Jack White Posted August 20, 2006 Share Posted August 20, 2006 (edited) While studying the men on the steps in Willis 5 (two instead of three) I noticed something never noticed before...a tall child or short midget standing next to Mrs. Chism. Is this person in any other image, and who is it? Jack PS I had a typo in the heading. Should be Willis 5 not 6. Is there no way to correct a heading? Edited August 20, 2006 by Jack White Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan Slattery Posted August 20, 2006 Share Posted August 20, 2006 "Paging Dr. Miller. Paging Dr. Bill Miller." Jack, why is it that you, like Zapruder, don't cast shadows? Are you a vampire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted August 20, 2006 Author Share Posted August 20, 2006 "Paging Dr. Miller. Paging Dr. Bill Miller."Jack, why is it that you, like Zapruder, don't cast shadows? Are you a vampire? Why is BS still allowed here to post his BS? I doubt that BS is a real person; probably one of Bush's eavesdroppers using a name picked up from a character on the TV Survivor show. Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted August 20, 2006 Author Share Posted August 20, 2006 While studying the men on the steps in Willis 5 (two instead of three) I noticed something never noticed before...a tall child or short midget standing next to Mrs. Chism. Is this person in any other image, and who is it? Jack PS I had a typo in the heading. Should be Willis 5 not 6. Is there no way to correct a heading? Jack, I note that the woman to our right of the figure you are taking about in this image seems to be lacking her lower legs...is this all an artifact of the poor image or something more important? It might explain, in part, the apparently too short figure you cite. Right, Peter...part of her legs are cut off by the hood of the Queen Mary, but the short person is seen from the ankles up. Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dolva Posted August 20, 2006 Share Posted August 20, 2006 It's just the one person standing there. The 'midget'is the lower part of this person (IMO). Is the hard hat dude a clue? Is there a better copy or other photo or testimony that in any way supports the notion that the pipe fitter here has a round mirror in his hands. His head is blurred as if he makes a rapid twist from looking at Kennedy to looking towards (and above?) the photographer. If the thing he appears to be holding is a mirror. It seems to be tilted up towards the sun. This would place the reflected circle somewhere behind and above the phoptographer. Any thoughts? (apart from me being nuts of course) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted August 20, 2006 Author Share Posted August 20, 2006 (edited) It's just the one person standing there. The 'midget'is the lower part of this person (IMO).Is the hard hat dude a clue? Is there a better copy or other photo or testimony that in any way supports the notion that the pipe fitter here has a round mirror in his hands. His head is blurred as if he makes a rapid twist from looking at Kennedy to looking towards (and above?) the photographer. If the thing he appears to be holding is a mirror. It seems to be tilted up towards the sun. This would place the reflected circle somewhere behind and above the phoptographer. Any thoughts? (apart from me being nuts of course) John...for years I thought it was the lower body of one of the two teenagers in sports jackets standing behind the Chisms. But look closely, the Chisms are at the curb, and the teens arewell to the rear of them, so cannot be at the curb. Also look at the other teen, behind Mr. Chism, and you will see he does not extend to the curb. Take a look at the attached enlargement. I am just about to do a comparison with Zapruder, Bronson, and Willis, showing the curb people from the Stemmons sign eastward to the hardhat man, but it will have to wait till tomorrow. Thanks for your comment. Jack PS...I had never noticed the round thing held by hardhat man. Could he be using a mirror to signal someone...Harry Holmes, for instance? Jack Edited August 20, 2006 by Jack White Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dolva Posted August 20, 2006 Share Posted August 20, 2006 Perhaps yes, Jack. So it would be important to determine what it is before taking it further. If it is indeed a mirror then I suspect one can make educated guesses about how it's orientated and where sunrays at that orientation would end up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dolva Posted August 20, 2006 Share Posted August 20, 2006 (edited) I agree. I've tried it, You have to grip the mirror firmly and anchor it in at least one place, like holding it firmly in one hand and having that hand locked on to your body, and then you use the other hand to tilt the mirror. You also have to hold the mirror close to your eyes so you get the line of sight. Also you need to stand still, so if you need to turn to track something you twist your body while tilting the lens so you keep the target already established in 'sight'. IOW you first locate where you want to have the mirror pointed at, then you turn and tilt smoothly to keep alignment and then just flash to signal. Edited August 20, 2006 by John Dolva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanet Clark Posted August 20, 2006 Share Posted August 20, 2006 This hard hat character appears to be doing a dance or giving the motorcade the finger / forearm gesture of contempt in other photos. Has hard hat man ever been Identified? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted August 21, 2006 Share Posted August 21, 2006 This hard hat character appears to be doing a dance or giving the motorcade the finger / forearm gesture of contempt in other photos. Has hard hat man ever been Identified? Hard hat man was A.J. Millican. QUOTE: BILL DECKER SHERIFF CRIMINAL COURTS BUILDING DALLAS, TEXAS A.J. Millican 2650 Valley View Lane Dallas 34, Texas Chapel 7-4953 Works for Sam P. Wallace and Claude Beard Plumbing Company Fabricating pipe for the Republic Bank Building at the end of the Katy Railroad yards and the west end of Pacific Street I was standing on the North side of Elm Street, about half way between Houston and the Underpass. About five or ten minutes before the President came by I observed a truck from Honest Joe's Pawn Shop, and parked by the Book Depository Store. Then drove off about five or ten minutes before the Presiden't car came by. Just after the President's car passed, I heard three shots come from up toward Houston and Elm right by the Book Depository Building, and then immediately I heard two more shots from the Arcade between the Book Store and the Underpass, and then three more shots came from the same direction only sounded further back. It sounded approximately like a 45 automatic, or a high powered rifle. Then everybody started running up the hill. A man standing on the South side of Elm Street, was either hit in the foot, or the ankle and fell down. And then I went back to work. /s/ A.J. Millican Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Miller Posted August 21, 2006 Share Posted August 21, 2006 He must be one of the few Americans who 'went back to work' that day.....and stranger that someone who wanted to see JFK wouldn't be more effected. Interesting number of shots he heard! Peter, where did Millican say that he went back to work following the shooting? Bill Miller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JL Allen Posted August 21, 2006 Share Posted August 21, 2006 Was it frame Z-189 which was determined to correspond to the timing of the Willis 5 photo? I seem to recall reading this but can't find the reference at the moment... thanks to anyone that knows... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Miller Posted August 21, 2006 Share Posted August 21, 2006 Was it frame Z-189 which was determined to correspond to the timing of the Willis 5 photo? I seem to recall reading this but can't find the reference at the moment... thanks to anyone that knows... It was Z202 that matches the Willis photo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kennedy White Posted August 21, 2006 Share Posted August 21, 2006 Here's a witness saying someone was struck in the foot or ankle... How many casualties were reported by witnesses? Has anyone gone through the testimony and counted them? James Tague's cheek, reports of pools of blood and cries of "we got one of 'em"... would be interesting to see other reports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Miller Posted August 21, 2006 Share Posted August 21, 2006 (edited) While studying the men on the steps in Willis 5 (two instead of three)I noticed something never noticed before...a tall child or short midget standing next to Mrs. Chism. Is this person in any other image, and who is it? Jack PS I had a typo in the heading. Should be Willis 5 not 6. Is there no way to correct a heading? Jack - how do you account for all three Chisms in the blue box in the illustration in post #1? Bill Miller Edited August 21, 2006 by Bill Miller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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