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I would like to have more information about Dallas Police Sgt. Patrick Dean. I believe he is deceased, but could find nothing online about the particulars. Does anyone know the date- an obituary or news story about it would be very helpful. Also, does he have surviving children (or a wife)?

I apologize for not being able to track this down myself, but I know that this community is filled with great researchers who can point the way to this kind of data. Thanks.

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DEAN, PATRICK TREVORE (SGT.)

Dallas Police Sgt. Friend of Jack Ruby. Dean gave contradictory accounts. Died 8/13/88 in Tyler, Texas. Survived by wife Shirley Dean of Tyler, daughter Tivilla Hoff of Dallas, sons Darrell and Tony of Tyler. Wife supposed to have been daughter of O. P. Wright of Parkland Hospital. O. P. Wright's second wife was Elizabeth Good, nurse who came to Parkland from Florida shortly before Assassination.

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Thank you so much, Josh!

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I tried to assimilate the most pertinent information, and I hope that everybody familiar with the whole Dallas element of the assassination

weighs in, and as egotistical as I do not want to seem, I think there may be some new facts in here, as well as a feeling Patrick Dean

may have been an insider regarding the whole "estate" business, the one that was "being guarded" on 11/22/63, although that is speculative

on my part...

OFFICER WHO HEARD JACK RUBY'S CONFESSION DIES
The Dallas Morning News - Sunday, August 14, 1988
Patrick T. Dean, 56, the Dallas police officer who said he heard Jack Ruby confess to killing Lee Harvey Oswald, died Saturday afternoon in a Tyler hospital after a lengthy illness.
A Tyler native, Dean moved to Dallas as a child and lived there most of his life. He joined the Dallas Police Department as a 19-year-old clerk in 1951 because he was two years too young
to apply for an officer's position. Dean rose to the rank of sergeant. A severe off-duty car accident forced him into early retirement in 1973.
Dean was supervisor of security in the basement of Dallas police headquarters on Nov. 24, 1963 -- the day that Lee Harvey Oswald, the man accused of killing President John F. Kennedy
two days prior, was to be transferred from the city jail to the Dallas County jail.
It was in that basement that Dallas nightclub owner Jack Ruby stepped through a throng of reporters and shot and killed Oswald with a .38-caliber pistol.
Dean said in testimony during Ruby's trial that less than an hour after the shooting, he was escorting Ruby upstairs for questioning when Ruby said, "I killed the son-of-a-bitch because I
didn't want Jackie Kennedy to be hurt anymore.'
Dean's testimony was a pivotal part of the prosecution's case, but later was declared inadmissible by a state Appeals Court.
Survivors include his wife, Shirley, of Tyler; one daughter, Tivilla Hoff of Dallas; two sons, Darrell Dean and Tony Dean, both of Tyler; and one grandson.
Two memorial services will be held Tuesday -- at 10 a.m. at Burks-Walker-Tippit Funeral Home in Tyler and at 2:30 p.m. at the Brook Hollow Baptist Church, 135 West Wintergreen Road, DeSoto.

USA TODAY (Arlington, VA) - August 19, 1988
Deceased Name: Patrick "Trevore" Dean
TEXAS: Patrick "Trevore" Dean , 56, police sergeant on duty in the Dallas City Hall basement Nov. 24, 1963; first to interrogate Jack Ruby after Lee Harvey Oswald was shot. Cancer, Friday in Tyler.
USA TODAY (Arlington, VA)
Date: August 19, 1988
Page: 10a
Record Number: 126715
Copyright © 1988 Gannett Co., Inc. All rights reserved.

PATRICK TREVORE DEAN
Birth: Mar. 17, 1932
Death: Aug. 13, 1988
Policeman
Family links:
Spouse:
Shirley Wright Dean (1934 - 2010)
Burial:
Laurel Land Memorial Park
Dallas
Dallas County
Texas, USA

Created by: NWO
Record added: Nov 18, 2013
Find A Grave Memorial# 120506280


A Record from Mary Ferrell's Database
Record: DEAN, PATRICK TREVORE (SGT.)
Sources: WC 5 (244-48, 254-58); WC 12 (415-449); WC 13 (50-4, 79-81); CE 2159; CD 897 (54-55); CD 1043 (1-2); CD 1116; HSCA Report (158); HSCA IV (554, 580-2, 584, 591);
HSCA IX (137-41, 144, 1124-27); Accessories After the Fact, Meagher (23-4, 407-8, 410-5); Best Evidence, Lifton (99); Coincidence or Conspiracy?, Fensterwald (108-10);
Conspiracy, Summers (486-87, 490-92); Cover-Up, Shaw & Harris (23-4); Forgive My Grief I, Jones (37, 67, 69; 73-4; 77-8); Inquest, Epstein (100); Moment of Madness, Gertz (553);
Photographic Whitewash, Weisberg (40, 56); Plot to Kill the President, Blakey & Billings (320-4, 330, 333); Rush to Judgment, Lane (18, 227, 392-5); Who Was Jack Ruby?, Kantor
(2-5, 61-2, 73, 75, 114, 125, 149-50. 153, 160-3); Continuing Inquiry, 4/22/79 (1-3); Continuing Inquiry, 1/22/80 (6-7); Dallas Morning News Sun. 8/14/88, p. 41-A; 89A-DL-60165-45 (MMF 2444)
Mary's
Comments: Dallas Police Sgt. Friend of Jack Ruby. Dean gave contradictory accounts. Died 8/13/88 in Tyler, Texas. Survived by wife Shirley Dean of Tyler*, daughter Tivilla Hoff of Dallas, sons Darrell and Tony
of Tyler. Wife supposed to have been daughter of O. P. Wright of Parkland Hospital. O. P. Wright's second wife was Elizabeth Good, nurse who came to Parkland from Florida shortly before Assassination
* see No More Silence Shirley Weir also see
CD 4
Commission Document 4 - FBI Clements Report of 30 Nov 1963 re: Ruby pg 642
Found in: Warren Commission Documents
Date 11/28/63 MISS SHIRLEY Y. WEIR Apartment 211 223 Ewing Street Dallas Texas advised that she had never seen JACK RUBY and does not know him.
MISS WEIR stated that after JACK RUBY was arrested one of her boyfriends, a Dallas police officer named BOBBY DALE told her that RUBY had
always been friendly with the Dallas police officers and always talked to any police officers he had met.

excerpt of Interview of Bobby Joe Dale p 138-39
from No More Silence
"When Oswald would come out of the office and down the hall, what I observed was that he seemed
to be toying with everybody else. He knew what he was doing and seemed very confident. He acted
like he was in charge and, as it turned out, he probably was.
I was off the following day, as I had already made arrangements to attend the wedding of a friend
of mine in Oklahoma. In fact, many of the motorcycle officers were off duty. About the only time
this subject came up with the motorcycle officers after this was over was when an officer was
asked to come to the Warren Commission or be questioned elsewhere. It wasn't something that
we sat around and talked about. I guess we thought about it, but we didn't talk about it, unless
somebody was called to Washington. Coincidentally, on one of those flights, my wife who was
a stewardess for American, ran into P. T. Dean, who also was going to Washington to testify.
Since American had a policy about stewardesses not being married, she passed him a note
saying, "I'm Shirley Weir, but I'm not supposed to be married." She figured that he would
say something since we all knew each other. Before we were married, she also lived in
an apartment at Thornton and Ewing above Jack Ruby, though she really didn't know him.
END

A Record from Mary Ferrell's Database
Record: WRIGHT, O. P. (WIFE: ELIZABETH L. WRIGHT)
Sources: WC Vol 6, pp. 110, 139, 152; WC Vol 21, pp. 229-232; HSCA Vol 1, p. 442; Inquest, Epstein, p. 64; The Assassination of John F. Kennedy, Duffy and Ricci, pp. 516-517; High Treason, Groden and Livingstone, p. 66
Mary's Comments: Security Officer at Parkland Memorial Hospital. Sgt. Patrick Dean's wife, Shirley Dean, was allegedly the daughter of O. P. Wright.

Dallas Morning News, The (TX) - December 30, 2010
Deceased Name: Shirley Wright Dean
Coppell, TX
Dean , Shirley Wright 76 went to be with her family in Heaven on December 27, 2010. Preceded in death by husband Patrick Trevore Dean , parents O.P. "Pokey" Wright and Joe Madeline Kerr Wright and grandson
Brandon Lamar. Survived by daughter Tivilla Lamar and partner Kim Luedy; sons Darrell Dean and Tony Dean & wife Marsha; grandchild Leah; sister, Raylene Gadberry; two nephews, and six great-nieces and
nephews all of the Dallas area. Shirley was devoted to her family and was proud of belonging to the DPD Family there. She was a member of Calvary Baptist Church, was one of the first officers in the Dallas Police
Officers Wives Auxiliary and was a past president of the Chapel Hill Educational Secretary's Assn. She was the first woman ever elected to the Board of Trustees of the Chapel Hill Independent School District in East Texas.
Shirley 's children believe that the Coppell Senior Citizens Center, and the many friends that she made there, added years to her life and life to her years...and they will always be grateful. Shirley will be missed by all those who
knew and loved her. Funeral services will be held on Friday, December 31, 2010 at 12:00pm in the chapel of Laurel Land Funeral Home with visitation 1 hr. prior. Burial will follow at Laurel Land Memorial Park.

3/24/74
DMN page 43
Otis Pope (Pokey) Wright, 10575 Cromwell
Survived by wife, Mrs. Elizabeth Wright;
daughters, Shirley Dean, Carrollton, Mrs.
Raylene Stillwell, Irving. stepson, Irving O.
Good; stepdaughter, Miss Allen C. Johnson,
Alexandria, Louisiana; six grandchildren;
sisters Miss Charlcie Wright, Miss March Wright,
Mrs. J.E. Wilson, all of Dallas.
brothers, Paul Wright, Delbert Wright, Dallas;
Samuel Wright, Clarksville, Georgia
Services 2:00 pm Monday, Calvary Baptist Church,
Rev. F. K. Mullendore, Chaplain Herman Cook,
Rev. Clyde Box and Dr. Dan Kent officiating;
Internment Laurel Land.
Pallbearers T. A. Vines, Norman Gillett,
C. Jack Price, Robert Scott, Bennie Scott,
Jesse Curry. Honorary pallbearers:
Security Department at Parkland Hospital,
Dallas Police Department and Dallas Sheriff's
Department. Remains will lie in state at
Lamar Smith until 1:00 pm Monday
LAMAR & SMITH FUNERAL HOME
800 W. JEFFERSON 946-2146

OTIS P. WRIGHT
Birth: Apr. 6, 1906
Arkansas, USA
Death: Mar. 22, 1974
Dallas
Dallas County
Texas, USA

Buried on March 25, 1974.
He died in Parkland Hospital.
Chief of Security - Parkland Hospital
Social Security Number 457-40-9714
Home at death: 10575 Cromwell, Dallas
His parents were Robert D. Wright & Effie Carter.
Source of above information: Death Certificate
He has become famous by being associated with the President John F. Kennedy assassination. He is the person who turned the "Magic Bullet" (Warren Commission Exhibit 399) over to Secret Service Agent
Richard E. Johnsen. The bullet was found on a stretcher by Darrell Carlisle Tomlinson, who called Wright over.
Burial:
Laurel Land Memorial Park
Dallas
Dallas County
Texas, USA
Created by: NWO
Record added: Sep 10, 2008
Find A Grave Memorial# 29717026







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I tried to assimilate the most pertinent information, and I hope that everybody familiar with the whole Dallas element of the assassination

weighs in, and as egotistical as I do not want to seem, I think there may be some new facts in here, as well as a feeling Patrick Dean

may have been an insider regarding the whole "estate" business, the one that was "being guarded" on 11/22/63, although that is speculative

on my part...

OFFICER WHO HEARD JACK RUBY'S CONFESSION DIES

The Dallas Morning News - Sunday, August 14, 1988

Patrick T. Dean, 56, the Dallas police officer who said he heard Jack Ruby confess to killing Lee Harvey Oswald, died Saturday afternoon in a Tyler hospital after a lengthy illness.

A Tyler native, Dean moved to Dallas as a child and lived there most of his life. He joined the Dallas Police Department as a 19-year-old clerk in 1951 because he was two years too young

to apply for an officer's position. Dean rose to the rank of sergeant. A severe off-duty car accident forced him into early retirement in 1973.

Dean was supervisor of security in the basement of Dallas police headquarters on Nov. 24, 1963 -- the day that Lee Harvey Oswald, the man accused of killing President John F. Kennedy

two days prior, was to be transferred from the city jail to the Dallas County jail.

It was in that basement that Dallas nightclub owner Jack Ruby stepped through a throng of reporters and shot and killed Oswald with a .38-caliber pistol.

Dean said in testimony during Ruby's trial that less than an hour after the shooting, he was escorting Ruby upstairs for questioning when Ruby said, "I killed the son-of-a-bitch because I

didn't want Jackie Kennedy to be hurt anymore.'

Dean's testimony was a pivotal part of the prosecution's case, but later was declared inadmissible by a state Appeals Court.

Survivors include his wife, Shirley, of Tyler; one daughter, Tivilla Hoff of Dallas; two sons, Darrell Dean and Tony Dean, both of Tyler; and one grandson.

Two memorial services will be held Tuesday -- at 10 a.m. at Burks-Walker-Tippit Funeral Home in Tyler and at 2:30 p.m. at the Brook Hollow Baptist Church, 135 West Wintergreen Road, DeSoto.

USA TODAY (Arlington, VA) - August 19, 1988

Deceased Name: Patrick "Trevore" Dean

TEXAS: Patrick "Trevore" Dean , 56, police sergeant on duty in the Dallas City Hall basement Nov. 24, 1963; first to interrogate Jack Ruby after Lee Harvey Oswald was shot. Cancer, Friday in Tyler.

USA TODAY (Arlington, VA)

Date: August 19, 1988

Page: 10a

Record Number: 126715

Copyright © 1988 Gannett Co., Inc. All rights reserved.

PATRICK TREVORE DEAN

Birth: Mar. 17, 1932

Death: Aug. 13, 1988

Policeman

Family links:

Spouse:

Shirley Wright Dean (1934 - 2010)

Burial:

Laurel Land Memorial Park

Dallas

Dallas County

Texas, USA

Created by: NWO

Record added: Nov 18, 2013

Find A Grave Memorial# 120506280

A Record from Mary Ferrell's Database

Record: DEAN, PATRICK TREVORE (SGT.)

Sources: WC 5 (244-48, 254-58); WC 12 (415-449); WC 13 (50-4, 79-81); CE 2159; CD 897 (54-55); CD 1043 (1-2); CD 1116; HSCA Report (158); HSCA IV (554, 580-2, 584, 591);

HSCA IX (137-41, 144, 1124-27); Accessories After the Fact, Meagher (23-4, 407-8, 410-5); Best Evidence, Lifton (99); Coincidence or Conspiracy?, Fensterwald (108-10);

Conspiracy, Summers (486-87, 490-92); Cover-Up, Shaw & Harris (23-4); Forgive My Grief I, Jones (37, 67, 69; 73-4; 77-8); Inquest, Epstein (100); Moment of Madness, Gertz (553);

Photographic Whitewash, Weisberg (40, 56); Plot to Kill the President, Blakey & Billings (320-4, 330, 333); Rush to Judgment, Lane (18, 227, 392-5); Who Was Jack Ruby?, Kantor

(2-5, 61-2, 73, 75, 114, 125, 149-50. 153, 160-3); Continuing Inquiry, 4/22/79 (1-3); Continuing Inquiry, 1/22/80 (6-7); Dallas Morning News Sun. 8/14/88, p. 41-A; 89A-DL-60165-45 (MMF 2444)

Mary's

Comments: Dallas Police Sgt. Friend of Jack Ruby. Dean gave contradictory accounts. Died 8/13/88 in Tyler, Texas. Survived by wife Shirley Dean of Tyler*, daughter Tivilla Hoff of Dallas, sons Darrell and Tony

of Tyler. Wife supposed to have been daughter of O. P. Wright of Parkland Hospital. O. P. Wright's second wife was Elizabeth Good, nurse who came to Parkland from Florida shortly before Assassination

* see No More Silence Shirley Weir also see

CD 4

Commission Document 4 - FBI Clements Report of 30 Nov 1963 re: Ruby pg 642

Found in: Warren Commission Documents

Date 11/28/63 MISS SHIRLEY Y. WEIR Apartment 211 223 Ewing Street Dallas Texas advised that she had never seen JACK RUBY and does not know him.

MISS WEIR stated that after JACK RUBY was arrested one of her boyfriends, a Dallas police officer named BOBBY DALE told her that RUBY had

always been friendly with the Dallas police officers and always talked to any police officers he had met.

excerpt of Interview of Bobby Joe Dale p 138-39

from No More Silence

"When Oswald would come out of the office and down the hall, what I observed was that he seemed

to be toying with everybody else. He knew what he was doing and seemed very confident. He acted

like he was in charge and, as it turned out, he probably was.

I was off the following day, as I had already made arrangements to attend the wedding of a friend

of mine in Oklahoma. In fact, many of the motorcycle officers were off duty. About the only time

this subject came up with the motorcycle officers after this was over was when an officer was

asked to come to the Warren Commission or be questioned elsewhere. It wasn't something that

we sat around and talked about. I guess we thought about it, but we didn't talk about it, unless

somebody was called to Washington. Coincidentally, on one of those flights, my wife who was

a stewardess for American, ran into P. T. Dean, who also was going to Washington to testify.

Since American had a policy about stewardesses not being married, she passed him a note

saying, "I'm Shirley Weir, but I'm not supposed to be married." She figured that he would

say something since we all knew each other. Before we were married, she also lived in

an apartment at Thornton and Ewing above Jack Ruby, though she really didn't know him.

END

A Record from Mary Ferrell's Database

Record: WRIGHT, O. P. (WIFE: ELIZABETH L. WRIGHT)

Sources: WC Vol 6, pp. 110, 139, 152; WC Vol 21, pp. 229-232; HSCA Vol 1, p. 442; Inquest, Epstein, p. 64; The Assassination of John F. Kennedy, Duffy and Ricci, pp. 516-517; High Treason, Groden and Livingstone, p. 66

Mary's Comments: Security Officer at Parkland Memorial Hospital. Sgt. Patrick Dean's wife, Shirley Dean, was allegedly the daughter of O. P. Wright.

Dallas Morning News, The (TX) - December 30, 2010

Deceased Name: Shirley Wright Dean

Coppell, TX

Dean , Shirley Wright 76 went to be with her family in Heaven on December 27, 2010. Preceded in death by husband Patrick Trevore Dean , parents O.P. "Pokey" Wright and Joe Madeline Kerr Wright and grandson

Brandon Lamar. Survived by daughter Tivilla Lamar and partner Kim Luedy; sons Darrell Dean and Tony Dean & wife Marsha; grandchild Leah; sister, Raylene Gadberry; two nephews, and six great-nieces and

nephews all of the Dallas area. Shirley was devoted to her family and was proud of belonging to the DPD Family there. She was a member of Calvary Baptist Church, was one of the first officers in the Dallas Police

Officers Wives Auxiliary and was a past president of the Chapel Hill Educational Secretary's Assn. She was the first woman ever elected to the Board of Trustees of the Chapel Hill Independent School District in East Texas.

Shirley 's children believe that the Coppell Senior Citizens Center, and the many friends that she made there, added years to her life and life to her years...and they will always be grateful. Shirley will be missed by all those who

knew and loved her. Funeral services will be held on Friday, December 31, 2010 at 12:00pm in the chapel of Laurel Land Funeral Home with visitation 1 hr. prior. Burial will follow at Laurel Land Memorial Park.

3/24/74

DMN page 43

Otis Pope (Pokey) Wright, 10575 Cromwell

Survived by wife, Mrs. Elizabeth Wright;

daughters, Shirley Dean, Carrollton, Mrs.

Raylene Stillwell, Irving. stepson, Irving O.

Good; stepdaughter, Miss Allen C. Johnson,

Alexandria, Louisiana; six grandchildren;

sisters Miss Charlcie Wright, Miss March Wright,

Mrs. J.E. Wilson, all of Dallas.

brothers, Paul Wright, Delbert Wright, Dallas;

Samuel Wright, Clarksville, Georgia

Services 2:00 pm Monday, Calvary Baptist Church,

Rev. F. K. Mullendore, Chaplain Herman Cook,

Rev. Clyde Box and Dr. Dan Kent officiating;

Internment Laurel Land.

Pallbearers T. A. Vines, Norman Gillett,

C. Jack Price, Robert Scott, Bennie Scott,

Jesse Curry. Honorary pallbearers:

Security Department at Parkland Hospital,

Dallas Police Department and Dallas Sheriff's

Department. Remains will lie in state at

Lamar Smith until 1:00 pm Monday

LAMAR & SMITH FUNERAL HOME

800 W. JEFFERSON 946-2146

OTIS P. WRIGHT

Birth: Apr. 6, 1906

Arkansas, USA

Death: Mar. 22, 1974

Dallas

Dallas County

Texas, USA

Buried on March 25, 1974.

He died in Parkland Hospital.

Chief of Security - Parkland Hospital

Social Security Number 457-40-9714

Home at death: 10575 Cromwell, Dallas

His parents were Robert D. Wright & Effie Carter.

Source of above information: Death Certificate

He has become famous by being associated with the President John F. Kennedy assassination. He is the person who turned the "Magic Bullet" (Warren Commission Exhibit 399) over to Secret Service Agent

Richard E. Johnsen. The bullet was found on a stretcher by Darrell Carlisle Tomlinson, who called Wright over.

Burial:

Laurel Land Memorial Park

Dallas

Dallas County

Texas, USA

Created by: NWO

Record added: Sep 10, 2008

Find A Grave Memorial# 29717026

Robert,

Great post!

Interesting possible "magic bullet" provenance: Patrick Dean > His wife's father, O.P. Wright, Chief of Security at Parkland Hospital > O.P. Wright's 2nd wife, a nurse who had come to Parkland Hospital shortly before the assassination.

Tangentially, I've read that Patrick Dean failed a polygraph test in which he was asked questions about Jack Ruby's access to the police department basement on 11/24/63. Anyone know anything about that?

Peter Dale Scott says that Dean freely admitted that Dallas mafioso Joe Civello had given him lots of information over the years which led to many (relatively "small time") narcotics arrests and convictions. Scott's very plausible theory is that the DPD (Sgt. Dean and Lt. Jack Revill in particular) turned a blind eye towards Civello's own big-time narcotics trafficking operations (which likely included Jack Ruby). Civello's narcotics associates definitely included mafioso Joseph Ianni, whose sister Frances Ianni married into the Vallone family of Houston (Rose Cheramie mentioned a "Pete Vallone" in connection with the heroin deal that was supposed to go down in Galveston and Houston right before the assassination).

See posts #36 and #43 on this thread: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=1600

So what we seem to have here is 1) Carlos Marcello-connected Joe Civello and Jack Ruby giving information about Dallas area narcotics cases to DPD Sgt. Patrick Dean in exchange for preferential treatment, 2) Jack Ruby's being in the police department basement on 11/24/63 with the probable help of Sgt. Patrick Dean, and 3) a "magic bullet" at Parkland Hospital which might be traceable back to the same Sgt. Patrick Dean who, interestingly enough, allegedly failed a polygraph exam about the manner in which Ruby had gotten into the basement.

--Tommy :sun

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Thanks Tom.

I wanted to wait until I found more corroborating information, before I

responded. There is a book by Mitch Helpern?, not sure that

states the "magic bullet" was found on a schoolboy's stretcher,

or something to that effect. At any rate, the downside to "how

all this happened" at Parkland sadly, does not seem to include

Jack Ruby dropping off the bullet on a stretcher, as chronicled

in Oliver Stone's JFK, but it might be worth reminding

that a Bay of Pigs veteran Rodolfo Godinez, was a

anesthesiologist at Parkland, Dr. Crenshaw, of course

has his input, although his book only mentions O.P. Wright

once, if you go to youtube. there is a clip where Wright

discusses the bullet from the time of the assassination,

not in some 50 year retrospective, thank goodness.

Here's the other obit....

Former Deputy Chief, 'Pokey' Wright Dies;
Dallas Morning News; 03-23-1974; Page: 5;
Otis Pope "Pokey" Wright, 67, of 10575 Cromwell Drive,
retired deputy chief of police, with the Dallas Police
Department died at 8:06 pm Friday in Parkland Memorial
Hospital. Wright had been chief of Security at Parkland
since its opening in 1962. His wife, Elizabeth is director
of nursing there.
A native of Pine Bluff, Ark., he moved with his parents to
Dallas in his early childhood. Wright served with the Dallas
Police Department 28 years before retiring in 1958 as
deputy chief of police in command of the patrol bureau.
He served as chief deputy constable in Precinct 7 for
four years after retiring from the Dallas police force.
Wright also served as chief of the police security force
at the State Fair during the late 1940's. He was a member
of the Calvary Baptist Church and the Hilltoppers Club
of the Oak Cliff Chamber of Commerce and was a former
director of the Oak Cliff Lions Club. Funeral services
will be held at 2 pm in the Calvary Baptist Church.
Burial will be in Laurel Land Memorial Park.
He is survived by his wife Elizabeth, two daughters,
one stepson, one step daughter, three brothers,
two sisters and six grandchildren.

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I tried to assimilate the most pertinent information, and I hope that everybody familiar with the whole Dallas element of the assassination

weighs in, and as egotistical as I do not want to seem, I think there may be some new facts in here, as well as a feeling Patrick Dean

may have been an insider regarding the whole "estate" business, the one that was "being guarded" on 11/22/63, although that is speculative

on my part...

OFFICER WHO HEARD JACK RUBY'S CONFESSION DIES

The Dallas Morning News - Sunday, August 14, 1988

Patrick T. Dean, 56, the Dallas police officer who said he heard Jack Ruby confess to killing Lee Harvey Oswald, died Saturday afternoon in a Tyler hospital after a lengthy illness.

A Tyler native, Dean moved to Dallas as a child and lived there most of his life. He joined the Dallas Police Department as a 19-year-old clerk in 1951 because he was two years too young

to apply for an officer's position. Dean rose to the rank of sergeant. A severe off-duty car accident forced him into early retirement in 1973.

Dean was supervisor of security in the basement of Dallas police headquarters on Nov. 24, 1963 -- the day that Lee Harvey Oswald, the man accused of killing President John F. Kennedy

two days prior, was to be transferred from the city jail to the Dallas County jail.

It was in that basement that Dallas nightclub owner Jack Ruby stepped through a throng of reporters and shot and killed Oswald with a .38-caliber pistol.

Dean said in testimony during Ruby's trial that less than an hour after the shooting, he was escorting Ruby upstairs for questioning when Ruby said, "I killed the son-of-a-bitch because I

didn't want Jackie Kennedy to be hurt anymore.'

Dean's testimony was a pivotal part of the prosecution's case, but later was declared inadmissible by a state Appeals Court.

Survivors include his wife, Shirley, of Tyler; one daughter, Tivilla Hoff of Dallas; two sons, Darrell Dean and Tony Dean, both of Tyler; and one grandson.

Two memorial services will be held Tuesday -- at 10 a.m. at Burks-Walker-Tippit Funeral Home in Tyler and at 2:30 p.m. at the Brook Hollow Baptist Church, 135 West Wintergreen Road, DeSoto.

USA TODAY (Arlington, VA) - August 19, 1988

Deceased Name: Patrick "Trevore" Dean

TEXAS: Patrick "Trevore" Dean , 56, police sergeant on duty in the Dallas City Hall basement Nov. 24, 1963; first to interrogate Jack Ruby after Lee Harvey Oswald was shot. Cancer, Friday in Tyler.

USA TODAY (Arlington, VA)

Date: August 19, 1988

Page: 10a

Record Number: 126715

Copyright © 1988 Gannett Co., Inc. All rights reserved.

PATRICK TREVORE DEAN

Birth: Mar. 17, 1932

Death: Aug. 13, 1988

Policeman

Family links:

Spouse:

Shirley Wright Dean (1934 - 2010)

Burial:

Laurel Land Memorial Park

Dallas

Dallas County

Texas, USA

Created by: NWO

Record added: Nov 18, 2013

Find A Grave Memorial# 120506280

A Record from Mary Ferrell's Database

Record: DEAN, PATRICK TREVORE (SGT.)

Sources: WC 5 (244-48, 254-58); WC 12 (415-449); WC 13 (50-4, 79-81); CE 2159; CD 897 (54-55); CD 1043 (1-2); CD 1116; HSCA Report (158); HSCA IV (554, 580-2, 584, 591);

HSCA IX (137-41, 144, 1124-27); Accessories After the Fact, Meagher (23-4, 407-8, 410-5); Best Evidence, Lifton (99); Coincidence or Conspiracy?, Fensterwald (108-10);

Conspiracy, Summers (486-87, 490-92); Cover-Up, Shaw & Harris (23-4); Forgive My Grief I, Jones (37, 67, 69; 73-4; 77-8); Inquest, Epstein (100); Moment of Madness, Gertz (553);

Photographic Whitewash, Weisberg (40, 56); Plot to Kill the President, Blakey & Billings (320-4, 330, 333); Rush to Judgment, Lane (18, 227, 392-5); Who Was Jack Ruby?, Kantor

(2-5, 61-2, 73, 75, 114, 125, 149-50. 153, 160-3); Continuing Inquiry, 4/22/79 (1-3); Continuing Inquiry, 1/22/80 (6-7); Dallas Morning News Sun. 8/14/88, p. 41-A; 89A-DL-60165-45 (MMF 2444)

Mary's

Comments: Dallas Police Sgt. Friend of Jack Ruby. Dean gave contradictory accounts. Died 8/13/88 in Tyler, Texas. Survived by wife Shirley Dean of Tyler*, daughter Tivilla Hoff of Dallas, sons Darrell and Tony

of Tyler. Wife supposed to have been daughter of O. P. Wright of Parkland Hospital. O. P. Wright's second wife was Elizabeth Good, nurse who came to Parkland from Florida shortly before Assassination

* see No More Silence Shirley Weir also see

CD 4

Commission Document 4 - FBI Clements Report of 30 Nov 1963 re: Ruby pg 642

Found in: Warren Commission Documents

Date 11/28/63 MISS SHIRLEY Y. WEIR Apartment 211 223 Ewing Street Dallas Texas advised that she had never seen JACK RUBY and does not know him.

MISS WEIR stated that after JACK RUBY was arrested one of her boyfriends, a Dallas police officer named BOBBY DALE told her that RUBY had

always been friendly with the Dallas police officers and always talked to any police officers he had met.

excerpt of Interview of Bobby Joe Dale p 138-39

from No More Silence

"When Oswald would come out of the office and down the hall, what I observed was that he seemed

to be toying with everybody else. He knew what he was doing and seemed very confident. He acted

like he was in charge and, as it turned out, he probably was.

I was off the following day, as I had already made arrangements to attend the wedding of a friend

of mine in Oklahoma. In fact, many of the motorcycle officers were off duty. About the only time

this subject came up with the motorcycle officers after this was over was when an officer was

asked to come to the Warren Commission or be questioned elsewhere. It wasn't something that

we sat around and talked about. I guess we thought about it, but we didn't talk about it, unless

somebody was called to Washington. Coincidentally, on one of those flights, my wife who was

a stewardess for American, ran into P. T. Dean, who also was going to Washington to testify.

Since American had a policy about stewardesses not being married, she passed him a note

saying, "I'm Shirley Weir, but I'm not supposed to be married." She figured that he would

say something since we all knew each other. Before we were married, she also lived in

an apartment at Thornton and Ewing above Jack Ruby, though she really didn't know him.

END

A Record from Mary Ferrell's Database

Record: WRIGHT, O. P. (WIFE: ELIZABETH L. WRIGHT)

Sources: WC Vol 6, pp. 110, 139, 152; WC Vol 21, pp. 229-232; HSCA Vol 1, p. 442; Inquest, Epstein, p. 64; The Assassination of John F. Kennedy, Duffy and Ricci, pp. 516-517; High Treason, Groden and Livingstone, p. 66

Mary's Comments: Security Officer at Parkland Memorial Hospital. Sgt. Patrick Dean's wife, Shirley Dean, was allegedly the daughter of O. P. Wright.

Dallas Morning News, The (TX) - December 30, 2010

Deceased Name: Shirley Wright Dean

Coppell, TX

Dean , Shirley Wright 76 went to be with her family in Heaven on December 27, 2010. Preceded in death by husband Patrick Trevore Dean , parents O.P. "Pokey" Wright and Joe Madeline Kerr Wright and grandson

Brandon Lamar. Survived by daughter Tivilla Lamar and partner Kim Luedy; sons Darrell Dean and Tony Dean & wife Marsha; grandchild Leah; sister, Raylene Gadberry; two nephews, and six great-nieces and

nephews all of the Dallas area. Shirley was devoted to her family and was proud of belonging to the DPD Family there. She was a member of Calvary Baptist Church, was one of the first officers in the Dallas Police

Officers Wives Auxiliary and was a past president of the Chapel Hill Educational Secretary's Assn. She was the first woman ever elected to the Board of Trustees of the Chapel Hill Independent School District in East Texas.

Shirley 's children believe that the Coppell Senior Citizens Center, and the many friends that she made there, added years to her life and life to her years...and they will always be grateful. Shirley will be missed by all those who

knew and loved her. Funeral services will be held on Friday, December 31, 2010 at 12:00pm in the chapel of Laurel Land Funeral Home with visitation 1 hr. prior. Burial will follow at Laurel Land Memorial Park.

3/24/74

DMN page 43

Otis Pope (Pokey) Wright, 10575 Cromwell

Survived by wife, Mrs. Elizabeth Wright;

daughters, Shirley Dean, Carrollton, Mrs.

Raylene Stillwell, Irving. stepson, Irving O.

Good; stepdaughter, Miss Allen C. Johnson,

Alexandria, Louisiana; six grandchildren;

sisters Miss Charlcie Wright, Miss March Wright,

Mrs. J.E. Wilson, all of Dallas.

brothers, Paul Wright, Delbert Wright, Dallas;

Samuel Wright, Clarksville, Georgia

Services 2:00 pm Monday, Calvary Baptist Church,

Rev. F. K. Mullendore, Chaplain Herman Cook,

Rev. Clyde Box and Dr. Dan Kent officiating;

Internment Laurel Land.

Pallbearers T. A. Vines, Norman Gillett,

C. Jack Price, Robert Scott, Bennie Scott,

Jesse Curry. Honorary pallbearers:

Security Department at Parkland Hospital,

Dallas Police Department and Dallas Sheriff's

Department. Remains will lie in state at

Lamar Smith until 1:00 pm Monday

LAMAR & SMITH FUNERAL HOME

800 W. JEFFERSON 946-2146

OTIS P. WRIGHT

Birth: Apr. 6, 1906

Arkansas, USA

Death: Mar. 22, 1974

Dallas

Dallas County

Texas, USA

Buried on March 25, 1974.

He died in Parkland Hospital.

Chief of Security - Parkland Hospital

Social Security Number 457-40-9714

Home at death: 10575 Cromwell, Dallas

His parents were Robert D. Wright & Effie Carter.

Source of above information: Death Certificate

He has become famous by being associated with the President John F. Kennedy assassination. He is the person who turned the "Magic Bullet" (Warren Commission Exhibit 399) over to Secret Service Agent

Richard E. Johnsen. The bullet was found on a stretcher by Darrell Carlisle Tomlinson, who called Wright over.

Burial:

Laurel Land Memorial Park

Dallas

Dallas County

Texas, USA

Created by: NWO

Record added: Sep 10, 2008

Find A Grave Memorial# 29717026

Robert,

Great post!

Interesting possible provenance of the "magic bullet": Patrick Dean > His wife's father, O.P. Wright, Chief of Security at Parkland Hospital > O.P. Wright's 2nd wife, a nurse who had come to Parkland Hospital shortly before the assassination.

Tangentially, I've read that Patrick Dean failed a polygraph test in which he was asked questions about Jack Ruby's access to the police department basement on 11/24/63. Does anyone here know anything about that?

Peter Dale Scott says that Patrick Dean freely admitted that Dallas mafioso Joe Civello had given him lots of information over the years which led to many narcotics arrests and convictions of Civello's competitors. Scott's very plausible theory is that in return, the DPD, and Patrick Dean in particular, turned a blind eye towards Civello's own big-time narcotics trafficking operations (which likely included Jack Ruby).

Side note: It's interesting to note that Civello's narcotics associates included Dallas mafioso Joseph Ianni, whose sister Frances Ianni married into the Vallone family of Houston (Rose Cheramie mentioned a "Pete Vallone" in connection with the heroin deal that was supposed to go down in Galveston and Houston right before the assassination). See posts #36 and #43 on this thread: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=1600

So what we seem to have here is 1) Carlos Marcello-connected Joe Civello and Jack Ruby giving information to DPD Sgt. Patrick Dean on Dallas area narcotics cases in exchange for preferential treatment, 2) Jack Ruby's being placed in the police department basement on 11/24/63 with the probable help of Sgt. Patrick Dean, and 3) a "magic bullet" at Parkland Hospital which appears to be traceable back to the same Sgt. Patrick Dean who, interestingly enough, allegedly failed a polygraph exam about the manner in which Ruby had gotten into the basement...

--Tommy :sun

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Paragraph 559 at the link below includes the bit on Dean failing a polygraph.

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=955&relPageId=147

Thanks Pat.

I would like to see the questions Dean was asked and particularly those to which he responded in such a deceptive manner as to cause him fail the exam.

I would also like to know if the questions he was asked were the same ones that he himself had written up and suggested that he be asked. It would be strange for him to "show deception" on any question that he himself had suggested.

Does anyone know if his polygraph exam is viewable online, or in a book, or will I have to drive my old camper van to the National Archives in College Park, Maryland to see it?

--Tommy :sun

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On 6/3/2014 at 6:47 PM, Robert Howard said:

The URL below is the only Patrick Dean testimony on the web I am aware of. He also testified in Jack Ruby's trial, if I am not mistaken.

http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/dean1.htm

Testimony Of Patrick T. Dean : Vol. V, p. 254

The President's Commission reconvened at 2 p.m. (Chairman Warren presiding and Mr. Dulles present.)

The CHAIRMAN - All right, gentlemen.
Do you have a statement? 
Mr. RANKIN - Sergeant Dean asked if he couldn't appear before the Commission and testify. We took his deposition in Dallas, and he asked, when he signed his deposition, whether he couldn't appear personally, so we are permitting him to do this. 
The CHAIRMAN - We are very happy to have you, Sergeant. Will you raise your right hand and be sworn, please?
You solemnly swear the testimony you are about to give before the Commission shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? 
Mr. DEAN - I do. 
The CHAIRMAN - Be seated, please.
Mr. Rankin, you may examine the witness. 
Mr. RANKIN - Sergeant, will you give us your name, your address, please? 
Mr. DEAN - Patrick T. Dean. I live at 2822 Nicholson Drive in Dallas. 
Mr. RANKIN - Are you connected with the police department in Dallas? 
Mr. DEAN - Yes, sir. 
Mr. RANKIN - What is your position? 
Mr. DEAN - I am a sergeant on patrol. 
Mr. RANKIN - How long have you been an official in the police department? 
Mr. DEAN - Eleven and a half years. 
Mr. RANKIN - Will you tell us briefly any training or experience you have had? 
Mr. DEAN - Well, I worked as a patrolman for 5 years. Then I was promoted to sergeant and remained in the patrol division. I have since been in the patrol division the rest of the time. 
Mr. RANKIN - You have given us your deposition, have you not, Sergeant? 
Mr. DEAN - Yes, sir. 
Mr. RANKIN - And is that correct and true as far as anything you know? 
Mr. DEAN - Yes, sir. 
Mr. RANKIN - Is there any part of it that you want to change or correct or modify? 
Mr. DEAN - No, sir; I feel the main reason I wanted to appear before the Commission was about the 20 or 25 minutes that was off the record that I feel I would like the Commission to have on the record, and this is between Mr. Griffin and I. He was the original one who started my deposition. 
Mr. RANKIN - Well, do you want to tell that at this time?
First, is there anything about what you said on the record that was not correct? 
Mr. DEAN - No, sir. 
Mr. RANKIN - And the truth? 
Mr. DEAN - No, sir.
Well, Mr. Griffin had questioned me about 2 hours, or maybe a little longer. There was no problems at all, no difficulties. And after that length of time, a little over 2 hours, Mr. Griffin desired to get off the record, and he advised the court reporter that he would be off the record and he could go smoke a cigarette or get a Coke, and he would let him know when he wanted him to get back on the record.
Well, after the court reporter left, Mr. Griffin started talking to me in a manner of gaining my confidence in that he would help me and that he felt I would probably need some help in the future.
My not knowing what he was building up to, I asked Mr. Griffin to go ahead and ask me what he was going to ask me. He continued to advise me that he wanted me to listen to what he had to say before he asked me whatever question he was going to ask me. I finally told him that whatever he wanted to ask me he could just ask me, and if I knew I would tell him the truth or if I didn't know, I would tell him I didn't know.
Mr. Griffin took my reports, one dated February 18, the subject of it was an interview with Jack Ruby, and one dated November 26, which was my assignment in the basement.
He said there were things in these statements which were not true and, in fact, he said both these statements, he said there were particular things in there that were not true, and I asked him what portions did he consider not true, and then very dogmatically he said that, "Jack Ruby didn't tell you that he entered the basement via the Main Street ramp."
And, of course, I was shocked at this. This is what I testified to, in fact, I was cross-examined on this, and he, Mr. Griffin, further said, "Jack Ruby did not tell you that he had thought or planned to kill Oswald two nights prior."
And he said, "Your testimony was false, and these reports to your chief of police are false."
So this, of course, all this was off the record. I told Mr. Griffin then this shocked me, and I told him it shocked me; that I couldn't imagine what he was getting at or why he would accuse me of this, and I asked him, and Mr Griffin replied he didn't or he wasn't at liberty to discuss that particular of it with me, and that he wasn't trying to cross-examine me here, but that under cross- examination he could prove that my testimony was false, and that is when I told Mr. Griffin that these are the facts and I can't change them. This is what I know about it.
I quoted Ruby just about verbatim, and since he didn't believe me, and I was saying they were true, we might as well terminate the interview.
Mr. Griffin then got back on the record, or before he did get back on the record, he said, "Well now, Sergeant Dean, I respect you as a witness, I respect you in your profession, but I have offered my help and assistance, and I again will offer you my assistance, and that I don't feel you will be subjecting yourself to loss of your job," or some words to that effect, "If you will go ahead and tell me the truth about it."
I again told Mr. Griffin that these were the facts and I couldn't change them, so with that we got back on the record. 
Mr. RANKIN - Did you ask Mr. Griffin to ever put this part that was off the record on the record? 
Mr. DEAN - No, sir; I didn't. 
Mr. RANKIN - Why didn't you at that time? 
Mr. DEAN - Well, now the discussion was, I said, "Mr. Griffin, I have waived my rights for an attorney, of which I don't feel like I need one." I still don't feel like I need one. 
The CHAIRMAN - And you do not need one either Sergeant. 
Mr. DEAN - True. 
The CHAIRMAN - You will get along all right. 
Mr. DEAN - Thank you.
I said, "I have come over here with the idea of giving you all the information that I have." In fact, I had some additional information that I had gotten the night before, and it was a call that I had received from some man in Victoria, Canada, who said he had a reel of movie film that he had taken of the assassination.
I got this man's name, where he called from, had the police department in Victoria check to crisscross the number, and I gave him the name well, all the information as to where the call had originated from, his name, also this man's attorney, he had given me his name, and I told him that the reason the man had called, had called especially for me at the police department, was that he had a reel of movie film that he had taken the day of the assassination and that these or the camera was on the President at the time of the assassination, and he described to me the position as to where he was, which was across and in trajectory of the line of fire, and that he felt that in addition to the assassination that he had gotten the School Book Depository.
I told Mr. Griffin at the time that I had told this man--I can't remember his name, the FBI has gotten it, and at the time I gave it to Mr. Griffin, I told this man on the telephone from Victoria that night that he should send these things, this film, that he said wasn't developed, to the Warren Commission.
He said, that is when he told me that he had contacted his attorney in Victoria and that his attorney's name was Batter, and he spelled it for me, B-a-t-t-e-r, and his attorney had advised him not to send this information to the Warren Commission but to contact someone in Dallas and send it to them.
This man told me that he had read something about my testimony and that he asked me would it be all right for him to send it to me, and I told him, "Yes," and I said I was supposed to go back to the Warren Commission and he could send it to me, and I would make it available for them.
This was just additional information that I told Mr. Griffin that I was---this is an example---- I was there to help them in any way I could. 
Mr. RANKIN - Now, the differences in your testimony that Mr. Griffin was discussing with you off the record, you have gone into that in detail on the record, haven't you, in your deposition? 
Mr. DEAN - Yes; I believe I have, about how Ruby entered the basement or how he told me how he entered the basement. Also that he had thought two nights prior when he saw Lee Oswald on a showup stand with a sarcastic sneer on his face is when he decided if he got the chance he would kill him. This was the thing that I testified in court about. I was cross-examined in court. 
Mr. RANKIN - And you have explained all that in your deposition, haven't you? 
Mr. DEAN - I believe so; I am not certain. 
Mr. RANKIN - And did he ask you about why you didn't have your--this information about his planning to shoot Oswald the night before, or on the Friday---- 
Mr. DEAN - Now, are you asking did Mr. Griffin ask me why I didn't---- 
Mr. RANKIN - Why you didn't put it in your February--in your statement before the February 18 one? 
Mr. DEAN - Yes, sir; I believe he did, and I explained to him this wasn't the subject--the subject of that November 26 report was my assignment. I didn't put any of the conversation as to what Mr. Sorrels and I talked to Mr. Ruby about. I did put at the closing paragraph, I think, and I have a copy of it here, that my main concern was how he got into the basement and how long he had been there because I was in charge of the security of the basement. 
Mr. RANKIN - So you didn't put it in your prior reports? 
Mr. DEAN - No, sir; this was later on. Chief Curry--I think probably it was February 18---and I think I probably wrote it that day, called me to his office and asked me had I heard all the interview of Ruby and Sorrels, and I told him that I did, and he asked me could I remember it pretty well, and I said, "Yes, I believe I can remember most all of it," and that is when Chief Curry told me that, he said, "Well, you are going to have to testify to it because Mr. Sorrels can't because he says he didn't warn Mr. Ruby when he was questioning him.
Well, this was fine with me. I wrote the report. This was February 18. 
Mr. RANKIN - Did you tell Mr. Griffin at that time that you thought it was unimportant or had some other reason for not including it? 
Mr. DEAN - I believe that I told him that the investigation, the focal point, was as to how he got into the basement. There was an officer, and I knew who the officer was, I assigned him there myself, and I felt this was more of a part of the investigation in which it was investigated--Officer R. E. Vaughan was investigated as to whether or not he let Ruby into the basement or saw him in the basement, and, of course, he was cleared of this. I know of no--the only information I passed on about that was when Jack Ruby told me how he entered. I told my superiors and then they carried it on from there as far as the investigation. 
Mr. RANKIN - And about his planning to shoot him prior to the day that---- 
Mr. DEAN - Now, this wasn't--the only time that I put that in the report was February 18. 
Mr. RANKIN - Yes; did you explain to Mr. Griffin in your prior testimony why you didn't put it in? 
Mr. DEAN - I believe that I did; I am not sure. 
Mr. RANKIN - Do you want to add anything to that, just anything that you wanted, to the Commission? 
The CHAIRMAN - Do you recall whether you were asked that specific question or not, Sergeant? May I ask, Mr. Rankin, was he asked that question, and did he answer it? 
Mr. RANKIN - I have to look at the record to be sure.
Mr. Chief Justice, in answer to your question, he was asked about what was the first time that he had given this information and if this was the date. He was not asked for any explanation as to why he didn't give it at any earlier time. 
The CHAIRMAN - Then we can't blame him if he didn't answer why. 
Mr. RANKIN - No; I just wanted to find out if he wanted to add anything at this time that would complete the record. 
The CHAIRMAN - Yes; all right. 
Mr. DEAN - Well, my main concern has been in some way this got out to the papers. The only thing I told the papers was that I can't give any statement. I said I have no comment, and I feel that the accusation started with my denial because I haven't had an opportunity to deny it. The story came out in the papers and it has been on the radio several times, and, in fact, several times since the original, some weeks or so after the paper learned of it of the so-called rift, as they put it.
They had the one side of it that he accused me of lying. He didn't use the word "lie," he just said, "These are false statements, and when you testified in court you testified falsely." He didn't use the word "lying," and a lot of papers have since then used the word "lying."
I feel like the accusation is a lot stronger than my denial because I haven't denied it. I haven't made any statement at all to press or radio or any news media. I just told them it will have to come from the Warren Commission or some other source. 
Mr. RANKIN - What I was asking, Sergeant, was whether there is anything that you would like to tell the Commission or add to your testimony about why it wasn't in the earlier statement prior to February 18 that you haven't already told us. 
Mr. DEAN - Well, I don't think I would like if I could, I would like to know why Mr. Griffin had accused me of perjury. Of course, this is something for you people to know, but I just--he wouldn't discuss it with me.

The CHAIRMAN - Well, Sergeant, I want to say to you that, of course, without knowing what your conversation was with Mr. Griffin, I have never talked to Mr. Griffin about this. I didn't know that you had this altercation with him, but I want to say this: That so far as the jurisdiction of this Commission is concerned and its procedures, no member of our staff has a right to tell any witness that he is lying or that he is testifying falsely. That is not his business. It is the business of this Commission to appraise the testimony of all the witnesses, and, at the time you are talking about, and up to the present time, this Commission has never appraised your testimony or fully appraised the testimony of any other witness, and furthermore, I want to say to you that no member of our staff has any power to help or injure any witness.
So, so far as that conversation is concerned, there is nothing that will be binding upon this Commission. 
Mr. DEAN - Yes, sir. 
The CHAIRMAN - But, as I say, I don't know what your conversation was with Griffin, but I am just telling you as to what the limitations of the members of our staff are. 
Mr. DEAN - Yes, sir; thank you. That is about all I had. 
Mr. RANKIN - That is all I have, Mr. Chief Justice. 
The CHAIRMAN - Well, thank you, Sergeant, for coming and feeling as you do, I am glad you had the frankness to come and talk to the Commission, and offer to testify concerning it. 
Mr. DEAN - Thank you. I appreciate the opportunity. 
The CHAIRMAN - All right, Sergeant. 
Mr. DEAN - Thank you. It is nice to have met you. 
Mr. RANKIN - Waggoner, do you want to take the stand for a minute about that conversation? 
The CHAIRMAN - You are going to ask the General about it? Have you been sworn?

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