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Raymond

I'm sure that the forum would be glad to hear anything that Marina had to say, whether it had to do with my silly question or just her general views in this day and age.

You can find Marina's current views, if you really are interested, on DeLaRossa's website. I posted the link earlier on this thread.

If you and Marina do converse on a regular basis, why not just ask her sometime, heck she may get a big laugh out of it. She may of never even met Mr. Estes at all, who knows.

Like myself, Marina is interested in finding out the the truth about the assassination. I have no doubt that Billie Sol has nothing useful to say about the subject. Even if he did, no one in possession of rational faculties would take his word.

Instead of you just insisting that you are her mouth piece, why not show the forum that you have the juice and produce.

I don't see where you have standing to make a comment like this. If you have ever produced anything of value related to the JFK inquiry, then I, for one, have yet to hear about it.

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[quote name='Floyd Stephens' date='Jun 18 2006, 06:26 PM' post='65798']

Raymond

I'm a new member to the forum. You have stated that you know and are in contact with Marina.

In reading the recent book by Billie Sol Estes entitled Billie Sol Estes- A Texas Legend, "The Man Who Knows Who Shot JFK" he mentions that he has got to know Marina over the past serval years. Mr. Estes stated

that after a few phone calls that they had arraigned a meeting. In the book he said that there conversation would remain private, but then he throughs in a line something like this.

Hey Floyd

Great to see you posting, at last!!

Dawn

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Hey Floyd

Great to see you posting, at last!!

Dawn

A few days ago I received a PM from Dawn Meredith, asking me to give out Marina's contact information to a "nice guy" who wanted to ask a question of Marina. I emailed Dawn that I could not see the point, since Marina has already testified that she has no personal knowledge about the assassination, and has said the same thing ever since.

I now suspect that that the "nice guy" in question was Mr. Floyd, and I am very glad that nothing I have done will enable Mr. Floyd to trouble her with his nonsense.

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Raymond

I'm sure that the forum would be glad to hear anything that Marina had to say, whether it had to do with my silly question or just her general views in this day and age.

You can find Marina's current views, if you really are interested, on DeLaRossa's website. I posted the link earlier on this thread.

Could not find this link. Is it a page that is available to the general public or do you have to be a member of JFK Research to read it?

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[quote name='J. Raymond Carroll' date='Jun 19 2006, 12:24 PM' post='65856']

Hey Floyd

Great to see you posting, at last!!

Dawn

A few days ago I received a PM from Dawn Meredith, asking me to give out Marina's contact information to a "nice guy" who wanted to ask a question of Marina. I emailed Dawn that I could not see the point, since Marina has already testified that she has no personal knowledge about the assassination, and has said the same thing ever since.

I now suspect that that the "nice guy" in question was Mr. Floyd, and I am very glad that nothing I have done will enable Mr. Floyd to trouble her with his nonsense.

This is incorrect. I did PM you, and it was at Floyd's request but NOT to ask you to "give out" her contact information. I wrote that he would be PMing you and asking that you ask a question of her. I also referred to him as "a good guy" meaning one who is on the level and has a fascinating personal story to tell, as well as some questions to ask.

SInce you know nothing of his story you may call it "nonsense" all you wish.

Sorry to have bothered you and it will not occur again.

Dawn Meredith

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John,

He may be referring to the Marina Oswald Porter interview with Oprah Winfrey that originally aired in 1996.

http://www.jfkresearch.com/marina/marina.htm

Mike

This is indeed the link I was referring to.

I am not sure that this transcript is 100% accurate, but it it is probably close.

During the program Oprah showed a previously filmed interview with Oliver Stone in which Stone endorsed "Oswald Talked" by Ray and Mary La Fontaine:

When the show aired live, however, Oprah announced that Oliver Stone had called in during a break to say that he no longer endorsed the conclusions in "Oswald Talked."

What changed Oliver Stone's mind? I cannot say for sure, but I do know, via Debra Conway, that Stone had received a courtesy copy of the Fall 1996 Assassination Chronicles magazine, which was then edited by George Michael Evica. That issue contained a critical review of Oswald Talked, by yours truly.

Please see attached link, courtesy of Debra Conway. The page may take a little while to load: http://jfklancer.com/pdf/ostalked.pdf

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Ray,

Don't be so quick to judge. Among many other people, Marina would seem to be a good person to get on the witness stand one more time for old time's sake, just to see what she has to say this time.

You can be assured that she will stand by her previous testimony, and not just for old time's sake. After 40-odd years she has nothing new to add, and has forgotten a great deal. Of course her OPINIONS have changed through the years, but her opinions are not evidence.

Ray, you're assuming there are no new questions which could be put to her.

I believe she might still be able to help clarify what happened, what her relationship with Ruth Paine was about, whether Ruth was an on-hands operative keeping track and/or manipulating a lot of the incriminating evidence and circumstances, facilitating a conspiracy which set up Oswald, etc, etc, etc.......... Don't know if this contribution amounts to anything "of substance," but you did ask and there it is.

Dan

A number of researchers (Carol Hewitt is one) have delved deeply into the Paine's possible involvement and there have been several presentations at Lancer in recent years. As far as I know, no one has ever come up with any substantive reason to suspect either of the Paines. I'm pretty certain Marina does not suspect Ruth Paine, and the reason for that, no doubt, is that she is not aware of any evidence to base suspicions on. Of course Ruth did spy on Lee and copied one of his letters for the FBI,. She thought she was being patriotic, since he was writing to the Soviet Embassy. If she really was involved, she would have known that the FBI would intercept the letter on their own. So I don't see anything sinister about Ruth, and I'm certain Marina does not either.

Substantive reasons off the top:

1.Ruth Paine claimed Linnie Mae Randall told her there was a vacancy at the TSBD. Linnie Mae denied this.

2.Ruth Paine claimed she thought Oswald worked at the other ware-house, yet according to officers first to arrive, she claimed to have been expecting them.

3.A phone tap picked up a conversation made from Mike's office to the Paine residence in which it was said Oswald had done it, but "we both know who was responsible."

4.Michael Paine started attending right wing meetings from the time he separated from Ruth. It should be noted that members of CUSA split with partners prior to their infiltration efforts of r-w groups, and that Schmidt's first attempt was with the NIC... also Mike's first port of call, and around the same time.

5. Ruth stated in testimony that she could not recall who she dealt with in the State Dept concerning the Russian Student Exchange program. Ruth however, was noted for having excellent recall in general, and also noted for her meticulous record-keeping. I believe therefore, she could have supplied that information. The history of the Russian Student Exchange Program shows that Frederick Merrill had responsibility for approving all facets and stages of this program. During the same period, Merrill was the CIA money-man for anti-Communist Emigre groups. On the Russian side of the program, you had the Russian Cultural Attache whose ongoing connections to quakers led to an FBI double-agent sting. (for further on this search previous posts on the subject. Alse see George Michael Evica's new book which extended that research)

Marina will always be grateful for Ruth's friendship at that time in her life, but I suspect she has some lingering resentment that Ruth refused to carry out her husband's last request. She did not help him find a lawyer.

Its a long time since I read Marina & Lee by Priscilla Johnson MacMillan, but it is a very good book, in spite of its faults. I have it beside me as I write and I will re-read it when I get a chance. Marina poured her heart out to Priscilla and it all appears in the book. Pricilla also conducted extensive interviews with Ruth Paine.

It's a pity Miss Prissy didn't aknowledge ties to a Harvard Exchange student who "fortuitously" witnessed LHO's hissy fit in Snyder's office. Her mention of him, without that acknowledgement, looks bad. He had traveled down from Leningrad University to the Embassy for unknown reasons on a day it was supposed to be closed, against the conditions under which he was studying (no traveling solo anywhere). Said Student went on to become a noted Prof of Russian Studies.

Marina is still upset that the book was delayed for many years after the interviews were conducted. It is interesting that, while she was working on the Marina book, Priscilla was approached by the CIA to work on Svetlana Stalin's autobiobiography. Presumably, they made her an offer she couldn't refuse. There were many other writers who could have handled the Svetlana project, but this project caused Priscilla to delay Marina & Lee by ten years or more, until the public had lost interest.

Are you aware that the USG had given grave assurances to the Soviets that it would not seek to influence, exploit or interfere with Svetlana's book in any way, while secretly seeking "someone she could trust" to offer "guidance" on it? Enter Miss Prissy...

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Ray, you're assuming there are no new questions which could be put to her.

Greg, maybe there are new questions which could be put to Marina, but since she has testified repeatedly that she has no personal knowledge of the assassination or the murder of JD Tippit, any such questions would be of curiosity value only.

As for Ruth Paine and Priscilla Johnson McMillan, I have very limited interest in either of them and nothing useful to say. But I do not believe that the JFK assassination conspiracy will ever be solved by focussing on a pair of eccentric old ladies whose lives just happened to have intersected with Lee Oswald's. The killers were a different breed of animal entirely, IMO.

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Ray, you're assuming there are no new questions which could be put to her.

Greg, maybe there are new questions which could be put to Marina, but since she has testified repeatedly that she has no personal knowledge of the assassination or the murder of JD Tippit, any such questions would be of curiosity value only.

Ray, not all witnesses giving testimony in trials have direct knowledge of the crime. Some may be experts in certain fields, others may be called to corroborate alibis, still others may have pertinent background information which adds to an overall picture one way or another. Marina, I believe, has such information -- information she has never been asked to explain. I refer here to pages of John Pic's notebook. He testified that he kept this notebook to record mileage. This is commonly done to deduct work-related travel costs from taxable income. His notebook has the mileage recorded for his trip to Robert Oswald's house for what was ostensibly a family reunion. It also contains a written discussion between Pic and Marina. The discussion focussed on morphine, dicein and herion - three drugs used by the CIA and Army in various programs. It also had medical terms associated with the type of blood work done in pathology labs to test radiation levels. Marina had been a qualified analytical chemist at the United 3rd Clinical Hospital in Minsk and Pic was NCO in charge of the Special Procedures Unit of the Pathology Department, Wilford Hall Air Force Hospital, Lackland Air Force Base. The DoD was forced to admit in the '90s that it had conducted human radiation experiments during the Cold War. Wilford Hall was one of the hospitals named. Given the recording of the mileage, and the nature of the discussion, I believe this was a work related trip for the purpose of either a debriefing, or a swapping of information.

As for Ruth Paine and Priscilla Johnson McMillan, I have very limited interest in either of them and nothing useful to say. But I do not believe that the JFK assassination conspiracy will ever be solved by focussing on a pair of eccentric old ladies whose lives just happened to have intersected with Lee Oswald's.

Your description of them has me a little puzzled. I wasn't aware that eccentricity, or which gender a person happens to be could be exculpatory factors. As for being old... I could have sworn they were mere kittens in the 1950s and '60s. In any case, I've hardly accused either of being the "masterminds" of the assassination. What I will suggest is that, like Marina, there are pertinent questions they need to face, and which they have never previously been asked. It's a matter of more background - a more complete picture - a better understanding of key issues and players - further leads generated.

The killers were a different breed of animal entirely, IMO.

I think we agree on that.

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Ray, you're assuming there are no new questions which could be put to her.

Greg, maybe there are new questions which could be put to Marina, but since she has testified repeatedly that she has no personal knowledge of the assassination or the murder of JD Tippit, any such questions would be of curiosity value only.

As for Ruth Paine and Priscilla Johnson McMillan, I have very limited interest in either of them and nothing useful to say. But I do not believe that the JFK assassination conspiracy will ever be solved by focussing on a pair of eccentric old ladies whose lives just happened to have intersected with Lee Oswald's. The killers were a different breed of animal entirely, IMO.

Greg, maybe there are new questions which could be put to Marina

http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/tx/ro...wald-porter.txt

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Rockwall Co., TX - Marrige: Marina Oswald & Kenneth J. Porter

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This file was contributed for use in the USGenWeb by:

Holli Boone Kees <HKees@aol.com>

USGenWeb Archives. Copyright. All rights reserved

http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/copyright.htm

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Clearfield Progress

Clearfield Pennsylvania

2 Jun 1965

In Ceremony at Fate, Texas

Marina Oswald Weds Electronics Technician

By Paul Recer

Fate, Texas (AP)

Marina Oswald, widow of President John F. Kennedy’s assassin, and an

electronics technician she met a month ago began married life today in a white

brick house on a quiet street in a Dallas suburb. Mrs. Oswald, 23, a pretty,

Russian born blonde, and Kenneth J. Porter, 27, a divorced father of two, were

married in this small north Texas farming community Tuesday. The couple was

introduced a month ago at the home where Porter was staying just two doors

from Mrs. Oswald’s residence in Richardson.

The marriage ceremony, performed in the office of a justice of the peace,

followed a hectic day in which the couple went to Durant, Okla., for a blood

test and to Sherman, Tex., for a marriage license. They avoided a three day

Texas waiting period by getting the blood tests in Oklahoma. The wedding

party, which included a best man and a woman attendant, eluded newsmen leaving

Durant.

Mrs. Bill Clark, a neighbor, said the couple met shortly after Porter, a

friend of her son Joe, moved into a room at the Clark house. Mrs. Oswald

apparently liked Porter from the beginning, Joe Clark related, and confided

recently that she loved him. He said Porter “was crazy about” Mrs. Oswald’s

two young daughters but “had kept pretty quiet about their plans.” The

newlyweds arrived at their home in Richardson hours after the ceremony. They

allowed pictures but answered few questions from newsmen. The bride wearing a

white dress with bows on the skirt said she felt “wonderful-I just want to be

alone with my husband.” After only a few minutes at the house the couple left

for an undisclosed destination.

A Dallas reporter and photographer, tipped about the wedding plans, started

following the couple at 6 a.m. Tuesday as they began a 90 mile drive to

Durant. Newsmen lost the trail, however, as the party doubled back to Sherman

for the marriage license.

Mary Chumbley, a deputy clerk at the courthouse, said they “seemed anxious to

get away, to escape publicity.” She didn’t ask Mrs. Oswald a usual question

about previous marriages because “I already knew that.” They declined an offer

to call a Sherman preacher. Porter is a member of the Church of Christ and his

bride a member of the Greek Orthodox Church. At Rockwall, just northeast of

Dallas, Sheriff W. J. Price said the best main--identified only by the name of

Woolridge—knocked at his back door to ask where they could find a justice of

the peace.

Since that official was out of town, Price escorted them to Justice of the

Peace Carl Leonard Jr. in the neighboring village of Fate, where Leonard also

runs a garage.

“I didn’t know it was Marina Oswald until the sheriff introducted her,” said

Leonard, who was plowing. “I was still dressed in my back yard khakis.

“I’d have performed the ceremony in the house but I’d left my book at the

office and they were in a hurry. Said they were trying to stay out of sight of

reporters. I just read the regular double ring civil ceremony.”

Friends said the couple drove to a reception in Dallas after the ceremony. It

was nearly 9 p.m. before they returned home and scurried past newsmen. Clark,

who works with Porter at Texas Instruments, Inc. described the groom as a

“hard working, quiet, reserved type.”

Wanda Avera Porter divorced Porter in January 1964, charging harsh and cruel

treatment. Their children are a daughter Wanda, 7, and a son, Connie, 4. Mrs.

Porter is a data analyst for Collins Radio Co.

The new Mrs. Porter has changed noticeably since she attended the funeral of

her first husband, slain just two days after he shot President Kennedy on Nov.

22, 1963.

She became active socially in recent months and was seen with escorts at

Dallas night clubs. She studied English for eight weeks at the University of

Michigan and then spent time in Arizona working on her life story for book

publication.

She bought a small brick house in Richardson soon after Oswald was slain. Less

than two months ago she moved into the three bedroom white brick home she now

occupies.

Porter was raised at Lamesa, in west Texas, and came to Dallas after serving

in the Navy.

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http://www.ti.com/corp/docs/company/history/jonsson.shtml

1941-51

Geophysical Service Inc. (GSI), Dallas TX

1942-51

Vice President and Treasurer

1951-82

Texas Instruments Incorporated, Dallas, TX

1951-58

President

1958-66

Chairman of the Board

Tulane University,

New Orleans, LA (1962-77) Former Member, Board of Visitors (formerly Chairman)

Professional Affiliations:

Republic of Texas Corporation or RepublicBank Dallas,

Dallas, TX (now NationsBank) Director 1954-80

Dallas Power & Light Company,

Dallas TX Director 1955-64

Neiman Marcus Co.,

Dallas, TX Director 1956-65

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Civic Activities:

City of Dallas,

TX Mayor, 1964-71

Social Affiliations:

Dallas Petroleum Club, Dallas, TX

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1954

Headquarters for GSI's offshore exploration division, Geomarine Service International, moved from Dallas to New Orleans .

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Name: GEOMARINE SERVICE INTERNATIONAL INC.

Type Entity: Business Corporation (Non-Louisiana)

Mailing Address: 5900 LEMMON AV, DALLAS, TX 75209

Domicile Address: BOROUGH, FLEMINGTON, NJ 08822

Principal Office: 5900 LEMMON AV, DALLAS, TX 75209

Principal Bus. Est. in Louisiana:

Qualified: 04/06/1954

Registered Agent (Appointed 4/06/1954): CHARLES E. DUNBAR, JR., 1300 HIBERNIA BLDG, NEW ORLEANS, LA 70112

Registered Agent (Appointed 4/06/1954): SUMTER D. MARKS, JR., 1300 HIBERNIA BLDG, NEW ORLEANS, LA 70112

Registered Agent (Appointed 4/06/1954): LOUIS B. CLAVERIE, 1300 HIBERNIA BLDG, NEW ORLEANS, LA 70112

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Well! There are certainly some questions that I would like to ask "Mr. Porter".

And no doubt, those with an interest in "Collins Radio" would have several questions as well.

Starting with: Exactly WHO? got you your job/position?

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Thanks Tom. Yes, there are many questions arising from all those interconnections which should be added to what I had in mind - with particular emphasis on Texas Instruments, Collins Radio, GSI and the Dallas Petroleum Club.

Tulane University,

New Orleans, LA (1962-77) Former Member, Board of Visitors (formerly Chairman)

When starting on a long journey, it is always best if one starts from home.

Considerably less likely that one will get lost in so doing.

Registered Agent (Appointed 4/06/1954): CHARLES E. DUNBAR, JR., 1300 HIBERNIA BLDG, NEW ORLEANS, LA 70112

Registered Agent (Appointed 4/06/1954): SUMTER D. MARKS, JR., 1300 HIBERNIA BLDG, NEW ORLEANS, LA 70112

Registered Agent (Appointed 4/06/1954): LOUIS B. CLAVERIE, 1300 HIBERNIA BLDG, NEW ORLEANS, LA 70112

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Thanks Tom. Yes, there are many questions arising from all those interconnections which should be added to what I had in mind - with particular emphasis on Texas Instruments, Collins Radio, GSI and the Dallas Petroleum Club.

Tulane University,

New Orleans, LA (1962-77) Former Member, Board of Visitors (formerly Chairman)

When starting on a long journey, it is always best if one starts from home.

Considerably less likely that one will get lost in so doing.

Registered Agent (Appointed 4/06/1954): CHARLES E. DUNBAR, JR., 1300 HIBERNIA BLDG, NEW ORLEANS, LA 70112

Registered Agent (Appointed 4/06/1954): SUMTER D. MARKS, JR., 1300 HIBERNIA BLDG, NEW ORLEANS, LA 70112

Registered Agent (Appointed 4/06/1954): LOUIS B. CLAVERIE, 1300 HIBERNIA BLDG, NEW ORLEANS, LA 70112

http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online...s/KK/fkabh.html

Geophysical Service had been formed in 1930 by Karcher and Eugene B. McDermott

In 1938 the exploration activities were separated. A Delaware subsidiary, called Geophysical Service, Incorporated, was established under the management of McDermott to continue seismic exploration for others.

The name of the parent corporation was changed to Coronado Corporation in January 1939, completing the separation of the businesses. The GSI subsidiary was sold to Cecil H. Green, J. Erik Jonsson, Eugene McDermott, and H. Bates Peacock on December 6, 1941.

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Name: CORONADO CORPORATION

Type Entity: Business Corporation

Mailing Address: 510 PERE MARQUETTE B, NEW ORLEANS, LA 70112

Domicile Address: 510 PERE MARQUETTE B, NEW ORLEANS, LA 70112

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By 1950 the manufacturing and seismic operations of GSI had each grown so large that separating them for administrative and operating purposes had become desirable. In 1951 the company was renamed Texas Instruments, Incorporated, and GSI became a wholly owned subsidiary of Texas Instruments.

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http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online...s/KK/fkabh.html

One crew chief who began a period of on-the-job training was Cecil H. Green, a future founder of Texas Instruments.qv Karcher led the company to acquire ownership of producing fields; the company therefore decided in 1938 to separate production from exploration. Two subsidiaries resulted: a production subsidiary, the Coronado Corporation, headed by Karcher, and Geophysical Service, Incorporated, managed by McDermott. Beginning in 1941, Karcher pursued his growing interest in organizing additional companies to find and produce oil. This resulted in the purchase of Coronado by Standard of Indiana (Stanolind) and the purchase of Geophysical Service, Incorporated, by Erik Jonsson, Cecil H. Green, Eugene McDermott, and H. Bates Peacock. In 1951 the manufacturing and the geophysical exploration services of GSI were given separate business structures. The laboratory and manufacturing division of GSI became Texas Instruments, Incorporated.

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