Vince Palamara Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 (edited) I hate to be negative toward any (pro-conspiracy) author trying their best out there (and I have big respect for Gary Shaw and Brian Edwards), but their attempt to rehabilitate the (yikes) Roscoe White story is, with all due respect, an epic fail. Ricky White is back from the pre-internet "dead" and is back with a pretty lame 'scrapbook' that is really much ado about nothing---a bunch of unintelligible scribbles and some pretty nothing-special newspaper cut outs. Quite frankly, my first thought was "Hmmm- how do we know this wasn't RICKY or GENEVA trying to put something together to 'replace' the conveniently stolen-by-the-FBI "diary." The book kind of feels like good ole Texas boys sticking up for their friend, who they say is a good "family man" who wouldn't make stuff up. I WILL concede these points- it is intriguing that Roscoe joined the Dallas Police Department in October 1963 [he is even mentioned in the Warren Commission volumes: 19 H 148], his wife Geneva worked for Ruby (and there is a photo of them together), and the third backyard photo (as noted by the HSCA) was in the hands of Geneva/Roscoe. However, just as Beverly Oliver (NOT the Babushka Lady) was definitely a stripper at the Ruby-rival Colony Club (captioned photos of her from the night of 11/22/63 at the Colony Club are on the Sixth Floor Museum website via the Dallas Times Herald), these kernels of truth do not vouch for the rest of the tale(s). In addition to the conveniently-missing diary, the so-called cables reek of fakery (sorry). "Mandarin"...yeah, right. As for Dr. Mantik's latest book, it is a best-seller and selling like wildfire! It is also his very best (in fact, you don't even need his other two, as everything good from those books is included herein): Edited April 16 by Vince Palamara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Palamara Posted April 16 Author Share Posted April 16 Also- the Admitted Assassin book makes the claim that THIS photo is of Geneva White, Roscoe's wife- is it? Actually, I always thought it was Beverly Oliver [19 H 42]: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Palamara Posted April 16 Author Share Posted April 16 THIS is how good Mantik's book is selling: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Palamara Posted April 16 Author Share Posted April 16 @Denis Morissette Is that black and white photo above Geneva White? Beverly Oliver? Someone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denny Zartman Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 7 minutes ago, Vince Palamara said: Quite frankly, my first thought was "Hmmm- how do we know this wasn't RICKY trying to put something together to 'replace' the conveniently stolen-by-the-FBI "diary." The book kind of feels like good ole Texas boys sticking up for their friend, who they say is a good "family man" who wouldn't make stuff up. Well, there was another diary produced after the first one disappeared, but it was immediately dismissed as a fake produced by Geneva. As I understand it, Ricky was the one who I.D'd this second diary as a fake. Wouldn't that argue for his honesty, rather than against it? And there are other aspects besides Roscoe's link to Oswald, Geneva's link to Ruby, and Roscoe's possession of a heretofore unknown third backyard picture. There's the high powered radio transmitter/receiver and hundreds of spent rifle shells found in Texas near the Mexico border, a place the White family had visited. There's also Roger Craig saying he saw Roscoe on the grassy knoll just after the assassination. I believe this is a important piece of evidence and I'm not sure why people are going out of their way to ignore it. It's also supported by the observations of Ed Hoffman, who reported seeing a man in a policeman's uniform behind the fence on the grassy knoll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Palamara Posted April 16 Author Share Posted April 16 Just now, Denny Zartman said: Well, there was another diary produced after the first one disappeared, but it was immediately dismissed as a fake produced by Geneva. As I understand it, Ricky was the one who I.D'd this second diary as a fake. Wouldn't that argue for his honesty, rather than against it? And there are other aspects besides Roscoe's link to Oswald, Geneva's link to Ruby, and Roscoe's possession of a heretofore unknown third backyard picture. There's the high powered radio transmitter/receiver and hundreds of spent rifle shells found in Texas near the Mexico border, a place the White family had visited. There's also Roger Craig saying he saw Roscoe on the grassy knoll just after the assassination. I believe this is a important piece of evidence and I'm not sure why people are going out of their way to ignore it. It's also supported by the observations of Ed Hoffman, who reported seeing a man in a policeman's uniform behind the fence on the grassy knoll. Bobby Hargis, not Roger Craig. Is there a video/documented proof that Hargis said this? If so, I will concede that this is impressive. Hoffman? Hmmmm- never bought his story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denny Zartman Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 Just now, Vince Palamara said: Bobby Hargis, not Roger Craig. Is there a video/documented proof that Hargis said this? If so, I will concede that this is impressive. Hoffman? Hmmmm- never bought his story. Sorry, I was just about to correct that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denny Zartman Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 1 minute ago, Vince Palamara said: Bobby Hargis, not Roger Craig. Is there a video/documented proof that Hargis said this? If so, I will concede that this is impressive. YouTube - “Michael Brownlow interviews B.W. (Bobby) Hargis Part 1 / 2” 2003 Uploaded by gbm hon 2022 B2fm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denny Zartman Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 3 minutes ago, Denny Zartman said: Well, there was another diary produced after the first one disappeared, but it was immediately dismissed as a fake produced by Geneva. As I understand it, Ricky was the one who I.D'd this second diary as a fake. Wouldn't that argue for his honesty, rather than against it? And there are other aspects besides Roscoe's link to Oswald, Geneva's link to Ruby, and Roscoe's possession of a heretofore unknown third backyard picture. There's the high powered radio transmitter/receiver and hundreds of spent rifle shells found in Texas near the Mexico border, a place the White family had visited. There's also Bobby Hargis saying he saw Roscoe on the grassy knoll just after the assassination. I believe this is a important piece of evidence and I'm not sure why people are going out of their way to ignore it. It's also supported by the observations of Ed Hoffman, who reported seeing a man in a policeman's uniform behind the fence on the grassy knoll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Palamara Posted April 16 Author Share Posted April 16 The cables just reek of fakery, the scrapbook is a big nothing and it is TOO convenient that the diary disappeared. ALSO--Beverly Oliver and Gerry Patrick Hemming knowing Roscoe White does the Roscoe White story no favors LOL! [Hemming is mentioned by Paul Hoch in his newsletter Echoes of Conspiracy as being someone who was saying "oh yeah--I knew Roscie"] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Palamara Posted April 16 Author Share Posted April 16 1 minute ago, Denny Zartman said: Sorry, I was just about to correct that. No problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Palamara Posted April 16 Author Share Posted April 16 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Denny Zartman said: YouTube - “Michael Brownlow interviews B.W. (Bobby) Hargis Part 1 / 2” 2003 Uploaded by gbm hon 2022 B2fm ok---I will concede that this is impressive. @Denny Zartman I am impressed that someone of Hargis' credibility says this on video, as opposed to having to rely on someone vouching for him saying this. Edited April 16 by Vince Palamara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denny Zartman Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 1 minute ago, Vince Palamara said: The cables just reek of fakery, the scrapbook is a big nothing and it is TOO convenient that the diary disappeared. I understand having concerns about the cables. I don't think the diary disappearing is suspicious. If it were real, it certainly would have been something conspirators would want to conceal. The story of the emergency plane landing is documented and certainly appears consistent with the FBI looking for items in Ricky's possession. The scrapbook, I have to disagree with you on. I respect you and your work tremendously, and I'm very interested in your opinions on Roscoe White. But in my view the scrapbook is weird, and there's something about it that I don't think a person faking it would have added. I'll try to elaborate with an example in a separate post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Palamara Posted April 16 Author Share Posted April 16 Just now, Denny Zartman said: I understand having concerns about the cables. I don't think the diary disappearing is suspicious. If it were real, it certainly would have been something conspirators would want to conceal. The story of the emergency plane landing is documented and certainly appears consistent with the FBI looking for items in Ricky's possession. The scrapbook, I have to disagree with you on. I respect you and your work tremendously, and I'm very interested in your opinions on Roscoe White. But in my view the scrapbook is weird, and there's something about it that I don't think a person faking it would have added. I'll try to elaborate with an example in a separate post. You can see how, circa 1990, many smelled a rat: a huge media explosion, then no diary. Cables that many thought seem fake. Geneva appearing to be looking for a payday. Beverly Oliver and Gerry Hemming coming out of the woodwork saying they knew Roscoe. Then Ricky disappears for 30-plus years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Palamara Posted April 16 Author Share Posted April 16 3 minutes ago, Denny Zartman said: I understand having concerns about the cables. I don't think the diary disappearing is suspicious. If it were real, it certainly would have been something conspirators would want to conceal. The story of the emergency plane landing is documented and certainly appears consistent with the FBI looking for items in Ricky's possession. The scrapbook, I have to disagree with you on. I respect you and your work tremendously, and I'm very interested in your opinions on Roscoe White. But in my view the scrapbook is weird, and there's something about it that I don't think a person faking it would have added. I'll try to elaborate with an example in a separate post. Well, there is hope for me yet, as you won me over with the Hargis video! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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