" to use your word)is fast going out of style. Over Time, a Gay Marriage Groundswell By ANDREW GELMAN, JEFFREY LAX and JUSTIN PHILLIPS The New York Times August 22, 2010 Gay marriage is not going away as a highly emotional, contested issue. Proposition 8, the California ballot measure that bans same-sex marriage, has seen to that, as it winds its way through the federal courts. But perhaps the public has reached a turning point. A CNN poll this month found that a narrow majority of Americans supported same-sex marriage — the first poll to find majority support. Other poll results did not go that far, but still, on average, showed that support for gay marriage had risen to 45 percent or more (with the rest either opposed or undecided). That’s a big change from 1996, when Congress passed the Defense of Marriage Act. At that time, only 25 percent of Americans said that gay and lesbian couples should have the right to marry, according to an average of national polls. The more important turning points in public opinion, however, may be occurring at the state level, especially if states continue to control who can get married. According to our research, as recently as 2004, same-sex marriage did not have majority support in any state. By 2008, three states had crossed the 50 percent line. * Today, 17 states are over that line (more if you consider the CNN estimate correct that just over 50 percent of the country supports gay marriage). In 2008, the year Proposition 8 was approved, just under half of Californians supported same-sex marriage. Today, according to polls, more than half do. A similar shift has occurred in Maine, where same-sex marriage legislation was repealed by ballot measure in 2009. In both New York and New Jersey, where state legislatures in the past have defeated proposals to allow same-sex marriage, a majority now support it. And support for same-sex marriage has increased in all states, even in relatively conservative places like Wyoming and Kentucky. Only Utah is still below where national support stood in 1996. Among the five states that currently allow same-sex marriage, Iowa is the outlier. It is the only one of those states where support falls below half, at 44 percent. This trend will continue. Nationally, a majority of people under age 30 support same-sex marriage. And this is not because of overwhelming majorities found in more liberal states that skew the national picture: our research shows that a majority of young people in almost every state support it. As new voters come of age, and as their older counterparts exit the voting pool, it’s likely that support will increase, pushing more states over the halfway mark. State figures are based on a statistical technique has been used to generate state estimates from national polls. Public opinion is estimated in small demographic categories within each state, and then these are averaged using census information to get state-level summaries. Estimates in 2010 are projected from 2008 state-level estimates using an aggregate national estimate of 45 percent (or 50 percent) support for gay marriage. The authors are professors of political science at Columbia University. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Kelly Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 That's right, Bill. You have this faggot who dominated "justice," ( The Justice Department), holding the power within the FBI for decades, who was nothing more than a dirty blackmailer. Weirder than your typical gay man, no one disputes his cross-dressing lifestyle or his live-in boyfriend. These are the "Men who Killed Kennedy." And then they buried this family man, flawed as he was: You do a great disservice to the Education Forum by espousing your offensive hate-filled remarks about gays, such as the phrase "Weirder than your typical gay man." I am gay and there may be others members of the Forum who are gay. One straight member has written me in the past about his gay brother, with whom he enjoys a close, family relationship. If you have a picture of J. Edgar Hoover being a cross-dressing gay, please post it. Otherwise, have the decency from refraining from spreading unsubstantiated rumors. He was gay but a masculine man, as shown in the TV interviews of him over the years. Your characterize JFK as being a married man. It is widely known that one of his closest friends for 30 years was gay. Click on the link below for further information http://woolfandwilde...nd-of-30-years/ Apparently, JFK's friend was not weird and JFK did not harbor the hate towards gays that you evidence in your posting. By the way, today's New York Times carries an article that shows support for gay marriage in the U.S. has either passed or is nearing the 50 percent level. Still more evidence that hate mongering against gays (or "faggots" to use your word)is fast going out of style. Over Time, a Gay Marriage Groundswell By ANDREW GELMAN, JEFFREY LAX and JUSTIN PHILLIPS The New York Times August 22, 2010 Gay marriage is not going away as a highly emotional, contested issue. Proposition 8, the California ballot measure that bans same-sex marriage, has seen to that, as it winds its way through the federal courts. But perhaps the public has reached a turning point. A CNN poll this month found that a narrow majority of Americans supported same-sex marriage — the first poll to find majority support. Other poll results did not go that far, but still, on average, showed that support for gay marriage had risen to 45 percent or more (with the rest either opposed or undecided). That's a big change from 1996, when Congress passed the Defense of Marriage Act. At that time, only 25 percent of Americans said that gay and lesbian couples should have the right to marry, according to an average of national polls. The more important turning points in public opinion, however, may be occurring at the state level, especially if states continue to control who can get married. According to our research, as recently as 2004, same-sex marriage did not have majority support in any state. By 2008, three states had crossed the 50 percent line. * Today, 17 states are over that line (more if you consider the CNN estimate correct that just over 50 percent of the country supports gay marriage). In 2008, the year Proposition 8 was approved, just under half of Californians supported same-sex marriage. Today, according to polls, more than half do. A similar shift has occurred in Maine, where same-sex marriage legislation was repealed by ballot measure in 2009. In both New York and New Jersey, where state legislatures in the past have defeated proposals to allow same-sex marriage, a majority now support it. And support for same-sex marriage has increased in all states, even in relatively conservative places like Wyoming and Kentucky. Only Utah is still below where national support stood in 1996. Among the five states that currently allow same-sex marriage, Iowa is the outlier. It is the only one of those states where support falls below half, at 44 percent. This trend will continue. Nationally, a majority of people under age 30 support same-sex marriage. And this is not because of overwhelming majorities found in more liberal states that skew the national picture: our research shows that a majority of young people in almost every state support it. As new voters come of age, and as their older counterparts exit the voting pool, it's likely that support will increase, pushing more states over the halfway mark. State figures are based on a statistical technique has been used to generate state estimates from national polls. Public opinion is estimated in small demographic categories within each state, and then these are averaged using census information to get state-level summaries. Estimates in 2010 are projected from 2008 state-level estimates using an aggregate national estimate of 45 percent (or 50 percent) support for gay marriage. The authors are professors of political science at Columbia University. Mr. Caddy, I used the word first in regards to Hover and the FBI building. It's not about being gay, or about same sex marriages, it's about being in such a powerful position and abusing that power. I appologize, as it was not intended as a slur on gays but rather a personal attack on the man who denied his own lifestyle while prosecuting and blackmailing those who were gay. It is the man, J. Edgar Hover, the building named after him, and the hypocritical culture of curruption that he established and nurtured that continues to haunt the FBI today, and probably always will. Bill Kelly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Mauro Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 (edited) More stuff that Adams has wrong (the list is almost endless if you listen to the full 5-part Cleveland radio interview): He thinks it was Rufus Youngblood who climbed aboard JFK's car right after the shooting in Dealey Plaza. He seemed to imply that the original motorcade route would have taken the car down Elm St. through Dallas, instead of Main (at least that's what he said). He implies that the back of JFK's head is missing in the existing autopsy pictures. Goofy. He claims that NONE of the Secret Service agents gave any statements to anyone in officialdom. He evidently isn't aware that every SS agent in Kennedy's detail wrote up an official report for the SS files, plus several agents appeared before the WC--e.g., Clint Hill, Roy Kellerman, and Bill Greer. Adams claims that nobody bothered to even check the bullets that came out of J.D. Tippit's body to see if they could be matched to Oswald's revolver. He thinks it wasn't done at all, despite the testimony of Joe Nicol and Bob Frazier...with Nicol even stating that one of the bullets could be matched to LHO's gun. He claims that somebody had to approach Jackie Kennedy and ask her to relinquish the piece of JFK's head that she carried to Parkland...instead of Jackie herself voluntarily giving the head piece to Dr. Pepper Jenkins (which, of course, is what happened). And, of course, we're treated to the usual CT excrement about how Oswald's shooting feat was absolutely impossible, and how it's never been duplicated by anybody on the mortal coil. And then we a goof who calls in the radio show to say that he and his Marine sniper team couldn't come anywhere near Oswald's feat, with the caller saying that he couldn't do it in less than SIXTEEN seconds. And the best his commanding officer could accomplish was TWELVE seconds. (Great sniper team there. Irene Ryan of The Beverly Hillbillies could have done it in under ten seconds--easy.) And there's the usual stuff about how Oswald's rifle was a piece of junk. And the lie about how Oswald didn't kill Tippit either. Etc., etc. Don Adams, in effect, is clueless. The FBI gets everything wrong, sometimes screwing up on purpose. Maybe its because they work out of a headquarters named after a crossdressing fag. One thing he does get right, his informant's precise foreknowledge of the assassination. How did they know that? And why didn't they do anything abou it? BK Bill, You're right. Most of these FBI agents know nothing about the facts of the case. Not even those SA's in Dallas. I recall back in 1993 a magazine published an article about the JFK assassination and they used FBI SA Robert Gemberling(sp? I am doing this by memory so the name might be wrong) as their "expert". The article listed Gemberlings address and so I sent him off a short letter containing factual "contradictions" in the FBI's December 9, 1963 report. He responded with a letter "hawking" his services as a JFK assassination expert. He included his price per hour and a request to pay all of his traveling expenses. He thought I was interested in hiring him as a speaker/expert on the JFK case. I should have kept his letter because it was so funny. Edited August 22, 2010 by Terry Mauro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernice Moore Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 (edited) BULLET HOLES IN THE LIMOUSINE AND EXTRA BULLETS... COPY THIS INTO YOUR GOOGLE AND IT COMES RIGHT UP... ?B Edited August 28, 2010 by Bernice Moore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Downs Posted August 28, 2010 Share Posted August 28, 2010 James, I would be very interested in your 'take'/opinion of Adams and what he says, especially in light of you having interviewed him. Would you consider him a credible source? Regards, Randy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernice Moore Posted August 28, 2010 Share Posted August 28, 2010 update; http://dprogram.net/dictatorship/video-jfk-assassination-cover-up-blown-sky-high.html b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Von Pein Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 (edited) A DON ADAMS FOLLOW-UP: On August 20, 2010, I made the following comments about Don Adams: "Adams tells all kinds of falsehoods [during a July 28, 2010, interview on WTAM-Radio in Cleveland, Ohio], such as the howler about how Oswald would have had to criss-cross the Book Depository building a total of THREE different times in order to get from the sixth-floor "loft" (as Adams calls it) to the second-floor "break room" (as Adams calls the lunchroom)! Adams actually seems to think that Oswald had to cross the entire length of the building THREE times--once to hide the rifle; then another criss-cross to get to the stairs (totally untrue); and then a third crossing of the building in order to reach the lunchroom (also a lie). This guy doesn't know the most basic facts about the assassination or Oswald's movements." -- DVP; 08/20/10 [original post HERE] Ten days later, on August 30, 2010, Adams was a guest on James Fetzer's "Real Deal" Internet radio program [http://RadioFetzer.blogspot.com]. The lengthy segment with Adams is linked HERE. During the Fetzer broadcast, Mr. Adams talked briefly about a person who was criticizing him for saying that Oswald would have needed to cross the TSBD building three separate times prior to LHO's encounter with Officer Marrion L. Baker. And although Adams didn't mention me by name, I know he was referring to me and my Internet comments quoted above. Adams, on the Fetzer program, claims he never said any such thing about Oswald's criss-crossing movements during the WTAM show in July. Well, the proof is in the pudding, as they say. Or, in this instance, the proof is in the podcast, which I've linked below. Unfortunately, since I wrote my original post about this matter on August 20th, Mr. Adams has removed from his website the audio links to his 5-part July interview on WTAM-Radio, so you can't find them on Adams' homepage any longer [http://adamsjfk.com/Home.html] -- at least not as of today's date of September 13, 2010. But Adams' WTAM interview is not lost entirely. I found that it is still available (as of today anyway) at the WTAM website, which enabled me to prove that I was correct and Don Adams was wrong regarding this topic about Oswald criss-crossing the Book Depository. This issue isn't important at all in the grand scheme of things, of course, but I just wanted to clarify the record (mainly for my own archived collection of Internet articles and posts). And the record can, indeed, be clarified by going to approximately the halfway mark in the MP3 audio file linked below, which is where conspiracy theorist Don Adams can be heard saying this: "When we talk about Oswald doing the shooting, at the loft [the Sniper's Nest on the sixth floor of the TSBD], he would have ran from the loft after he did the shooting, he ran to the front of the building [it was actually the back of the building, further illustrating that Adams doesn't know what he's talking about] and he hid the weapon in a bunch of cardboard boxes. He then ran across the building and went down four flights of stairs, and then ran across the building to the break room." -- Donald A. Adams; July 28, 2010 Adams also says in the podcast below that he thinks there were "11 shots fired in Dallas" at President Kennedy. Now, if that statement isn't enough to make all reasonable and rational people roll their eyes, then I don't know what would be. DON ADAMS' INTERVIEW FROM JULY 28, 2010 David Von Pein September 13, 2010 Edited September 14, 2010 by David Von Pein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Wagner Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 As Terry mentioned in an earlier post, Adams' stuff seems like a simple re-hash. However, I stumbled upon a podcast where he was interviewed (he basically just tells his story) on something called The Lew Rockwell Show. There were a couple anecdotal items I found interesting. One related to limitations from his superior at the FBI around questioning Milteer and another regarding Hoover's contempt for both Kennedys. I haven't looked into Adams and I have no idea if he's credible, but he apparently was an FBI agent and worked on the periphery of this case. If you have 37 minutes to kill: http://www.lewrockwell.com/lewrockwell-show/2010/11/02/170-lee-harvey-oswald-was-a-patsy/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Kelly Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 As Terry mentioned in an earlier post, Adams' stuff seems like a simple re-hash. However, I stumbled upon a podcast where he was interviewed (he basically just tells his story) on something called The Lew Rockwell Show. There were a couple anecdotal items I found interesting. One related to limitations from his superior at the FBI around questioning Milteer and another regarding Hoover's contempt for both Kennedys. I haven't looked into Adams and I have no idea if he's credible, but he apparently was an FBI agent and worked on the periphery of this case. If you have 37 minutes to kill: http://www.lewrockwe...ld-was-a-patsy/ He must have something significant to say if DVP is hot and heavy to discredit him. BK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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