Seth Kantor

[Joe Bauer]

On 1/26/2020 at 6:40 AM, Joe Bauer said:

Ron, I'm providing a link to an interview of one of the first Jack Ruby trial jurors - J. Waymon Rose.

This March 20th, 2013 interview is just one of many by the Texas School Book Depository Sixth Floor Museum in their "Living History" series.

Just past the 43 minute mark you will hear Mr. Rose state one of his main reasons for voting Ruby guilty of planning the murder of Lee Harvey Oswald versus Ruby's defense team's claim it was an "unplanned" impulsive act born out of some brain damage or his love for Jackie and wanting to protect her from having to endure a trial of a living Oswald.

Rose states his suspicion about Ruby's long stay inside the Dallas Morning News building on 11,22,1963 and especially up to and through the actual JFK/Jackie Kennedy motorcade which was happening just beneath him on the streets below.

Rose figured that if Ruby defense attorney Melvin Belli's claim that Ruby loved the Kennedys so much was true ( Rose mistakenly says "Ruby" instead of "Kennedy" while saying this ) he would have been on the ground to see his beloved President and wife.

Rose also stated a logical thought rational for his suspicion regards Ruby's unprecedented long stay inside the DMN building based on Ruby's history of placing ads for his strip club in the paper and how this action was something that took a much shorter time than many hours. In fact, Rose stated he felt Ruby could have even done this regular ad placement business over the phone!

Juror Rose obviously was suspicious enough about Ruby's long stay in the DMN building during a time when Ruby's claimed love for the Kennedy's would indicated it's illogicality, to not believe Ruby's stated explanation claims for this irregular action.

Would you consider this recollection testimonial by Ruby trial juror J.Waymon Rose ( I know it wasn't given under oath ) at least somewhat corroborative of Jack Ruby's presence in the DMN building at least until after the JFK assassination at 12:30 PM on 11,22,1963? 

 

 

 

Living History with J. Waymon Rose

 

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Ruby didn't like crowds?

Like major boxing event, ice skating rink, state fair and Dallas PD Oswald parading around ones? Let alone his own packed Carousel Club ones with ocassional MC duties there?

[Joe Bauer]

9 minutes ago, Joe Bauer said:

 

Living History interviewer asked Jack Ruby trial juror J. Waymon Rose..."what was Ruby's demeanor, his facial expressions during the trial?"

Rose " He was stoic, almost a statue...almost a robot" the entire time.

Hot headed Jack Ruby, like " a statue ", "a robot" emotionally for 10 days from March 4th thru the 14th? 

You have to wonder if they didn't inject highly emotional Ruby with sedative shots every day?

[Joe Bauer]

1 hour ago, Joe Bauer said:

Rose states his suspicion about Ruby's long stay inside the Dallas Morning News building on 11,22,1963 and especially up to and through the actual JFK/Jackie Kennedy motorcade which was happening just beneath him on the streets below.

Rose figured that if Ruby defense attorney Melvin Belli's claim that Ruby loved the Kennedys so much was true ( Rose mistakenly says "Ruby" instead of "Kennedy" while saying this ) he would have been on the ground to see his beloved President and wife.

Rose also stated a logical thought rational for his suspicion regards Ruby's unprecedented long stay inside the DMN building based on Ruby's history of placing ads for his strip club in the paper and how this action was something that took a much shorter time than many hours. In fact, Rose stated he felt Ruby could have even done this regular ad placement business over the phone!

Juror Rose obviously was suspicious enough about Ruby's long stay in the DMN building during a time when Ruby's claimed love for the Kennedy's would suggest his wanting to see them in person, to not believe Ruby's stated explanation claims for this illogical action.

I believe Ruby's illogical long stay at the DMN offices that entire morning until after JFK was shot was probably a planned effort on Ruby's part to provide him with an air-tight eye-witness proven, away from the scene of the crime location and actions alibi during the entire JFK motorcade and murder time frame.

Juror Rose similarly expressed his feeling that Ruby's long stay at the DMN offices that big event day was just too illogical for it not to be highly suspicious in his mind.

Juror Rose stated his common sense thought that if Ruby loved JFK ( and especially Jackie Kennedy ) as much as Ruby and a few of his close acquaintances said he did, that he would have wanted to see them in the flesh and not hole up in some business offices instead. 

Ruby could have done his ad business in one half hour's time. He could even have done it over the phone!

The DMN employees must have thought, why is this overly talkative eccentric strip joint owner guy hanging around here jabbering for hours!

We've got work to do.

Edited March 30, 2023 by Joe Bauer

[Joe Bauer]

There was more background information withheld on Jack Ruby by the FBI and other agencies than any other major player in the entire JFKA affair.

Even when Seth Kantor's intrepid research revealed much of this hidden Ruby history information, the MSM purposely left it alone.

What Seth Kantor discovered and published about Ruby was and always will be one of the most important foundational Keystone truth revealing aspects to the quick action removal of Lee Harvey Oswald by Ruby. 

The removal of the most important criminal suspect in American history.

A living Lee Harvey Oswald was by far "the" best chance key America had in knowing the full truth about the JFKA.

Jack Ruby single handedly destroyed that key.

Thanks a lot ... "Sparky."

Knowing the full background of Oswald's assassin is absolutely paramount in the entire scope of the JFKA truth.

Thank you Seth Kantor for your valiant efforts to provide us with the full background truth regards Jack Ruby.

Something our own government  ( and MSM ) failed to do - purposely.

[Joe Bauer]

Seth Kantor.

A truly heroic figure in my opinion.

[Nick Bartetzko]

I never got around to reading Kantor's book. Still have if after all these years....

[Sean Coleman]

A good book written at the time by someone knew him. 
Turns out Jack had problems with multiple failed businesses, his (non-practicing) Jewishness and a “preference for male company.” Also had a penchant for beating up drunks and women. His fists did a lot of talking.

A scruffy, unremarkable, troubled little man. 
Who also forgot he spoke to Seth K at Parkland. 

[Sean Coleman]

..forgot….he also had a massive cop fetish going on. Strange guy….

[Sean Coleman]

…who did actually commit THE crime of the century.

 

 

[Sean Coleman]

sorry, it was George Senator, JR’s ‘roommate’ Seth K described as ‘enjoying the company of men.’ But you get the gist of it…

i really should prepare more before posting.

[Joe Bauer]

The "crime of the century?"

How about "crimes" of the century.

The JFK, RFK and MLK assassinations.

And Ruby eliminating the most important criminal suspect in American history ( Lee Harvey Oswald ) within just hours of his arrest by the Dallas PD and in their own building is one of the top 4 or 5 crimes of the century as well.

All America had in finding out the truth behind the assassination of JFK was ... a living Lee Harvey Oswald.

And ole Jack Ruby destroyed that grand possibility in one magnificently improbable leap to within inches of the two policemen escorted Lee Oswald in a space tightly packed with 70 armed security personnel.

A white knight avenging the loss to and alleviating the suffering of his beloved Jackie Kennedy and to show the world that Jews had guts?

 

[Joe Bauer]

Just watched again the Seth Kantor testimony segment of the "Trial Of Lee Harvey Oswald" in which famous trial attorney Gerry Spence defends the late Lee Oswald and Charley Manson famous attorney Vincent Bugliosi takes on the prosecutorial role.

One part of their questioning of Seth Kantor intrigued me.

Spence brought up Kantor's Warren Commission sworn testimony account of seeing and talking to Jack Ruby inside the Parkland hospital complex just after JFK was brought to and treated there.

Spence of course believed Kantor's Ruby encounter at Parkland story.

When Bugliosi cross examined Kantor...he never "once" mentioned the Warren Commission finding that Kantor never encountered Jack Ruby at Parkland.

Instead, he framed his questions about Kantor's meet up with Ruby in a way that didn't doubt Kantor met Ruby there...and even asked Kantor about Ruby crying during it!

In so doing, Bugliosi was "affirming" Kantor actually seeing and interacting with Ruby at Parkland that afternoon.

In total disagreement with the Warren Commision finding that Kantor never saw and interacted with Jack Ruby at Parkland the afternoon of 11,22,1963.

A "thank you" shout out to Mr. Bugliosi.

The Warren Commission's dismissing Kantor's account of meeting and conversing with Ruby at Parkland hospital the afternoon of 11,22,1963 is one of the most outrageous credibility damaging actions of their entire investigation.

 

Edited September 9, 2023 by Joe Bauer