Robin Unger Posted May 20, 2005 Share Posted May 20, 2005 Was there a bullet hole found in the floor pan of kennedy's limo, when it was stripped back in order to rebuild the car. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted May 20, 2005 Author Share Posted May 20, 2005 (edited) FBI Document: Edited May 20, 2005 by Robin Unger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Gratz Posted May 20, 2005 Share Posted May 20, 2005 Query why the document is stamped: "SOVIET SECTION"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Gratz Posted May 20, 2005 Share Posted May 20, 2005 Great posts, as always, Robin! What is it about you Australians? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Speer Posted May 20, 2005 Share Posted May 20, 2005 (edited) That's great, Robin. Rosen was a piece of work. The man was responsible for establishing the physical facts of the assassination, and yet he refused to look at the autopsy report, the photographs or x-rays, and then wrote memos after the fact to try and blame it on the FBI's sensitivity to the Kennedy family. Here we have him following up on a possible hole in the limo, not because it could be important to the case, but because he's scared the WC might ask Hoover about somewhere down the road. Weak. You wouldn't happen to have a memo with the results of the feebie inquiry with the SS, would you? or did Belmont tell him not to bother? Edited May 20, 2005 by Pat Speer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Forman Posted May 20, 2005 Share Posted May 20, 2005 Robin, Any idea where the hole would have been located? Front left? U.S. NEWS AND WORLD REPORT 12/30/63 apparently had an article about it. - lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Forman Posted May 20, 2005 Share Posted May 20, 2005 One more reference available at NARA. Hit 1 of 1 AGENCY INFORMATION AGENCY : FBI RECORD NUMBER : 124-10011-10497 RECORDS SERIES : HQ AGENCY FILE NUMBER : 105-82555-1ST NR 1282 DOCUMENT INFORMATION ORIGINATOR : FBI FROM : BRENNAN, D. J. TO : SULLIVAN, W. C. TITLE : [No Title] DATE : 01/07/1964 PAGES : 1 DOCUMENT TYPE : PAPER, TEXTUAL DOCUMENT SUBJECTS : KENNEDY, JOHN, PRESIDENTIAL CAR, HOLE FLOOR PAN CLASSIFICATION : UNCLASSIFIED RESTRICTIONS : OPEN IN FULL CURRENT STATUS : OPEN DATE OF LAST REVIEW : 08/24/1993 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted May 20, 2005 Author Share Posted May 20, 2005 Thanks for the comments Tim. I'm not sure what the "SOVIET SECTION" is meant to signify. Pat. So far i haven't found any copy of the "report" on the possible bullet hole, but i am still looking for it. Not holding my breath. Hi Lee. Haven't found any info on the location of the so called "Bullet Hole" yet, still looking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Richards Posted May 20, 2005 Share Posted May 20, 2005 Here's another rebuild image to go with the original one Robin posted. I find the complete bodywork patch job curious to say the least. James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted May 20, 2005 Author Share Posted May 20, 2005 Here's another rebuild image to go with the original one Robin posted. I find the complete bodywork patch job curious to say the least.James <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thanks James. I would like to find the final gov report into this bullet hole story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Richards Posted May 20, 2005 Share Posted May 20, 2005 Robin, Sorry, I attached the wrong image, you having already included that particular one in your earlier posting. For some reason I can't get the right image to attach. I'll try to send it privately. James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted May 20, 2005 Author Share Posted May 20, 2005 (edited) Robin,Sorry, I attached the wrong image, you having already included that particular one in your earlier posting. For some reason I can't get the right image to attach. I'll try to send it privately. James <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No Worries. ! QUOTE: The "Quick Fix" In the wake of the assassination, a task force of some thirty experts, from government and outside, assembled to incorporate lessons learned from the tragedy into a new parade car. A committee of six was appointed, including representatives of the Secret Service, the U.S. Army Materials Research Center, Hess & Eisenhardt, and Pittsburgh Plate Glass. The most practical solution, they decided, was to rebuild the X-100. The White House endorsed the plan. On December 12, the X-100 arrived at the Hess & Eisenhardt Company in Cincinnati, Ohio, the original modifiers of the car. The rebuilding, or "Project D-2" began when the car was officially released by the Warren Commission on December 20. Dubbed the "Quick Fix," the project resulted in: -- improved armoring including a permanent metal top to secure the fixed bullet-resistant glass panels, -- areas re-enforced to accept increased weight of new armor, -- supplemental air-conditioning unit in the trunk to cool the sealed passenger compartment, -- retriming of rear compartment, -- new, hand-built high-compression motor for a 17 percent gain in power. The "Quick Fix" was completed on May 11, 1964 at a cost of over $500,000, shared by Ford Motor Company, some of their suppliers, and the federal government. A major factor in the cost was the production of the bullet-resistant high-grade "water white" glass by Pittsburgh Plate Glass, estimated at $125,000. The 13 glass panels ranged in thickness from one-inch to 1 13/16-inches -- the rear roof section was the largest piece of bullet-resistant cast glass produced to date, weighing in at around 1,500 pounds. The bullet-resisting process involved sandwiching polycarbonate vinyl between each of five layers of plate glass. The car's body armor was primarily 3/8-inch titanium steel plate, costing $13,573. Although its strength makes it difficult to cut and shape, the alloy was used behind the rear seat, within the rear doors and quarter panels, the front roof panel and side roof rails. The rear floor was augmented with 1/8-inch HY-100 steel plate, processing a tensile strength of 100,000 pounds-per-square-inch, effective against bombs and mines. Tires were made bullet-resistant by fastening a solid tire to the rim, to be contained within a regular pneumatic tire. The fuel tank was treated was a new flame-suppressant called "Safom," an open-foamed elastomer developed by Firestone. http://karws.gso.uri.edu/Marsh/Limousine/limo.html Edited May 21, 2005 by Robin Unger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Speer Posted May 21, 2005 Share Posted May 21, 2005 One more reference available at NARA.Hit 1 of 1 AGENCY INFORMATION AGENCY : FBI RECORD NUMBER : 124-10011-10497 RECORDS SERIES : HQ AGENCY FILE NUMBER : 105-82555-1ST NR 1282 DOCUMENT INFORMATION ORIGINATOR : FBI FROM : BRENNAN, D. J. TO : SULLIVAN, W. C. TITLE : [No Title] DATE : 01/07/1964 PAGES : 1 DOCUMENT TYPE : PAPER, TEXTUAL DOCUMENT SUBJECTS : KENNEDY, JOHN, PRESIDENTIAL CAR, HOLE FLOOR PAN CLASSIFICATION : UNCLASSIFIED RESTRICTIONS : OPEN IN FULL CURRENT STATUS : OPEN DATE OF LAST REVIEW : 08/24/1993 <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Has anyone seen this? I bet that's the report, probably saying nothing. I went to the library today to photocopy the U.S. News article and found that some jerk had ripped it out of the magazine! I did notice that Newsweek and Time that week both ran articles discussing the autopsy report and that both reported the incorrect FBI version of the wounds. In other words, Hoover's FBI was leaking info to implicate Oswald before the WC was ready to reveal anything, and showed their hand by spreading the wrong info. Oops! The Feebies were the feebles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Gratz Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 (edited) I also just now noticed that under the reference to Oswald (in the document Robin posted) it states: IS- R- Cuba. Anyone know, or care to speculate, what this means? Edited May 22, 2005 by Tim Gratz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted May 22, 2005 Author Share Posted May 22, 2005 (edited) I also just now noticed that under the reference to Oswald (in the document Robin posted) it states:IS- R- Cuba. Anyone know, or care to speculate, what this means? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Tim . I beleive it stands for "Internal Security-Russia-Cuba" re: this document heading. Edited May 22, 2005 by Robin Unger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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