Chris Davidson Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 There's the Hester's in Wiegman's film. (8 frame animation) Wiegman's in the Bell movie filming that. (Span of 8 frames) If you think the sync is off, watch Mr.Hester extend his hand from Mrs.Hester in both animations. Notice Wiegman's movement in the Bell movie, in the span of those 8 frames, as he films the Hester's, and the quality of the clip that's produced. I'll leave it at that for now. chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Davidson Posted February 5, 2007 Author Share Posted February 5, 2007 Wiegman filming. chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 Wiegman filming.chris Chris...you are making great observations. Keep it up! Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Miller Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 Wiegman filming.chris Chris...you are making great observations. Keep it up! Jack What observation is Chris making, Jack? The two films are not showing the same moments in time. You certainly aren't going to start saying that someone altered the timing of Charles Hester running his hand across his wifes backside - are you? Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 (edited) duplicate Edited February 5, 2007 by Jack White Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 There's the Hester's in Wiegman's film. (8 frame animation)Wiegman's in the Bell movie filming that. (Span of 8 frames) If you think the sync is off, watch Mr.Hester extend his hand from Mrs.Hester in both animations. Notice Wiegman's movement in the Bell movie, in the span of those 8 frames, as he films the Hester's, and the quality of the clip that's produced. I'll leave it at that for now. chris Chris....I looked at the animation several times before noticing that BEATRICE IS FACING IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTIONS AT THE SAME TIME in the two clips. Please do a SLOWER animation cropping in tighter on just the Hesters as he strokes her butt. In Wiegman her head is to the south; in Bell it seems to be to the north. Am I wrong? The animation flashes a little too fast to be sure. Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Miller Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 (edited) Chris....I looked at the animation several times before noticingthat BEATRICE IS FACING IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTIONS AT THE SAME TIME in the two clips. Please do a SLOWER animation cropping in tighter on just the Hesters as he strokes her butt. In Wiegman her head is to the south; in Bell it seems to be to the north. Am I wrong? The animation flashes a little too fast to be sure. Jack Jack, Beatrice has her head down and the white area near her rump is Charles Hester's light colored arm and shirt sleeve as it stroked over her hip. Bill Edited February 6, 2007 by Bill Miller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Davidson Posted February 6, 2007 Author Share Posted February 6, 2007 There's the Hester's in Wiegman's film. (8 frame animation)Wiegman's in the Bell movie filming that. (Span of 8 frames) If you think the sync is off, watch Mr.Hester extend his hand from Mrs.Hester in both animations. Notice Wiegman's movement in the Bell movie, in the span of those 8 frames, as he films the Hester's, and the quality of the clip that's produced. I'll leave it at that for now. chris Chris....I looked at the animation several times before noticing that BEATRICE IS FACING IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTIONS AT THE SAME TIME in the two clips. Please do a SLOWER animation cropping in tighter on just the Hesters as he strokes her butt. In Wiegman her head is to the south; in Bell it seems to be to the north. Am I wrong? The animation flashes a little too fast to be sure. Jack Here it is a little bigger and slower. This is 11 frames. Notice the gentleman in the lower right corner walking. Appears to walk naturally. Wiegman is doing belly heaves. Too much movement for a steady film. I've looked at the Wiegman many times, there is only one time he pushes off Mrs Hester and extends his arm, and that point is shown in the animation. Before we get to my animation point in the film, Mrs.Hester is sitting upright. With Mrs Hester not appearing upright in the Bell movie, my time sync is correct. (Thanks Jack) Or please provide Wiegman footage to the contrary. One other point to keep in mind: Wiegman is still continuous filming even after the animation period I have shown. He films Mr. Hester running to the colonade. thanks chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Who are the two people behind the Stemmons sign? Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 (edited) Who are the two people behind the Stemmons sign?Jack ___________________________________ Those two people aren't really people. They were added to the film by the FBI/CIA as part of the overall alteration project to confuse us and obsfuscate the TRUTH. Just kidding, Jack. --Thomas ___________________________________ Edited February 6, 2007 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Davidson Posted February 7, 2007 Author Share Posted February 7, 2007 Who are the two people behind the Stemmons sign?Jack Photo provided by Jack White. mp3 track of Dave Wiegman interview. He describes his filming activity. Does it match the animation previously provided? Listen/Watch and compare chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 I did not know Wiegman ran up the hill...I thought all his filming was from the street or sidewalk. Thanks, Chris. Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Davidson Posted February 7, 2007 Author Share Posted February 7, 2007 Hi Chris..I think it's the black man carrying the baby. What you see as a white shirt is the baby.Duncan Who are the two people behind the Stemmons sign?Jack Photo provided by Jack White. mp3 track of Dave Wiegman interview. He describes his filming activity. Does it match the animation previously provided? Listen/Watch and compare chris Hi Duncan, I should have posted Wiegman stabilized first and then commented. In this 11 frame animation, Wiegman is stabilized. In the first few frames, the camera is up to his face, then he drops it down to his chest, just as he states in the mp3 file I supplied. (Previous post). All this time he is filming the Hester's. Why no camera movement in the Hester footage, if someone moves the camera from face level down to chest level, as they are continuously filming? Also, watch Tom Craven in the lower right part of the animation. He is filming towards the Hester's, and then in 4 frames, he turns his head and is walking forward. That's impossible. Yes 4 frames Bell, who's film we are watching has a Kodak 8mm movie, don't know the FPS on it, a guess would be about 16 FPS. Which means Craven does his movement in about one quarter of a second. Where is Tom Craven's film? Craven is also shown in pictures filming the Newman's, just like Wiegman. I will post a comparison from Wiegman's film and a Cancellare photo later. In Couch's movie, Wiegman is seen running down the knoll, but in the area where the Hester's appear, someone rises at that point. (Timing) Have to look at Couch a little closer though, to make sure it's not the Chism's. got to run chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Rheberg Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 Hi Chris..I think it's the black man carrying the baby. What you see as a white shirt is the baby.Duncan Who are the two people behind the Stemmons sign?Jack Photo provided by Jack White. mp3 track of Dave Wiegman interview. He describes his filming activity. Does it match the animation previously provided? Listen/Watch and compare chris Hi Duncan, I should have posted Wiegman stabilized first and then commented. In this 11 frame animation, Wiegman is stabilized. In the first few frames, the camera is up to his face, then he drops it down to his chest, just as he states in the mp3 file I supplied. (Previous post). All this time he is filming the Hester's. Why no camera movement in the Hester footage, if someone moves the camera from face level down to chest level, as they are continuously filming? Also, watch Tom Craven in the lower right part of the animation. He is filming towards the Hester's, and then in 4 frames, he turns his head and is walking forward. That's impossible. Yes 4 frames Bell, who's film we are watching has a Kodak 8mm movie, don't know the FPS on it, a guess would be about 16 FPS. Which means Craven does his movement in about one quarter of a second. Where is Tom Craven's film? Craven is also shown in pictures filming the Newman's, just like Wiegman. I will post a comparison from Wiegman's film and a Cancellare photo later. In Couch's movie, Wiegman is seen running down the knoll, but in the area where the Hester's appear, someone rises at that point. (Timing) Have to look at Couch a little closer though, to make sure it's not the Chism's. got to run chris Duncan & Chris, You've both made some mistakes here. First, Duncan, you identified the figure behind the Stemmons sign in the Bell film as a black man carrying a baby. By that you mean John Chism carrying three year old son Ricky. It wasn't John and Ricky, however, but rather NBC's Dave Wiegman still filming the Hesters. John, Ricky and Faye Chism were standing in the grass just below shelter #4 with Ricky in Faye's arms. Second, Chris, you identified a man in "the lower right part of the animation" of the Bell film as CBS cameraman Tom Craven. Actually, it's most likely White House cameraman Tom Atkins who left camera car #1 at about the same time as Wiegman. Craven remained in their car until sometime after the President's limo went through the triple underpass. You can see Craven's late arrival on the knoll clearly in several photos and in the Martin film. You can also spot him arriving late at the beginning of the Couch film, if you look closely, along with Atkins who continues to move toward the Newmans as Wiegman sprints down the knoll after filming the Hesters. This also means that Craven did not film the Hesters at this point in time. Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Davidson Posted February 8, 2007 Author Share Posted February 8, 2007 Hi Chris..I think it's the black man carrying the baby. What you see as a white shirt is the baby.Duncan Who are the two people behind the Stemmons sign?Jack Photo provided by Jack White. mp3 track of Dave Wiegman interview. He describes his filming activity. Does it match the animation previously provided? Listen/Watch and compare chris Hi Duncan, I should have posted Wiegman stabilized first and then commented. In this 11 frame animation, Wiegman is stabilized. In the first few frames, the camera is up to his face, then he drops it down to his chest, just as he states in the mp3 file I supplied. (Previous post). All this time he is filming the Hester's. Why no camera movement in the Hester footage, if someone moves the camera from face level down to chest level, as they are continuously filming? Also, watch Tom Craven in the lower right part of the animation. He is filming towards the Hester's, and then in 4 frames, he turns his head and is walking forward. That's impossible. Yes 4 frames Bell, who's film we are watching has a Kodak 8mm movie, don't know the FPS on it, a guess would be about 16 FPS. Which means Craven does his movement in about one quarter of a second. Where is Tom Craven's film? Craven is also shown in pictures filming the Newman's, just like Wiegman. I will post a comparison from Wiegman's film and a Cancellare photo later. In Couch's movie, Wiegman is seen running down the knoll, but in the area where the Hester's appear, someone rises at that point. (Timing) Have to look at Couch a little closer though, to make sure it's not the Chism's. got to run chris Duncan & Chris, You've both made some mistakes here. First, Duncan, you identified the figure behind the Stemmons sign in the Bell film as a black man carrying a baby. By that you mean John Chism carrying three year old son Ricky. It wasn't John and Ricky, however, but rather NBC's Dave Wiegman still filming the Hesters. John, Ricky and Faye Chism were standing in the grass just below shelter #4 with Ricky in Faye's arms. Second, Chris, you identified a man in "the lower right part of the animation" of the Bell film as CBS cameraman Tom Craven. Actually, it's most likely White House cameraman Tom Atkins who left camera car #1 at about the same time as Wiegman. Craven remained in their car until sometime after the President's limo went through the triple underpass. You can see Craven's late arrival on the knoll clearly in several photos and in the Martin film. You can also spot him arriving late at the beginning of the Couch film, if you look closely, along with Atkins who continues to move toward the Newmans as Wiegman sprints down the knoll after filming the Hesters. This also means that Craven did not film the Hesters at this point in time. Ken Ken, thanks for clearing that up. I was also wrong about Atkins movement in a quarter second. It's Bell's panning that gives the impression of Atkins moving so quickly. I did find both Craven and Atkins footage of the Newman's. Do you know if there is more to either of their films than this? I still believe the animations of Wiegman/Hester are the same point in time. thanks chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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