Pat Speer Posted September 27, 2006 Share Posted September 27, 2006 I was just checking in on the McAdams Forum to see what's going on, and noticed a seemingly innocent inquiry about Forum member Wim Dankbaar. When I went to respond I found that the post was a link to a smear on Wim. I can't believe there's anything to this smear (involving child pornography), because if there is, it would be a police matter and not the business of some website. Wim, do you know who's behind this smear? (If you feel the best way to deal with this smear is to ignore it, and wish for me to remove this post, I'll happily comply.) Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Speer Posted September 27, 2006 Author Share Posted September 27, 2006 Paranoid that some right-wing hatchet-men were out to smear Wim for his political beliefs, I went back to the website and looked at it with a critical eye. It appears to me that the website is the work of a conspiracy theorist, who creates "cases" against people or institutions he doesn't like, and then presents his "case" on the internet, as if it was the work of others. I suspect Wim knows who this person is. Please tell us who this person is, so we can avoid him like the plague. The link was posted on the McAdams Forum by someone using the name Tony Williams. Does anyone know if that's a real person? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawn Meredith Posted September 27, 2006 Share Posted September 27, 2006 Paranoid that some right-wing hatchet-men were out to smear Wim for his political beliefs, I went back to the website and looked at it with a critical eye. It appears to me that the website is the work of a conspiracy theorist, who creates "cases" against people or institutions he doesn't like, and then presents his "case" on the internet, as if it was the work of others. I suspect Wim knows who this person is. Please tell us who this person is, so we can avoid him like the plague. The link was posted on the McAdams Forum by someone using the name Tony Williams. Does anyone know if that's a real person? Someone with the initials BV perhaps? That is disgusting. Wim involved in child porn? Hardly! I think someone does not like Wim's connecting the dots and created some fiction our of whole cloth. Dawn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Speer Posted September 27, 2006 Author Share Posted September 27, 2006 Please tell us who this person is, so we can avoid him like the plague. The link was posted on the McAdams Forum by someone using the name Tony Williams. Does anyone know if that's a real person? [/color]Someone with the initials BV perhaps? That is disgusting. Wim involved in child porn? Hardly! I think someone does not like Wim's connecting the dots and created some fiction our of whole cloth. Dawn Is BV from California? One of the people currently under "investigation" on this website is the lovely Governor of California. I doubt non-Californios would care... Also, this "person" posts pictures of Wim's kids on the site, and expresses the viewpoint they are in danger. That's really damned low, IMO. There is no evidence against Wim presented whatsoever, outside of accusations fropm anonymous sources. I'm thinking someone's looking to get bonked in the nose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Simkin Posted September 27, 2006 Share Posted September 27, 2006 Is BV from California? One of the people currently under "investigation" on this website is the lovely Governor of California. I doubt non-Californios would care...Also, this "person" posts pictures of Wim's kids on the site, and expresses the viewpoint they are in danger. That's really damned low, IMO. There is no evidence against Wim presented whatsoever, outside of accusations fropm anonymous sources. I'm thinking someone's looking to get bonked in the nose. I assume that Dawn is suggesting the name Bob Vernon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Speer Posted September 27, 2006 Author Share Posted September 27, 2006 As Alt.assassination.JFK is a moderated newgroup, someone permitted this smear on Wim to be posted. I just sent them a post asking if they'd allow such a smear to be posted if it involved a prominent single-assassin theorist. We'll see if it makes it through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Weaver Posted September 27, 2006 Share Posted September 27, 2006 (edited) http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/forum/ Goto thread "Disgusting website" there Wim explains the situation as he sees it. Some lessons I learned in my life: 1) If you wanna swim with the sharks, you better look and act like the meanest shark around and not like the flounder you are". 2) Milk Cows should stay out of sharks way 3)A person isn't necessarily a friend, just because he calls you a friend 4)Always pretend that you are poor 5)Never do bussiness with a real friend 6)Don't close your eyes on reality Edited September 27, 2006 by Dave Weaver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wim Dankbaar Posted September 27, 2006 Share Posted September 27, 2006 Yes, Pat, I do know who is behind this smear, I have disclosed it already on my own forum. It is not Mr. Vernon, Rest assured that I can burn this man forever, if he is not doing it himself already. But if you don't mind, I would like to send him these exchanges, to give him one more chance to come to his sense and take his website down. Wim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Speer Posted September 27, 2006 Author Share Posted September 27, 2006 (edited) Yes, Pat, I do know who is behind this smear, I have disclosed it already on my own forum. It is not Mr. Vernon, Rest assured that I can burn this man forever, if he is not doing it himself already. But if you don't mind, I would like to send him these exchanges, to give him one more chance to come to his sense and take his website down. Wim Wim, I went to your website and read your posts. If things weren''t weird enough, this man J. called me six months ago after a friend of his saw my online presentation and asked for my number. He wanted to chat about Chauncey Holt and claimed he was a CIA ASSASSIN trained by Holt!!! He invited me over to his house but I got busy and was skeptical of his story and never got around to calling him back. He went simply by the name J but I recognize the phone number and the website. He told that that's him in the interview on his website. Now here's the really weird part...he used you as a reference!!! He kept telling me how he knew Wim Dankbaar and had all sorts of friends in the JFK assassination research community but he could always use more, etc... Did you tell him you didn't believe him and hurt his feelings or something? He told me he had a completed screenplay about his exploits as a CIA assassin. Was he trying to get financing from you? Edited September 27, 2006 by Pat Speer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wim Dankbaar Posted September 27, 2006 Share Posted September 27, 2006 Wim, I went to your website and read your posts. If things weren''t weird enough, this man J. called me six months ago after a friend of his saw my online presentation and asked for my number. He wanted to chat about Chauncey Holt and claimed he was a CIA ASSASSIN trained by Holt!!! He invited me over to his house but I got busy and was skeptical of his story and never got around to calling him back. He went simply by the name J but I recognize the phone number and the website. He told that that's him in the interview on his website. Well, that's all true, except that his being a CIA assassin is exaggerated. He was subcontracted by Holt for odd jobs, so to say, so he didn't do anything directly for the CIA. Holt did, as well as for Organized Crime. Now here's the really weird part...he used you as a reference!!! He kept telling me how he knew Wim Dankbaar and had all sorts of friends in the JFK assassination research community but he could always use more, etc... Did you tell him you didn't believe him and hurt his feelings or something? He told me he had a completed screenplay about his exploits as a CIA assassin. Was he trying to get financing from you? You got it For his company, meant to be a short term bridge loan. I guess he is really pissed I 'm taking him to court to get it back. There's no doubt he knew Chauncey Holt and really looked up to him, but the trouble is that considering his proven lies to me, he's not a reliable character witness for Holt. Apparently, Holt understood that during his life, for this guy didn't know him by his real name. For the rest, I trust you'll understand I don't want to display the details of my dealings with him at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wim Dankbaar Posted September 27, 2006 Share Posted September 27, 2006 (edited) By the way, Pat, my wife agrees my kids need to be protected from me. For making them do things like this: http://jfkmurdersolved.com/film/MVI_1609.AVI Wim Edited September 27, 2006 by Wim Dankbaar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan Slattery Posted September 27, 2006 Share Posted September 27, 2006 Some of you doth protest too much. If smearing were a competition, this forum would win hands down--esp if you had the misfortune of being a white male who worked for the CIA, FBI, Dallas Police, any Republican Administration, or any defense contractor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Speer Posted September 27, 2006 Author Share Posted September 27, 2006 (edited) Some of you doth protest too much. If smearing were a competition, this forum would win hands down--esp if you had the misfortune of being a white male who worked for the CIA, FBI, Dallas Police, any Republican Administration, or any defense contractor. My, my, Brendan, you are a bit sensiitive. Whatever accusations or smears you feel have been lobbed at your precious Republicans, the amount lobbed towards the Johnson Administration has been tenfold. Where was your protest when the father of dubya's last press sec wrote a book calling Johnson a murderer? Were you up in arms? Or does your outrage only run in one direction? Edited September 27, 2006 by Pat Speer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan Slattery Posted September 27, 2006 Share Posted September 27, 2006 Some of you doth protest too much. If smearing were a competition, this forum would win hands down--esp if you had the misfortune of being a white male who worked for the CIA, FBI, Dallas Police, any Republican Administration, or any defense contractor. My, my, Brendan, you are a bit sensiitive. Whatever accusations or smears you feel have been lobbed at your precious Republicans, the amount lobbed towards the Johnson Administration has been tenfold. And they're just as heinous and wrongheaded. And I have chastised Simkin for listing LBJ as a co-conspirator at Spartacus Where was your protest when the father of dubya's last press sec wrote a book calling Johnson a murderer? Were you up in arms? Or does your outrage only run in one direction? What are you implying? Guilt by association? Does his kooky dad work for Bush or something? Not that I can see. I felt embarrassed for McClellan, but his personal (family) problems don't really intrigue me. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Geraghty Posted September 27, 2006 Share Posted September 27, 2006 Some of you doth protest too much. If smearing were a competition, this forum would win hands down--esp if you had the misfortune of being a white male who worked for the CIA, FBI, Dallas Police, any Republican Administration, or any defense contractor. Us white people just can't catch a break in this world eh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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