Thomas Graves Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 (edited) Thank you, Anthony. I think it's a safe bet that Robin Unger and the other shills will no longer be taken seriously after this exchange. Here is a copy of The News-Palladium in which the date, "November 22, 1963", can easily be seen. Benton Harbor is a small town of 10,000 or less, which makes the idea it would publish TWO EXTRAS about the assassination absurd. To me, it is embarrassing when so many attempt so hard to refute clear and convincing proof that the CIA has been manipulating evidence, even to the point of creating fake newspapers. The Altgens6, by the way, does not even appear in The New York Times, November 23, 1963! That Robin Unger has so many at his fingertips is fascinating to me--and worth contemplation. Unger, Lamson, Colby, Graves--and now Dolva!--appear impervious to logic and evidence in another stunning display of reckless disregard for reason, which requires some explanation. How much more proof would we need to know that the Zapruder film has been fabricated and that Altgens7 is a fake? No wonder the JFK research community becomes bogged down when this degree of irrationality of belief is displayed by so many members. There has to be a reason. (emphasis added by T. Graves) Dear Dr. Fetzer, In case you haven't noticed in our posts over the years, Dolva and I (and I think Unger, too) believe that JFK's assassination was the result of a conspiracy. Yes! A conspiracy! (Not sure about Lamson and Colby. LOL) And just because I don't think that all of the non-Zapruder films (and photos!) taken in Dealey Plaza during the assassination were altered to conform with a (possibly somewhat) altered Z-film does not obviate the fact that I believe that the CIA (or FBI, etc) was/were involved in the assassination and/or its coverup. For your edification, Dr. Fetzer, I personally think that the Z-frames most likely to have been altered are the frames that show JFK's head wounds. But you know something? After doing a personal cost-benefit analysis regarding the feasibility or non feasibility of my doing my own (paranoic?) hyper-analysis of every frame of the Zapruder film, etc, I came to the conclusion that it doesn't really matter to me. Why? Because I already believe that there was an intelligence agency-based conspiracy and now I'm just trying to find out who, exactly, was involved. Sincerely, --Tommy Edited February 27, 2013 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 (edited) quote: That Robin Unger has so many at his fingertips is fascinating to me--and worth contemplation. Unger, Lamson, Colby, Graves--and now Dolva!--appear impervious to logic and evidence Your name should go to the top of that impervious to logic and evidence list. Edited February 27, 2013 by Robin Unger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 (edited) Thank you, Anthony. I think it's a safe bet that Robin Unger and the other shills will no longer be taken seriously after this exchange. Here is a copy of The News-Palladium in which the date, "November 22, 1963", can easily be seen. Benton Harbor is a small town of 10,000 or less, which makes the idea it would publish TWO EXTRAS about the assassination absurd. To me, it is embarrassing when so many attempt so hard to refute clear and convincing proof that the CIA has been manipulating evidence, even to the point of creating fake newspapers. The Altgens6, by the way, does not even appear in The New York Times, November 23, 1963! That Robin Unger has so many at his fingertips is fascinating to me--and worth contemplation. Unger, Lamson, Colby, Graves--and now Dolva!--appear impervious to logic and evidence in another stunning display of reckless disregard for reason, which requires some explanation. How much more proof would we need to know that the Zapruder film has been fabricated and that Altgens7 is a fake? No wonder the JFK research community becomes bogged down when this degree of irrationality of belief is displayed by so many members. There has to be a reason. Dear Dr. Fetzer, In case you haven't noticed in our posts over the years, Dolva and I (and I think Unger, too) believe that JFK's assassination was the result of a conspiracy. Yes! A conspiracy! (Not sure about Lamson and Colby. LOL) And just because I don't think that all of the non-Zapruder films (and photos!) taken in Dealey Plaza during the assassination were altered to conform with a (possibly somewhat) altered Z-film does not obviate the fact that I believe that the CIA (or FBI, etc) was/were involved in the assassination and/or its coverup. For your edification, Dr. Fetzer, I personally think that the Z-frames most likely to have been altered are the frames that show JFK's head wounds. But you know something? After doing a personal cost-benefit analysis regarding the feasibility or non feasibility of my doing my own (paranoic?) micro analysis of every frame of the Zapruder film, I came to the conclusion that it doesn't really matter. Why? Because I already believe that there was an intelligence agency-based conspiracy and now I'm just trying to find out who, exactly, was involved. Sincerely, --Tommy edited and bumped Edited February 27, 2013 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 (edited) (3) - 16mm Unslit “double 8” B&W Dupes Quote: Three such “dirty dupes” – all unslit, 16 mm wide, “double 8” versions of the Zapruder film – surfaced in January of 2000 when the LMH Co. materials were physically transferred to the Sixth Floor Museum, in Dallas. They are all black and white products (as are the 31 poor quality blowup prints of the Zapruder film published in the November 29th issue of LIFE). As noted by author Richard Trask, one of them, a “reversal black-and-white positive,” does contain markings that “…appear to be markings used to determine selected images for inclusion in LIFE magazine.” [25] Unfortunately, both Roland Zavada and Richard Trask (who has endorsed Zavada’s view) have gotten carried away by the discovery of these three black-and-white “dirty dupes,” and have drawn entirely the wrong conclusion from these materials discovered about twelve-and-one-half years ago. zavada's open letter response to Doug Horne 2010 Edited February 27, 2013 by Robin Unger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 (edited) Standard “double 8” filming procedure. Continuation of zavada's open letter response to Doug Horne 2010 Complete Viewable PDF Online here: http://www.jfk-info....Z-DH-032010.pdf Edited February 27, 2013 by Robin Unger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 (edited) Clint Hill said he pushed jackie back into her seat. Is that what we start to see in Nix as the film ends. ? Click on image to view FULL SIZE: Edited February 27, 2013 by Robin Unger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 (edited) Life Magazine Scan LARGE Is Clint Hill touching Jackie ? Is the back of the head wound visible ? Click on image to view FULL SIZE: Altgen's 7 Crop Colorized LARGE Edited February 27, 2013 by Robin Unger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 (edited) Zoomed headshot Does the back of the head look normal, or has it been re-touched (painted over) Click on image to view FULL SIZE: Edited February 27, 2013 by Robin Unger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 (edited) Altgen's 6 Crop Colorized Click on image to view FULL SIZE: Edited February 27, 2013 by Robin Unger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 (edited) Autopsy photo's How much is genuine, and how much is Re-Touched or completely Bogus Colorized autopsy photo's Click on image to view FULL SIZE: Edited February 27, 2013 by Robin Unger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 (edited) Colorized autopsy image LARGE Click on image to view FULL SIZE Edited February 27, 2013 by Robin Unger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 (edited) Colorized F8 Shown in BOTH orientations Click on image to view FULL SIZE Edited February 27, 2013 by Robin Unger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 (edited) Serpia Colorized skull X-Rays Click on image to view FULL SIZE Edited February 27, 2013 by Robin Unger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Len Colby Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 zavada's open letter response to Doug Horne 2010 Thanks for posting that Robin, it pretty clearly demonstrates Horne's agenda took precedence over his credibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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