Henry Kissinger: The Passing of Doctor Death

[James DiEugenio]

Micah:

Jeanne Kirkpatrick was Ambassador to the UN under Reagan.

She made her name in the conservative community by publishing an essay called Dictatorships and Double Standards.

Her argument was just what I said it was.  

It echoed what Kissinger  said about the issue.  That leftwing dictatorships  allow no human rights, but right wing ones do.

No joke. ✌️

 

[Michael Crane]

I just wanted to give a big shoutout real quick to my buddy Dr.Jack Kevorkian,who never had a single successful case of medical malpractice brought against him.

 

Carry on....

[James DiEugenio]

In my talk in Pittsburgh, titled "The Death of Kennedy and the Rise of the Neocons", I made a point of sharing a discovery about the neocons that I never thought I would stumble upon.

Richard Perle

Eliot Abrams

Paul  Wolfowitz

Jeanne Kirkpatrick

Frank Gaffney

All came from Senator Henry Jackson's staff or volunteers.  In other words, the guts of the Neocon revolution came from a Democrat.

But prior to that, the first Neocon victory was the Halloween Massacre under Jerry Ford.

[David McLean]

in its Dr K death article,The New York Times quoted him as justifying the Vietnam War because it “bought the US ten years”. Think about that! Ten years from the onset of troops and bombing is 1965-75, but ten years to the Paris Agreement for a cease fire and US withdrawal is 1963-73.  That struck me like a thunderbolt. 
Kennedy’s death cleared the way for Op Plan 34a, the Gulf of Tonkin, the cancellation of JFKs Indonesian  visit set for 1964 and his hopes for avoiding a landwar in Indochina. Nixon and Lodge got their revenge and yes the Bundys (being the best and brightest) went along with them.

My take on the war rationale is this: by 1963 American power in the Far East was in the balance. Ike’s Japan 1960 visit to renew the occupation was cancelled by student riots, the Socialist candidate was  stabbed to death on TV, Syngman Rhee was replaced after student unrest in ROKorea, Indonesia was teetering and  the US bases in  the Philippines were unpopular. A massive and violent show of force,that would  both terrorise and polarise, would buy time for the US, which is exactly what happened.

Triggered by the events in Dallas, the bombing and killing and massacres by America and its puppets went on and on and on

[James DiEugenio]

David, that is  something that I did not know Henry K said for public consumption.

A war in Indochina bought us ten years in Asia?

Ten year of what? The Phoenix Program, the useless reign of Thieu, the drug running of Ky, B-52's over Cambodia?  And just recall, Kissinger was around for the entire gradual collapse of Sihanouk through the overthrow of Lon Nol by the Khmer Rouge.

Reminds me of Nixon's utterly silly, "Helpless giant speech".  Hundreds of thousands killed over that one.

And just recall, the agreement they got in 1973, was not at all that different from the one they could have had in 1969.

[Miles Massicotte]

7 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

In my talk in Pittsburgh, titled "The Death of Kennedy and the Rise of the Neocons", I made a point of sharing a discovery about the neocons that I never thought I would stumble upon.

Richard Perle

Eliot Abrams

Paul  Wolfowitz

Jeanne Kirkpatrick

Frank Gaffney

All came from Senator Henry Jackson's staff or volunteers.  In other words, the guts of the Neocon revolution came from a Democrat.

But prior to that, the first Neocon victory was the Halloween Massacre under Jerry Ford.

Jim that is really interesting. I started reading a little more about Henry Jackson just now to find out about him and I saw this quote from a speech he gave in 1979: 

"I believe that international terrorism is a modern form of warfare against liberal democracies. I believe that the ultimate but seldom stated goal of these terrorists is to destroy the very fabric of democracy. I believe that it is both wrong and foolhardy for any democratic state to consider international terrorism to be 'someone else's' problem.... Liberal democracies must acknowledge that international terrorism is a 'collective problem.'"

That sounds an awful lot like the neo-con platform to me

[James DiEugenio]

It does Miles.

And the more I read about Jackson, the  more I was convinced that his office was where the neocon movement really spiraled into a true force on the scene.

That is why I made him the focus of a whole section of my talk in Pittsburgh.

[Kirk Gallaway]

Dragging on the Vietnam War and the overthrow of Allende would probably be enough to call Kissinger a war criminal. Then there's East Timor!*

Yes to hear the Cambodians tell it, somehow Kissinger's bombing Cambodia unmercifully into the Stone age, brought about just the opposite reaction they wanted and hastened the takeover of the Khmer Rouge,(Rouge meaning Red",)** . Now how could that be?

https://share.icloud.com/photos/091b5_hiaeYDnu1n8s2LTgPuA

Attn: full pictures and short films in Icloud can be  show by opening the second lower thumbnail image.  I don't know why they do it that way!

Re: Cambodia, Michael was right in that the mass purging by the the Khmer Rouge in the later half of the 70's was Communist inspired.

I've been to some of the killing fields. These are now historic sights in Cambodia. This short shows a well where  dissenters were thrown to their death. I have another short where I show a pit with lots of human bones.

https://share.icloud.com/photos/023m1t9ngE6oH8DJ7WDE938Lw

https://share.icloud.com/photos/0e3Nq1IARJMq4WVh8yS0VlUXQ

Legacy of the Khmer Rouge regime

https://share.icloud.com/photos/098SR_EIo_BFx__1dZGByPljw

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I read a more recent 2022 article from Kissinger after the Putin invasion of Ukraine. He urges Peace and proposes a Peace plan by which Russia gives  up all their claim to Crimea and all the occupied territories that they've gained as result of the War in exchange for Ukraine agreeing to never join Nato. I don't believe he even mentioned that Ukraine give up any future admittance to the EU either!

I was dumbstruck! Now why in the world would Putin ever agree to that? I assumed that came about from being 99 years old and being completely out of touch!

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Yes "Scoop Jackson"  Big Kennedy supporter. He was JFK's first choice as a VP in 1960, but decided to go for the Southern strategy with LBJ! Sorry! 

 

**previously Cambodia was historically known to itself as the "Khmer Republic"

*East Timor---https://thediplomat.com/2023/12/henry-kissinger-and-the-murder-of-timor-leste/

Edited December 16, 2023 by Kirk Gallaway

[Benjamin Cole]

16 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

In my talk in Pittsburgh, titled "The Death of Kennedy and the Rise of the Neocons", I made a point of sharing a discovery about the neocons that I never thought I would stumble upon.

Richard Perle

Eliot Abrams

Paul  Wolfowitz

Jeanne Kirkpatrick

Frank Gaffney

All came from Senator Henry Jackson's staff or volunteers.  In other words, the guts of the Neocon revolution came from a Democrat.

But prior to that, the first Neocon victory was the Halloween Massacre under Jerry Ford.

JD-

You bring back memories with Scoop Jackson, sometimes called the "Senator from Boeing."  

Back then (1970s) I was doing volunteer work for some D-Party pol, and that may be when the "tough on defense, liberal on domestic issues" triangulation got its start.  But of course, that also defined LBJ. Carried through the Clinton, Obama, and Biden administrations. 

Back then, and even now, I was uncomfortable with the levels of defense spending, and the increasing lionization of the military. Eisenhower's speech was being realized in life. 

But I never quite agreed with my liberal friends that the commies, or other authoritarian governments of any political stripe, were the good guys. Or even benign. Or even anything less than creepy and contemptible. 

Today we see Putin (not a commie, but a kleptocrat) and Hamas, and Islamo-fascism, and the CCP. 

Some people call Biden or Trump, or the US, fascist. Boy, try living under Hamas. Putin. The CCP. 

The world is never black and white. 

 

 

 

[James DiEugenio]

"I believe that international terrorism is a modern form of warfare against liberal democracies. I believe that the ultimate but seldom stated goal of these terrorists is to destroy the very fabric of democracy. I believe that it is both wrong and foolhardy for any democratic state to consider international terrorism to be 'someone else's' problem.... Liberal democracies must acknowledge that international terrorism is a 'collective problem.'"

Classic quote Miles.

See with Jackson, there was no such thing as detente with the USSR.

And there was no such thing as negotiating with opponents of Israel.

Kennedy was trying to do both.  And that is what I talked about in Pittsburgh.

Kennedy was trying to find a resolution to the Palestinian refugee problem.  And he never let up on that, contrary to popular belief.  

Secondly, unlike Jackson, he was looking at Nasser as a way to solve the big picture problem in the Middle East.  Because Nasser was a socialist and a secularist, who went to war with the Muslim Brotherhood, a radical Islam terror group. And Nasser loved Kennedy and was willing to work with him. 

Today, as I tried to explain in Pittsburgh, the neocons go to war with a Middle East secularist like Assad, and they use and hire a bunch of Islamic fundamentalists to do so, members of ISIS.  It gets so bad, the Russians have to come to his aid because they do not want those guys on their doorstep if Assad is toppled. But the worst part is, Biden and Kerry know that and talk about it. You can find those on You Tube.

This is how far the Neocons have taken this, and what a mockery they have made of Kennedy's policies. And how far down the memory hole the things he was doing have gone.

 

[Benjamin Cole]

1 hour ago, James DiEugenio said:

"I believe that international terrorism is a modern form of warfare against liberal democracies. I believe that the ultimate but seldom stated goal of these terrorists is to destroy the very fabric of democracy. I believe that it is both wrong and foolhardy for any democratic state to consider international terrorism to be 'someone else's' problem.... Liberal democracies must acknowledge that international terrorism is a 'collective problem.'"

Classic quote Miles.

See with Jackson, there was no such thing as detente with the USSR.

And there was no such thing as negotiating with opponents of Israel.

Kennedy was trying to do both.  And that is what I talked about in Pittsburgh.

Kennedy was trying to find a resolution to the Palestinian refugee problem.  And he never let up on that, contrary to popular belief.  

Secondly, unlike Jackson, he was looking at Nasser as a way to solve the big picture problem in the Middle East.  Because Nasser was a socialist and a secularist, who went to war with the Muslim Brotherhood, a radical Islam terror group. And Nasser loved Kennedy and was willing to work with him. 

Today, as I tried to explain in Pittsburgh, the neocons go to war with a Middle East secularist like Assad, and they use and hire a bunch of Islamic fundamentalists to do so, members of ISIS.  It gets so bad, the Russians have to come to his aid because they do not want those guys on their doorstep if Assad is toppled. But the worst part is, Biden and Kerry know that and talk about it. You can find those on You Tube.

This is how far the Neocons have taken this, and what a mockery they have made of Kennedy's policies. And how far down the memory hole the things he was doing have gone.

 

I largely agree with you. 

There was a chance for Mideast secularism to win back then, and indeed Turkey was proudly secularist. 

But the world has changed.

The US backed certain elements against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan, and religious fundamentalism got a huge boost then. 

But not everything that happens is due to US involvement. Large swaths of the world are knuckling under to religious fundamentalism, and endorse terrorism. Why has Turkey joined the fundamentalist tide? I don't know 

On Oct. 8, US students and leftists brought out their keffiyehs. One day after the horrifying Oct. 7 atrocities. 

The same leftists who denied free speech to the non-PC, now champion the First Amendment in defense for those who advocate killing Jews.

The neocons may even be worse.

So it goes....

 

 

 

[James DiEugenio]

Kennedy's approach was a break with the past.

Foster Dulles did not like Nasser's independent and pan Arab streak.  Especially when Nasser recognized Red China. That is one of the reasons America pulled out of the Aswan Dam deal.

Kennedy thought this was misguided since it forced Nasser to go to Moscow.  Unlike Dulles, Kennedy did not hold the fact that Nasser was a member of the Non Aligned Movement against him.

Kennedy, as far back as his 1957 Algeria speech, understood the latent power of Islamic fundamentalism in the area (which exploded in 1979 in Iran).  And he knew that Nasser provided a counter weight to it.  Because Nasser was a secularist and socialist, who fought the Moslem Brotherhood and who maintained that the oil there belonged to all the Arabs, for all of their benefit.

This is why the Saudis hated him.  The Israelis feared him because they knew that he was the one guy who could unite the whole Middle East against them. (Click here for proof of that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair, also see the Suez Crisis)

But Nasser liked JFK since he was the only American politician who 1.) Understood him, and 2.) Was still trying for a settlement for the Palestinian refugees, namely the Joseph Johnson Plan.  For these reasons, author Robert Dreyfuss, no fan of Kennedy, wrote in his fine book that this was probably the last time there could have been an overall peace settlement in the Middle East.

After Kennedy's murder, Johnson went back to the Dulles view of Nasser, except even worse in some respects. Because unlike Kennedy, LBJ greatly favored Israel in that area.  Nasser ended up breaking relations with Washington, and there were anti American riots in Cairo.  Then you had the 1967 war in which the dam broke.

My argument in Pittsburgh was the 1967 war would not have happened if Kennedy had lived. And in fact, when Kennedy was killed over a thousand Egyptians arrived  at the embassy to pen notices of condolences.  Some of them remarked to the effect that , Kennedy was the first American president who really understood the Afro Asian world.