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Nigel Turner is the producer of the television series, The Men Who Killed Kennedy. Made for the Central Independent Television company, it started off a two-part documentary broadcast in October, 1988: The Coup d'Etat and The Forces of Darkness. Three more installments were made two years later: The Cover Up, The Patsy and The Witnesses. The sixth episode, The Truth Shall Set You Free, was added in 1995.

These documentaries have been highly controversial. In the documentary broadcast in 1988 Stephen Rivele argued that the assassination of John F. Kennedy had been organized by Antoine Guerini, the Corsican crime boss in Marseilles. According to Rivele, Lucien Sarti fired from behind the wooden fence on the grassy knoll. The first shot was fired from behind and hit Kennedy in the back. The second shot was fired from behind, and hit John Connally. The third shot was fired from in front, and hit Kennedy in the head. The fourth shot was from behind and missed. As well as Sarti, also named Sauveur Pironti and Roger Bocognani as being involved in the killing. However, Pironti and Bocognani both had alibis and Rivele was forced to withdraw the allegation.

In another episode, Charles Harrelson, who some investigators believed was involved in the assassination of John F. Kennedy, told Turner that "on November 22, 1963, at 12.30, I was having lunch with a friend in a restaurant in Houston, Texas." He also told Turner that he would not have accepted such a contract as he knew that if he had, he would have ended up, like Lee Harvey Oswald, being killed by the Mafia.

In the sixth episode, The Truth Shall Set You Free, May 1995, Daniel Marvin claimed to have been solicited by an agent of the Central Intelligence Agency to "terminate" William Pitzer.

For the 40th anniversary of the assassination of Nigel Turner produced three more installments: The Love Affair, The Smoking Guns and The Guilty Men.

The Love Affair was an account by Judyth Vary Baker of her (at first, unwitting) involvement in an anti-Castro conspiracy. A young woman who had received specialized training in cancer research, she was invited to New Orleans by Alton Ochsner to aid Dr. Mary Sherman in a research project that was being developed to kill Fidel Castro.

This programme was followed by The Smoking Guns and examined the research carried out by people such as James H. Fetzer, David Mantik, Douglas Weldon, Jack White and Vincent Palamara.

The third programme was called The Guilty Men and looked at the possibility that Lyndon B. Johnson, Malcolm Wallace and Edward A. Clark were involved in the assassination of John F. Kennedy. The programme used evidence from the book by Blood, Money & Power: How LBJ Killed JFK by Barr McClellan. It also used other sources such as the testimony of Madeleine Brown and Billie Sol Estes and the research of Walt Brown, Ed Tatro, Rick Russo, Glen Sample, and Gregory Burnham.

The Guilty Men was immediately banned and has not been seen on television since, although it is possible to get a copy on e-bay.

What do you think of the series? Does anyone know if Nigel Turner is still interested in the JFK assassination. If so, maybe he would like to join the forum.

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Opinions are not research. If Arnold was lying, prove it.

Don't just use an imaginary BS detector. Yours is defective.

Jack

Jack,

I respect the work you have done and the thousands of hours you have spent in your endeavors. However, my opinion, my deduction based on film evidence and eyewitness testimony, is that it didn't go down as he said.

As I said, I have empathy for him, he seemed like a tortured guy. I don't know and can't fathom why he would say what he said. But numerous other still photos and films trump his assertion and the Badge Man theory.

In my opinion.

Perhaps you would be so kind as to tell us, based on your deductions, how it did go down?

I, for one, have always eagerly awaited the definitive explanation of what actually happened that day.

Please, if you would be so kind?

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I thought the series was very well produced and had value as a repository for numerous hard-to-find photos and film clips. It raised many thoughtful questions, both pro and con conspiracy, and should be required viewing for any serious JFK researcher.

The segment that sticks out in my mind is when Gordon Arnold cried......

What sticks in my mind is the interview with Buell Wesley Frazier. If I recall his words correctly, he said he will always remember Lee Oswald as "a kind and loving man."

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Perhaps you would be so kind as to tell us, based on your deductions, how it did go down?

I, for one, have always eagerly awaited the definitive explanation of what actually happened that day.

Please, if you would be so kind?

I think LHO was a bright but psychologically damaged guy. His brains were too big for his britches and his upbringing gave him few life skills. He had dreams of grandeur, he wanted to make his mark on the world.

He pushed himself to an extraordinary degree into worlds where his skills failed him. Therefore he screwed up nearly everything he attempted. He wasn't content to be an average schmo, he wanted to be important.

I think he got himself involved in some of the hot issues of the day with shady people in New Orleans and Texas. I believe people saw that he was someone who could be manipulated easily.

I believe these people were involved in Cuban affairs and that some or most of them had to be connected to U.S. clandestine services in one way or another.

I wish I could know whether he was told specifically that JFK was the target, or that he should participate in the shooting at all, or that he should do more than bring his rifle to work that day. It's all speculation but one of those scenarios seems to fit.

I believe all of the shots came from one or two windows in the TSBD. I believe that it's possible that one of the shooters was either a Dallas cop or someone wearing the uniform of a Dallas cop.

After the shooting, it's clear that LHO was fleeing the TSBD, possibly looking for a contact or just some way to get out of Dallas. I don't believe he was in the Texas Theater to meet someone. The location seems too random.

I believe that LHO's demeanor, post-arrest, was genuine. He talked himself into thinking that he was a patsy because he was the only one caught. He was clearly nervous but he was more angry than fearful. From an emotional point of view, this seems to be an indication that whatever his role, he realized that somebody lied to him. His dreams weren't going to come true. He was a patsy.

Naturally there are more gaps than details but that's it in a nutshell.

SO...ANOTHER LONE NUT THEORIST REVEALS HIMSELF. Valenti

obviously has never studied the evidence. I suggest two books

for starters...CROSSFIRE, by Marrs, and HARVEY&LEE by Armstrong.

Read those and get back to us, in a few months.

Jack

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I thought the series was very well produced and had value as a repository for numerous hard-to-find photos and film clips. It raised many thoughtful questions, both pro and con conspiracy, and should be required viewing for any serious JFK researcher.

The segment that sticks out in my mind is when Gordon Arnold cried......

What sticks in my mind is the interview with Buell Wesley Frazier. If I recall his words correctly, he said he will always remember Lee Oswald as "a kind and loving man."

I'm sure LHO had his soft, sweet side. But he also was a wife beater, a xxxx, a restless crybaby who wanted more than anything to "be" somebody.

That doesn't mean he shot JFK but it sure sounds like he had his issues.

Didn't believe it at first but this Valenti guy IS really new to this, about 10 years behind the curve so lets cut him a little slack --- "wife beater..." little creative license champ? lmao!

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I'm sure LHO had his soft, sweet side. But he also was a wife beater, a xxxx, a restless crybaby who wanted more than anything to "be" somebody.

That doesn't mean he shot JFK but it sure sounds like he had his issues.

The only evidence for this opinion of LHO is what I believe his wife was forced to say, under great durress and threats of deportation if she did not go along with the party line.

LHO was involved in a lot of extremely interesting matters, of the intelligence brand, and delving into those waters requires one to go very deep.

As to TMWKK, it was a fabulous series. I own all of it including the 3 censored hours and have had copies made for others. I was very much involved with the people featured in "The Guilty Men" . And my dear pal J Harrison had a good hand in the 2nd hour. (Forget the title, the one about JOhn Ligget) Barr McClellan is in the process of going after the history channel for both the censorship as well as the libelous follow-up by the "3 historains," who, curiously enough said ZERO about the allegations contained in these three hours of work, just ranted about how terrible Barr is and how LBJ was a great president. OF course Robert Dallek- who did an LBJ bio -was one of the three. It was garbage, but sadly this is what the history channel is currently pellding. (I call it the "Hitler channel");)

Dawn

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Nigel Turner is the producer of the television series, The Men Who Killed Kennedy. Made for the Central Independent Television company, it started off a two-part documentary broadcast in October, 1988: The Coup d'Etat and The Forces of Darkness. Three more installments were made two years later: The Cover Up, The Patsy and The Witnesses. The sixth episode, The Truth Shall Set You Free, was added in 1995.

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The third programme was called The Guilty Men and looked at the possibility that Lyndon B. Johnson, Malcolm Wallace and Edward A. Clark were involved in the assassination of John F. Kennedy. The programme used evidence from the book by Blood, Money & Power: How LBJ Killed JFK by Barr McClellan. It also used other sources such as the testimony of Madeleine Brown and Billie Sol Estes and the research of Walt Brown, Ed Tatro, Rick Russo, Glen Sample, and Gregory Burnham.

The Guilty Men was immediately banned and has not been seen on television since, although it is possible to get a copy on e-bay.

What do you think of the series? Does anyone know if Nigel Turner is still interested in the JFK assassination. If so, maybe he would like to join the forum.

John...I have an email address for Nigel should you want to contact him.

I doubt that he would be interested, but his wife Susan Winter is his

chief assistant and might be interested in doing something or answering

questions. On the other hand, because of litigation, they might not want to.

Jack

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John...I have an email address for Nigel should you want to contact him.

I doubt that he would be interested, but his wife Susan Winter is his

chief assistant and might be interested in doing something or answering

questions. On the other hand, because of litigation, they might not want to.

If you send me the email address I will invite him to join the forum. I also have a business proposition that he might be interested in.

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Turner's TMWKK was and is a great archive for speculation, it brings many items into focus that I still find most people have no idea about.

The Corsican link is quite interesting and unfortunately we will very likely never know the truth about this because the official investigative agencies who should have done complete and thorough study of all aspects of the Assassination alas did not.

My view of the assassination still balances on the idea of "Who had the most to gain?" and "Who had the most power to control an internal cover-up?"

While it's very possible that there was underworld involvment, I really don't think they could have controlled the massive cover-up that IMO still continues today!

LHO - I think that there was much more to him than meets the eye, I think that he was involved with covert actions that involved more than one agency or organization.

After Oswald found out that the assassination happened right outside from where he worked he realized that he was set-up and that triggered him to move to another location and find out what his next move was supposed to be, but, he encountered Dallas Police Officer J.D. Tippit who may have been told to silence Oswald if possible and maybe Oswald was quicker on the trigger and then went to a "Public Meeting Place" the Texas Theater.

I really think that if you spin together all of the threads of who did what and when, that you can pretty much work out a somewhat complete scenario of what took place before, during and after the assassination.

With TMWKK as with any other research item I find that you can pretty much cull out the items that are just too far fetched and along those lines you can also tell what is "Good" evidence and what has been "Planted" in order to throw you off the trail.

You must realize that there is "Truth" within the last volumes of TMWKK otherwise it would have never been "Banned" somebody is still trying to hide something...

Scott

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I believe that Nigel Turners 'The Men who killed Kennedy' was a public relations success for the JFK assassination research community. It was well researched and not presented in a sensationalistic fashion as some JFK documentaries are.

Much like Oliver Stones 'JFK' It inspired some to revive their interest in the case and enlightened newcomers.

Documentaries such as these are not essential research tools, but are merely an exercise in public relations to get existing research out into the public arena.

It is very easy to tell that this was a British production in that it relied upon a narrative story telling approach (aided by the narration of Hillary Minister) and did not revert to over the top graphics, such as JFK in the crosshairs of a rifle.

It was a tasteful production and we can only hope that someone makes documentaries as credible as this one in the future.

John

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In Part 5 of TMWKK, "The Witnesses", Officer LC Graves makes an interesting observation:

"Chief Curry did not have the final say as to when or how Oswald was transferred, it came from his superior, which was the City Manager at that time, so, again, we knew better than to transfer him under those conditions but we didn't have any choice."

Does anyone know who was City Manager at the time?

Furthermore, Jim Leavelle and Graves state that the suggestion was made to Curry that LHO be taken out of the building on the first floor at Main, where few people would be waiting. However, Curry couldn't agree because the DPD were already 'obligated' to transfer him 'so the press could take pictures and everybody else could see him'.

Don Archer, from the DPD, stated that the original plan of the DPD heirarchy was to transfer LHO during the night, "but outside political pressures coming from as far as Washington insisted that Oswald be shown that he hadn't been coerced into a confession, that he hadn't been beaten and that the world exposure be granted on this subject--after all he was an assassin accused of killing the President of the United States".

To me this suggests that LBJ, or someone in Washington, co-ordinated the whole transfer process--overiding the DPD every step of the way--and thereby creating the impression that DPD incompetence was behind Oswald's death. I notice the presence of media in all this. That's the same media which has been so hostile to any genuine investigation into JFK's death. It seems they were a major player in the whole affair, and they still are.

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If one was so inclined - bit torrent provides the full 9 episodes. Though I watched them at the time I found reviewing very interesting, especially with the knowledge and insights I've gained from the forum members and researchers.

You can see the banned programme, The Guilty Men, here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaWUcyjAeIk

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All episodes of Nigel Turners 'The Men Who Killed Kennedy', an excellent documentary series with credibility,

The Coup D'état

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=61...+killed+kennedy

The Foreces of darkness

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=89...+killed+kennedy

The Cover-up

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2...+killed+kennedy

The Patsy

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=34...+killed+kennedy

The Witnesses

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8...+killed+kennedy

The Truth shall set you free

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=58...+killed+kennedy

The Smoking guns

Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNTeQ9ckmD8#

Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAW-bxxZfcM...ted&search=

Part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmMXfBgjsh0...ted&search=

Part 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO5PAmCsw0I...ted&search=

Part 5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMJMqbWJLQI...ted&search=

The love affair

Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ry3DrsN9PY...ser&search=

Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRLDm7YT25w...ted&search=

Part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBbe0jexWn4...ted&search=

Part 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGNyprupDTU...ted&search=

Part 5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZyJ1APE6Lc...ser&search=

The Guilty men

Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaWUcyjAeIk...ser&search=

Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05AsvqWfzts...ser&search=

Part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJPWhn6P5fE...ser&search=

Part 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut-4QXzNBno...ser&search=

Part 5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mzZGK9tNyM...ser&search=

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