Hitler's Favorite Banker Hjalmar Schacht: 11:30 meet [Old] Warsaw ( + Hotel) with T. and Hjalmar / Ilse - Get $ — November 7, 1963

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

On 4/23/2023 at 11:13 AM, Leslie Sharp said:

Did he not have time to say during questioning, "and I saw this guy shoot Kennedy"?

The October 25 datebook entry indicates definitively that Oswald is the patsy, "— set in place."  

In the ensuing days, the details of the conspiracy to murder Kennedy in Dealey unfolded. Suggesting Oswald was oblivious is, on its face, illogical.

Yes Oswald did have chances to say that he saw a guy shoot jfk.

U  are saying that there was a conspiracy to kill jfk & that Oswald was not in on it?

Or that Oswald was in on it but did not get to hold a rifle?

Ok a question for u -- if Oswald was a patsy then how did the conspirators arrange for Oswald to be arrested?

Edited April 25, 2023 by Marjan Rynkiewicz

[Evan Marshall]

Why go outside the US for funding or shooters? Plenty of monied folks who were distressed by JFK and plenty of skilled and enthusiastic killers in the US.

[Leslie Sharp]

 

         . . . What do France in December 1942, World War II, and the French Resistance—precisely where our story begins—have to do with the assassination of the 35th president of the United States, John F. Kennedy, the event that shattered the American landscape? This chapter will begin to reveal that the roots of our great American tragedy dive deeply into European soil two decades back, at a time when democracies and monarchies hung by mere threads in the face of National Socialist Germany’s military juggernaut and when all hands and all means were called upon to save the Allies from defeat.

As we shall read, the comrades in this monumental effort produced strange bedfellows and shifting expedient alliances that joined anti-National Socialists with French pro-fascist terrorists and gangsters, anti-communists, anti-monarchists, Allied commandos, all of whom exploited the means of assassination to advance their collective and sometimes contradictory ends. It’s clear from the outset that this chapter, and the fullness of the book, will not argue that the assassination in Dallas was a new weapon in the arsenal of war and international affairs. Far from it. The beginnings, described here, establish the foundation for what eventually evolved into a complex set of interrelated aims, enterprises, individuals and methods that ultimately triggered the murder of an American president. The events described in this chapter provided the tip of the spear for what ultimately became a kind of assassination incorporated. — Albarelli, Coup in Dallas

[Leslie Sharp]

Returning now to the assassination of Darlan which serves as template for the future set-up of Lee Harvey Oswald as “the perfect patsy” on November 22, 1963, soon after the execution of Francois Darlan’s assassin, Fernand Bonnier, there were scattered and persistent reports that the young Frenchman had been a patsy of sorts and that he was not an avid monarchist but was only an impressionable, somewhat naïve, youth, who had been manipulated toward murderous ends by skillful others. This belief stems from the fact that Bonnier’s “friend,” Henri d’Astier, while active in La Cagoule, on several occasions joined Filliol in carrying out a devious tactic for ridding La Cagoule of suspected double-agent members by manipulating them into veiled assassination efforts during which it would be highly likely that they would be captured or killed. Filliol dubbed this manipulation “the pigeon way.” Here, one is easily reminded of the quote by CIA official Miles Copeland: “You can sometimes gain points in the war of dirty tricks by killing an expendable person on your own side and blaming it on the other when considering this type of lethal deception.” And in mid-November 1963, Pierre Lafitte, in New Orleans, would jot down in his datebook: “On the wings of murder. The pigeon way for unsuspecting Lee [Oswald]. Clip, clip his wings,” no doubt a reference to Jean Filliol’s tactic of manipulation within his assassin camps. 

 

 

[Evan Marshall]

Again, why bother with foreigners' who might out everyone else if thing get tough. There were American corporations who got filthy rich like Hiller Helicopter over Vietnam and a large talent pool of US shooters.

[Leslie Sharp]

1 hour ago, Evan Marshall said:

Again, why bother with foreigners' who might out everyone else if thing get tough. There were American corporations who got filthy rich like Hiller Helicopter over Vietnam and a large talent pool of US shooters.

I thought the excerpt would provide you some insight that the assassination was an extension of the Cold War. Considering it through an Americentric lens has stalled the investigation for decades.

The question of "who/what got rich" from Vietnam is equivalent to asking, "how long is a piece of string?"

The team of US team is identified — Canon, Askins, Johnson, and those who served as spotters — all of whom were fueled by extremist ideology bound up in fifteen years' loyalty to Willoughby and those he aligned with. Kennedy needed to go. The international team was handpicked by Otto Skorzeny and Jean Souetre ... do you really think they didn't have a pool of loyal psychopaths to draw from — La Cagoule-types whose motives were ideologically driven? Americans believe Dallas was "special, one of a kind, the murder of the century." This was just another assassination in their world.

Edited April 30, 2023 by Leslie Sharp

[Evan Marshall]

I knew Charley and he simply couldn't keep his mouth shut about all the unarmed people he murdered, and Jack was certainly capable of a such an act and could keep his mouth shut. But I knew him too and having talked to him on several occasions he was a great advocate of the handgun not the rifle. And again, it's not how long the string is but how many banks it stopped at.

I don't know your background, but I rubbed elbows with these folks AND had dinner on several occasions with Vegas Mafia and Agency friends. Knew several Green Berets and separately, Phoenix alumni.

 

I have a good friend who was involved in several events and simply disappeared into retirement. He had a significant number of people who he had put in the ground and never talked about them. There is simply a huge number of folks in this country who could have done much better than it was done.  Ruby? You have to be kidding. 

 

Edited May 1, 2023 by Evan Marshall

[Paul Brancato]

Evan - how can anyone here, or anyone browsing, know you are not just full of hot air? It’s all sounds kinda convincing, but you don’t offer any bonafides. When asked for details you retreat under a banner of necessary secrecy. You’re over 80 by your own statements. Most of the names that float around are of dead people. If you are here to share hidden knowledge which you have and we lack, provide enough details so your words can be verified. If that’s not why you are here, what is the reason? It seems to me, were I to take you at your word, that you have important inside knowledge. Are you the kid with the special ice cream cone that everyone wants to try but no one gets too because you’d rather tease everyone than share? If you’re not here to actually share, then you’re that kid. 

[Leslie Sharp]

5 hours ago, Evan Marshall said:

I knew Charley and he simply couldn't keep his mouth shut about all the unarmed people he murdered, and Jack was certainly capable of a such an act and could keep his mouth shut. But I knew him too and having talked to him on several occasions he was a great advocate of the handgun not the rifle. And again, it's not how long the string is but how many banks it stopped at.

I don't know your background, but I rubbed elbows with these folks AND had dinner on several occasions with Vegas Mafia and Agency friends. Knew several Green Berets and separately, Phoenix alumni.

 

I have a good friend who was involved in several events and simply disappeared into retirement. He had a significant number of people who he had put in the ground and never talked about them. There is simply a huge number of folks in this country who could have done much better than it was done.  Ruby? You have to be kidding. 

 

Evan, I'm not questioning whether you knew Canon and/or Askins personally, although I would note a significant age difference with Askins, and fairly significant difference with Canon so presumably they weren't exactly your peers. I assume you're not suggesting they would have told you about their involvement had they been in Dealey? And out of curiosity, what were the circumstances of your meetings with them? Professional, personal, casual, gun-related a.k.a. NRA; and remind me, did you know Harlon B. Carter?

 

. . .a letter from Joseph Milteer (himself a racist and far right associate of Willoughby and Walker) to Charles Askins pertaining to a forthcoming meeting of one of the myriad clandestine organizations that the radical right was running during the ’60s, indicating very “hush-hush” stuff. 

As seen below, Milteer’s letter to Askins references a gathering on October 8,9,10, 1963. Under the heading "Joseph A. Milteer and the H. L. Hunt Oil Company”* Jeffrey Caulfield writes,  

 

What Miller’s “success” with Hunt Oil company was, in regard to the "SURVIVAL meeting” (as Milteer typed it in a letter) is not clear, although the Hunts were prodigious contributors to the far right.  Evidence presented in Chapter Seven that Milteer handled money for the national far right was suggested by his establishment of a bank account in Provo, Utah, under an assumed name.  In another letter, Milteer wrote to Colonel Charles Askins from San Antonio, Texas, and stated he had just written Colonel Stahl regarding a “SURVIVAL meeting” to be held near Montgo0mery, Alabama, on October 8, 9, and 10 and wished to invite Askins too.  The group planned on meeting at the Coliseum Motel before moving to an undisclosed meeting place.  Milteer wrote that a barbecue dinner was planned, prepared by a white person that they could trust.  Milteer stated, “every precaution has been taken for our welfare and the meeting will not be bugged.  Nor will there be any intruders.  The nature of the meeting was not discussed.  Milteer expected that twenty to thirty individuals would attend and some were noted to have an interest in the Constitution Party.  He stated that there would be no publicity.  Milteer wrote a similar invitation to William Ferrasie of New Jersey.  In another letter, Milteer wrote “George” and stated that the “SURVIVAL meeting” could not be held in Atlanta, due to fears that it would be bugged.  He told him, “We are anxious to get matters started our way and get the show on the road.”

The meaning of the ’SURVIVAL meeting” remains a mystery, but given the distance the attendees were expected to travel, the meeting was evidently of great importance.  Moreover, it was the first time Milteer spoke of attending a meeting where careful security measures were being taken . . . ‘

 

*Note: Caufield notes that Miller's meeting at Hunt Oil was in 1965, but it’s unclear whether he had known Hunt at the time of his correspondence with Askins et al in 1963.

 

Edited May 1, 2023 by Leslie Sharp