Frank Sturgis

[John Bevilaqua]

http://cuban-exile.com/doc_276-300/doc0286.html

[RIF 157-10014-10230. Miscellaneous records of the Church Committee. Originating agency CIA.]

2515 N.W. 12nd Street

Miami, Florida 33167

7 May 1976

Mr. Gene Wilson

Information and Privacy Coordinator

Central Intelligence Agency

Washington, D.C. 20205

Re: Pre-freedom of information request notice of charges.

Dear Mr. Wilson:

Before exercising my right to a freedom of information request for copies of any and all available (in accordance with the declassification processes stipulated in Executive Order 11652 and its amendment of January 1974) files of records and documents, both computerized and manual apposite of me and my activities under my present and former names and pseudonyms, I hereby request the complete and final estimate of charges for search and duplication services.

As regards the charges for these services, two matters may be worthy of consideration. The first of them, is that, given the proper access codes, the execution of a computer search is neither difficult nor costly. And the second is that in light of the controversial nature of my past, a waiver or reduction of charges may conduce to the furtherance of the public interest. I therefore respectfully request that these factors be considered in the making of a decision as to the cost of services.

In compliance with your request for identity verification (pursuant to provisions of the 1974 Privacy Act, section 552, subsections b and d) I hereby swear before a notary public as to my name and former names, my present address, my date as well as place of birth, and my citizenship. Thanking you for your cooperation, I am

Yours truly,

Frank Sturgis

a.k.a. Frank Angelo Fiorino

Frank Angelo Fiorini

Frank A. Fiorini

Frank Anthony Sturgis

Frank A. Sturgis

Frank Sturgis

Frank Bonnelli

Frank Campbell

code names:

Federini

Barbarossa

Samson

born 9 December 1924 in Norfolk, Va.

United States of American citizenship

CHRONOLOGICAL SKETCH OF RESIDENCES AND EMPLOYMENT OF:

Frank Sturgis

present address:

2515 N.W. 122nd Street

Miami, Florida 33167

also known as: Frank Anthony Sturgis

Frank A. Sturgis

Frank Angelo Fiorini

Frank A. Fiorini

Frank Fiorini

Frank Angelo Fiorino

1924, Dec. 9--------------------born in Norfolk, Va

1930-1942----------------------resided at 510 High Street, Germantown, Philadelphia, Pa.

1942-1945----------------------U.S. Marine Corps Reserve (Paris is., S.C.; Pacific theater)

1945----------------------------honorable discharge-Klamouth Falls, Ore.

1945----------------------------Miami, Florida

c.1945-1948--------------------Norfolk, Va. adrs: Bank St., etc. joined Norfolk Police Dept.

attended William and Mary College

also attended Virginia Polytechnic Institute

c.1946-employed as manager of the Virginia Tavern on East Main Street

c.1949-employed as owner and manager of the Whitehorse Tavern on East Main Street

c.1948--------------------------enlisted in the U.S. Naval Reserve at Norfolk Naval Air Station

c.1949---------------------------honorable discharge

c.1949-1950--------------------U.S. Merchant Marine traveling to and from Europe.

c.1950-1952--------------------U.S. Army - stationed in Germany

c.1952---------------------------honorable discharge

c.1952-1954--------------------owner-manager of Tophat Nightclub in Virginia Beach, Va.

c.1956-1961--------------------Cuba (Sierra Maestra); Miami, Florida; Mexico; Venezuela,

Costa Rica; Guatemala; Panama; Honduras; Bahama Is.

1958: contact with CIA at US Consulate-Santiago, Cuba

1959: contact with FBI HQ - Washington, DC

1961-1970: Bay of Pigs - CIA control officer Sam Jenis [sanjenis]

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Nice catch.

Guess that settles the issue about his CIA experience doesn't it. Looks like Don Bohning was wrong

about that and John Simkin was right all along. Way to go John.

Sturgis' address in 1976 was close to E. Howard Hunt as well.

2515 N.W. 122nd Street

Miami, Florida 33167

North Miami Avenue which separates the NE and NW sections bisects Biscayne Park

so do not sweat the issue of N.W. vs. N.E.

[William Kelly]

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...mp;#entry167370

1961-1970: Bay of Pigs - CIA control officer Sam Jenis [sanjenis]

http://74.125.45.132/search?

q=cache:kjj6xww3U9EJ:www.onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_300.shtml+Sam+Jenis+CIA+control&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

http://www.onlinejournal.com/artman/publis...ticle_300.shtml

......Imagine the doorman on duty, one Jose Perdomo, supposedly screamed "Leave! Get out of here!" Then he asked Chapman, "Do you know what you've done?" "I just shot John Lennon," Chapman said matter-of-factly. Then we're told, Chapman threw down his gun, took off his coat, folded it at his feet, and calmly started reading a paperback, Catcher in the Rye. Perdomo kicked the gun away. One wonders why Perdomo told him to leave, after reminding him of his crime. Perhaps Perdomo was the shooter and planted the gun.

Imagine, minutes later, Perdomo identified Chapman as the killer as the cops arrived. Patrolman Peter Cullen didn't believe it. He thought Chapman looked too straight. But Perdomo insisted and Officer Steven Spiro arrested Mark. The cops could also see that Lennon was dying. Instead of waiting for an ambulance, they lifted him into a patrol car and rushed him to nearby Roosevelt Hospital. But Lennon died in the emergency room.

Who Was Jose Perdomo?

Imagine Jose Joaquin Sanjenis Perdomo. According to Cuban Information Archives and Salvador Austucia, author of Rethinking John Lennon's Assassination, Perdomo was also known as "Joaquin Sanjenis," and "Sam Jenis." He was mostly known as an anti-Castro Cuban exile and a member of Brigade 2506 during the Bay of Pigs Invasion in 1961, a miserably failed CIA operation, which cost Company Head Allan Dulles his job, and maybe John F. Kennedy his life, also by a mythic lone gunman, who turned out to play patsy, too. In fact, during that evening, while Chapman waited hours for Lennon's return, Perdomo had spoken at length with him about the invasion and Cuban American politics. Strange topics for strangers, one waiting for a rock star......

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/lofivers....php/t4544.html

[John Bevilaqua]

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...mp;#entry167370

1961-1970: Bay of Pigs - CIA control officer Sam Jenis [sanjenis]

http://74.125.45.132/search?

q=cache:kjj6xww3U9EJ:www.onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_300.shtml+Sam+Jenis+CIA+control&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

http://www.onlinejournal.com/artman/publis...ticle_300.shtml

......Imagine the doorman on duty, one Jose Perdomo, supposedly screamed "Leave! Get out of here!" Then he asked Chapman, "Do you know what you've done?" "I just shot John Lennon," Chapman said matter-of-factly. Then we're told, Chapman threw down his gun, took off his coat, folded it at his feet, and calmly started reading a paperback, Catcher in the Rye. Perdomo kicked the gun away. One wonders why Perdomo told him to leave, after reminding him of his crime. Perhaps Perdomo was the shooter and planted the gun.

Imagine, minutes later, Perdomo identified Chapman as the killer as the cops arrived. Patrolman Peter Cullen didn't believe it. He thought Chapman looked too straight. But Perdomo insisted and Officer Steven Spiro arrested Mark. The cops could also see that Lennon was dying. Instead of waiting for an ambulance, they lifted him into a patrol car and rushed him to nearby Roosevelt Hospital. But Lennon died in the emergency room.

Who Was Jose Perdomo?

Imagine Jose Joaquin Sanjenis Perdomo. According to Cuban Information Archives and Salvador Austucia, author of Rethinking John Lennon's Assassination, Perdomo was also known as "Joaquin Sanjenis," and "Sam Jenis." He was mostly known as an anti-Castro Cuban exile and a member of Brigade 2506 during the Bay of Pigs Invasion in 1961, a miserably failed CIA operation, which cost Company Head Allan Dulles his job, and maybe John F. Kennedy his life, also by a mythic lone gunman, who turned out to play patsy, too. In fact, during that evening, while Chapman waited hours for Lennon's return, Perdomo had spoken at length with him about the invasion and Cuban American politics. Strange topics for strangers, one waiting for a rock star......

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/lofivers....php/t4544.html

Amazing piece of information, Bill. That character Astucia (a/k/a Ass-Toot-Cha") once pinned the JFK hit on the Mossad... and blew away his credibility for most JFK researchers but on this go-around he might actually have something. Good thing you forgot about his previous history on alt.conspiracy.jfk, or did you?

By the way, you never answered my question about Sarah McClendon and how she managed to sneak onto the founding board of COPA? Did you and John Judge verify her credentials, her motivations and her previous sordid history as a McCarthyite and MacArthurite or not? Because, as you know, there is convincing evidence that ex-McCarthyites, ex-MacArthurites were, in fact, behind the entire JFK hit? Even Richard Condon, in The Manchurian Candidate, fingered MacArthur, Brig. Gen. Bonner Fellers, EDWARD HUNTER and Major George Racey Jordan and Dick Russell's informant fingered Adolph Tscheppe-Weidenbach in The Man Who Knew Too Much.

McClendon was on the Anti-Communist Liaison - Comm of Correspondence with none other than Charles Willoughby, Alex Rorke, Rev. Billy James Hargis and EDWARD "Brainwashing" HUNTER who was also on Condon's list (see above) in CAPS. You were at that Washington, DC conference when McClendon was there, right? Little old lady confined to a wheelchair? I recall sitting down and having lunch with you one day and then the next day, McClendon and that writer from HighTimes both approached me and McClendon grilled me about Willoughby. It was only a few months after my 2 articles on Willoughby and she did not even bother to identify herself either or discuss her background. Did you know that she was a 1st class Mata Hari McCarthyite biatch for decades while covering the White House for McClendon News Services? Still think that Condon's list was just a coinky-dink?

Had you ever heard of Gordon Hall before he signed up for a COPA subscription? Was Hall involved with COPA as a leader? See Frank Donner: The Age of Surveillance where both Rev. Billy James Hargis and others lambasted Hall for being a snitch, a snoop and an informant for the FBI? Did Hall ever offer to organize your files at COPA? He did that for 2 MIT-based leftist orgs in the 1990's. Was McClendon allowed to participate in the inner circle of COPA? Did she have access to your membership lists and to the topics being addressed by COPA members or at COPA meetings? Did you know that Dr. Hairy Angular grew up in a John Birch Society family and that JBS meetings were held at his childhood home and that he was weaned on the literature of JBS, too? Or that he was allegedly head of a local YAF chapter while in college, as well? He was one of the head honchos at COPA, too, wasn't he? He tried to get me bumped off the speaker's platform as well as I recall, right, but John Judge stood up for me, correct?

What do you make of all this information about McClendon, Hall and Angular now and their relationships with COPA? Even people like Mark Lane from The Liberty Lobby and Leroy Fletcher Prouty were big-time COPA participants, right? And Condon even warned us about The Liberty Lobby as well? Would you say your group had been penetrated by blatant McCarthyites, MacArthurites and outright fascists or not?

Are you now much more open-minded about the thesis that JFK was actually killed by these types of people who had so much blackmail on almost everyone in Congress that they had to just go along and get along? I hope so. Because it is painfully obvious to a lot of people.

[William Kelly]

Does anyone find it interesting that the guy who Frank Sturgis says was his CIA contact was a Bay of Pigs vet and the security doorman at the Dakota and witness to the assassination of John Lennon?

And did anyone notice that Frank Forini lived in Germantown, Philadelphia, within a few blocks of where Ruth Paine worked at a Friends School, except a decade apart?

BK

[John Bevilaqua]

And did anyone notice that Frank Forini lived in Germantown, Philadelphia, within a few blocks of where Ruth Paine worked at a Friends School, except a decade apart?

BK

Wow, so near and yet so far. I take it all back. You are the bomb. Did they go to different schools together? Were they ever Friends? Get it?

Did she come over after School? Did you overhear them discussing a plot to kill JFK? Man, you could have been a contender. Was she a real Paine?

Oh, Germantown, I get it, the Nazi Connection of Mae Brussell? Wow! Was Paine a Nazi? Was Frankie a Nazi? Did they like crumb cake? Got crumbs?

Tell us more! You are getting warmer... warmer... colder... colder... cold... frozen... Case Cold. Now that is some really legitimate research.

Betcha read this whole thing, too.

[William Kelly]

And did anyone notice that Frank Forini lived in Germantown, Philadelphia, within a few blocks of where Ruth Paine worked at a Friends School, except a decade apart?

BK

Wow, so near and yet so far. I take it all back. You are the bomb. Did they go to different schools together? Were they ever Friends? Get it?

Did she come over after School? Did you overhear them discussing a plot to kill JFK? Man, you could have been a contender. Was she a real Paine?

Oh, Germantown, I get it, the Nazi Connection of Mae Brussell? Wow! Was Paine a Nazi? Was Frankie a Nazi? Did they like crumb cake? Got crumbs?

Tell us more! You are getting warmer... warmer... colder... colder... cold... frozen... Case Cold. Now that is some really legitimate research.

Betcha read this whole thing, too.

That Frank Forini lived a few blocks away from where Ruth Paine taught school a decade later is most definately a coincidence.

Germantown is a working class community in North Philadelphia known for its large, brick row houses that have been occupied by Germans, Irish and blacks over different generations.

Nor is it anything more than a conspiracy, as you suggest, that George DeMohrenschildt's third wife, Jean, once lived in the same city in China at a different time as Anastase Vonsiatsky and six million other people.

It is not a coincidence that the Philadelphia based CIA front Catherwood Foundation financially supported both the Catholic Cuban Refuges in Florida, New Orleans and Dallas, AND the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia (to the tune of $500,000 a year), both of which supported suspects in the assassination.

BK

[John Bevilaqua]

And did anyone notice that Frank Forini (sic) lived in Germantown, Philadelphia, within a few blocks of where Ruth Paine worked at a Friends School, except a decade apart?

BK

Wow, so near and yet so far. I take it all back. You are the bomb. Did they go to different schools together? Were they ever Friends? Get it?

Did she come over after School? Did you overhear them discussing a plot to kill JFK? Man, you could have been a contender. Was she a real Paine?

Oh, Germantown, I get it, the Nazi Connection of Mae Brussell? Wow! Was Paine a Nazi? Was Frankie a Nazi? Did they like crumb cake? Got crumbs?

Tell us more! You are getting warmer... warmer... colder... colder... cold... frozen... Case Cold. Now that is some really legitimate research.

Betcha read this whole thing, too.

That Frank Forini (sic) lived a few blocks away from where Ruth Paine taught school a decade later is most definately (sic) a coincidence.

Germantown is a working class community in North Philadelphia known for its large, brick row houses that have been occupied by Germans, Irish and blacks over different generations.

Nor is it anything more than a conspiracy, as you suggest, that George DeMohrenschildt's third wife, Jean, once lived in the same city in China at a different time as Anastase Vonsiatsky and six million other people.

It is not a coincidence that the Philadelphia based CIA front Catherwood Foundation financially supported both the Catholic Cuban Refuges in Florida, New Orleans and Dallas, AND the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia (to the tune of $500,000 a year), both of which supported suspects in the assassination.

BK

NOW I see why you have so much trouble putting 2 + 2 together. I am beginning to see why you have trouble with really understanding just who

George de Mohrenschildt REALLY was. You can not even spell his name correctly, it is NOT George DeMohrenschildt, dude, it is spelled

George de Mohrenschildt like on his Wikipedia page. And definately should be spelled definitely. And suppose should be

supposed, I could go on forever. The "de" in his name just means "of" as in John of Aragon, which identifes his father's last name. In biblical

days it was in the form of Abraham bar Hiyya, Abraham "born of" or "born in" the Hiyya family. Got it? And the name of the person who killed Medgar Evers, Jr. was Byron DeLa Beckwith, pronounced "delay" and it is decidedly NOT Byron De La Beckwith or Byron de la Beckwith, or Byron De LaBeckwith.

"..It is not a coincidence that the Philadelphia based CIA front Catherwood Foundation financially supported both the Catholic Cuban Refuges in Florida, New Orleans and Dallas, AND the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia".

THAT is not against the law and it is usually considered to be a very nice humanitarian gesture, in fact. And the point you are trying to make is so obscure

that it is patently ridiculous and normally considered to be an indication of severe intellectual dishonesty to support preconceived notions. "Begging the Question" or "..leading the witness" as well as what we like to call "faulty or flawed logic."

Even if it was a CIA front (show me the proof) The Catherwood Foundation supported hundreds and thousands of people in need, and some of them, I am positive, ended up with both misdemeanor and felony criminal records, minor traffic tickets, IRS property seizures and criminal charges, bankruptcy proceedings, charges of wife beating, justified or not, accusations of begging the question and twisting the truth to serve some sinister purpose, and they may have been shoplifters, JFK plotters or shooters (show me the proof), or they might have been guilty of chopping down cherry trees as well, or having poor personal hygiene, or being lousy spellers and very, very bad at math. And at one time or another in their lives they probably ate either Domino's or Pizza Hut pizzas. And a lot of them probably ended up as taxi cab drivers, bartenders, night watchmen, casino dealers or other comparable menial labor jobs not requiring a high degree of intelligence. Does that mean that the CIA or the Catherwood Foundation or Domino's or Pizza Hut has to take the rap for all of these other alleged offenses as well? Now that is just patently illogical, intellectually dishonest and typical of your trivial "guilty paymaster or "guilt by dint of association" arguments over the years.

Here is your apparent attempt at logic...

The CIA funded Jose Pasquinar, Jose Pasquinar was later heard talking about killing JFK, and someone told me he was in Dallas and had a gun and was pointing it in the directon of the JFK motorcade, therefore the CIA funded Jose Pasquinar in the murder of JFK through the Catherwood Foundation by brainwashing him with MK/ULTRA techniques years ago. Case Closed.

And THIS is the essence of my reason for rejecting outright 75-85% of your statements and claims. Even though a half-dozen Army Intelligence operatives

were definitively placed in Dealey Plaza on 11/22/1963, and even though the contributions of Willoughby, Fellers, delValle and MacArthur have been solidified by dozens of people you CONTINUE to insist that an exclusively CIA-centric model is somehow the only one to consider and that giving Army Intel or ONI or the McCarthyites or the McCarthyites or the Newcomen Society industrialists or the Draperites or the Vonsiatskyites or the Mississippi racists or the NSRP or the Cuban exiles, or the South Florida Soldiers of Fortune or WACL at least equal billing or even MORE credit, you just blunder on with your monotonic, retarded, antiquated and belabored (and boring) conclusions which can only accept input from those who think like you (... thankfully there are not many like you left), totally oblivious to these newly discovered facts and to the identity of the other conspirators discovered since the 1970's and the 1980's. You are stuck in a time warp, dude. And you have been brainwashed. Mostly by yourself.

Here is the definition of begging the question...

Also Known as: Circular Reasoning, Reasoning in a Circle, Petitio Principii.

Circular Reasoning – supporting a premise with the premise rather than a conclusion.

Circular reasoning is an attempt to support a statement by simply repeating the statement in different or stronger terms. In this fallacy, the reason given is nothing more than a restatement of the conclusion that poses as the reason for the conclusion. To say, “You should exercise because it’s good for you” is really saying, “You should exercise because you should exercise.”

It shares much with the false authority fallacy because we accept these statements based solely on the fact that someone else claims it to be so. Often, we feel we can trust another person so much that we often accept his claims without testing the logic. This is called blind trust, and it is very dangerous. We might as well just talk in circles.

Description of Begging the Question

Begging the Question is a fallacy in which the premises include the claim that the conclusion is true or (directly or indirectly) assume that the conclusion is true. This sort of "reasoning" typically has the following form.

1. Premises in which the truth of the conclusion is claimed or the truth of the conclusion is assumed (either directly or indirectly).

2. Claim C (the conclusion) is true.

This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because simply assuming that the conclusion is true (directly or indirectly) in the premises does not constitute evidence for that conclusion. Obviously, simply assuming a claim is true does not serve as evidence for that claim. This is especially clear in particularly blatant cases: "X is true. The evidence for this claim is that X is true."

Some cases of question begging are fairly blatant, while others can be extremely subtle.

Examples of Begging the Question

1. Bill: "God must exist."

Jill: "How do you know."

Bill: "Because the Bible says so."

Jill: "Why should I believe the Bible?"

Bill: "Because the Bible was written by God."

2. "If such actions were not illegal, then they would not be prohibited by the law."

3. "The belief in God is universal. After all, everyone believes in God."

4. Interviewer: "Your resume looks impressive but I need another reference."

Bill: "Jill can give me a good reference."

Interviewer: "Good. But how do I know that Jill is trustworthy?"

Bill: "Certainly. I can vouch for her."

Here is the definition of Intellectual dishonesty...

Intellectual dishonesty is dishonesty in performing intellectual activities like thought or communication. Examples are:

* the advocacy of a position which the advocate knows or believes to be false or misleading

* the advocacy of a position which the advocate does not know to be true, and has not performed rigorous due diligence to ensure the truthfulness of the position

* the conscious omission of aspects of the truth known or believed to be relevant in the particular context.

Rhetoric is used to advance an agenda or to reinforce one's deeply held beliefs in the face of overwhelming contrary evidence.[1] If a person is aware of the evidence and agrees with the conclusion it portends, yet advocates a contradictory view, they commit intellectual dishonesty. If the person is unaware of the evidence, their position is ignorance, even if in agreement with the scientific conclusion. If the person is knowingly aware that there may be additional evidence but purposefully fails to check, and then acts as though the position is confirmed, this is also intellectual dishonesty.

The terms intellectually dishonest and intellectual dishonesty are often used as rhetorical devices in a debate; the label invariably frames an opponent in a negative light.

The phrase is also frequently used by orators when a debate foe or audience reaches a conclusion varying from the speaker's on a given subject. This appears mostly in debates or discussions of speculative, non-scientific issues, such as morality or policy.

And you use the same techniques in trying to debunk what is probably one of the best new leads in the entire JFK case in recent history...

The relationships among George de Mohrenschildt, Lee Harvey Oswald and Anastase Vonsiatsky and the fact that the city of Harbin, Manchuria (Manchuoko) was one of the largest concentrations of expatriate ex-Czarists (100,000+) who resorted to pacts with Hitler and the American far right wing (only SOME of whom had intelligence backgrounds, current or former), most notably the ex-McCarthyites, the ex-MacArthurites, the Silver Shirts, the America Firsters, the Hollywood Blacklisters, and the entire leadership of the American Security Council (which was not even a U.S. intelligence agency) who set themselves up as a counterpoint to The National Security Council. (Only some of this cast of characters were still affiliated with ANY U.S. intelligence agency at the time of the JFK murder, and Angleton was summarily drummed out of the CIA because he ran his own personal agendas using CIA money and facilities, and Ray Cline also left the CIA of his own volition to work with people like Robert Emmett Johnson to "Kill Commies for Christ". Willoughby and Morris and MacArthur had already been ignominiously sacked, canned and stripped of any formal U.S. intelligence affiliations.)

What was the plan of all these Harbin based Czarists? These White Russian ex-Czarists living in Manchuria, China when it was occupied by the Japanese had a 25 to 50-year plan that was designed to bring down the the Iron Curtain and restore the Czarist Monarchy. And WHO was their appointed and annointed savior? None other than Anastase Vonsiatsky.

By the way, Jean de Mohrenschildt was BORN in Harbin and George de Mohrenschildt MET her in Harbin and they were both in Harbin when Vonsiatsky ran

The Manchurian Mafia described by John J. Stephan in The Russian Fascists. George's favorite pseudonym was "Philip Harbin" or Philos Harbin which means roughly (I love Harbin). And there were only about 100,000 White Russians there not 6,000,000 and they absolutely and positively KNEW Rodzaievsky (sp?) and his successor Vonsiatsky. Your deliberate misstatement of these facts is just further evidence of your palpable intellectual dishonesty. The de Mohrenschildt's and Vonsiatsky DID spend time contemporaneously in Harbin, Paris, New York and Dallas so eat your heart out and get off of my cloud, dude.

They both used the Coudert Brothers law firm in New York City who specialized in immigration law specifically in bringing over Czarists using their Paris France office. Vonsiatsky was still recovering in a Red Cross hospital in Paris, France right after the Russian Revolution when he met his wife Marion Ream who was a Red Cross nurse, just as described by Richard Condon in The Manchurian Candidate. Condon described her to a perfect "T" and I have a copy of her U.S. passport and her Paris driver's license as well as photos of her at the age of 86 when she had a "...moustache, warts and all."

I will post Condon's description of her from ManCand and a digitized version of her passport, her license and the photos at age 85-86 which Condon referred to as time permits. There are some copyright issues and duplication issues involved with the custodian of her photos but there is a photo of her in The Russian Fascists in the 1960's in black and white which pretty much matches Condon's description of her as short (5'3" on her Paris license), stout, square jawed with "...mustache, warts and all". Remarkable thing was that at age 42, when she was married to Vonsiatsky, 20 years her junior, she was not bad looking at all.

Here is how John J. Stephan describes Vonsiatsky's wife:

"Almost as if to seek distraction from her (first marriage) marital fiasco, Marion threw herself into the idealistic fervor that swept America during World War I. She volunteered for the American Red Cross, qualified as a nurse after receiving training at the Women's Naval Service in Washington, and immediately after the Armistice (11/11/1919 at 11 am) arrived in France as a relief worker in the YMCA. Relief work put her in contact with hundreds of Russian refugees, but she became particularly interested in the welfare of one: Anastase Vonsiatsky."48

Sounds like a cross between a Clara Barton and a Mother Cabrini type as Condon describes her, does she not? Wonder what her physical appearance and characteristics happened to be, since Condon makes it an important part of his allusion to the Vonsiatskys later?

"Marion Buckingham Ream was an extraordinary woman. Born on January 9, 1877 in Woodlawn Park, Illinois, she grew, up into a petite (five-foot three-inch), brown-eyed, large headed girl with a broad brow and round chin. Her masculine face, however, could not conceal a grace and compassion that won the hearts of all who knew her."49

She is exactly 5'3" on her Paris drivers license by the way.

That apparently is a typical Stephanism, downplaying in a most charitable manner, the apparent lack of physical beauty which Condon was more likely to just restate directly from his third party source in the detail that this person apparently utilized in recounting the stories of the Vonsiatskys:

From the Manchurian Candidate...by Richard Condon (1959)...

"Raymond's boss Holborn Gaines, dropper everything (a beer bottle and a report from the Manila office) and rushed to the hospital to see if there was anything he could do to help. The desk attendant, a Soviet Army Lieutenant (Vonsiatsky eventually rose to Captain), upon studying his credentials and checking them against a list of Raymond's probable and therefore accredited visitors (I have copies of the Guest Book from the Vonsiatsky estate from 1920-1935 which he had all of his visitors sign), sent him to the fifth floor (Fifth Column of Vonsiatsky's Nazi Party) just as though it were not a sealed floor.

"He was met at the elevator by a rugged Army nurse who was wearing the traditional cap worn by graduates of the Mother Cabrini Hospital of Winsted, Connecticut (the Vonsiatskys lived in Windham County, Connecticut) where she had never studied (that is accurate) but which gave the establishment a certain amount of professional verisimilitude. ... Gaines left a bottle of Scotch for Raymond with the pretty young nurse (five feet tall, 173 pounds, mustache, warts)."

Now wouldn't you call that just a tad "masculine" perhaps? Her license and passport in the Providence College collection in New England describe her as 5 feet 3 inches tall in the 1920's timeframe and her passport describes her face as round and her build as round, and she could have put on a few pounds or lied on her application.

Certainly the visitors to Thompson could only have estimated her height and weight but would have readily remembered the waits and the masculine mustache. She may have been pretty apparently only in Raymond's and Vonsiatsky's eyes but her pictures certainly are very close to the Condon associate's description. Who could this person have been? Probably Arthur Derounian, who wrote as John Roy Carlson such titles as "Under Cover" and "The Plotters" while exposing the domestic Fascist movement in America during World War II when Vonsiatsky was indicted for Espionage shortly after Derounian's visit to his estate. He was convicted and served some prison sentence of 5 years in the Springfield, Missouri federal penitentiary. There will be more references to Vonsiatsky in The Manchurian Candidate, I am confident, and they will be added as they are discovered.

In fact, I found his name hidden in an anagram as well, courtesy of Condon.

...known Yaztas, Fravashi and Amesha Spentas." which is translated to "Tsar Anastase Vonsiatsky - Dawn Age Fashism"

The spelling of "Fashism" is quite consistent with the spelling of his publication: "The Fashist" copies of which are in both The Russian Fascists as well as

in the Vonsiatsky collection at Providence College...I have several copied pages in my possession. So any retards who can only find fault with the

spelling of "Fashism" in this anagram, should try to get a life and a better job which is more productive than being a night watchman.

Charles Higham in American Swastika stated that: (paraphrasing) "Anastase Vonsiatsky ran every single White Russian Nazi spy and saboteur in North America."

Both Charles Higham in American Swastika and John Roy Carlson in Under Cover and probably even the FBI on their web site stated in different words that:

"Anastase Vonsiatsky was the world vojhd, or acknowledged leader, of every White Russian ex-Czarist in the entire world including Paris and Harbin."

Almost everyone with at least half a brain has concluded, quite correctly, that BOTH of the de Mohrenschildts and their cousin, Baron Constantine de Mayell WERE White Russians AND they were dedicated and convicted Nazi spies and saboteurs (de Maydell went to jail as a Nazi spy and so did Vonsiatsky) and since they operated extensively in North America for decades one can only conclude logically and quite correctly that they, therefore, took orders from ANASTASE VONSIATSKY directly or indirectly.

ANASTASE VONSIATSKY WAS George de Mohrenschildt's BOSS in case you haven't figured it out yet. Case Closed.

Now either get on board, or get off the train and get the hell out of my way, because you have always been very annoying, very stubborn, very wrong and very, very deliberately dishonest IMHO. And THAT is a very dangerous combination which renders you useless and untrustworthy. Plus you are totally illogical, intellectually lacking in any analytical skills whatsover, and intellectually irresponsible and can't spell or do math or even think or write clearly.

Edited May 23, 2009 by John Bevilaqua

[William Kelly]

And did anyone notice that Frank Forini (sic) lived in Germantown, Philadelphia, within a few blocks of where Ruth Paine worked at a Friends School, except a decade apart?

BK

Wow, so near and yet so far. I take it all back. You are the bomb. Did they go to different schools together? Were they ever Friends? Get it?

Did she come over after School? Did you overhear them discussing a plot to kill JFK? Man, you could have been a contender. Was she a real Paine?

Oh, Germantown, I get it, the Nazi Connection of Mae Brussell? Wow! Was Paine a Nazi? Was Frankie a Nazi? Did they like crumb cake? Got crumbs?

Tell us more! You are getting warmer... warmer... colder... colder... cold... frozen... Case Cold. Now that is some really legitimate research.

Betcha read this whole thing, too.

That Frank Forini (sic) lived a few blocks away from where Ruth Paine taught school a decade later is most definately (sic) a coincidence.

Germantown is a working class community in North Philadelphia known for its large, brick row houses that have been occupied by Germans, Irish and blacks over different generations.

Nor is it anything more than a conspiracy, as you suggest, that George DeMohrenschildt's third wife, Jean, once lived in the same city in China at a different time as Anastase Vonsiatsky and six million other people.

It is not a coincidence that the Philadelphia based CIA front Catherwood Foundation financially supported both the Catholic Cuban Refuges in Florida, New Orleans and Dallas, AND the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia (to the tune of $500,000 a year), both of which supported suspects in the assassination.

BK

Memo to John von Manchurian Belavonstasky,

There you go again putting words in my mouth and quoting me saying things I've never said. Please don't put quotations around words you make up and attribute them to me. You've been warned twice now.

How do you type while rolling two ball bearings around in your hand at the same time?

BK

NOW I see why you have so much trouble putting 2 + 2 together. I am beginning to see why you have trouble with really understanding just who

George de Mohrenschildt REALLY was. You can not even spell his name correctly, it is NOT George DeMohrenschildt, dude, it is spelled

George de Mohrenschildt like on his Wikipedia page. And definately should be spelled definitely. And suppose should be

supposed, I could go on forever. The "de" in his name just means "of" as in John of Aragon, which identifes his father's last name. In biblical

days it was in the form of Abraham bar Hiyya, Abraham "born of" or "born in" the Hiyya family. Got it? And the name of the person who killed Medgar Evers, Jr. was Byron DeLa Beckwith, pronounced "delay" and it is decidedly NOT Byron De La Beckwith or Byron de la Beckwith, or Byron De LaBeckwith.

"..It is not a coincidence that the Philadelphia based CIA front Catherwood Foundation financially supported both the Catholic Cuban Refuges in Florida, New Orleans and Dallas, AND the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia".

THAT is not against the law and it is usually considered to be a very nice humanitarian gesture, in fact. And the point you are trying to make is so obscure

that it is patently ridiculous and normally considered to be an indication of severe intellectual dishonesty to support preconceived notions. "Begging the Question" or "..leading the witness" as well as what we like to call "faulty or flawed logic."

Even if it was a CIA front (show me the proof) The Catherwood Foundation supported hundreds and thousands of people in need, and some of them, I am positive, ended up with both misdemeanor and felony criminal records, minor traffic tickets, IRS property seizures and criminal charges, bankruptcy proceedings, charges of wife beating, justified or not, accusations of begging the question and twisting the truth to serve some sinister purpose, and they may have been shoplifters, JFK plotters or shooters (show me the proof), or they might have been guilty of chopping down cherry trees as well, or having poor personal hygiene, or being lousy spellers and very, very bad at math. And at one time or another in their lives they probably ate either Domino's or Pizza Hut pizzas. And a lot of them probably ended up as taxi cab drivers, bartenders, night watchmen, casino dealers or other comparable menial labor jobs not requiring a high degree of intelligence. Does that mean that the CIA or the Catherwood Foundation or Domino's or Pizza Hut has to take the rap for all of these other alleged offenses as well? Now that is just patently illogical, intellectually dishonest and typical of your trivial "guilty paymaster or "guilt by dint of association" arguments over the years.

Here is your apparent attempt at logic...

The CIA funded Jose Pasquinar, Jose Pasquinar was later heard talking about killing JFK, and someone told me he was in Dallas and had a gun and was pointing it in the directon of the JFK motorcade, therefore the CIA funded Jose Pasquinar in the murder of JFK through the Catherwood Foundation by brainwashing him with MK/ULTRA techniques years ago. Case Closed.

And THIS is the essence of my reason for rejecting outright 75-85% of your statements and claims. Even though a half-dozen Army Intelligence operatives

were definitively placed in Dealey Plaza on 11/22/1963, and even though the contributions of Willoughby, Fellers, delValle and MacArthur have been solidified by dozens of people you CONTINUE to insist that an exclusively CIA-centric model is somehow the only one to consider and that giving Army Intel or ONI or the McCarthyites or the McCarthyites or the Newcomen Society industrialists or the Draperites or the Vonsiatskyites or the Mississippi racists or the NSRP or the Cuban exiles, or the South Florida Soldiers of Fortune or WACL at least equal billing or even MORE credit, you just blunder on with your monotonic, retarded, antiquated and belabored (and boring) conclusions which can only accept input from those who think like you (... thankfully there are not many like you left), totally oblivious to these newly discovered facts and to the identity of the other conspirators discovered since the 1970's and the 1980's. You are stuck in a time warp, dude. And you have been brainwashed. Mostly by yourself.

Here is the definition of begging the question...

Also Known as: Circular Reasoning, Reasoning in a Circle, Petitio Principii.

Circular Reasoning – supporting a premise with the premise rather than a conclusion.

Circular reasoning is an attempt to support a statement by simply repeating the statement in different or stronger terms. In this fallacy, the reason given is nothing more than a restatement of the conclusion that poses as the reason for the conclusion. To say, “You should exercise because it’s good for you” is really saying, “You should exercise because you should exercise.”

It shares much with the false authority fallacy because we accept these statements based solely on the fact that someone else claims it to be so. Often, we feel we can trust another person so much that we often accept his claims without testing the logic. This is called blind trust, and it is very dangerous. We might as well just talk in circles.

Description of Begging the Question

Begging the Question is a fallacy in which the premises include the claim that the conclusion is true or (directly or indirectly) assume that the conclusion is true. This sort of "reasoning" typically has the following form.

1. Premises in which the truth of the conclusion is claimed or the truth of the conclusion is assumed (either directly or indirectly).

2. Claim C (the conclusion) is true.

This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because simply assuming that the conclusion is true (directly or indirectly) in the premises does not constitute evidence for that conclusion. Obviously, simply assuming a claim is true does not serve as evidence for that claim. This is especially clear in particularly blatant cases: "X is true. The evidence for this claim is that X is true."

Some cases of question begging are fairly blatant, while others can be extremely subtle.

Examples of Begging the Question

1. Bill: "God must exist."

Jill: "How do you know."

Bill: "Because the Bible says so."

Jill: "Why should I believe the Bible?"

Bill: "Because the Bible was written by God."

2. "If such actions were not illegal, then they would not be prohibited by the law."

3. "The belief in God is universal. After all, everyone believes in God."

4. Interviewer: "Your resume looks impressive but I need another reference."

Bill: "Jill can give me a good reference."

Interviewer: "Good. But how do I know that Jill is trustworthy?"

Bill: "Certainly. I can vouch for her."

Here is the definition of Intellectual dishonesty...

Intellectual dishonesty is dishonesty in performing intellectual activities like thought or communication. Examples are:

* the advocacy of a position which the advocate knows or believes to be false or misleading

* the advocacy of a position which the advocate does not know to be true, and has not performed rigorous due diligence to ensure the truthfulness of the position

* the conscious omission of aspects of the truth known or believed to be relevant in the particular context.

Rhetoric is used to advance an agenda or to reinforce one's deeply held beliefs in the face of overwhelming contrary evidence.[1] If a person is aware of the evidence and agrees with the conclusion it portends, yet advocates a contradictory view, they commit intellectual dishonesty. If the person is unaware of the evidence, their position is ignorance, even if in agreement with the scientific conclusion. If the person is knowingly aware that there may be additional evidence but purposefully fails to check, and then acts as though the position is confirmed, this is also intellectual dishonesty.

The terms intellectually dishonest and intellectual dishonesty are often used as rhetorical devices in a debate; the label invariably frames an opponent in a negative light.

The phrase is also frequently used by orators when a debate foe or audience reaches a conclusion varying from the speaker's on a given subject. This appears mostly in debates or discussions of speculative, non-scientific issues, such as morality or policy.

And you use the same techniques in trying to debunk what is probably one of the best new leads in the entire JFK case in recent history...

The relationships among George de Mohrenschildt, Lee Harvey Oswald and Anastase Vonsiatsky and the fact that the city of Harbin, Manchuria (Manchuoko) was one of the largest concentrations of expatriate ex-Czarists (100,000+) who resorted to pacts with Hitler and the American far right wing (only SOME of whom had intelligence backgrounds, current or former), most notably the ex-McCarthyites, the ex-MacArthurites, the Silver Shirts, the America Firsters, the Hollywood Blacklisters, and the entire leadership of the American Security Council (which was not even a U.S. intelligence agency) who set themselves up as a counterpoint to The National Security Council. (Only some of this cast of characters were still affiliated with ANY U.S. intelligence agency at the time of the JFK murder, and Angleton was summarily drummed out of the CIA because he ran his own personal agendas using CIA money and facilities, and Ray Cline also left the CIA of his own volition to work with people like Robert Emmett Johnson to "Kill Commies for Christ". Willoughby and Morris and MacArthur had already been ignominiously sacked, canned and stripped of any formal U.S. intelligence affiliations.)

What was the plan of all these Harbin based Czarists? These White Russian ex-Czarists living in Manchuria, China when it was occupied by the Japanese had a 25 to 50-year plan that was designed to bring down the the Iron Curtain and restore the Czarist Monarchy. And WHO was their appointed and annointed savior? None other than Anastase Vonsiatsky.

By the way, Jean de Mohrenschildt was BORN in Harbin and George de Mohrenschildt MET her in Harbin and they were both in Harbin when Vonsiatsky ran

The Manchurian Mafia described by John J. Stephan in The Russian Fascists. George's favorite pseudonym was "Philip Harbin" or Philos Harbin which means roughly (I love Harbin). And there were only about 100,000 White Russians there not 6,000,000 and they absolutely and positively KNEW Rodzaievsky (sp?) and his successor Vonsiatsky. Your deliberate misstatement of these facts is just further evidence of your palpable intellectual dishonesty. The de Mohrenschildt's and Vonsiatsky DID spend time contemporaneously in Harbin, Paris, New York and Dallas so eat your heart out and get off of my cloud, dude.

They both used the Coudert Brothers law firm in New York City who specialized in immigration law specifically in bringing over Czarists using their Paris France office. Vonsiatsky was still recovering in a Red Cross hospital in Paris, France right after the Russian Revolution when he met his wife Marion Ream who was a Red Cross nurse, just as described by Richard Condon in The Manchurian Candidate. Condon described her to a perfect "T" and I have a copy of her U.S. passport and her Paris driver's license as well as photos of her at the age of 86 when she had a "...moustache, warts and all."

I will post Condon's description of her from ManCand and a digitized version of her passport, her license and the photos at age 85-86 which Condon referred to as time permits. There are some copyright issues and duplication issues involved with the custodian of her photos but there is a photo of her in The Russian Fascists in the 1960's in black and white which pretty much matches Condon's description of her as short (5'3" on her Paris license), stout, square jawed with "...mustache, warts and all". Remarkable thing was that at age 42, when she was married to Vonsiatsky, 20 years her junior, she was not bad looking at all.

Here is how John J. Stephan describes Vonsiatsky's wife:

"Almost as if to seek distraction from her (first marriage) marital fiasco, Marion threw herself into the idealistic fervor that swept America during World War I. She volunteered for the American Red Cross, qualified as a nurse after receiving training at the Women's Naval Service in Washington, and immediately after the Armistice (11/11/1919 at 11 am) arrived in France as a relief worker in the YMCA. Relief work put her in contact with hundreds of Russian refugees, but she became particularly interested in the welfare of one: Anastase Vonsiatsky."48

Sounds like a cross between a Clara Barton and a Mother Cabrini type as Condon describes her, does she not? Wonder what her physical appearance and characteristics happened to be, since Condon makes it an important part of his allusion to the Vonsiatskys later?

"Marion Buckingham Ream was an extraordinary woman. Born on January 9, 1877 in Woodlawn Park, Illinois, she grew, up into a petite (five-foot three-inch), brown-eyed, large headed girl with a broad brow and round chin. Her masculine face, however, could not conceal a grace and compassion that won the hearts of all who knew her."49

She is exactly 5'3" on her Paris drivers license by the way.

That apparently is a typical Stephanism, downplaying in a most charitable manner, the apparent lack of physical beauty which Condon was more likely to just restate directly from his third party source in the detail that this person apparently utilized in recounting the stories of the Vonsiatskys:

From the Manchurian Candidate...by Richard Condon (1959)...

"Raymond's boss Holborn Gaines, dropper everything (a beer bottle and a report from the Manila office) and rushed to the hospital to see if there was anything he could do to help. The desk attendant, a Soviet Army Lieutenant (Vonsiatsky eventually rose to Captain), upon studying his credentials and checking them against a list of Raymond's probable and therefore accredited visitors (I have copies of the Guest Book from the Vonsiatsky estate from 1920-1935 which he had all of his visitors sign), sent him to the fifth floor (Fifth Column of Vonsiatsky's Nazi Party) just as though it were not a sealed floor.

"He was met at the elevator by a rugged Army nurse who was wearing the traditional cap worn by graduates of the Mother Cabrini Hospital of Winsted, Connecticut (the Vonsiatskys lived in Windham County, Connecticut) where she had never studied (that is accurate) but which gave the establishment a certain amount of professional verisimilitude. ... Gaines left a bottle of Scotch for Raymond with the pretty young nurse (five feet tall, 173 pounds, mustache, warts)."

Now wouldn't you call that just a tad "masculine" perhaps? Her license and passport in the Providence College collection in New England describe her as 5 feet 3 inches tall in the 1920's timeframe and her passport describes her face as round and her build as round, and she could have put on a few pounds or lied on her application.

Certainly the visitors to Thompson could only have estimated her height and weight but would have readily remembered the waits and the masculine mustache. She may have been pretty apparently only in Raymond's and Vonsiatsky's eyes but her pictures certainly are very close to the Condon associate's description. Who could this person have been? Probably Arthur Derounian, who wrote as John Roy Carlson such titles as "Under Cover" and "The Plotters" while exposing the domestic Fascist movement in America during World War II when Vonsiatsky was indicted for Espionage shortly after Derounian's visit to his estate. He was convicted and served some prison sentence of 5 years in the Springfield, Missouri federal penitentiary. There will be more references to Vonsiatsky in The Manchurian Candidate, I am confident, and they will be added as they are discovered.

In fact, I found his name hidden in an anagram as well, courtesy of Condon.

...known Yaztas, Fravashi and Amesha Spentas." which is translated to "Tsar Anastase Vonsiatsky - Dawn Age Fashism"

The spelling of "Fashism" is quite consistent with the spelling of his publication: "The Fashist" copies of which are in both The Russian Fascists as well as

in the Vonsiatsky collection at Providence College...I have several copied pages in my possession. So any retards who can only find fault with the

spelling of "Fashism" in this anagram, should try to get a life and a better job which is more productive than being a night watchman.

Charles Higham in American Swastika stated that: (paraphrasing) "Anastase Vonsiatsky ran every single White Russian Nazi spy and saboteur in North America."

Both Charles Higham in American Swastika and John Roy Carlson in Under Cover and probably even the FBI on their web site stated in different words that:

"Anastase Vonsiatsky was the world vojhd, or acknowledged leader, of every White Russian ex-Czarist in the entire world including Paris and Harbin."

Almost everyone with at least half a brain has concluded, quite correctly, that BOTH of the de Mohrenschildts and their cousin, Baron Constantine de Mayell WERE White Russians AND they were dedicated and convicted Nazi spies and saboteurs (de Maydell went to jail as a Nazi spy and so did Vonsiatsky) and since they operated extensively in North America for decades one can only conclude logically and quite correctly that they, therefore, took orders from ANASTASE VONSIATSKY directly or indirectly.

ANASTASE VONSIATSKY WAS George de Mohrenschildt's BOSS in case you haven't figured it out yet. Case Closed.

Now either get on board, or get off the train and get the hell out of my way, because you have always been very annoying, very stubborn, very wrong and very, very deliberately dishonest IMHO. And THAT is a very dangerous combination which renders you useless and untrustworthy. Plus you are totally illogical, intellectually lacking in any analytical skills whatsover, and intellectually irresponsible and can't spell or do math or even think or write clearly.

[Michael Clark]

Imagine, if you will, being Frank Sturigis.

 Yes, Imagine being that guy, in that photo that we should all be familiar with, posing on top of a mass grave of Batista supporters, who you just executed in cold blood, in suport of Fidel Castro.

It is human nature to justify what we have done. 

Fast-foreward to Castro's betrayal, thence to the BOPI, and thence to Watergate.

Frank is a durable man, his justifications are, probably, likewise, just as durable.

There are more, like him, around, and in, the JFKA, and Watergate; and thence through to today.

Edited August 10, 2017 by Michael Clark

[Guest]

Frank Sturgis and Wilfreddo Avarro - Rockefeller Commission. 31MB!

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