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In "Disappearing Witnesses," Penn Jones wrote: "(Elardio) Del Valle had been identifying some men in a photo taken in New Orleans for Jim Garrison. One of the men in the photo was Lee Harvey Oswald."

1) Does anyone know whether or not this is true? If it is true, then:

2) Which photo was Jones writing about? Is it from the film footage (taken by a television station) of L.H.O. handing out his infamous "Fair Play for Cuba" flyers?

3) Do you think this is why Del Valle was killed?

Thanks, Thomas

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In "Disappearing Witnesses," Penn Jones wrote: "(Elardio) Del Valle had been identifying some men in a photo taken in New Orleans for Jim Garrison. One of the men in the photo was Lee Harvey Oswald."

1) Does anyone know whether or not this is true? If it is true, then:

2) Which photo was Jones writing about? Is it from the film footage (taken by a television station) of L.H.O. handing out his infamous "Fair Play for Cuba" flyers?

3) Do you think this is why Del Valle was killed?

Thanks, Thomas

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In "Disappearing Witnesses," Penn Jones wrote: "(Elardio) Del Valle had been identifying some men in a photo taken in New Orleans for Jim Garrison. One of the men in the photo was Lee Harvey Oswald."

1) Does anyone know whether or not this is true? If it is true, then:

2) Which photo was Jones writing about? Is it from the film footage (taken by a television station) of L.H.O. handing out his infamous "Fair Play for Cuba" flyers?

3) Do you think this is why Del Valle was killed?

Thomas,

Gordon Winslow, the archivist of city of Miami, who put together the original JFK Researchers Directory, and attempted to have the tapes of the COPA-CUBAN meetings transcribed, once did a COPA conference presentation on the details of the Del Valle murder, debunking many of the distorted reportings on the incident. I'm not familiar with those details but they might be on his web site, I think it's called Cuban Archives or something like that. The DelValle murder is also mentioned in Mellen's book.

GPH and others probably know more, but Gordon's site is where I would go to answer your questions.

B. Kelly

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In "Disappearing Witnesses," Penn Jones wrote: "(Elardio) Del Valle had been identifying some men in a photo taken in New Orleans for Jim Garrison. One of the men in the photo was Lee Harvey Oswald."

1) Does anyone know whether or not this is true? If it is true, then:

2) Which photo was Jones writing about? Is it from the film footage (taken by a television station) of L.H.O. handing out his infamous "Fair Play for Cuba" flyers?

3) Do you think this is why Del Valle was killed?

Thomas,

Gordon Winslow, the archivist of city of Miami, who put together the original JFK Researchers Directory, and attempted to have the tapes of the COPA-CUBAN meetings transcribed, once did a COPA conference presentation on the details of the Del Valle murder, debunking many of the distorted reportings on the incident. I'm not familiar with those details but they might be on his web site, I think it's called Cuban Archives or something like that. The DelValle murder is also mentioned in Mellen's book.

GPH and others probably know more, but Gordon's site is where I would go to answer your questions.

B. Kelly

bkjfk3@yahoo.com

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Bill:

Nicaraguan President Anastasio Somoza DeBayle traveled to New York City during the Summer of 1970, and this was so that he might attend the 25th anniversary of his assassinated father's signing of the original draft Charter of the United Nations.

During that same week he came down to Port Norris, NJ to visit with us [Capt. Hans Guda Milton, et al.] at the local [DOD contractor] boat yard -- situated on theDelaware River. He, and his armored car "convoy" cohorts admired the converted "Bug-Eye" Schooners -- purchased as additions to his ever growing lobster fishing fleet industries.

The schooners, [originally built as single & two masted sailing vessels] had been converted to diesel power years before.

The tax incentives had permitted the owners to re-invest all tax monies directly back into the constant improvement of the schooners. Most of the "wheel-houses" were paneled in fine woods, and reminded me of high class lawyer's offices !!

However, and due to the MX parasite infestation of both the Delaware and Chesapeake Bays, the Oyster and Clam "Drudgers" [local terminology] had been tied up to their docks for months. When their "bean counters" advised them that: Even more tax refunds would be forthcoming upon the sale of said "jinxed" vessels -- they were all put on the market !!]

We had purchased two of the schooners, [one for $5,500 & the other for $6,500] and they were the "Crown Jewels" of that fleet. Somoza was extremely pleased, and handed the boat yard owner a paper bag full of cash. He told him to continue with the "corking", [caulking of the hull seams] engine rebuilding, etc.; "El Prez" then departed in a roar of armored cars -- all escorted by Secret Service, NJ State, NY State, and a few very happy local & county police cars and motors.

The boat yard owner asked: "...And just who was that gentleman...and why all of the hullabaloo with the cop cars...??!! I responded: "....John...what you are really asking is...who the hell was that masked man...?!!"

Even after a short explanation, he was even more mystified; as he had never even heard of a country called "Nicka-wawg-waw" and could even care less. He was thoroughly unimpressed. I told him to just count the money, and give us a receipt -- and "don't sweat the petty xxxx"!!

Once back in Miami, at Capt. Milton's "7 Seas Enterprises, Ltd." office [7th floor, Ingraham Building, downtown Miami] we finished up the "Mackerel Fleet" sales exemption documents for the Dept. of Commerce.

[Capt. Milton was well known to Grant Stockdale, and Hans had completed a "Marine Survey" of His ?? yacht a few weeks before his tragic fall ?? from his office !!]

That same week we were visited by an old associate of the Cuban exiles, one Teodisio Bahadu. He was there to inquired as to the purchase of some surplus U.S. Coast Guard patrol boats [wooden hulled ASR-81 boats] -- and he wanted the very same deal that had been given to "Fiorini's" buddy Pedro Diaz Lanz for his "81-Boat" !!

Capt. Milton explained that said sale had been made prior to the BOP, and that prices were somewhat higher now. As an example, he mentioned the cost of Aldo Vera's "81-Boat", and that an additional $5K had been invested by Aldo in switching the Alllison aircraft engines over to "GMC-671s".

Bahadu snorted that Vera's boat was "junk" and that he got suckered in paying double the "pre-BOP" CIA prices !! I interrupted stating that: Aldo Vera's "PT Boat" was kept tied up at my dock -- 55 feet in front of my apartment on "Just Isle" [the ex-CIA safe-house cluster -- Miami River near NW 27th Avenue Bridge] -- and since I was caretaker, I spent considerable time onboard; and it was a great boat.

When I mentioned that Eladio "Gito" Del Valle had never once "bitched" about our boat prices for his set of "81-Boats" -- Bahadu just snorted, and mumbled something in Arabic. I then qualified that statement by referring to "Gito's" wealth, and the fact that he always had carried a "Gold-Plated" German P-38 "Pistole".

[Hinting that perhaps Teodision was poor and couldn't afford things now]

Bahadu then retorted: "..Well..that 'hijo de puta' is good and dead now...and I now am the sole owner of his P-38, CIA Rolex Watch, pinky ring, faggot necklass, and a few other things..."!!

I queried as to whether he was a relative, or had some family member -- given or sold said items to him??

He leaned across the desk with a nasty glare in his eyes and shouted: "NO Gerry...I took them off of his already stinking body...after I had chopped his fingers...and his head with THIS..!!"

He pulled a BOLO Knife out of his belt...and threw it on the desk...!!" With my anal orifice suddenly crimped down to the point that a "Q-Tip" wouldn't have passed -- I gleefully?? stated that it was the exact same model as my WWII Marine Corps Bolo.

At that moment, Hans jumped up and shouted that he would NOT stand for any SHOUTING in his office -- and that he would not tolerate any more talk about Gito's demise !! [although put in his Swedish version of English -- and with his typically humorous abuse of same]

Bahadu was eventually indicted for the murder, but somehow "skated".

While Bahadu did indeed [ and much later] further expound upon Gito's "secret missions" with "that Kennedy punk CIA group", he did this in a way that more than hinted that: should I 'accidently" reveal anything, I would surely have a "fatal accident" !! [experienced some more of my sphincter tightening as usual]

Indeed !! A rather complete set of files of the Dade County [11th Judicial Circuit] Criminal Courts records [state vs: Bahadu] are on Gordon Winslow's website !!

Chairs,

GPH

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Bill:

Nicaraguan President Anastasio Somoza DeBayle traveled to New York City during the Summer of 1970, and this was so that he might attend the 25th anniversary of his assassinated father's signing of the original draft Charter of the United Nations.

During that same week he came down to Port Norris, NJ to visit with us [Capt. Hans Guda Milton, et al.] at the local [DOD contractor] boat yard -- situated on the Delaware River. He, and his armored car "convoy" cohorts admired the converted "Bug-Eye" Schooners -- purchased as additions to his ever growing lobster fishing fleet industries.

YO! GERR....NOW YOUR RUMMAGING AROUND IN MY BACKYARD.

PORT NORRIS, NJ IS JUST UP THE MAURICE CREEK, WHICH IS PRETTY RURAL.

CAPT. MILTON SOUNDS LIKE AN INTERESTING CHARACTER, TYPICAL JERSEY PINEY FISHERMAN.

I LIKE THE IDEA OF REFERBISHING THE OLD SCHOONERS WITH DIESELS. I'M SURE THE HULL DESIGN WAS JUST AS SLEEK AND FAST AND GOOD IN SHALLOW WATERS. THERE'S ONLY ONE OF THE OLD OYSTER SCHOONER FLEET LEFT ALIVE - THE M.J. MEERRIWALD, WHICH WAS FOUND ABANDONED AND BEACHED IN THE MARSHS [NOT FAR FROM WHERE THE PARALAX VIEW NOVEL'S HERO IS KILLED]. IT HAD BEEN REFITTED WITH A DIESEL, SO MAYBE IT WAS ONE OF MILTON-SOMOZAS.

IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE THAT ANASTASIO HIMSELF WAS IN PORT NORRIS. HE WAS SUPPORTED BY THE CIA'S PHILADELPHIA BAGMAN - CUMMINS CATHERWOOD, AND CIA GUY G. WHARTON SHOBER AND HIS CUBAN AID RELIEF (CAR). SHOBER WAS THE ADMINISTRATOR OF HANNAHAMAN HOSPITAL IN PHILADELPHIA (ARMY RESEARCH INSTITUTE) WHERE HE ARRANGED FOR ANASTASIO SOMOZA TO RECEIVE AN HONORAY DEGREE - OVER THE OBJECTONS OF FACULTY AND STAFF - WHICH MAY BE AT THE SAME TIME AS THE VISIT YOU DESCRIBE.

The schooners, [originally built as single & two masted sailing vessels] had been converted to diesel power years before.....We had purchased two of the schooners, [one for $5,500 & the other for $6,500] and they were the "Crown Jewels" of that fleet. Somoza was extremely pleased, and handed the boat yard owner a paper bag full of cash. He told him to continue with the "corking", [caulking of the hull seams] engine rebuilding, etc.; "El Prez" then departed in a roar of armored cars -- all escorted by Secret Service, NJ State, NY State, and a few very happy local & county police cars and motors.

The boat yard owner asked: "...And just who was that gentleman...and why all of the hullabaloo with the cop cars...??!! I responded: "....John...what you are really asking is...who the hell was that masked man...?!!"

Even after a short explanation, he was even more mystified; as he had never even heard of a country called "Nicka-wawg-waw" and could even care less. He was thoroughly unimpressed. I told him to just count the money, and give us a receipt -- and "don't sweat the petty xxxx"!!

Once back in Miami, at Capt. Milton's "7 Seas Enterprises, Ltd." office [7th floor, Ingraham Building, downtown Miami] we finished up the "Mackerel Fleet" sales exemption documents for the Dept. of Commerce....[Capt. Milton was well known to Grant Stockdale, and Hans had completed a "Marine Survey" of His ?? yacht a few weeks before his tragic fall ?? from his office !!]

MILTON 7 STOCKDALE? BIG JOHN WILL TWITCH WHEN HE READS THAT. THE RATS WILL PLAY WHILE THE CATS AWAY.

WILL CHECK MY LOCAL SOURCES ON YOUR CAPT. MILTON.

YOU GOT ANY MORE ON THE 7 SEAS ENTERPRISES?

MUST TALK SOME MORE ABOUT THE BOATS - THE REX AND THE NEW LCS?

B. KELLY

BKJF.3@YAHOO.COM

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GPH wrote:

Bill:

Nicaraguan President Anastasio Somoza DeBayle traveled to New York City during the Summer of 1970, and this was so that he might attend the 25th anniversary of his assassinated father's signing of the original draft Charter of the United Nations.

During that same week he came down to Port Norris, NJ to visit with us [Capt. Hans Guda Milton, et al.] at the local [DOD contractor] boat yard -- situated on the Delaware River. He, and his armored car "convoy" cohorts admired the converted "Bug-Eye" Schooners -- purchased as additions to his ever growing lobster fishing fleet industries.

YO! GERR....NOW YOUR RUMMAGING AROUND IN MY BACKYARD.

PORT NORRIS, NJ IS JUST UP THE MAURICE CREEK, WHICH IS PRETTY RURAL.

CAPT. MILTON SOUNDS LIKE AN INTERESTING CHARACTER, TYPICAL JERSEY PINEY FISHERMAN.

I LIKE THE IDEA OF REFERBISHING THE OLD SCHOONERS WITH DIESELS. I'M SURE THE HULL DESIGN WASJUST AS SLEEK AND FAST AND GOOD IN SHALLOW WATERS. THERE'S ONLY ONE OF THE OLD OYSTER SCHOONER FLEET LEFT ALIVE - THE M.J. MEERRIWALD, WHICH WAS FOUND ABANDONED AND BEACHED IN THE MARSHS [NOT FAR FROM WHERE THE PARALAX VIEW NOVEL'S HERO IS KILLED]. IT HAD BEEN REFITTED WITH A DIESEL, SO MAYBE IT WAS ONE OF MILTON-SOMOZAS.

IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE THAT ANASTASIO HIMSELF WAS IN PORT NORRIS. HE WAS SUPPORTED BY THE CIA'S PHILADELPHIA BAGMAN - CUMMINS CATHERWOOD, AND CIA GUY G. WHARTON SHOBER AND HIS CUBAN AID RELIEF (CAR). SHOBER WAS THE ADMINISTRATOR OF HANNAHAMAN HOSPITAL IN PHILADELPHIA (ARMY RESEARCH INSTITUTE) WHERE HE ARRANGED FOR ANASTASIO SOMOZA TO RECEIVE AN HONORAY DEGREE - OVER THE OBJECTONS OF FACULTY AND STAFF - WHICH MAY BE AT THE SAME TIME AS THE VISIT YOU DESCRIBE.

The schooners, [originally built as single & two masted sailing vessels] had been converted to diesel power years before.....We had purchased two of the schooners, [one for $5,500 & the other for $6,500] and they were the "Crown Jewels" of that fleet. Somoza was extremely pleased, and handed the boat yard owner a paper bag full of cash. He told him to continue with the "corking", [caulking of the hull seams] engine rebuilding, etc.; "El Prez" then departed in a roar of armored cars -- all escorted by Secret Service, NJ State, NY State, and a few very happy local & county police cars and motors.

The boat yard owner asked: "...And just who was that gentleman...and why all of the hullabaloo with the cop cars...??!! I responded: "....John...what you are really asking is...who the hell was that masked man...?!!"

Even after a short explanation, he was even more mystified; as he had never even heard of a country called "Nicka-wawg-waw" and could even care less. He was thoroughly unimpressed. I told him to just count the money, and give us a receipt -- and "don't sweat the petty xxxx"!!

Once back in Miami, at Capt. Milton's "7 Seas Enterprises, Ltd." office [7th floor, Ingraham Building, downtown Miami] we finished up the "Mackerel Fleet" sales exemption documents for the Dept. of Commerce....[Capt. Milton was well known to Grant Stockdale, and Hans had completed a "Marine Survey" of His ?? yacht a few weeks before his tragic fall ?? from his office !!]

MILTON 7 STOCKDALE? BIG JOHN WILL TWITCH WHEN HE READS THAT. THE RATS WILL PLAY WHILE THE CATS AWAY.

WILL CHECK MY LOCAL SOURCES ON YOUR CAPT. MILTON.

YOU GOT ANY MORE ON THE 7 SEAS ENTERPRISES?

MUST TALK SOME MORE ABOUT THE BOATS - THE REX AND THE NEW LCS?

B. KELLY

BKJF.3@YAHOO.COM

Speaking of schooners, one wonders if Gerry may have heard of the Elsie M. Reichert whose craft was operated by an individual named Jack Lawrence, hmmm Jack Lawrence he is on the record as having been into the whole Castro thing....Well, the story goes something like this, it seems the Agency ran across Jack Lawrence circa, Sept. 1962 who told of his unfortunate encounter with a Cuban underground organization

104-10073-10170

80T01357A

ORIGINATOR: CIA

FROM: CHIEF, NEW ORLEANS OFFICE

TO: CHIEF, CONTACT DIVISION

The Sailing Vessel Elsie M Reichert

1. On 21, Sep 1962, a young man who said that his name was Jack Lawrence called our office and told a rather fantastic story about his involvement with a Cuban underground organization and, possibly with a CIA representative who gave the name Larry Laborde.

2. We will not burden you with all of the details but in summary, Lawrence says he owns a 78-foot schooner named the Elsie M. Reichert, which craft is documented in his name, and that several months ago he made an agreement with Laborde to use the boat in transporting food and medical supplies to the anti-Castro forces in Cuba. Laborde, according to Lawrence, provisioned the vessel for a trip to Miami, Florida and paid for some necessary and rather extensive repairs to the hull and rigging. The schooner with Lawrence in command, and with a crew of two other young men from New Orleans, set sail here and after a series of misadventures finally arrived in Miami. By that time Lawrence and the two other crew numbers were ompletely out of funds and they were unsuccessful in obtaining any relief from the contacts they had been told to make in Miami.

3. Since his return to New Orleans, which was accomplished by funds sent to him by his mother, Lawrence has been unable to make contact with Laborde, but understands Laborde's wife and son are still living at their home here in New Orleans. Lawrence was uncertain about the address, but it is probably located at 219 South Pierce Street. The New Orleans City Address lists this address, as belonging to one Lawrence J. Laborde, whose occupation is given as "Engineer." Lawrence is very anxious to know what he should do with his schoone, which is presently moored in the Miami River at a cost of $6.00 dollars a day. He would like to go ahead with his project of ferrying food and medical supplies to the anti-Castro forces if CIA is still interested. If not he would like to dispose of the schooner for something in the neighborhood of $9,500.00

he states that he paid for it.

4. We have never had any contact with Laborde, and we do not know, of course whether he is a CIA representative. If he was, or is, representing the agency, it may be that there is still interest in Lawrence and his boat. If so, DD/P representatives may wish to tell Lawrence whether they are still interested in his project. Lawrence's home address is 213 Margeruite Road, Metarie, Louisiana and his phone number is Vernon3-1132. He was born 12 Jan 33 in Galveston, Texas and is at present unemployed.

5. We suggested to Lawrence that his project was probably in vioation of the Neutrality Act, but he checked with the FBI and they sent him to us.

6. We have no personal interest in Lawrence but he apparently has gotten a rather raw deal in this matter and we sympathize with him. If we can give him any information which would enable him to recoup some of his losses we would be happy to do so.

END

Whether Jack continued in his capacity as the ferryman, is probably not a fertile area of study compared to what kind of unfortunate situation Mr Lawrence found himself in on November 22, 1963. I suppose I would be sweating and vomiting too, when I came back from lunch that day, and had left a car, ostensibly parked around the TSBD. The story goes that after Jack left Big "D," he told the good folks at Downtown Dallas Lincoln Mercury he was taking a car to be dropped off somewhere in California, but he did not divulge the name of said locale. At any rate, the folks at the Lincoln Mercury dealership were probably more than glad to see him go.

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Speaking of schooners, one wonders if Gerry may have heard of the Elsie M. Reichert whose craft was operated by an individual named Jack Lawrence, hmmm Jack Lawrence he is on the record as having been into the whole Castro thing....Well, the story goes something like this, it seems the Agency ran across Jack Lawrence circa, Sept. 1962 who told of his unfortunate encounter with a Cuban underground organization

104-10073-10170

80T01357A

ORIGINATOR: CIA

FROM: CHIEF, NEW ORLEANS OFFICE

TO: CHIEF, CONTACT DIVISION

The Sailing Vessel Elsie M Reichert

1. On 21, Sep 1962, a young man who said that his name was Jack Lawrence called our office and told a rather fantastic story about his involvement with a Cuban underground organization and, possibly with a CIA representative who gave the name Larry Laborde.

2. We will not burden you with all of the details but in summary, Lawrence says he owns a 78-foot schooner named the Elsie M. Reichert, which craft is documented in his name, and that several months ago he made an agreement with Laborde to use the boat in transporting food and medical supplies to the anti-Castro forces in Cuba. Laborde, according to Lawrence, provisioned the vessel for a trip to Miami, Florida and paid for some necessary and rather extensive repairs to the hull and rigging. The schooner with Lawrence in command, and with a crew of two other young men from New Orleans, set sail here and after a series of misadventures finally arrived in Miami. By that time Lawrence and the two other crew numbers were ompletely out of funds and they were unsuccessful in obtaining any relief from the contacts they had been told to make in Miami.

3. Since his return to New Orleans, which was accomplished by funds sent to him by his mother, Lawrence has been unable to make contact with Laborde, but understands Laborde's wife and son are still living at their home here in New Orleans. Lawrence was uncertain about the address, but it is probably located at 219 South Pierce Street. The New Orleans City Address lists this address, as belonging to one Lawrence J. Laborde, whose occupation is given as "Engineer." Lawrence is very anxious to know what he should do with his schoone, which is presently moored in the Miami River at a cost of $6.00 dollars a day. He would like to go ahead with his project of ferrying food and medical supplies to the anti-Castro forces if CIA is still interested. If not he would like to dispose of the schooner for something in the neighborhood of $9,500.00

he states that he paid for it.

4. We have never had any contact with Laborde, and we do not know, of course whether he is a CIA representative. If he was, or is, representing the agency, it may be that there is still interest in Lawrence and his boat. If so, DD/P representatives may wish to tell Lawrence whether they are still interested in his project. Lawrence's home address is 213 Margeruite Road, Metarie, Louisiana and his phone number is Vernon3-1132. He was born 12 Jan 33 in Galveston, Texas and is at present unemployed.

5. We suggested to Lawrence that his project was probably in vioation of the Neutrality Act, but he checked with the FBI and they sent him to us.

6. We have no personal interest in Lawrence but he apparently has gotten a rather raw deal in this matter and we sympathize with him. If we can give him any information which would enable him to recoup some of his losses we would be happy to do so.

END

Whether Jack continued in his capacity as the ferryman, is probably not a fertile area of study compared to what kind of unfortunate situation Mr Lawrence found himself in on November 22, 1963. I suppose I would be sweating and vomiting too, when I came back from lunch that day, and had left a car, ostensibly parked around the TSBD. The story goes that after Jack left Big "D," he told the good folks at Downtown Dallas Lincoln Mercury he was taking a car to be dropped off somewhere in California, but he did not divulge the name of said locale. At any rate, the folks at the Lincoln Mercury dealership were probably more than glad to see him go.

Hello Robert,

FYI There are TWO JACK LAWRENCE in JFK - one from W. Va., former employee of Fla. Defense Contractor, who worked at Downtown Linc Merc, and is extensively interviewed in Third/Fourth Decade, and is currently a preacher in W. Va., and the other Jack Lawerence, currently of Texas, who went out of his way to meet me at a Dallas COPA a few years ago. The latter Jack Lawrence has been corresponding with me recently, and I believe is the Jack Lawrence you are refering to. Will send him a note to join forum.

BK

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Speaking of schooners, one wonders if Gerry may have heard of the Elsie M. Reichert whose craft was operated by an individual named Jack Lawrence, hmmm Jack Lawrence he is on the record as having been into the whole Castro thing....Well, the story goes something like this, it seems the Agency ran across Jack Lawrence circa, Sept. 1962 who told of his unfortunate encounter with a Cuban underground organization

104-10073-10170

80T01357A

ORIGINATOR: CIA

FROM: CHIEF, NEW ORLEANS OFFICE

TO: CHIEF, CONTACT DIVISION

The Sailing Vessel Elsie M Reichert

1. On 21, Sep 1962, a young man who said that his name was Jack Lawrence called our office and told a rather fantastic story about his involvement with a Cuban underground organization and, possibly with a CIA representative who gave the name Larry Laborde.

2. We will not burden you with all of the details but in summary, Lawrence says he owns a 78-foot schooner named the Elsie M. Reichert, which craft is documented in his name, and that several months ago he made an agreement with Laborde to use the boat in transporting food and medical supplies to the anti-Castro forces in Cuba. Laborde, according to Lawrence, provisioned the vessel for a trip to Miami, Florida and paid for some necessary and rather extensive repairs to the hull and rigging. The schooner with Lawrence in command, and with a crew of two other young men from New Orleans, set sail here and after a series of misadventures finally arrived in Miami. By that time Lawrence and the two other crew numbers were ompletely out of funds and they were unsuccessful in obtaining any relief from the contacts they had been told to make in Miami.

3. Since his return to New Orleans, which was accomplished by funds sent to him by his mother, Lawrence has been unable to make contact with Laborde, but understands Laborde's wife and son are still living at their home here in New Orleans. Lawrence was uncertain about the address, but it is probably located at 219 South Pierce Street. The New Orleans City Address lists this address, as belonging to one Lawrence J. Laborde, whose occupation is given as "Engineer." Lawrence is very anxious to know what he should do with his schoone, which is presently moored in the Miami River at a cost of $6.00 dollars a day. He would like to go ahead with his project of ferrying food and medical supplies to the anti-Castro forces if CIA is still interested. If not he would like to dispose of the schooner for something in the neighborhood of $9,500.00

he states that he paid for it.

4. We have never had any contact with Laborde, and we do not know, of course whether he is a CIA representative. If he was, or is, representing the agency, it may be that there is still interest in Lawrence and his boat. If so, DD/P representatives may wish to tell Lawrence whether they are still interested in his project. Lawrence's home address is 213 Margeruite Road, Metarie, Louisiana and his phone number is Vernon3-1132. He was born 12 Jan 33 in Galveston, Texas and is at present unemployed.

5. We suggested to Lawrence that his project was probably in vioation of the Neutrality Act, but he checked with the FBI and they sent him to us.

6. We have no personal interest in Lawrence but he apparently has gotten a rather raw deal in this matter and we sympathize with him. If we can give him any information which would enable him to recoup some of his losses we would be happy to do so.

END

Whether Jack continued in his capacity as the ferryman, is probably not a fertile area of study compared to what kind of unfortunate situation Mr Lawrence found himself in on November 22, 1963. I suppose I would be sweating and vomiting too, when I came back from lunch that day, and had left a car, ostensibly parked around the TSBD. The story goes that after Jack left Big "D," he told the good folks at Downtown Dallas Lincoln Mercury he was taking a car to be dropped off somewhere in California, but he did not divulge the name of said locale. At any rate, the folks at the Lincoln Mercury dealership were probably more than glad to see him go.

Hello Robert,

FYI There are TWO JACK LAWRENCE in JFK - one from W. Va., former employee of Fla. Defense Contractor, who worked at Downtown Linc Merc, and is extensively interviewed in Third/Fourth Decade, and is currently a preacher in W. Va., and the other Jack Lawerence, currently of Texas, who went out of his way to meet me at a Dallas COPA a few years ago. The latter Jack Lawrence has been corresponding with me recently, and I believe is the Jack Lawrence you are refering to. Will send him a note to join forum.

BK

Sorry, it took so long to respond, I was wiping the egg off my face, egads.

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