Planned Fort Dix Attack

[William Kelly]

A breaking news story concerns a cell of six to ten Islamic extremists who planned to attack soldiers in training at Fort Dix, New Jersey.

They were discovered by a video store clerk who was asked to convert a training video to DVD, which sparked the FBI to infiltrate the group, tape and encourage them by offering to sell them weapons.

Non connected to any international terrorist group, they were inspired by Al Qaeda videos.

They planned on infiltrating the base as their leader had done previously, by delivering pizza.

More to come on this one.

BK

[William Kelly]

A breaking news story concerns a cell of six to ten Islamic extremists who planned to attack soldiers in training at Fort Dix, New Jersey.

They were discovered by a video store clerk who was asked to convert a training video to DVD, which sparked the FBI to infiltrate the group, tape and encourage them by offering to sell them weapons.

Non connected to any international terrorist group, they were inspired by Al Qaeda videos.

They planned on infiltrating the base as their leader had done previously, by delivering pizza.

More to come on this one.

BK

Okay, there were ten men practice shooting in the video, yet only 6 were arrested and the others were deemed not involved in terrorism. They won't let child molesters move into a neighborhood without warning neighbors but now we got four trained terrorist who they say are okay, just practiced being terrorists.

The "cell" was infiltrated by two FBI undercover agents, who offered to sell them weapons. One of the infiltrators was a former Egyptian army soldier, like Ali Mohamid, the Fort Bragg Special Ops Sgt. who trained the Blind Sheik's cell.

There are no ties to Al Qaeda and these are suppose to be a "new breed" of homegrown terrorists who are inspired by terrorist videos and propaganda.

Since I live within the pizza delivery zone of one of the primary suspects, I have a good make on this whole story, if anybody's interested.

BK

[John Geraghty]

I'm all ears Bill.

[William Kelly]

I'm all ears Bill.

I don't know where this is going to go.

Fort Dix is primarliy a training base, has been since WWI, and now trains mostly National Guard and Reserve units, who are getting called up to serve in Iraq and Afghanistan. Unlike regular army, air force, these people are citizen-soldiers who have real jobs they must leave to serve a tour overseas in a combat zone.

The six terroists so far identified are all foreign born Muslims, who don't go to Mosq, one us citizen, two legal and three illegals, all working typical jobs for their station - cab driver, convenience store clerk, pizza deliveryman - the pizza guy's father owns a pizza joint near the base and delivers inside the base.

They formed their own cell and videotaped their practicing at a rifle range in Pocono Mts., about three hours away in Pennsylvania. I don't know why they did that when Fort Dix has hundreds of practice ranges, some on Range Road three miles from my place. They practice everything there. I hear them at night and especially whenever it rains.

Their plan was to infiltrate the base posing as pizza deliverymen, for which they had a valid pass, and shoot up the soldiers at random once inside. Fort Dix is next to McGuire AFB and is now connected to Lakehurst Naval Air Station (Remember the Hindenberg), making it the first Joint Mega-Base, which should be fully operational within five years.

The base is huge and extends from near Trenton to the shore at Lakehurst.

The pizza joint is on the other side of the base so they didn't deliver to me.

But the cook, a neighbor who I've not yet met, quit when he found out who he was working for, saying his son is in the 82nd airborn in Afghanistan.

The authorities were first tipped off by a videostore clerk who was asked to make a DVD of their training videos, in which they also talk about jaihad.

That was 15 months ago. Since then the FBI infiltrated them with two double-agents, one who was a former Egyptian army soldier, who offered to supply more weapons, but instead gave them inopperable ones.

They made a few dry runs and also targeted Fort Monmouth and the Army-Navy football game in nearby Philadelphia.

The suspects are all in their 20s.

Three brothers, Dritain, 28, Shain, 26 and Eljvir "Elvis" Duka, 23, are Albanians born in former Yugoslavia, Shnewer, 22 is from Jordan, Agron Abdullahu, 24, is Albanian, a one-time sniper.

Serdar Tatar, 23, born in Turkey, legal resident who lives in Philadelphia, and drives a cab. He occassionally delivers pizza for his father's store in Wrightstown and works as a clerk at a 7/11 near Temple University.

"None of the men was on anyone's radar screen...until...tipped off by clerk..." a federal agent said.

The feds probably pulled the plug on this when they wanted the publicity.

The only thing that will come of it is the guys on base, waiting to fly off to a combat zone, won't be able to get their last pizza delivered to them.

Now aren't you glad you asked, John?

BK

Edited May 10, 2007 by William Kelly

[William Kelly]

Well this trial has been delayed because there's too much evidence for the defense lawyers to review, so it won't go to court until early next year - 2008.

The Judge has however, already announced that the evidence revealed to the defense attorneys will be posted on the internet for all to see, a new judicial inovation that will be interesting to see how it plays out.

The defense attorneys are already hot to bring out the undercover agent - provokateur?

Will keep people posted if there's an interest in this case.

I'm trying to get photos of the pizza delivery vehicle - and logo - and the map of the fort they were using to deliver their pizza and survey their targets - which I haven't reallyh identified yet - it's a Big - base - the first Mega-Base - with one commander overseeing three different branches of military - Fort Dix - McGuire AF Base and Lakehurst Naval Air Station.

The marines are here too, for training in the vast Jersey Pines.

What the pizza guys were planning to do I don't know.

BK

[Evan Burton]

I'm surprised they allowed pizza deliveries on base. We certainly don't; no taxis, either. Any commercial deliveries (stores, etc) have to be prearranged and unless they are on a special list, they must be escorted. If you ordered a pizza, you'd have to pick it up at the front gate.

Dumb, dumb, dumb.

[William Kelly]

I'm surprised they allowed pizza deliveries on base. We certainly don't; no taxis, either. Any commercial deliveries (stores, etc) have to be prearranged and unless they are on a special list, they must be escorted. If you ordered a pizza, you'd have to pick it up at the front gate.

Dumb, dumb, dumb.

Yea Evan, the delivery guys have to fill out a form and are given some background checks.

Wait till you see a map of the base - its pretty big - a half-dozen gates.

And because of the base being there for so long, there's a lot of ethnic variety in the ownership of local businesses.

BK

[Len Colby]

Strange the putting of evidence on the internet....! Sounds like a typical provocation, even if the guys were disgruntled at the bad pizza tips or the USG.

As I pointed out on another thread some people can interpret any result as backing their preconceived notions. When the government didn’t release evidence such as passenger manifests, autopsy reports, surveillance videos, CVR tapes and transcripts etc before the Mousoui trail (bend the) “truthers” asked what they were hiding. Now that the judge has decided to make evidence available online Peter asks why.

So do you think the judge is in on it too? If the defense attorneys considered it prejudicial they are free to appeal his (her) decision and would probably win. In that case “truthers” would complain about the suppression of evidence.

[Ron Ecker]

What I find interesting about this case is that the operation was foiled by FBI infiltration. It has been my impression that FBI infiltrators in an operation almost guarantees the operation's success (e.g. the first WTC bombing, and according to one theory the OKC bombing).

[William Kelly]

What I find interesting about this case is that the operation was foiled by FBI infiltration. It has been my impression that FBI infiltrators in an operation almost guarantees the operation's success (e.g. the first WTC bombing, and according to one theory the OKC bombing).

Ron,

The use of the double-agent infiltrator was essential for breaking the case, and will be used as an example case study for future counter-intelligence ops.

Camden, N.J. Federal Court, where the case will be tried, is also the scene of the trail of the Camden 28 - I might have the number wrong, but there's a new documentary film out about the case.

Bob Hardy, ex-USMC, volunteered to infiltrate a loose affiliation of anti-Vietnam war activists, who were caught red handed stealing the Camden County Draft records from the court house.

They were found not-guilty when it was revealed that Hardy provided the idea for the crime, the tools used to break in, the truck used to transport the tools and files and was, in essence, an agent provokatur.

I don't know if that's the way it will play out here, but from what I can gather the double-agent in the Fort Dix Six case was used before in other, similar situation and is being considered for additional use before his identity is revealed.

Nor do I know if it was the double-agent's idea to go with the pizza delivery route.

When the Beatles came to Atantic City they were smuggled about in a Fish truck.

BK

[Len Colby]

I only said it was strange and attach nothing more to it than that. I'd never heard of that before. I have no opinion pro or con on it, yet.

Strange is often used as a synonym for suspicious. Sorry if I misrepresented your position but you saying it “Sounds like a typical provocation” seemed to indicate it had some sort of sinister overtones and that is how YOU (or people you quoted) used the word on more than one occasion here:

“he has found some very strange [sic] connections on who sent and received and promoted calls from the flight”

Referring to Daniel P. Sheehan: “He's a good man and many a good man in today's America have strange negative things happen to them”

“his [Tosh Plumlee’s] assciation with Mafia persons involved with black ops along with, and sometimes for the CIA/JMWAVE and other agencies and operations of that ilk before 1963; and a host of very strange life moves/events - all but impossible to explain without the unseen hand of the intelligence world behind them.”

“it was at about that time [coincidentely or not] that many strange things started to happen in my life and that of Plumlee”

“Valentine's job, similarly, could be to do damage control among antiwar activists, by advocating an obviously wrong, virtually impossible remote control theory. Valentine's readers are sent along to Vialls' site where they can readily see that he makes strange and inexplicable arguments.”

“Von Buelow: If this Atta was the decisive man in the operation,

it's really strange that he took such a risk of taking a plane

that would reach Boston such a short time before

the connecting flight. Had his flight been a few minutes late,

he would not have been in the plane that was hijacked.

Why should a sophisticated terrorist do this?”

Refering to Jack White: “It was never his responsibility to find the hidden clues, the strange facts, the tampered-with or manufactured evidence.”

I could cite a lot more but I believe I’ve made my point

I did not here nor at anytime opine on the Mousoui Trial on this Forum....

Nor did I say you or anybody else opine about it merely that “truthers” normally complain about the suppressed evidence, they often ask that their experts be given access to WTC steel samples etc. Are you sure that you’ve never complained about the government’s failure to release 9/11 evidence?

I do not group myself or see myself as affiliated with any group you invent....McCarthy tactics....

I didn’t invent the “truth movement” nor that expression or even the term “truther”, that was Karl Rove (LOL). Just as any one who advocates socialism is a socialist or anyone who backs neocon policies is a neocon independent of what groups that are or aren’t members of people who believe the USG orchestrated 9/11 or “let it happen” etc. are “truthers” a designation they chose for themselves.

Speaking of “McCarthy tactics” you routinely insinuate that I and others who disagree with you are paid government agents.

I did not speak to nor harbor any suspicion of the Judge....over-reaching and a provocation.

The only substantive comment I did make you didn't address...as is your want. I said that I thought the FBI or whomever seem to have been active provocateurs in this matter*......[something I'm sure you are familiar with in great detail].

You didn’t make it clear whom you were referring to in that sentence. You can hardly complain about not having points addressed or being misunderstood when such confusion is a result of poor writing on your part.

[Len Colby]

I do not group myself or see myself as affiliated with any group you invent....McCarthy tactics....

I didn’t invent the “truth movement” nor that expression or even the term “truther”, that was Karl Rove (LOL). Just as any one who advocates socialism is a socialist or anyone who backs neocon policies is a neocon independent of what groups that are or aren’t members of people who believe the USG orchestrated 9/11 or “let it happen” etc. are “truthers” a designation they chose for themselves.

Speaking of “McCarthy tactics” you routinely insinuate that I and others who disagree with you are paid government agents.

Another problem with your stupid accusation was that I never suggested or even hinted that you or "truthers" should be ostracized, ignored, suppressed, punished etc for your beliefs.

[Duane Daman]

If [as I suspect 99.9%] you don't already work for the Company, just sent them the URLs of this forum I'm sure they will offer you a job well in excess of English teaching and Brazilain hand-made clothes. Your future is secure...unlike the planet's. You are on the wrong side of logic, truth, morality, the mass of humanity and history- you support the power structure and its lies in all cases. [iMO] If you are right, I'm a fool; if I am right humanity is in peril and you are not part of the solution, but the problem.

BRAVO !!!

[Len Colby]

I do not group myself or see myself as affiliated with any group you invent....McCarthy tactics....

I didn't invent the "truth movement" nor that expression or even the term "truther", that was Karl Rove (LOL). Just as any one who advocates socialism is a socialist or anyone who backs neocon policies is a neocon independent of what groups that are or aren't members of people who believe the USG orchestrated 9/11 or "let it happen" etc. are "truthers" a designation they chose for themselves.

Speaking of "McCarthy tactics" you routinely insinuate that I and others who disagree with you are paid government agents.

Another problem with your stupid accusation was that I never suggested or even hinted that you or "truthers" should be ostracized, ignored, suppressed, punished etc for your beliefs.

If [as I suspect 99.9%] you don't already work for the Company, just sent them the URLs of this forum I'm sure they will offer you a job well in excess of English teaching and Brazilain hand-made clothes. Your future is secure...unlike the planet's. You are on the wrong side of logic, truth, morality, the mass of humanity and history- you support the power structure and its lies in all cases. [iMO] If you are right, I'm a fool; if I am right humanity is in peril and you are not part of the solution, but the problem.

Great Peter another personal attack "full of venom" as you put it elsewhere. Funny you are now simultaneously the member who makes the most and complains most loudly about personal attacks. Thanks for bringing this thread to my attention again I’d forgotten that you hd gratuitously accused me of using "McCarthy tactics".

EDITED to be less inflammatory.

Edited August 30, 2007 by Len Colby

[William Kelly]

What I find interesting about this case is that the operation was foiled by FBI infiltration. It has been my impression that FBI infiltrators in an operation almost guarantees the operation's success (e.g. the first WTC bombing, and according to one theory the OKC bombing).

Ron,

The use of the double-agent infiltrator was essential for breaking the case, and will be used as an example case study for future counter-intelligence ops.

Camden, N.J. Federal Court, where the case will be tried, is also the scene of the trail of the Camden 28 - I might have the number wrong, but there's a new documentary film out about the case.

Bob Hardy, ex-USMC, volunteered to infiltrate a loose affiliation of anti-Vietnam war activists, who were caught red handed stealing the Camden County Draft records from the court house.

They were found not-guilty when it was revealed that Hardy provided the idea for the crime, the tools used to break in, the truck used to transport the tools and files and was, in essence, an agent provokatur.

I don't know if that's the way it will play out here, but from what I can gather the double-agent in the Fort Dix Six case was used before in other, similar situation and is being considered for additional use before his identity is revealed.

Nor do I know if it was the double-agent's idea to go with the pizza delivery route.

When the Beatles came to Atantic City they were smuggled about in a Fish truck.

BK

NJ State Sheriff Jim Plousis said that moving on public tips and infilitration of groups will be the wave of the future and the way the next 9/11 is stopped before it happens.

In this vein I suggest reviews of Robert Hardy, McVeigh, et al., and how they fit into operational profile.

Did I recently see Donny Brasco snitch in league with Bill Bonanno Jr.?

What's that all about?

Do you think the informant on the Dix Six case will write a book and make a movie?

BK