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How evil is our system.......why a city can be picked out which is not in total submission !!

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JUSTICE FOR Fallujah (see link below)

http://thefallujahproject.org/home/

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justice for Slavyansk.....crystal ball crystal ball crystal ball

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BLUM (above post # 282)

My dear, and recently departed, Washington friend, John Judge, liked to say that if you want to call him a “conspiracy theorist” you have to call others “coincidence theorists”. Thus it was by the most remarkable of coincidences that Arseniy Yatsenuk did indeed become the new prime minister. He could very soon be found in private meetings and public press conferences with the president of the United States and the Secretary-General of NATO, as well as meeting with the soon-to-be new owners of Ukraine, the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund, preparing to impose their standard financial shock therapy. The current protestors in Ukraine don’t need PHDs in economics to know what this portends. They know about the impoverishment of Greece, Spain, et al. They also despise the new regime for its overthrow of their democratically-elected government, whatever its shortcomings. But the American media obscures these motivations by almost always referring to them simply as “pro-Russian”.
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Alfred Mendez (above post # 271)

(1) The BIS occupies a central role within the global/European financial scene - to the extent that such institutions as the G-10 and ECB (among others) play a surrogate role.

(2) The goal of the corporations is precisely the same today as it was at the end of the Great War. This is inevitable, inasmuch as inherent within the capitalist system is its obligation to the aggrandisement of profit.

(3) As a consequence, sovereignty - in the sense of a country's or organisation's political independence - can be ignored and overridden. This is happening today. The signs are there for all to see: Is America really in the Gulf Region for the benefit of its inhabitants ('ragheads' in American parlance)? Ask any oilman.

Are the two terms 'NATO' and the "International Community' really synonymous? Ask any country not in the Alliance.

Is the 'Cold War' really dead? Ask NATO why it is still in existence. ??????????????????

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(from link at above post # 271)

Carrol Quigley - the bankers' plan

Carrol Quigley, Tragedy and Hope, 1966 - [bill Clinton's mentor and Georgetown University professor] "The Power of financial capitalism had [a] far reaching plan, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole.

This system was to be controlled in a feudalistic fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences.

The apex of the system was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks, which were themselves private corporations.

Each central bank sought to dominate its government by its ability to control treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence co-operative politicians by subsequent rewards in the business world."

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SEE POST # 271 above

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How evil is our system....... ????? Answer Slavyansk & Fallujah, just see whats there......you dont need a crystal ball to know which way the winds blow.......

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JUSTICE FOR Slavyansk ........................

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Monday, June 9

19:20 GMT:

The authorities of the Lugansk People’s Republic have closed the Lugansk airport, according to RIA Novosti news agency. If Kiev attempts to land its planes there, the self-defense forces will “take appropriate measures.”

19:19 GMT:

The self-defense squads in Slavyansk have destroyed “Grad” missile launchers that were being used by the Kiev forces to bomb the city, RIA Novosti reports.

13:58 GMT:

Four journalists of the Itar-Tass news agency and two employees of the Defense Ministry’s Zvezda TV Channel have been denied entry to Ukraine. A representative of Ukraine’s State Border Service said that it was due to the fact that the journalists “hadn’t presented the documents to confirm the aim of their stay in the country.”

The journalists were put on a plane going to Russia, and their passports were handed to the cabin crew.

The representatives of Itar-Tass news agency in Kiev have sent an official complaint to the Border Service, but has received no reply.

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#Don’t kills us: Refugees from Eastern Ukraine make a plea for peace (VIDEO)
Published time: June 10, 2014 00:17
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Refugees who fled the turmoil in Eastern Ukraine made a video plea, where they hold a poster with the hashtag #DontKillUs, urging the Kiev government to stop military assaults in the area.

Women and children that have been sheltered in a children’s summer camp Dmitriadovsky in Russia’s southern Rostov Oblast appear in the 5-minute video asking Ukraine’s newly elected President Petro Poroshenko to stop the killing and withdraw Ukrainian troops.

Each of their messages asks the president to let them live and ends with a plea not to kill any more of their relatives.

The hashtag took the Twitter stratosphere by storm.

Overall about 20,000 women and children from Ukraine’s southeast have crossed the border into Russia’s Rostov Region in the last three days, according to regional authorities in Rostov. They added that at least 7,335 Ukrainian citizens have entered the Rostov Region in the last 24 hours.

Refugee Victoria from Lugansk expressed her concerns for loved ones who stayed behind and expressed her gratitude to Russia for providing shelter to her and her children.

“My husband and my parents have stayed behind in Lugansk. It was very difficult to leave town, and very scary. There was unrelenting gunfire, and my entire family had to lie down on the floor to stay safe. I can’t even tell you how scary that was. I’m very grateful to the people who have sheltered us here, we’ve been provided with absolutely everything. Thank you very, very much, Russia. I’m thankful for the fact that my children and myself are here. I’m really worried about the people who have stayed behind, and it’s very disturbing to watch the news and see what’s going on there. I beg you, stop the killings. Stop killing civilians, enough bloodshed.”

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Refugee Maksim

Little boy Maksim uses the video message to say hi to his dad and grandparents, who are still in Lugansk.

“I want to say Hi to my Dad, who is now fighting for our country, and to my grandmas and granddads. Our dog, my Dad, grandmas and grandpas are still in Lugansk now. I want to ask them to take care. Please don’t kill people, please.”

Refugee Olga called out the Kiev authorities for labeling them various names, including terrorists, while in reality they are just normal people asking for peace.

“I came here from Slavyansk but my husband, my brother and other relatives are still there. We are ordinary people, and not what they called us during these months. First, they referred to us as ‘mercenaries’, then ‘separatists’ and later ‘terrorists’. We are ordinary people, and our relatives are still in Slavyansk. We urge you not to kill our relatives.”

Refugee Svetlana Garkavenko said she was tired of living in a war zone, adding that this situation is making the children suffer.

“Mr. Poroshenko, I am a resident of Slavyansk. We are tired of living in a war zone when our houses are constantly being shelled. Children are suffering, they are afraid and have to spend the nights in basements. Leave the town of Slavyansk in peace, pull back the troops. We want to return to our homes, we love our town of Slavyansk. We are tired of going through this torment.”

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E. Ukraine warzone: Demolished houses, fires after heavy shelling (VIDEOS)

Published time: June 09, 2014 20:23

Edited time: June 09, 2014 21:42

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Local residents react as they stand near destroyed houses and vehicles after what locals say was overnight shelling by Ukrainian forces, in the eastern Ukrainian town of Slaviansk June 9, 2014 (Reuters / Gleb Garanich)

Despite President Poroshenko intention to bring about a ceasefire, Kiev’s relentless military operation in the country's east is intensifying. Slavyansk has become one of the main targets of artillery attacks, amateur videos filmed in the area show.

READ MORE: Slavyansk under fire, without water and power as Kiev troops resume shelling

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TURKU, June 09. /ITAR-TASS/. Urgent measures to relieve the humanitarian situation in Ukraine are badly needed, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on Monday after talks with his Finnish counterpart Erkki Tuomioja.

“Given all the nuances, we have a common position that the Geneva communiqué and the OSCE roadmap are the common denominator. They open a way to the settlement. A priority step is stopping violence and launching a nationwide dialogue and a constitutional reform,” he said.

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DONETSK, June 09. /ITAR-TASS/. Prime Minister of newly proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic Alexander Borodai has described President Petro Poroshenko’s promises to cease fire in Ukraine’s eastern regions within a week as ‘air shaking’.

“If all the troops are pulled back, these words could be turned into reality,” the press service of the Donetsk Republic quoted him as saying on Monday. According to Borodai, Poroshenko might have meant another scenario. “Within a week, forces controlled by him or by Kolomoisky might stage a massive attack at all the fronts in the Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics to exterminate any resistance,” he said.

“I have serious doubts such a scenario could be realized,” he said, adding that he had “slim hopes that reason would get the upper hand.”

Ukraine’s parliament-appointed Interior Minister Arsen Avakov phoned personally to the leader of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR), Denis Pushilin, and offered ceasefire, Borodai added.

“First, his aide called and then Avakov himself did, offering ceasefire,” Borodai said indicating that the leadership of the republic accepted the proposal.

“Pushilin confirmed that we are ready to stop gunfire and set up a humanitarian corridor,” Borodai said, adding that Avakov “made it sure that he is interested in these things, too.”

“Half an hour later, Avakov called again saying that the command had been given and that the gunfire be stopped immediately, with the humanitarian corridor to be opened the next day,” Borodai said.

“At present the situation is as follows: the aviation dropped bombs on Slaviansk at night and the Grad multiple rocket launchers and heavy guns have been pounding the city since morning,” he said.

Borodai suggested that Avakov’s proposal either had been “a foolish hearsay, no idea for what purpose,” or an indication that the Ukrainian military and law enforcement chiefs “do not control any processes in and actions of their own military forces.”

“In other words, they can give any commands but the Ukrainian law enforcers, with a majority of gunmen from the National Guard and the nationalist Right Sector, act absolutely on their own,” Borodai said.

At the same time, he stressed that dialogue with the Kiev authorities was still possible. “But this dialogue has one very simple condition: stopping genocide. It will require the withdrawal of all Kiev’s and Dnipropetrovsk’s troops from the territory of the Donetsk and Luhansk Republics. Dialogue will be possible after that. But before this is done it is pointless,” he said. In his words, Ukraine’s parliament-appointed Interior Minister Arsen Avakov had had a telephone conversation with speaker of the Donetsk Republic’s legislature Denis Pushilin on June 8 and had promised to stop fire, but never kept his word.

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06:33 GMT:

One self-defense fighter has been killed and another two wounded during an attack on a checkpoint carried out by Ukraine’s National Guard. The checkpoint is situated between Slavyansk and Kramatorsk.

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MOSCOW, June 10. /ITAR-TASS/. Experts at Russia's Public Chamber will prepare several dozen legal claims to international courts from Ukrainian citizens who suffered as a result of Kiev's actions.

"The Public Chamber will draw several dozen such legal claims within the next few months," First Deputy Public Chamber Secretary Vladislav Grib told a roundtable discussion in Moscow on Tuesday.

Grib is head of the Public Chamber's Coordination Headquarters for Ukrainian situation.

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Tuesday, June 10

12:16 GMT:

In the area of Donetsk Airport, shooting was heard overnight on Monday, reports the website of Donetsk Mayor Aleksandr Lukyanchenko.

A statement published on the website warns that “the airport’s perimeter and the area around the METRO shopping center are still not safe,” urging Donetsk residents to stay away from the stated places.

Meanwhile in Slavyansk, at least four residential blocks were damaged by Ukrainian mortar shelling overnight, local self-defense told ITAR-TASS, claiming that there have been “casualties.”

“People are dying every day, the number of victims and the injured is constantly mounting,” the spokesman for the people’s mayor of Slavyansk, Stella Khorosheva, told the agency, adding that several mortar shells “exploded in the city’s center.”

11:57 GMT:

Some 2,000 troops of the Ukrainian National Guard with armored vehicles have been deployed to the Lugansk Airport, a local self-defense forces source told RIA Novosti.

“The largest force of the adversary is stationed in the airport. There are some 2,000 people there, a large number of armored vehicles and other weapons,” the source said.

He added that self-defense troops fired at the airport on Monday night using RPGs and mortars, but could not confirm any casualties from either side.

11:45 GMT:

The ‘people’s mayor’ of Slavyansk, Vyacheslav Ponomarev, has been dismissed from office and arrested, ITAR-TASS reports.

According to LifeNews, Slavyansk’s social welfare chief has been appointed to the post of acting head of the city.

The co-chairman of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic, Denis Pushilin, said he “could not confirm or deny the information,” while another official source told ITAR-TASS that the republic’s government “did not make such a decision” and it could be a “provocation.”

Earlier on Monday, Ponomarev said he was ready for negotiations with Kiev if the Ukrainian government were to offer talks.

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[whenever the junta uses 'terrorists' read independence fighter or federalist. (Obviously it's the junta that is the terrorist.) This newspeak is very common in usa/cia propaganda] Tuesday, June 10

17:48 GMT:

Shooting broke out in the Donetsk Region city of Artyomovsk as a result of failed talks between the self-defense forces and the Ukrainian troops, RIA Novosti reports.

“In Artyomovsk, armed members of the Donetsk People’s Republic attempted to hold negotiations with a commander of a [ukrainian] tank unit. During the talks, the shooting started, resulting in fatalities and injuries,” a statement from the self-proclaimed republic reads.

16:47 GMT:

Russia’s Rostov Region will spend some 350 million rubles (US$8.72 million) to accommodate and aid refugees from eastern Ukraine, RIA Novosti reports. There has been a sharp increase in the number of Ukrainians seeking refuge in Rostov due to the intensified military operation by Kiev's military.

13:32 GMT:

Ukraine’s freshly-elected [junta] President Petro Poroshenko has appointed oligarch Boris Lozhkin, founder and principal shareholder of United Media Holding group, as the head of his administration. Poroshenko also picked a TV anchor from Ukraine’s Channel 5, which he still controls, as his press secretary.

13:21 GMT:

There is no political solution to the Ukrainian crisis in sight, but the de-escalation is possible if due steps are taken by its sides, German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier said at a trilateral meeting with his Russian and German counterparts in St. Petersburg.

“We do not face a political solution of the conflict, but we are now in the situation, which allows for the de-escalation, and we need to use this positive moment now,” Steinmeier said, adding that a national dialogue must be “ensured” and “not be derailed” in Ukraine.

Polish Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski has dismissed reports the Maidan rioters were trained in Poland or that Polish mercenaries have been sent to eastern Ukraine.

The Polish law prohibits such moves, Sikorski said, claiming that he will “inform the Prosecutor’s Office in person,” if he learns that the alleged mercenaries in fact exist.

13:00 GMT:

Russia doesn’t see any obstacles to Ukraine signing the EU association agreement, said Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov. He added that Moscow will not impose any sanctions and will return the trade regime with Kiev to ‘most-favored’ status.

12:33 GMT:

The key to the resolving of the situation in eastern Ukraine is ending the military operation against the anti-government protesters, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said at a trilateral meeting with his Polish and German counterparts in St. Petersburg.

“It is then the people, who are being called separatists, would reciprocate,” Lavrov said, adding that he is sure “no one wants the war to continue.”

However, Moscow has not seen any signs of Kiev seeking the de-escalation of the eastern Ukrainian crisis, the minister said.

Lavrov welcomed the creation of “humanitarian corridors” for eastern Ukrainian refugees announced by Ukraine’s newly-elected President Petro Poroshenko, but added that the words should be followed up by deeds.

12:16 GMT:

In the area of Donetsk Airport, shooting was heard overnight on Monday, reports the website of Donetsk Mayor Aleksandr Lukyanchenko.

A statement published on the website warns that “the airport’s perimeter and the area around the METRO shopping center are still not safe,” urging Donetsk residents to stay away from the stated places.

Meanwhile in Slavyansk, at least four residential blocks were damaged by Ukrainian mortar shelling overnight, local self-defense told ITAR-TASS, claiming that there have been “casualties.”

“People are dying every day, the number of victims and the injured is constantly mounting,” the spokesman for the people’s mayor of Slavyansk, Stella Khorosheva, told the agency, adding that several mortar shells “exploded in the city’s center.”

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E. Ukraine self-defense forces organize secret training camps (VIDEO)

Despite a pledge from new Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko to broker a ceasefire, there is no end in sight to the military offensive in the east of the country, where self-defense forces have organized improvised training camps

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*ST. PETERSBURG, June 10 (RIA Novosti) – Russia and its partners are convinced that dialogue and cessation of violence are vital for reconciliation in Ukraine regardless of how the sides interpret the Ukrainian crisis, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said Tuesday.

"We are convinced – and, as I understand, our partners share this approach – that regardless of different interpretations of various events that took place during the Ukrainian crisis, today we need to concentrate on ceasing bloodshed unconditionally and immediately, stopping the use of force and launching a dialogue with the participation of all regions of Ukraine in order to agree on the future system of government," the Russian minister said.

Moscow believes Kiev’s refusal to hold talks with eastern Ukraine will drag the crisis ad infinitum. Meanwhile, Kiev is not seeking to de-escalate the situation in the east, Lavrov said.

Lavrov participated in the fourth trilateral meeting of the foreign ministers of Russia, Germany and Poland in St. Petersburg on Tuesday focusing on the crisis settlement in Ukraine.

The Luhansk and Donetsk People’s Republics declared themselves independent states following a May 11 referendum and soon started to form governments and law enforcement agencies.

Kiev has refused to recognize the legitimacy of any of these decisions and is continuing military operations that were launched in mid-April against the independence supporters in the regions.

Moscow has repeatedly condemned Kiev authorities for what it calls "a punitive operation" and stressed the need for the de-escalation of the Ukrainian crisis.

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Wednesday, June 11

01:45 GMT:

Russian regions bordering Ukraine are successfully handling the flow of refugees coming in from eastern Ukraine, representative of Russia’s Kursk region Valeriy Ryazan told RIA Novosti. Most of the refugees from Lungansk and Donetsk regions are being taken in by friends and relatives on the other side of the border.

01:05 GMT:

The secretary general of the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE), Lamberto Zannier, will travel to the Russian city of Rostov-on-Don on Wednesday, where he will visit refugees from eastern Ukraine. Zannier is arriving in Russia after an invitation from the country’s foreign minister, Sergey Lavrov, and will also visit the local government administration.

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MOSCOW, June 11./ITAR-TASS/. Head of Russia's Investigative Committee Alexander Bastrykin said none of those who are committing crimes in southeastern Ukraine will be able to avoid retribution.

"We'll get them, as the allies said in their statement in 1943 (at the Tehran conference - eds ITAR-TASS) even at the bottom of the ocean, and they will bear - sooner or later - moral, political and criminal responsibility for the actions they are taking against the peoples of Ukraine today," Bastrykin said at a meeting of the Military Leaders and Naval Commanders forum on the occasion of the 120th anniversary of Marshall Fyodor Tolbukhin's birthdate.

Earlier, the Investigative Committee has organised a specialised department on investigation of crimes against civilians in Ukraine and opened a criminal case on illegal methods of war used by as yet unidentified military of Ukraine’s Armed Forces and members of the Ukrainian National Guard and Right Sector. The reasons to open the criminal case were the shelling of cities Sloviansk, Kramatorsk, Donetsk, Mariupol and others.

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MOSCOW, June 11 (RIA Novosti) – Ukraine plans to close the border with Russia in the east, Anton Gerashchenko, an aide to the Ukrainian interior minister told Ukrainian TV “Channel 5” Wednesday.

“Various means should be considered but, of course, the border will be closed immediately. Necessary tools and methods are being provided for that,” he said.

Earlier Ukrainian authorities decided to partly close the border in the east of the country, where a military operation against freedom supporters continues. Currently eight border crossing checkpoints are closed.

According to the Ukrainian government, Russian armed groups have been penetrating to the eastern territory of Ukraine through the border. Russia has not confirmed this information.

Answering a question about the possibility of mining the border, Gerashchenko said that “mining the home territory represents a danger for the citizens of Ukraine and for animals,” adding that national security is the highest consideration, but all pros and cons should be weighed.

According to the aide, there are many methods aside from mining, but they all require time and money and currently there is none of this in Ukraine.

Mass anti-government protests began in the southeastern regions of Ukraine in the end of February 2014 as a response of local residents to the military coup in Ukraine followed by an attempt of the new authorities to abolish the law that insured the regional status of Russian language in those areas.

The Luhansk and Donetsk People’s Republics declared themselves independent states following a May 11 referendum and soon started to form governments and law enforcement agencies.

Kiev refused to recognize the legitimacy of any of these decisions and has continued the military operation against the independence supporters in the regions.

Violence in eastern Ukraine has been on the rise since the beginning of a punitive operation launched by Kiev authorities in mid-April and has claimed dozens of civilian lives.

Moscow has repeatedly stated that Kiev must stop its military operation in eastern Ukraine and start direct dialogue with independence supporters.

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