More P.U. From Slate.com

[Benjamin Cole]

LHO is obviously guilty according to Slate.com, and the real story is how easy it was for him to get guns. 

"But sometimes Americans fell for conspiracy theories because those theories offered mystery and uncertainty when the simple truth belied the world’s seeming complexity. Take the discovery that a disgruntled 24-year-old Communist sympathizer named Lee Harvey Oswald, trained in marksmanship by the United States Marines, could so easily buy a weapon of war and use it to murder a president."---Slate.

So...the JFKA becomes a platform for a gun-control message from Slate, based on LHO's obvious guilt. 

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/11/oswald-weapons-rifle-pistol-kennedy-assassination.html

The HSCA?

The large body or work by serious researchers that raise questions about the official WC JFKA narrative?

Especially about how many gunman there were in Dealy Plaza on 11/22? 

Not a breath about Paul Landis? 

 

Edited November 25, 2023 by Benjamin Cole

[Michael Griffith]

On 11/24/2023 at 9:25 PM, Benjamin Cole said:

LHO is obviously guilty according to Slate.com, and the real story is how easy it was for him to get guns. 

"But sometimes Americans fell for conspiracy theories because those theories offered mystery and uncertainty when the simple truth belied the world’s seeming complexity. Take the discovery that a disgruntled 24-year-old Communist sympathizer named Lee Harvey Oswald, trained in marksmanship by the United States Marines, could so easily buy a weapon of war and use it to murder a president."---Slate.

So...the JFKA becomes a platform for a gun-control message from Slate, based on LHO's obvious guilt. 

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/11/oswald-weapons-rifle-pistol-kennedy-assassination.html

The HSCA?

The large body or work by serious researchers that raise questions about the official WC JFKA narrative?

Especially about how many gunman there were in Dealy Plaza on 11/22? 

Not a breath about Paul Landis? 

The article repeats the claim that it was entirely understandable that a gun enthusiast such as Weitzman mistook the 6.5 Italian Carcano for a 7.65 German Mauser, never mind that the Carcano had "MADE ITALY" and "CAL. 6.5" clearly stamped on it. Both Weitzman and Boone identified the rifle as a Mauser in their initial written statements, but then later claimed they were mistaken. 

[Benjamin Cole]

26 minutes ago, Michael Griffith said:

The article repeats the claim that it was entirely understandable that a gun enthusiast such as Weitzman mistook the 6.5 Italian Carcano for a 7.65 German Mauser, never mind that the Carcano had "MADE ITALY" and "CAL. 6.5" clearly stamped on it. Both Weitzman and Boone identified the rifle as a Mauser in their initial written statements, but then later claimed they were mistaken. 

I think only Boone made the "Made in Italy" stamp claim. 

I have never delved too deeply into this particular topic, but others say the photographs taken of a DPD'er carrying the rifle out of the TSBD do match with the Mannlicher-Carcano. 

My guess is the M-C rifle was in fact the one they found. The likely reason to have LHO mail order the rifle was to create a paper trail. 

But who knows? 

 

[Charles Blackmon]

On 11/24/2023 at 9:25 PM, Benjamin Cole said:

 "the discovery that a disgruntled 24-year-old Communist sympathizer named Lee Harvey Oswald.."

 

That was the purpose of the legend-building. If these so-called reporters would just take the time to learn their subject before opening their traps maybe they wouldn't be such parrots.

[Robert Burrows]

Not a surprise, coming from a cyber-rag like Slate.

[Michael Griffith]

1 hour ago, Benjamin Cole said:

I think only Boone made the "Made in Italy" stamp claim. 

I have never delved too deeply into this particular topic, but others say the photographs taken of a DPD'er carrying the rifle out of the TSBD do match with the Mannlicher-Carcano. 

My guess is the M-C rifle was in fact the one they found. The likely reason to have LHO mail order the rifle was to create a paper trail. 

But who knows? 

The alleged murder rifle itself (CE 139) has "MADE ITALY" and "CAL. 6.5" stamped on it. It also has "Terni" and the Italian royal crown as part of the Terni factory symbol stamped on it. It is hard to imagine how anyone could have missed those markings. 

If this was an intel operation, which I think it was, there would have been a lot of compartmentalization. The sixth-floor team that hid their rifle in between the boxes may not have known that their rifle would be swapped out for a different weapon. I've always found it odd that it took so long for Lt. Day to depart the building with the alleged murder weapon. 

[Pat Speer]

3 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:

I think only Boone made the "Made in Italy" stamp claim. 

I have never delved too deeply into this particular topic, but others say the photographs taken of a DPD'er carrying the rifle out of the TSBD do match with the Mannlicher-Carcano. 

My guess is the M-C rifle was in fact the one they found. The likely reason to have LHO mail order the rifle was to create a paper trail. 

But who knows? 

 

Not only does the film of Day leaving the building show an M/C rifle, but the film of Day and Fritz inspecting the rifle on the sixth floor--footage made by Tom Alyea within a few minutes of the rifle's discovery--shows an M/C rifle. 

Well, this begs the question... IF a different rifle was found, and was quickly switched out for an M/C rifle, why did none of those standing around notice this?

No, actually there's a better question... IF the M/C rifle was on the sixth floor at the time the other rifle was found, well, why didn't "they" arrange for this rifle to be found before the other rifle was found, and then call off the search, whereby they could quietly remove the other rifle from the building? 

There are many questions that have been asked, and many that have been inadequately answered, or answered in a manner suggesting there was more than one shooter. But the mistaken ID of the relatively obscure rifle is not one of them. Let it rest. 

 

[Michael Griffith]

23 hours ago, Pat Speer said:

Not only does the film of Day leaving the building show an M/C rifle, but the film of Day and Fritz inspecting the rifle on the sixth floor--footage made by Tom Alyea within a few minutes of the rifle's discovery--shows an M/C rifle. 

Well, this begs the question... IF a different rifle was found, and was quickly switched out for an M/C rifle, why did none of those standing around notice this?

No, actually there's a better question... IF the M/C rifle was on the sixth floor at the time the other rifle was found, well, why didn't "they" arrange for this rifle to be found before the other rifle was found, and then call off the search, whereby they could quietly remove the other rifle from the building? 

There are many questions that have been asked, and many that have been inadequately answered, or answered in a manner suggesting there was more than one shooter. But the mistaken ID of the relatively obscure rifle is not one of them. Let it rest. 

Here's an even better question: How in the world could Weitzman and Boone have missed the "MADE ITALY" and "CAL. 6.5" markings on the weapon and confused the weapon for a 7.65 German Mauser, bearing in mind that many Mausers have "Mauser" stamped on them and that Craig said the weapon was stamped "Mauser"? Even if you choose to believe Craig was lying, it is true that many Mausers are stamped "Mauser" and that the alleged murder weapon has "MADE ITALY" and "CAL. 6.5" clearly stamped on it. 

You can't imagine how one rifle could be quickly swapped for another without anyone noticing? Really? How long would it have taken to hand over one rifle and take the other? 3-4 seconds, if they were slow? But you can't fathom how this could have been done without anyone noticing? Of course not. Because you want the most benign, neatest, no-frills, sterile conspiracy possible.

Edited November 29, 2023 by Michael Griffith

[Pat Speer]

38 minutes ago, Michael Griffith said:

Here's an even better question: How in the world could Weitzman and Boone have missed the "MADE ITALY" and "CAL. 6.5" markings on the weapon and confused the weapon for a 7.65 German Mauser, bearing in mind that many Mausers have "Mauser" stamped on them and that Craig said the weapon was stamped "Mauser"? Even if you choose to believe Craig was lying, it is true that many Mausers are stamped "Mauser" and that the alleged murder weapon has "MADE ITALY" and "CAL. 6.5" clearly stamped on it. 

You can't imagine how one rifle could be quickly swapped for another without anyone noticing? Really? How long would it have taken to hand over one rifle and take the other? 3-4 seconds, if they were slow? But you can't fathom how this could have been done without anyone noticing? Of course not. Because you want the most benign, neatest, no-frills, sterile conspiracy possible.

And you want the most blithering drool on the floor theory possible, where everything is switched and faked for no reason. The M/C rifle found in the depository was inadequate to fire three accurate shots in the timing required. It had prints on it that went unidentified, and a print that was supposedly lifted that is as suspicious as heck. When you add in that it was too long to fit in the bag in which it was supposedly transported, without being broken down, well, then, the rifle is actually a strong piece of evidence for Oswald's defense. 

And that's not even to mention that the very men you rely upon to claim the rifle was a Mauser, were still in the area when what you say was a different rifle was photographed by Alyea. So, in your pretending their first recollections are unimpeachable, you are simultaneously making them out to be dolts. 

[Michael Griffith]

On 11/29/2023 at 12:57 PM, Pat Speer said:

And you want the most blithering drool on the floor theory possible, where everything is switched and faked for no reason. The M/C rifle found in the depository was inadequate to fire three accurate shots in the timing required. It had prints on it that went unidentified, and a print that was supposedly lifted that is as suspicious as heck. When you add in that it was too long to fit in the bag in which it was supposedly transported, without being broken down, well, then, the rifle is actually a strong piece of evidence for Oswald's defense. 

And that's not even to mention that the very men you rely upon to claim the rifle was a Mauser, were still in the area when what you say was a different rifle was photographed by Alyea. So, in your pretending their first recollections are unimpeachable, you are simultaneously making them out to be dolts. 

As seems to be your habit, you once again misrepresent my arguments and ignore contrary evidence. I have never said, or even implied, that "everything is switched and faked." 

And once again you sound like a WC apologist making their strawman argument of "it was not a perfect conspiracy so there was no conspiracy because a conspiracy would have made no mistakes." 

A Mauser murder weapon would have made the three shells conveniently left in plain even more suspect. 

You brush aside the fact that Weitzman carefully examined the rifle, the same rifle that, according to you, had "MADE ITALY" and "CAL. 6.5" clearly stamped on it, but somehow, say you, mistook it for a 7.65 German Mauser. 

Again, swapping the rifle would have taken a matter of a few seconds. 

[Pat Speer]

2 minutes ago, Michael Griffith said:

As seems to be your habit, you once again misrepresent my arguments and ignore contrary evidence. I have never said, or even implied, that "everything is switched and faked." 

And once again you sound like a WC apologist making their strawman argument of "it was not a perfect conspiracy so there was no conspiracy because a conspiracy would have made no mistakes." 

A Mauser murder weapon would have made the three shells conveniently left in plain even more suspect. 

You brush aside the fact that Weitzman carefully examined the rifle, the same rifle that, according to you, had "MADE ITALY" and "CAL. 6.5" clearly stamped on it, but somehow, say you, mistook it for a 7.65 German Mauser. 

Again, swapping the rifle would have taken a matter of a few seconds. 

"Carefully examined"? He testified to taking a glance at the rifle when it was on the floor and covered with boxes, and that he remained there when Fritz and Day came over and Fritz ejected a shell. This is precisely what is shown in the Alyea film, only it isn't a Mauser, is it?