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This question may seem like it is coming from someone who isn't well versed in the dramatis personæ of the JFK Assassination debate community and it's history, but that's because I'm not.

I recently watched The Men Who Killed Kennedy. I think it was made over fifteen years ago, perhaps longer. In it, Gary Mack and Jack White, among others, make a case for conspiracy. This surprised me. I thought Gary Mack is the curator of the Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza in Dallas and a LN advocate.

Am I confused? When did Gary change sides and why? A few concise words would be fine.

Also, if you are willing, I would ask, in your opinion what percentage of hard core researchers have switched sides over the years? What are the most famous examples? Or have most researchers remained steadfast in their original opinion?

thanks - Otto.

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XXXXXXXXXXXXX. And I say that in no way attempting to degrade ladies of the night in association with Gary Mack. Gary Mack is the kind of guy who has and will sell his soul for a little power, a little position and NO prestige from folks in the JFK assassination research community. Gary Mack is a man who carries water for the murderers of John Kennedy. Who cares what he thinks; look at what he does. I have nothing but contempt for Gary Mack.

Additionally, the Sixth Floor Museum is a joke. It does almost nothing to educate people on the real reasons why JFK was murdered and who killed him. Having said that I ENCOURAGE folks to pay the overpriced $13.50 for the tour of the lies and propaganda of the Sickth Floor Museum. It is important to see the lies and propaganda in action so we can know how to counter them. I recommend the tour.

KEY INFORMATION ON THE SIXTH FLOOR MUSEUM:

You can't really discuss the JFK Assassination without discussing the role of the media and academia in the cover up of the assassination of John Kennedy. A perfect example of that is the Sixth Floor Museum in Dallas which promotes the Big Lie as they protect the murderers and conspirators of John Kennedy.

Currently Nicola Longford and Gary Mack are the ones who are using the Sixth Floor Museum as a propaganda tool to promote the Big Lie, thus attempting to shield the public from the ugly truth of the elite domestic political conspiracy to murder John Kennedy. The police report that the management at the Sixth Floor Museum are the ones making complaints trying to run-off American patriot, hero and TRUTH TELLER Robert Groden from peacefully selling his fine research materials on the Grassy Knoll

CANCELLING MY ORAL HISTORY INTERVIEW - OUT OF THE BLUE, WITH NO EXPLANATION - LOOKS LIKE POLITICS ARE INVOLVED! - (so dreadfully common in the JFK case for 47 years)

I was recently contacted by Stephen Fagin, the associate curator of the The Sixth Floor Museum to do one of the 80 oral history interviews that the Sixth Floor does every year. I accepted and we scheduled the afternoon of August 17th for that interview. I said to him thanks, and also please tell your bosses to quit trying to run off American patriot and hero Robert Groden (and other peaceful researchers selling their materials) from the Grassy Knoll. Because that kind of behavior by the Sixth Floor Museum management really turns off the public ... in addition to the fact that they push the Big Lie about the JFK assassination.

So, I get this email today (8-5-10) from the very nice Stephen Fagin telling me we are canceling the scheduled oral interview, with no re-schedule date. In other words, just canceling out of the blue. I think it is a reasonable assumption that Stephen Fagin is coming under internal political pressure (a good guess would be either Nicole Longford or Gary Mack) to not interview me. Is it not disgusting the way the Sixth Floor Museum is run? The leadership, I mean. Nothing against Stephen Fagin, he is under pressure from the con artists and charlatans at the Sixth Floor Museum who make a mockery of the JFK Assassination.

CANCELLATION LETTER, OUT OF THE BLUE - NO RESCHEDULE DATE, (looks like politics to me!)

Hello Mr. Morrow,

You very kindly responded to my e-mail regarding the Oral History Project at The Sixth Floor Museum, and we tentatively scheduled a telephone conversation for Tuesday, August 17. I am afraid that I will not be able to speak with you on that date after all, and I apologize for the inconvenience. However, I hope we will have the opportunity to chat about your research efforts at some point in the future.

Thank you very much for your time.

Sincerely,

Stephen Fagin

Associate Curator

The Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza

411 Elm Street

Dallas TX 75202-3308

Phone: 214.747.6660 ext. 5578

Fax: 214.747.6662

ORIGINAL INVITATION LETTER (For an interview of me for oral history, which I readily accepted)

Dear Mr. Morrow:

My name is Stephen Fagin, and I am the associate curator at The Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza in Dallaslocated in the former Texas School Book Depository building at the site of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. Since opening in 1989, the museum has actively recorded personal memories and reflections on John F. Kennedy, his death, and the 1960s for our institutions ongoing Oral History Project.

One of the museums summer interns came across your interesting entry in the Memory Book recently and passed it along to me. You name six possible individuals/organizations that fit into your personal theory on the assassination, and I would be interested in chatting with you about your interest in this subject, research, and the overall impact that the death of President Kennedy had on your life. If you are willing, it would be a pleasure to capture your thoughts via a brief telephone interview for our Oral History Project.

This non-profit archival project includes nearly 800 individuals from all over the world, among them eyewitnesses, law enforcement officials, community leaders, filmmakers and researchers, 1960s schoolchildren, and more than 100 members of the news media. These informal recordings preserve information that might otherwise be lost. Among our participants have been Walter Cronkite, Peter Jennings, Tom Brokaw, Tom Landry, General Chuck Yeager, and hundreds of others.

As time marches on and the 50th anniversary of the Kennedy assassination approaches in 2013, I believe that it is incredibly important to preserve as much firsthand information as possible for the benefit of future historians, students, and researchers. Please note that the museum is not investigating the assassination or drawing any conclusions with this project; our goal is to capture personal perspectives on this seminal moment in American history.

I personally feel that everyone has a story worth capturing, and I sincerely hope you agree. At your convenience, please contact me Monday through Friday, 9am to 5pm, at (214) 747-6660, or at this e-mail address. Please take a look at the attached PDF file, and you can also visit our website, www.jfk.org, for more information on the Museum and this project.

Thank you very much for your timeand I hope to hear from you soon.

Sincerely,

Stephen Fagin

Associate Curator

The Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza

ADDITIONAL NOTE: I HAD TO REQUEST FROM THE SIXTH FLOOR MUSEUM, NICOLA LONGFORD IN PARTICULAR, 3 OR 4 TIMES (orally and in email) BEFORE SHE WOULD RELEASE THE NAMES OF THEIR BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE DALLAS COUNTY HISTORICAL FOUNDATION (d.b.a. Sixth Floor Museum), A VERY SIMPLE REQUEST WHICH THEY ARE REQUIRED BY LAW TO DO.

Dear Mr. Morrow,

These are the names of current Board members.

Jill Johnson (Board Chair)

Paul Coggins

James Hollifield

Jane Wetzel

Nancy Latner

Sandy Greyson

William C. Rea

Evelyn Henry Miller

Justin Rosales

Michael Lowenberg

Sincerely,

Nicola Longford

From: Morrow321@aol.com [mailto:Morrow321@aol.com]

Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 10:12 PM

To: Nicola Longford

Subject: Re: Enquiry to The Sixth Floor Museum

Ms. Longford,

I have made a very simple inquiry which is who are the board of directors of the Dallas County Historical Foundation (Sixth Floor Museum). You are required to give that out if someone requests it. How many times do I have to request this information? Again, who are the board members (and who is the chairman) of the Dallas County Historical Foundation? The information on Dallas County web site is outdated: http://www.dallascou...ndex.html/#found

And, yes, I do have many suggestions on how to improve the Sixth Floor Museum, especially in its accuracy relating to the JFK assassination. I have taken the tour several times; I enjoyed it - but basically it is a fraud and a lie relating to who murdered John Kennedy and why they murdered him.

So please email me the list of current board members and chair of the Dallas County Historical Foundation, dba Sixth Floor Museum.

Thank-you,

Robert Morrow Austin, TX 512-306-1510

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Thank you to everyone who responded. Gary wrote me yesterday and said pretty much what he told you Martin, adding Badgeman to his belief. Jim, thanks for the link. I try to take a man at his word until his deeds prove otherwise. I am not surprised, like anything in this case, that there is more to the story than meets the eye. Robert, thanks for your detailed response, although I'm not sure what name calling achieves, to be honest.

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Thank you to everyone who responded. Gary wrote me yesterday and said pretty much what he told you Martin, adding Badgeman to his belief. Jim, thanks for the link. I try to take a man at his word until his deeds prove otherwise. I am not surprised, like anything in this case, that there is more to the story than meets the eye. Robert, thanks for your detailed response, although I'm not sure what name calling achieves, to be honest.

Otto, that is exactly what the guy is. Gary Mack is a guy who pushes what he probably does not believe. He used to believe in a conspiracy to kill John Kennedy, probably still does, yet as an employee of the Sixth Floor Museum uses that platform to CONSTANTLY push the Lee Harvey Oswald "lone nut" theory. If you go into the 6th Floor Museum, you can't even buy a conspiracy book; books like JFK and the Unspeakable by James Douglass are BANNED there. But you can buy "lone nut" lies books. When you take the tour of the 6th floor musuem, the Big Lie of the TWO "lone nut" assassins is a theme that is constantly pushed on the guest. So Gary Mack has no principles.

Gary Mack is ALSO the guy who calls the Dallas police in attempts to have American patriot and truth teller Robert Groden arrested on the Grassy Knoll as he sells his JFK DVDS and booklets there. Robert Groden is the man most responsible for you evening seeing the Zapruder Film, as he put it on national TV in 1975. And Gary Mack and the leadership of the Sixth Floor Museum are trying to run him off the Grassy Knoll so they can have a monopoly on the propaganda and keep pushing the Big Lie, which he probably does not believe in.

Additionally, Jim Marrs used to teach a class, open to the public, on the JFK assassination at a local Texas college. Dave Perry and Gary Mack used to attend that thing, and they were so disruptive and so rude, that Jim Marrs was forced to CANCEL that class. Just ask Jim Marrs about that sad experience. Perry and Mack were there to disrupt and destroy learning and the search for the truth, exactly what Gary Mack does in his current position.

My descriptions of Gary Mack are accurate, to the point and I stick by them. And they are held my many if not most in the JFK research community.

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Robert, I understand your feelings. I guess I would respond by saying that the facts should represent themselves rather than heated language (no matter how warranted you feel it is), which, for me, always tends to get in the way.

The hostility aimed at Gary in posts I have read throughout the years made me believe that he was LNer. After I watched The Men Who Killed Kennedy I thought he was a CTer turned LNer, which may be worse in the minds of some CTers. According to him this is not the case. He apparently still believes in some sort of conspiracy. But facts seem to indicate that there is some contradiction in what he says personally and what he represents to the media at large (I know this is an understatement for most of you).

I'm not sure what percentage of the general public believe in conspiracy regarding the murder of JFK, but I think it is a rather large number. For this reason alone the Sixth Floor Museum should make available all matter of opinion regarding what might have happened. It is, after all, meant to serve the public, and if the public believes in conspiracy then the museum should be open to that avenue of thought.

No matter. I have my copy of JFK and the Unspeakable and I'm about to start it.

It's too bad Gary Mack has elected not to represent himself here. I understand its because of his association with the Museum.

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If you go into the 6th Floor Museum, you can't even buy a conspiracy book;

That's not true, you can buy conspiracy books there. For example you can buy David Wrone's Zapruder Film book and JFK: The Book of the Film.

Thanks for the clarification Martin. It would be interesting to know exactly how extensive their CT offerings are. Perhaps someone knows.

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Yes, Martin, I bought Praise from a Future Generation there as well as Brothers

The research room at the SIXTH FLOOR has several items available for your reading pleasure as well--including items like the Fletcher Prouty CD. These are not sold in the bookstore, but are available to read or listen to. The Research Room is free.

http://www.jfk.org/go/reading-room

And as for bookstore items to sell, folk complain that none of the Weisberg books are there, or Meagher's AATF, but those books were out of print,(currently I believe have been reprinted by and are now available at the MF website.)

Mack has said, time and time again, that he looks for hard evidence,and this was because of the Roscoe White story.

Kathy

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If you go into the 6th Floor Museum, you can't even buy a conspiracy book;

That's not true, you can buy conspiracy books there. For example you can buy David Wrone's Zapruder Film book and JFK: The Book of the Film.

Thanks for the clarification Martin. It would be interesting to know exactly how extensive their CT offerings are. Perhaps someone knows.

I went into the book store last fall and reported back on the books the store was carrying. There were in fact several CT books there, including Gary Cornwell's Real Answers.

The problem with Mack, IMO, is that he's become "institutionalized." His work with the Museum has put him in contact with the institutions of Dallas, including members of the DPD. As a result, he, as his friend Dave Perry, feels defensive of the city and the local police.

The irony in this is that the two aspects of a conspiracy Mack helped push, and in which he continues to believe--Badgeman and the Dictabelt analysis--both cast suspicion on the DPD's competence and/or honesty.

The other irony is that, as you've noted, many CTs assume, and act as though, Mack is a LN. This is, IMO, because Mack is a "glass is half full" CT, which is to say, like many of the earliest CTs, he believes both that Oswald was guilty and that there was a conspiracy.

Over time, a divide has developed within the CT ranks whereby anyone thinking Oswald pulled a trigger--even if he believes other shooters were involved--is one of "them." In recent years, in fact, it has been proposed that even those thinking Oswald innocent, but not convinced the military or CIA master-minded the assassination, such as myself, should be pushed out of the ranks, and treated as one of "them." Pretty silly, IMO.

My personal concern about Mack is not that he's a paid xxxx, but that, through his position and high-profile as a mainstream CT, he has become a "gate-keeper," so to speak. It's not a coincidence, IMO, that programs in which he's featured most always echo the WC line, unfairly depict CT theories, and fail to offer much that is new. As noted, his participation and contributions to both Inside the Target Car and the more recent Ruby Connection left much to be desired, and the programs stank of whitewash. (And this isn't just sour grapes--I agreed with most of the conclusions in Inside the Target Car, but found the methodology by which those conclusions were reached...dishonest and offensive.)

In any event, I hope Gary retires soon, and writes a book in which he feels free to present CT arguments more fairly than presented in his television appearances, so that people can more properly assess his role in all this.

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It's too bad Gary Mack has elected not to represent himself here. I understand its because of his association with the Museum.

Its got nothing to do with the Museum, its because Larry Dunkel is SCARED

I dare you to make a post Gary, come on out and shut me up

Prove me wrong Gary, lets see if you have the guts to make 1 post

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Robert, I understand your feelings. I guess I would respond by saying that the facts should represent themselves rather than heated language (no matter how warranted you feel it is), which, for me, always tends to get in the way.

The hostility aimed at Gary in posts I have read throughout the years made me believe that he was LNer. After I watched The Men Who Killed Kennedy I thought he was a CTer turned LNer, which may be worse in the minds of some CTers. According to him this is not the case. He apparently still believes in some sort of conspiracy. But facts seem to indicate that there is some contradiction in what he says personally and what he represents to the media at large (I know this is an understatement for most of you).

I'm not sure what percentage of the general public believe in conspiracy regarding the murder of JFK, but I think it is a rather large number. For this reason alone the Sixth Floor Museum should make available all matter of opinion regarding what might have happened. It is, after all, meant to serve the public, and if the public believes in conspiracy then the museum should be open to that avenue of thought.

No matter. I have my copy of JFK and the Unspeakable and I'm about to start it.

It's too bad Gary Mack has elected not to represent himself here. I understand its because of his association with the Museum.

Great attitude and thinking, Otto.

It's too bad Gary Mack has elected not to represent himself here. I understand its because of his association with the Museum.

Its got nothing to do with the Museum, its because Larry Dunkel is SCARED

I dare you to make a post Gary, come on out and shut me up

Prove me wrong Gary, lets see if you have the guts to make 1 post

Dean, have you ever asked Gary why he don't post on forums?

May it be, that he follow strict rules?

best

Martin

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Dean, have you ever asked Gary why he don't post on forums?

May it be, that he follow strict rules?

best

Martin

Of course I have Martin

Nothing but weak excuses

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I read through the various postings on this thread and then ask myself, "What asylum have I just wandered through?'

First, Dave Perry. Dave's a good guy. He spent most of his life working as an insurance adjuster. Given the number and frequency of lies told to insurance adjusters, Dave Perry could feel right at home in investigating claims about the Kennedy assassination. Let's just say that research on the Kennedy assassination is a target rich environment.

Next, there is Gary Mack. Not only is Gary a good guy, he has been my friend for over a decade. Like Perry, Mack has little patience with the nonsense that often is advertized as research on the Kennedy assassination. Some years ago, Gary and I put together a deal for getting "Six Seconds" reissued... it had been out of print for thirty years. The Director of the 6th Floor Museum approved the deal: I would turn over the copyright to the 6th Floor Museum. All income from sales would go to the 6th Floor Museum for the acquisitin and care of assassination materials. Gary and I would together write a chapter bringing up to date various parts of the book. Now "Six Seconds" is hardly what you would call a "lone nutter book." Yet, Gary was cooperating with me in giving the book a second life. The Director was fired just as we were about to start working on the project and the new Directer did not want it to continue. If you ever went to Gary with a question, you will recall the even-handed precision with which he helped you. I would hope some of the people Gary has helped over the last decade or so would speak up. I know that whenever I want to get to the bottom of a particular question I just call up Gary.

Josiah Thompson

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quote name=Otto B Cornejo' date='30 August 2010 - 10:26 PM' timestamp='1283199974' post='204198]

This question may seem like it is coming from someone who isn't well versed in the dramatis personæ of the JFK Assassination debate community and it's history, but that's because I'm not.

I recently watched The Men Who Killed Kennedy. I think it was made over fifteen years ago, perhaps longer. In it, Gary Mack and Jack White, among others, make a case for conspiracy. This surprised me. I thought Gary Mack is the curator of the Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza in Dallas and a LN advocate.

Am I confused? When did Gary change sides and why? A few concise words would be fine.

Also, if you are willing, I would ask, in your opinion what percentage of hard core researchers have switched sides over the years? What are the most famous examples? Or have most researchers remained steadfast in their original opinion?

thanks - Otto.

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If you ever went to Gary with a question, you will recall the even-handed precision with which he helped you.

:lol::lol::lol:

If I wasnt so against posting private Emails I could show you some between Gary and myself that would make you take back that statement Tink

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Thanks again to everyone for your posts, especially the clarification of what is offered at the Sixth Floor Museum. Josiah, my initial question was to clarify Gary Mack's position, not to condemn him or support him. I knew that there might be some heated responses, but my hopes were that most of the material would be useful for investigation, even if some of it didn't make Gary look very good. I am surprised after all these years among the community of researchers that you are bewildered by what some people say about an emotional subject. Thank you for offering your opinion of Gary (and Dave).

Otto

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