JFK, & Vested interest.

[Guest Stephen Turner]

The Oxford English dictionary defines TERRORISM as, 1,The use of violence, and intimidation, especially for political purposes. 2,To fill with terror,to coerce with violence, or the threat of violence.COUP DETAT, 1, The sudden overthrow of a government, by force, or unconstitutional means 2, a sudden action taken to obtain power, or achive a desired result. COUP DE GRACE A stroke or blow thats puts an end to something. CONFLICT, a fight, a struggle, disagreement between people with different ideas,or beliefs.

Some questions, 1, How much of a threat did the Kennedy administration pose to powerful vested interest groups.

2, Did individuals within these groups have the means to arange a coup detat.

3,Did these individuals believe that Kennedy was acting against their best interests

would they have viewed him as a traitor because of this.

4,Were these individuals complicit in the murders, either planned, or actual,of others they percieved in this light.

5, What would they have expected from a second term of this administration, did they have reason to fear, for example, a withdrawal of the "Advisors"from Vietnam.Attacks on the oil depletion allowance, and the federal reserve, attempts at detente with the Soviets, overtures to Castro, a moritorium on ICBM's. How would they have viewed this accomodation with communism. could they have viewed Kennedys removal as a constitutional act.

THE VESTED INTEREST GROUP

The powerful have always projected their interests as the core values of the society they infest.To sustain this ideological mumbo jumbo, requires a quiescent and docile populace, and domination over the media.Did Kennedy pose a threat to the status quo? to understand this question we need to put ourselves in the shoes of the vested interest group. Their only values are power & money, money & power, in their eyes any person or group that threatens this is a dangerous subversive, and, through their own twisted logic, anti-American, this is how the trick works,"As our interests are identical to the interests of the American people, anyone who threatens them must be, by definition, against America.This, to be fair is not just an American mindset, all ruling classes use a variation of this to justify their appropriation of the surplus value.I believe this group felt threatened by the Kennedy administration, and by their way of thinking, had good reason to fear a second term,with the strong possibility of RFK running in 68,this was all the justification they needed."In fair Verona where we set our scene, civil blood makes civil hands unclean"

[Guest Stephen Turner]

So, who benefited from the assassination, some names of interest to me, Dulles, Bisell, cabell,Lansdale Lemnitzer, Walker( And men loyal to him)LBJ, Hoover,Ford,

The Hunts (And other Texas oilmen) Planning, finance,deed, cover up.or Conflict-coup de grace-Coup detat=Terrorism.JFK, MLK, RFK,Cuba Chile, Vietnam, Cambodia,Grenada,Syria, Iran, Iraq,Watergate, Iran/contra etc etc.Same faces, same groups, same methods, same naked self interest, The rich and powerful, and their payed henchmen.

[Guest Stephen Turner]

So how did various groups, and individuals benifit from the assassination.

Financial benifit, Big oil, Big Banking interests, Bell Helicoptor, Dow chemicals, Organised crime.

Career Benifit, LBJ(also prevented criminal charges against him) Edgar Hoover (no forced retirement) Dick Nixon, various bods in MIC,CIA.

Settling scores dept, CIA,( again) JCS (Lansdale, Lemnitzer etc)Allen Dulles, Richard Cabell,Groups, organisations, operations, under the anti-Castro banner.etc, etc, etc.

All ruling classes have but two key objectives,Power, and the destruction of any individual, or group who threatens their supremacy. to the powerful democracy may be tolerated so long as (1) The choise offered to the sheeple is as narrow as possible. (2) No elected official EVER goes against vested interests.(3) The electorate remain docile, and except their rulers definition of freedom, justice equality etc. (4) All main-stream media sing from their hymn sheet, and act as trained attack dogs on any "Nay-sayers"(5) Real power resides in the hands of the unelected (our betters) and is administered for their exclusive benifit. (6)No real challenge to their interests can be allowed,or be seen to go unpunished.The fact that this is not democracy, but a semi-hidden totalitarian system, seems to escape the great majority of citizens.

[Guest Stephen Turner]

THE WAR FOR TERROR.

Under the above circumstances the assassination of JFK is an act of purest terrorism. Definition,1, "The use of violence,especially for political purposes"2, "To coerce by the threat of violence". The graphic manner of Kennedys death argues against it being the simple removal of pest. (who will rid me of this turbulant priest) It shouts out a warning to those to come, "You hold office by our patronage, and under our sufferance".And by Jove, has'nt it worked.

[George Bollschweiler]

Financial benifit, Big oil, Big Banking interests, Bell Helicoptor, Dow chemicals,

All ruling classes have but two key objectives,Power, and the destruction of any individual, or group who threatens their supremacy. to the powerful democracy may be tolerated so long as (1) The choise offered to the sheeple is as narrow as possible. (2) No elected official EVER goes against vested interests.(3) The electorate remain docile, and except their rulers definition of freedom, justice equality etc. (4) All main-stream media sing from their hymn sheet, and act as trained attack dogs on any "Nay-sayers"(5) Real power resides in the hands of the unelected (our betters) and is administered for their exclusive benifit. (6)No real challenge to their interests can be allowed,or be seen to go unpunished.The fact that this is not democracy, but a semi-hidden totalitarian system, seems to escape the great majority of citizens.

Stephen, I would agree with most of your piont and I probably come from the same "political" corner as you but there is one thing concerning this issue that

has to be considered: I wouldn't call myself a Darwinist but I do believe that we have to accept our roots and despite all social improvement made in the last decades or centuries, the power that drove us to the piont where we are today

is based on power, egoism, inconsiderateness, brutality and the instinct of self-

preservation (and a few more). IMO it is understandable, that these mechanism

are still very familar and our behaviour can be missled easily. I do not say we have to accept those but if these are considered it helps to understand mankind

and its sometimes "degenerated" activities.

George

[Guest Stephen Turner]

Hi George, what got us to where we are today was, in the main, co-operation between individuals for a commom/shared purpose. Capitalism goes out of its way to obscure this fact. that not withstanding,however we view the accomodation of vested interest,s with political, social, economic factors,it makes for a poor/shallow chimera of democracy, as all considerations are permanently scewed in faviour of the powerful.

[George Bollschweiler]

co-operation between individuals for a commom/shared purpose.

Stephen,

I agree although co-operation served each single individual, in achieving these

common/shared purpose the group would/did not hesitate to use its power whatever those powers were to get its goal. Unfortunately it seems like we are loosing this grip to a certain group and try to find our satisfaction in a kind of self-experience that mainly leeds to isolation/frustration.

[Guest Stephen Turner]

. Unfortunately it seems like we are loosing this grip to a certain group and try to find our satisfaction in a kind of self-experience that mainly leeds to isolation/frustration.

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Agreed george, classic Marxist alienation.The apex of our society appears to be Big Brother,how clever of them to choose an Orwelian title Do you agree with my contention that the "Class war" is at the very centre of the assassination.

[George Bollschweiler]

Big Brother,how clever of them to choose an Orwelian title

the "Class war" is at the very centre of the assassination

In general I agree Stephen, but IMO this expresion has been used inflationary as terrorism had its all time high in Europe (e.g. RAF, Brigade Rosso).

George

[Guest Stephen Turner]

Big Brother,how clever of them to choose an Orwelian title

the "Class war" is at the very centre of the assassination

In general I agree Stephen, but IMO this expresion has been used inflationary as terrorism had its all time high in Europe (e.g. RAF, Brigade Rosso).

George

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How about we substitute the term,"Powerful vested interests of the rich" for "class war"How close to agreement are we now.

[George Bollschweiler]

How about we substitute the term,"Powerful vested interests of the rich" for "class war"How close to agreement are we now.

That I would call "match".

George

Edited August 5, 2005 by George Bollschweiler

[Thomas H. Purvis]

The Oxford English dictionary defines TERRORISM as, 1,The use of violence, and intimidation, especially for political purposes. 2,To fill with terror,to coerce with violence, or the threat of violence.COUP DETAT, 1, The sudden overthrow of a government, by force, or unconstitutional means 2, a sudden action taken to obtain power, or achive a desired result. COUP DE GRACE A stroke or blow thats puts an end to something. CONFLICT, a fight, a struggle, disagreement between people with different ideas,or beliefs.

Some questions, 1, How much of a threat did the Kennedy administration pose to powerful vested interest groups.

2, Did individuals within these groups have the means to arange a coup detat.

3,Did these individuals believe that Kennedy was acting against their best interests

would they have viewed him as a traitor because of this.

4,Were these individuals complicit in the murders, either planned, or actual,of others they percieved in this light.

5, What would they have expected from a second term of this administration, did they have reason to fear, for example, a withdrawal of the "Advisors"from Vietnam.Attacks on the oil depletion allowance, and the federal reserve, attempts at detente with the Soviets, overtures to Castro, a moritorium on ICBM's. How would they have viewed this accomodation with communism. could they have viewed Kennedys removal as a constitutional act.

      THE VESTED INTEREST GROUP

The powerful have always projected their interests as the core values of the society they infest.To sustain this ideological mumbo jumbo, requires a quiescent and docile populace, and domination over the media.Did Kennedy pose a threat to the status quo? to understand this question we need to put ourselves in the shoes of the vested interest group. Their only values are power & money, money & power, in their eyes any person or group that threatens this is a dangerous subversive, and, through their own twisted logic, anti-American, this is how the trick works,"As our interests are identical to the interests of the American people, anyone who threatens them must be, by definition, against America.This, to be fair is not just an American mindset, all ruling classes use a variation of this to justify their appropriation of the surplus value.I believe this group felt threatened by the Kennedy administration, and by their way of thinking, had good reason to fear a second term,with the strong possibility of RFK running in 68,this was all the justification they needed."In fair Verona where we set our scene, civil blood makes civil hands unclean"

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Stephen;

You are far closer to the answer than perhaps even you are aware.

REX

____

Motto: "Pro Bono Publico" ("For the Public Good")

http://www.novareinna.com/festive/krewes.html

Not to mention the forced integration of their "Beloved Tulane" in early 1963.

Tom

P.S. Of course, if one should begin to get too close, I am certain that they have another "Clay Shaw" to sacrifice to the gods.

P.P.S. The "Boston Club" of New Orleans is not named directly after Boston, MA.

It is fact named after the card game "Boston" in which Frenchmen who fought in the revolutionary war developed the game in which many a fortune has been made and lost.

The game of "Boston" was in fact a variation of the game of "Whist", in which later versions became "Bridge".

Within the "Boston Club" membership and "REX", lies the money and power of New Orleans, LA, as well as much of the South.

In 1963, there were few members who could not trace their direct linage to the Confederacy, as well as Tulane University.

That goes for the Boston Club as well as REX.

http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2...1-16/blake.html

[Thomas H. Purvis]

The Oxford English dictionary defines TERRORISM as, 1,The use of violence, and intimidation, especially for political purposes. 2,To fill with terror,to coerce with violence, or the threat of violence.COUP DETAT, 1, The sudden overthrow of a government, by force, or unconstitutional means 2, a sudden action taken to obtain power, or achive a desired result. COUP DE GRACE A stroke or blow thats puts an end to something. CONFLICT, a fight, a struggle, disagreement between people with different ideas,or beliefs.

Some questions, 1, How much of a threat did the Kennedy administration pose to powerful vested interest groups.

2, Did individuals within these groups have the means to arange a coup detat.

3,Did these individuals believe that Kennedy was acting against their best interests

would they have viewed him as a traitor because of this.

4,Were these individuals complicit in the murders, either planned, or actual,of others they percieved in this light.

5, What would they have expected from a second term of this administration, did they have reason to fear, for example, a withdrawal of the "Advisors"from Vietnam.Attacks on the oil depletion allowance, and the federal reserve, attempts at detente with the Soviets, overtures to Castro, a moritorium on ICBM's. How would they have viewed this accomodation with communism. could they have viewed Kennedys removal as a constitutional act.

      THE VESTED INTEREST GROUP

The powerful have always projected their interests as the core values of the society they infest.To sustain this ideological mumbo jumbo, requires a quiescent and docile populace, and domination over the media.Did Kennedy pose a threat to the status quo? to understand this question we need to put ourselves in the shoes of the vested interest group. Their only values are power & money, money & power, in their eyes any person or group that threatens this is a dangerous subversive, and, through their own twisted logic, anti-American, this is how the trick works,"As our interests are identical to the interests of the American people, anyone who threatens them must be, by definition, against America.This, to be fair is not just an American mindset, all ruling classes use a variation of this to justify their appropriation of the surplus value.I believe this group felt threatened by the Kennedy administration, and by their way of thinking, had good reason to fear a second term,with the strong possibility of RFK running in 68,this was all the justification they needed."In fair Verona where we set our scene, civil blood makes civil hands unclean"

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Stephen;

You are far closer to the answer than perhaps even you are aware.

REX

____

Motto: "Pro Bono Publico" ("For the Public Good")

http://www.novareinna.com/festive/krewes.html

Not to mention the forced integration of their "Beloved Tulane" in early 1963.

Tom

P.S. Of course, if one should begin to get too close, I am certain that they have another "Clay Shaw" to sacrifice to the gods.

P.P.S. The "Boston Club" of New Orleans is not named directly after Boston, MA.

It is fact named after the card game "Boston" in which Frenchmen who fought in the revolutionary war developed the game in which many a fortune has been made and lost.

The game of "Boston" was in fact a variation of the game of "Whist", in which later versions became "Bridge".

Within the "Boston Club" membership and "REX", lies the money and power of New Orleans, LA, as well as much of the South.

In 1963, there were few members who could not trace their direct linage to the Confederacy, as well as Tulane University.

That goes for the Boston Club as well as REX.

http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2...1-16/blake.html

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And, in event it was missed when previously provided:

FOR AMERICA

____________

Type Entity: Non-Profit Corporation

Mailing Address: 208 LaSalle St. Chicago, ILL*

Registered Agent: Charles E. Dunbar, Jr. New Orleans, LA

Registered Agent: Sumter D. Marks, Jr. New Orleans, LA

Registered Agent: Louis B. Claverie, New Orleans, LA

Qualified: 1954

*208 LaSalle St., Chicago, IL, of course also being the address of the "Travellers Aide Society", from whom LHO received his financial assistance upon his return from the Soviet Union.

[Thomas H. Purvis]

The Oxford English dictionary defines TERRORISM as, 1,The use of violence, and intimidation, especially for political purposes. 2,To fill with terror,to coerce with violence, or the threat of violence.COUP DETAT, 1, The sudden overthrow of a government, by force, or unconstitutional means 2, a sudden action taken to obtain power, or achive a desired result. COUP DE GRACE A stroke or blow thats puts an end to something. CONFLICT, a fight, a struggle, disagreement between people with different ideas,or beliefs.

Some questions, 1, How much of a threat did the Kennedy administration pose to powerful vested interest groups.

2, Did individuals within these groups have the means to arange a coup detat.

3,Did these individuals believe that Kennedy was acting against their best interests

would they have viewed him as a traitor because of this.

4,Were these individuals complicit in the murders, either planned, or actual,of others they percieved in this light.

5, What would they have expected from a second term of this administration, did they have reason to fear, for example, a withdrawal of the "Advisors"from Vietnam.Attacks on the oil depletion allowance, and the federal reserve, attempts at detente with the Soviets, overtures to Castro, a moritorium on ICBM's. How would they have viewed this accomodation with communism. could they have viewed Kennedys removal as a constitutional act.

      THE VESTED INTEREST GROUP

The powerful have always projected their interests as the core values of the society they infest.To sustain this ideological mumbo jumbo, requires a quiescent and docile populace, and domination over the media.Did Kennedy pose a threat to the status quo? to understand this question we need to put ourselves in the shoes of the vested interest group. Their only values are power & money, money & power, in their eyes any person or group that threatens this is a dangerous subversive, and, through their own twisted logic, anti-American, this is how the trick works,"As our interests are identical to the interests of the American people, anyone who threatens them must be, by definition, against America.This, to be fair is not just an American mindset, all ruling classes use a variation of this to justify their appropriation of the surplus value.I believe this group felt threatened by the Kennedy administration, and by their way of thinking, had good reason to fear a second term,with the strong possibility of RFK running in 68,this was all the justification they needed."In fair Verona where we set our scene, civil blood makes civil hands unclean"

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Stephen;

You are far closer to the answer than perhaps even you are aware.

REX

____

Motto: "Pro Bono Publico" ("For the Public Good")

http://www.novareinna.com/festive/krewes.html

Not to mention the forced integration of their "Beloved Tulane" in early 1963.

Tom

P.S. Of course, if one should begin to get too close, I am certain that they have another "Clay Shaw" to sacrifice to the gods.

P.P.S. The "Boston Club" of New Orleans is not named directly after Boston, MA.

It is fact named after the card game "Boston" in which Frenchmen who fought in the revolutionary war developed the game in which many a fortune has been made and lost.

The game of "Boston" was in fact a variation of the game of "Whist", in which later versions became "Bridge".

Within the "Boston Club" membership and "REX", lies the money and power of New Orleans, LA, as well as much of the South.

In 1963, there were few members who could not trace their direct linage to the Confederacy, as well as Tulane University.

That goes for the Boston Club as well as REX.

http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2...1-16/blake.html

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

And, in event it was missed when previously provided:

FOR AMERICA

____________

Type Entity: Non-Profit Corporation

Mailing Address: 208 LaSalle St. Chicago, ILL*

Registered Agent: Charles E. Dunbar, Jr. New Orleans, LA

Registered Agent: Sumter D. Marks, Jr. New Orleans, LA

Registered Agent: Louis B. Claverie, New Orleans, LA

Qualified: 1954

*208 LaSalle St., Chicago, IL, of course also being the address of the "Travellers Aide Society", from whom LHO received his financial assistance upon his return from the Soviet Union.

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Just in event I need continue:

VIGILANCE INCORPORATED

_______________________

Type Entity: Non-Profit Corporation

Qualified: 03/16/1951

Domicile Address: 100 W 10th St. Wilmington, DE, 19801

Registered Agent: Charles E. Dunbar, 1300 Hibernia Bank Bldg., New Orleans, LA

Registered Agent: Sumter D. Marks, 1300 Hibernia Bank Bldg., New Orleans, LA

Registered Agent: Louis B. Claverie, 1300 Hibernia Bank bldg., New Orleans, LA

____________________________________________________________________

Of course, most know what has been said of "Those Deleware Corporations".

Tom

[Thomas H. Purvis]

The Oxford English dictionary defines TERRORISM as, 1,The use of violence, and intimidation, especially for political purposes. 2,To fill with terror,to coerce with violence, or the threat of violence.COUP DETAT, 1, The sudden overthrow of a government, by force, or unconstitutional means 2, a sudden action taken to obtain power, or achive a desired result. COUP DE GRACE A stroke or blow thats puts an end to something. CONFLICT, a fight, a struggle, disagreement between people with different ideas,or beliefs.

Some questions, 1, How much of a threat did the Kennedy administration pose to powerful vested interest groups.

2, Did individuals within these groups have the means to arange a coup detat.

3,Did these individuals believe that Kennedy was acting against their best interests

would they have viewed him as a traitor because of this.

4,Were these individuals complicit in the murders, either planned, or actual,of others they percieved in this light.

5, What would they have expected from a second term of this administration, did they have reason to fear, for example, a withdrawal of the "Advisors"from Vietnam.Attacks on the oil depletion allowance, and the federal reserve, attempts at detente with the Soviets, overtures to Castro, a moritorium on ICBM's. How would they have viewed this accomodation with communism. could they have viewed Kennedys removal as a constitutional act.

      THE VESTED INTEREST GROUP

The powerful have always projected their interests as the core values of the society they infest.To sustain this ideological mumbo jumbo, requires a quiescent and docile populace, and domination over the media.Did Kennedy pose a threat to the status quo? to understand this question we need to put ourselves in the shoes of the vested interest group. Their only values are power & money, money & power, in their eyes any person or group that threatens this is a dangerous subversive, and, through their own twisted logic, anti-American, this is how the trick works,"As our interests are identical to the interests of the American people, anyone who threatens them must be, by definition, against America.This, to be fair is not just an American mindset, all ruling classes use a variation of this to justify their appropriation of the surplus value.I believe this group felt threatened by the Kennedy administration, and by their way of thinking, had good reason to fear a second term,with the strong possibility of RFK running in 68,this was all the justification they needed."In fair Verona where we set our scene, civil blood makes civil hands unclean"

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Stephen;

You are far closer to the answer than perhaps even you are aware.

REX

____

Motto: "Pro Bono Publico" ("For the Public Good")

http://www.novareinna.com/festive/krewes.html

Not to mention the forced integration of their "Beloved Tulane" in early 1963.

Tom

P.S. Of course, if one should begin to get too close, I am certain that they have another "Clay Shaw" to sacrifice to the gods.

P.P.S. The "Boston Club" of New Orleans is not named directly after Boston, MA.

It is fact named after the card game "Boston" in which Frenchmen who fought in the revolutionary war developed the game in which many a fortune has been made and lost.

The game of "Boston" was in fact a variation of the game of "Whist", in which later versions became "Bridge".

Within the "Boston Club" membership and "REX", lies the money and power of New Orleans, LA, as well as much of the South.

In 1963, there were few members who could not trace their direct linage to the Confederacy, as well as Tulane University.

That goes for the Boston Club as well as REX.

http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2...1-16/blake.html

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

And, in event it was missed when previously provided:

FOR AMERICA

____________

Type Entity: Non-Profit Corporation

Mailing Address: 208 LaSalle St. Chicago, ILL*

Registered Agent: Charles E. Dunbar, Jr. New Orleans, LA

Registered Agent: Sumter D. Marks, Jr. New Orleans, LA

Registered Agent: Louis B. Claverie, New Orleans, LA

Qualified: 1954

*208 LaSalle St., Chicago, IL, of course also being the address of the "Travellers Aide Society", from whom LHO received his financial assistance upon his return from the Soviet Union.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Just in event I need continue:

VIGILANCE INCORPORATED

_______________________

Type Entity: Non-Profit Corporation

Qualified: 03/16/1951

Domicile Address: 100 W 10th St. Wilmington, DE, 19801

Registered Agent: Charles E. Dunbar, 1300 Hibernia Bank Bldg., New Orleans, LA

Registered Agent: Sumter D. Marks, 1300 Hibernia Bank Bldg., New Orleans, LA

Registered Agent: Louis B. Claverie, 1300 Hibernia Bank bldg., New Orleans, LA

____________________________________________________________________

Of course, most know what has been said of "Those Deleware Corporations".

Tom

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CUBAN AMERICAN NICKEL COMPANY

_______________________________

Type Entity: Business Corporation (Non-Louisiana)

Domicile Address: 100 W. 10th St. Wilmington, DE 19801