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Another stupid move Jim!

You surely don't want to be kicked out on your fat ass for violating the forum rule against calling a fellow member a xxxx.

Another big fat lie.

Congratulations, Mike.

I can't believe you were smart enough to spot the humor.

What I spotted was anger, hypocrisy and a lack of self-control.

I'm sure it did not escape readers that Raymond Carroll chose not to comment on the testimony of Marina Oswald re the rubber stamp kit.

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One of the many odd items found in Oswald's belongings was CE 813, a forged international certificate of vaccination using the name Hideel

(as administrator of the vaccine) and made with the help of Oswald's rubber stamp kit.

http://www.aarclibra...WH17_CE_813.pdf

Edited to add: http://whqlibdoc.who...allpox_WP_6.pdf (See page 4)

As this December 2, 1963 FBI memo shows, the FBI was already effecting damage control. They were aware of the vaccination card and were investigating it.

Assistant Director Bill Sullivan was after the New Orleans Office to prove that Oswald was a "non-entity."

He stated that if it necessitated more investigation to prove that OSWALD was, in fact, "a complete sipher," this should be done immediately.

There was a marked sense of urgency to his directives.

http://jfk.hood.edu/...ans/Item 19.pdf

Bill Kelly started a thread on the forged vaccination card: http://educationforu...showtopic=15826

Edited by Michael Hogan
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  • 1 year later...

Coming a bit full circle here...

Posted 23 March 2008 - 09:08 AM

Bill,

Harold took a bunch pictures of Garrison subjects down to the print shop and showed them to the Jones and Myra Silver. They picked out 4 pic's of Kerry Thornley as looking most like the person who picked up the order.
Weisberg told us he was reluctant to name Thornley, as he had doubts about his guilt after talking to David Lifton.

-Bill O

Mr OSBORNE is listed on the reciept as well as corroborated by Myra Silver.

Mr OSBORNE supposedly picks up the finished handbills yet most claim that it was Thornley.

(Albert) OSBORNE = (John) BOWEN = THORNLEY? delivering a rough draft that looks like Harvey's writing or whoever would have impersonated him...

Thornley nor Oswald were definitely not considered "husky" while Albert was....

Could begin to connect dots with the trip to Mexico where Osborne & Gaudet are involved and directly related to 544 Camp and Banister...

Roy?

ThornleyinDP_zps4468b7a3.jpg

http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh22/pdf/WH22_CE_1410.pdf

H&L p.543

Following the assassination Mrs. Silver was shown a photograph of Lee Harvey

Oswald by FBI agent John McCarthy. Mrs. Silver said she did not recognize the person

in the photograph as the man who placed the order for the handbills. The owner of the

company, Douglas Jones, was also shown a photograph of Lee Harvey Oswald and said

he was not the same person who placed the order. Jones remembered that man who

placed the order and described him as a "husky type person, on the order of a laborer."

Albert Osborne aka John Bowen

albertOsborne-akaBowen_zps5234eac8.jpg

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I can't quite follow what you're asking.

Are you wondering if Albert Osborne might have picked up the leaflets?

How are Osborne and Gaudet directly related to 544 Camp?

How does Thornley figure in?

I am one of those who is very reluctant to make IDs from old photos.

Sorry for not being clear enough Stephen...

OSBORNE is on the 1000 flyer receipt, the man who was described picking up the flyers is hard to connect to Thornley given his slight frame where as OSBORNE is obviously "husky"...

OSBORNE adds to the mystery as to who was on that bus with him, if anyone at all (I am seeing ALL of Mexico as akinto the Kleins evidence, completely fabricated to tell a specific story with nothing but conflicts and zero corroboration)

The FBI also combines the two different bus lines so that the Australian girls, Bowen and the MacFarland's are on the same bus.

Gaudet worked with Banister as well as the other "Cuban-related" CIA/FBI teams... he just happened onto the Oswald leaflet scene (if I remember correctly most everyone involved with that event was intelligence connected)

From H&L:

CIA Agent William Gaudet, who referred to Oswald as "Harvey,"43 said, "Somebody

had to be feeding him .... .I don't know who .... .I tell you a man who certainly should

give you some information on Lee Harvey Oswald, because he interviewed him on the

radio ..... is Ed Butler."44 Gaudet was a close personal friend of Butler and knew that he

ran the CIA-sponsored "Information Council of the Americas (INCA)." AUG,63-09 Gaudet

also knew David Ferrie and said, "He (Ferrie) became a private pilot .... .! mean, he used

to give flying lessons and ..... er ..... he was a friend of a lot of queers, including Clay

Shaw."45

NOTE: Gaudet worked for the CIA for many years and was very familiar with the intelligence

community in New Orleans (Banister, Butler, Stuckey, Shaw, Arcacha, etc.).

Gaudet and Oswald obtained Mexican tourist visas from the Mexican consulate in New

Orleans on the same day, but the FBI hid this information from the Warren Commission

and the public.

Gaudet was hidden from view as having been at the Mexican consulate and buying a tourist visa for "1 day" just before the one attributed to Oswald. When the FBI provided a list of visa purchasers, 24084 was omitted even though in DeBruey's early december report, Gaudet is listed... WCD75 I think https://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?absPageId=332393

Gaudet specifically tells us that Banister is involved in operations involving Cuba in his HSCA questioning (Armstrong's GAUDET notebook at Poage is quite detailed)

One has to wonder what purpose OSWALD would have had for getting a Mexican tourist visa in order to arrange travel thru Cuba to Russia when he was already cleared to travel to Russia the same route he left... no need to raise flags regarding Cuba... add to this the charades in Mexico to implicate and ID Oswald with Cuba and Kostikov and one wonders if HARVEY was even involved.

Thornley is said to have picked up the FPCC flyers, but why. At the Coffee House in NOLA he seems to have been close to Oswald, was with him in 1959 and again in Atsugi...

I don't know the role of Thornley

KerryThornley-artiststatementaarc-fbi201

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  • 5 months later...

One of the many odd items found in Oswald's belongings was CE 813, a forged international certificate of vaccination using the name Hideel

(as administrator of the vaccine) and made with the help of Oswald's rubber stamp kit.

http://www.aarclibra...WH17_CE_813.pdf

Edited to add: http://whqlibdoc.who...allpox_WP_6.pdf (See page 4)

As this December 2, 1963 FBI memo shows, the FBI was already effecting damage control. They were aware of the vaccination card and were investigating it.

Assistant Director Bill Sullivan was after the New Orleans Office to prove that Oswald was a "non-entity."

He stated that if it necessitated more investigation to prove that OSWALD was, in fact, "a complete sipher," this should be done immediately.

There was a marked sense of urgency to his directives.

http://jfk.hood.edu/...ans/Item 19.pdf

Bill Kelly started a thread on the forged vaccination card: http://educationforu...showtopic=15826

On the left edge of the forged vaccination certificate is a hand-stamped "June 8", which might be the answer to David Joseph's question in post #12, this thread.

It's interesting that the December 2, 1964 FBI memo says that, regarding FPCC activities, Oswald had an "apparent [sic] well organized group in New Orleans." Sullivan said he wanted the New Orleans FBI agents to prove that Oswald was a "non entity," whose FPCC chapter had neither other members nor funding.

So, according to Sullivan, Oswald was a well-organized lone nut assassin.

I suppose he must have been very well organized in order to pull off the crime of the century all by himself.

That or just very, very lucky.

It is fascinating, though, that Sullivan used the word "group" instead of, say, "organization." Did the FBI think Oswald was alone, or ... not?

--Tommy :sun

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Tommy -

The HIDEEL vaccination card was needed by someone to get back into the US from Mexico. If a traveler did not present a vaccination card, they were taken aside and vaccinated.

Del Rio was indeed vaccinated at Km 26 and only recalls one American who did not look like the photos shown him.

And still, by Feb 29, 1964 "Mexican" records still do not have anything on the entry or exit of Oswald... only everyone else who MAY have seen him on buses he was never on... :blink:

WCD766-DELRIOon830amDelNortebusoutofMexi

64-02-29FBI105-82555Sec118p88-2-29-64ARN

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