Mike Rago Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 (edited) Who had the greatest motive to have JFK removed from office? Who had the greatest reward to risk ratio? Edited July 29, 2012 by Mike Rago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathaniel Heidenheimer Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 Hitting 3rd, Nelson Rockefeller LF Hitting 4th Angleton C Hitting 5th David Rockefeller RF Hitting 6th Allen Dulles CF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathaniel Heidenheimer Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 (edited) Hitting 1st. David Atlee Phillips SS Hitting 2nd Claire Booth Luce 3rd Base Hitting 3rd Nelson Rockefeller LF Hitting 4th James Angleton C Hitting 5th David Rockefeller RF Hitting 6th Allen Dulles 1 Base Hitting 7th John J. McCloy CF Hitting 8th J.C. King 2nd Base Hitting 9th C. D. Jackson Pitcher FOR THOSE NOT FAMILIAR WITH BASEBALL THE BEST HITTER USUALLY HITS 3RD. For example, the former First baseman for the current World Champions.. the name escapes me at the moment... hit 3rd. I am well aware that many people will see this structure as stupid, and worse. It was not intended as such. I actually think that this structure of lineups,, which I stole from the poet Charles North, can be a useful analytic tool. Hey, they're a small market team! Edited July 29, 2012 by Nathaniel Heidenheimer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tom Scully Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 (edited) From a financial POV, and from the standpoint of enduring political influence, history has borne out this result.: Obama tries to allay Jewish concerns - USATODAY.com www.usatoday.com/news/politics/2008-03-14-51172334_x.htm Mar 14, 2008 – And he said critics' e-mails never mention Lester Crown, a member of his national finance committee who is "considered about as hawkish and and tough when it comes to Israel as anybody in the country." http://www.iht.com/a...cago.php?page=5 ...Straddling Two Worlds As Obama moved closer to running, he paid a visit to James Crown and his father, Lester, billionaire investors who presided over a sprawling Chicago business dynasty and prominent leaders in the Jewish community.... http://www.jpost.com....aspx?id=118057 Mr. Obama's neighborhood .... TO TRACE the story of Obama's Chicago Jewish political connections, one needs to start in Boston. The story, as long-time acquaintance and major Jewish philanthropist Lester Crown tells it, goes something like this.... ...These kinds of introductions proved key for Obama's construction of a network which would eventually support his political aspirations. The Crown family, for instance, have been major financial backers, with Lester's son James serving as Obama's Illinois finance chairman.... It seems Briton Hadden's half brother, Crowell, and his first cousin, Time's managing editor John Martin, were able to overlook Henry Luce's incredible betrayal of his friend and partner, Briton Hadden, or they were keeping enemy Luce close for practical reasons. Henry Luce also brought his own family into Time, Inc., in this example, a Mr. Moore, the husband of Luce's sister, Elizabeth : "...Mr. Moore was associated with the firm (the law firm with which McCloy had spent fifteen years, the prestigious Cravath, Swaine & Moore (earlier known as Cravath, Henderson, Leffingwell and de Gersdorff)) from 1920 to 1967 and became presiding partner in 1963. Cravath, Swaine & Moore became counsel for Time Inc. after the corporation moved its headquarters back to New York from Cleveland in 1927. The magazine was founded by Mr. Moore's brother-in-law, Henry Luce, in 1923..." https://www.google.c...biw=811&bih=495 GILPATRIC'S ROLE IN TFX QUESTIONED; McClellan Raises an... - New York Times - Nov 19, 1963 ...The session brought out that ,Mr. Gilpatric was influential in j Continued on Page 17, Column 3 GILPATRIC S ROLE ON TFX QUERIED Continued From Page 1, Col. 2 bringing the General Dynamics account to his law firm, that Maurice Moore, senior partner of the firm, was named to the General Dynamics board of directors one month after the TFX contract was awarded to the company. -Gilpatric's former law firm was named counsel for General Dynamics at the same time. -Gilpatric acknowledged that he spent about onefourth of his time as a lawyer during 2i4 years in the late 1950's handling General Dynamics matters, and GD paid his firm $111000 in legal fees during this same period....." The hearing described above was held on 18 November, four days later President Kennedy was cut down in Dallas, and just three weeks later, : http://www.google.co...37f1e892d64f77a TFX Inquiry Seems Ended as McClellan Delays Hearings... - New York Times - Dec 15, 1963 It now appears likely that Senator McClellan may end the investigation with one or ... Dynamics plans to do most o! the TFX production work) at its Convair . (Quote) http://educationforu...39 ...Rozwell Gilpatric, JFK assistant secretary of defense implicated in the $6.8 billion TFX contract award to Crown's General Dynamics, was recommended to JFK by Bush Harriman partner and chair of the committee that designed the CIA, Robert Lovett. According to this, Gilpatric helped Henry Crown unload Material Service Corp. onto General Dynamics, without noticing,, as Harry Booth did in his October, 1963 suit, that most of MSC's "holdings" and it's long time revenue stream had been appropriated from the people of Chicago, and then sometimes sold back to them, although they owned the assets sitting on top of the land leased to Crown's MSC. http://books.google....nG=Search Books Lions in the street: the inside story of the great Wall Street law firms - Page 14 Paul Hoffman - Law - 1973 - 244 pages Gilpatric himself had an office in General Dynamics' headquarters in Rockefeller Center and had advised the company on its acquisition of Material Services ... http://books.google....o...sa=N&tab=wp Captive city - Page 216 Ovid Demaris - Social Science - 1969 - 366 pages 16 Attorney Harry Booth is Chicago's most formidable dragon slayer. Frail, myopic, rumpled and no taller or heavier than a jockey, his favorite mount is a monolithic public utility. The bigger they are, the faster they run when the diminutive attorney gets that riding gleam behind his thick-lensed spectacles. In the past forty years, he has filed more suits in behalf of consumers of natural gas, electricity, telephone, water and transit than all other lawyers in Chicago combined....(/quote) Maurice T. "Tex" Moore was married to Luce's sister and had a history I could not have done a better job of using as background for an important suspect in a mystery novel, but instead, his background details are coincidental and would only be significant if he was Lee Harvey Oswald, according to this "rule".: http://educationforu...ndpost&p=217332 Federal bar news: Volume 13 Federal Bar Association - 1966 - Snippet view In his address, Mr. Jenner stated that a series of extraordinary coincidences made it seem most likely that the assassination of President Kennedy was the work of one man — Lee Harvey Oswald.... quote http://www.google.co...11449ec20a1000f Business week: Issues 1783-1790 1963 - The subcommittee also brought out that Gilpatric personally chose Maurice T. Moore to take over the General Dynamics account when he left the law firm. Moore became a director of General Dynamics shortly after the TFX contract was... http://news.google.c...f absence&hl=en Claim Gilpatric Should Have Disqualified Self The Telegraph-Herald - Nov 18, 1963 ...When Gilpatric, deputy sec-retary of defense claimed that attorney general Robert F. Kennedy's Justice Department said he was not involved in a violation of the law, McClellan snapped: "They cleared Korth, too." unquote "Mission" accomplished?...Or, move along, people....nothing to see, here! http://www.google.co...37f1e892d64f77aTFX Inquiry Seems Ended as McClellan Delays Hearings... - New York Times - Dec 15, 1963 It now appears likely that Senator McClellan may end the investigation with one or ... Dynamics plans to do most o! the TFX production work) at its Convair . http://www.sfgate.com/business/article/ON-ECONOMICS-How-Kennedy-Assassination-2958771.php#page-2 November 18, 1996|By JONATHAN MARSHALL One of the first questions any murder investigator asks is cui bono -- who benefits. In the case of the John F. Kennedy assassination, whose 33rd anniversary falls on Friday, new answers have come from a recent economic study called "Friends in High Places: The Wealth Effects of JFK's Assassination on the Assets of LBJ's Supporters." The study, by Claremont-McKenna College economist William Brown Jr., was published this year in Public Choice, a leading social science journal. ...A postscript for assassination buffs: No individual stood to lose more from the TFX scandal than Chicago investor Henry Crown, who owned 20 percent of General Dynamics. His personal attorney, Albert Jenner, became a senior staff attorney on the Warren Commission, in charge of investigating the possibility of a conspiracy.... .... http://hosted.ap.org...ford/ford03.PDF Ford reported to DeLoach that at a top-secret meeting of the commission held on December 16, 1963 the commission’s general counsel, J.Lee Rankin, had been empowered to retain to “so-called technicians.” The two who were under consideration were Francis W.H. Adams, a former New York City police commissioner, and Albert E. Jenner, Jr., a Chicago lawyer. Ford, the documents disclose, could only remember the last names of the two men. The FBI then began an investigation to determine who “Adams” and “Jenner” were. DeLoach, who was the number three man in the FBI, ranking just uner Hoover and his friende Clyde Tolson, reported, “I told Congressman Ford in strict confidence that apparently Chief Justice Warren was quite close to Drew Pearson (a leading syndicated columnist) and obviously used Pearson from time to time to get his thoughts across as the percentage of the facts in the articles that were absolutely false.” http://news.google.c...hl=en&scoring=a Daily Herald: Ex-farmer, judge Crown remembered as 'wise, fair' - Daily Herald - NewsBank - Mar 8, 1997 Crown clerked for US Supreme Court Justice Tom Clark from 1956 to 1959 and ... law at the Chicago firm of Jenner and Block, where he became a partner. ... http://books.google....epage&q&f=false The Kennedy assassination cover-up By Donald Gibson page -96 ...Two of Jenner's references were mentioned by name. Tom Clark, former Attorney General of the U.S..... http://news.google.c...old names&hl=en Daytona Beach Morning Journal - Oct 26, 1963 pg. 8 Murder Of A Chicago Gambler . Washington Merry Go Round By Drew Pearson ...I took the story back to Washington and Atty. Gen. Tom Clark authorized a dozen or so FBI men to check on Ragen's facts. A couple of weeks later, they reported that they were true. They also reported that control of the underworld reached into very high places. Some of the rulers of the underworld had become supposedly respected businessmen and politicians whose names were household words in Chicago. Some of them, it was stated, had reformed. Yet they still controlled the mob... http://www.google.co...11449ec20a1000f Diaries, 1949-1959: Volume 1 Drew Pearson, Tyler Abell - 1974 - 592 pages - Snippet view Tom Clark told me afterward that it led to very high places. J. Edgar Hoover intimated the same thing. He said the people Ragen pointed to had now reformed. I learned later that it pointed to the Hilton hotel chain, Henry Crown, .. I've stumbled upon Henry Luce's brother-in-law, Maurice T. Moore, and I've written about him on the Albert E. Jenner, ...Coincidences thread.: (quote)http://educationforu...=0 GILPATRIC'S ROLE IN TFX QUESTIONED; McClellan Raises an... - New York Times - Nov 19, 1963 Mr. Gilpat,tic immediately answered that his participation in the controversial ... that Maurice Moore, senior partner of the firm, was named to the General ... http://www.google.co...37f1e892d64f77a # Evidence Implies Order Expected by Dynamics Pay-Per-View - Hartford Courant - Nov 21, 1963 The company still is counsel! to General Dynamics. Its senior, partner, Maurice T. Moore, is a General Dynamics director. Gilpatric told the subcommit-i lee ... McClellan, Gilpatric Clash in TFX... - Chicago Tribune (Pay-Per-View) all 26 news articles » # New Director Named By General Dynamics $3.95 - New York Times - Jan 7, 1963 Maurice T. Moore, special counsel to the executive committee of the General Dynamics Corporation's board of directors, has been elected a director of tha ... TFX Inquiry Gets Hotter Pay-Per-View - Wall Street Journal - Mar 21, 1963 In the case of General Dynamics. for example, the Cravath tom advises on certain ... Maurice T. Moore of the taw firm said Mr. Gilpatnc hadn't any financial ... http://www.google.co...11449ec20a1000f The corporate director: a critical evaluation: Volume 222 Stanley C. Vance - 1968 - 261 pages - Snippet view allegation of collusive action by pointing out that one of Gilpat- rick's former law partners, Maurice T. Moore, became a director of General Dynamics a month after the Defense Department gave the TFX contract to the corporation... http://www.time.com/...,836817,00.html Editors: Last Testament Friday, Mar. 17, 1967 ....Luce left 149,465 shares of Time Inc. common stock, which closed the week at $108 a share, to the foundation. Another 540,000 shares, owned by a trust created in 1961, were vested in the foundation on Luce's death. Since the foundation already owned 191,029 shares, it will, with a total of 880,494 shares, control 12.7% of the common stock and constitute the largest single voting block. Its members include Luce's two sons, Henry III, who is president, and Peter Paul; Luce's sister, Elisabeth Luce Moore, and her husband Maurice T. Moore, a member of the Time Inc. board of directors and a partner in the Manhattan law firm of Cravath, Swaine & Moore; and two early associates of Luce's: Roy E. Larsen, chairman of the executive committee of Time Inc., and Charles L. Stillman, chairman of the finance committee. (/quote) Looks like LBJ appointed the WC Commissioners with the deliberate intention of leaving them to "investigate" themselves! (quote)http://www.google.co...nG=Search Books The Kennedy assassination cover-up revisited Donald Gibson - 2005 - 294 pages - McCloy was a friend of Time, Inc.'s President, James A. Linen, and of Time director Paul Hoffman.21 Another of the members of Time's board of directors and another of McCloy's friends was Maurice T. Moore. Moore was married to Henry Luce's sister and he was a member for decades of the law firm with which McCloy had spent fifteen years, the prestigious Cravath, Swaine & Moore (earlier known as Cravath, Henderson, Leffingwell and de Gersdorff).22 Another member of that firm and a friend and mentor to McCloy was Russell C. Leffingwell,23 who succeeded Thomas Lamont,... http://www.google.co...37f1e892d64f77a # GLOBALISTS RUN US, SAYS SEN. MALONE - Chicago Tribune - Apr 25, 1949 Dulles a Wall st lawyer is a director of the Rockefeller Foun dationEHis ... the advice and counsel of Maurice T Moore Wall st lawyer who had reorganized ... # Memories of Henry Luce, His Life and Time - Los Angeles Times - Mar 5, 1967 They drove furiously back to the driver s quarters where Luce read the storySaid announcement was made by Rockefeller's lawyer Maurice T Moore Tex Moore My . (/quote) quote http://www.nytimes.c...ne-partner.html MAURICE T. MOORRE DIES AT 90; EX-CRAVATH, SWAINE PARTNER By JOAN COOK (The New York Times); Obituary June 24, 1986, Tuesday Maurice T. Moore, a former presiding partner in the New York law firm of Cravath, Swaine & Moore, died Sunday at his apartment in Manhattan. He was 90 years old and also lived in Weston, Conn. Mr. Moore was associated with the firm from 1920 to 1967 and became presiding partner in 1963. Cravath, Swaine & Moore became counsel for Time Inc. after the corporation moved its headquarters back to New York from Cleveland in 1927. The magazine was founded by Mr. Moore's brother-in-law, Henry Luce, in 1923. Mr. Moore was elected to the Time board of directors in 1939 and remained on it until 1970. He was chairman from 1942 to 1960. Trustee of Many Organizations In 1958, he assisted Paul G. Hoffman in organizing and staffing the Marshall Plan. Mr. Moore was on the board of the Young Men's Christian Association for many years and was on the board of trustees of the Y.M.C.A. of Greater New York until 1982. He had been a member of the board of trustees of Columbia University since 1952 and was its chairman from 1955 to 1967. He was also a trustee of Trinity University in San Antonio and the Brick Presbyterian Church in Manhattan. Mr. Moore was a director of the General Dynamics Corporation from 1962 to 1972; a director of the Chemical Bank from 1949 to 1968, and an advisory director from 1968 to 1973; a director of the Pennsylvania Glass Sand Corporation from 1927 to 1968, and a director of the Studebaker-Packard Corporation from 1935 to 1958. He was born in Deport, Tex. Mr. Moore was an alumnus of Trinity at its original campus in Waxahachie, Tex. He earned an M.A. from Columbia and an LL.B. from the Columbia Law School. During World War I, he served as a first lieutenant in the infantry. Surviving are his wife, the former Elizabeth Luce; two sons, Maurice Jr., of Provincetown, Mass., and Michael, of Saratoga Springs, N.Y. unquote (quote)http://www.time.com/...,826371,00.html THE PRESS: New TIME Team Monday, May. 02, 1960 For TIME INC., publishers of TIME, LIFE, FORTUNE, SPORTS ILLUSTRATED, ARCHITECTURAL FORUM and HOUSE & HOME magazines, 1959 was a year of unprecedented growth. Its magazines registered a total circulation gain of 605,436 to 11,485,901 and, together with other TIME INC. properties, produced a record-breaking revenue of $271,373,088. But if 1959 was a year of growth, 1960 is a year of change with an eye to the future. Last week the board of directors of TIME INC. approved the election of a new top-management team. Said Editor-in-Chief Henry R. Luce and President Roy E. Larsen in announcing the changes: "Younger men of proven ability take over positions of leadership." To succeed Maurice T. Moore, 64, TIME INC. board chairman since 1942, the board elected Andrew Heiskell, 44, publisher of LIFE for the past 14 years. Named president of TIME INC., replacing Larsen as the company's operating head: James A. Linen III, 47, who has been TIME'S publisher since 1945. Larsen, 61, who joined TIME as circulation manager in November, 1922, just before its first issue, and was LIFE'S publisher for ten years after its launching in 1936, becomes chairman of the executive committee of the board of directors; Moore continues as the company's chief counsel and a member of the board. In their new positions at TIME'S top, Linen and Heiskell will work closely with Larsen and with TIME'S founder and principal stockholder, Editor-in-Chief Luce. The new publisher of TIME, succeeding Linen, is Bernhard M. Auer, 44 (see A LETTER FROM THE PUBLISHER). LIFE'S new publisher: C. D. Jackson, 58, publisher of FORTUNE from 1949 to 1953 and onetime (1953-54) special assistant to President Eisenhower. The changes voted by the board also affect the youngest member of TIME INC.'S family, SPORTS ILLUSTRATED. Sidney L. James, 53, SI's managing editor since 1954, its first year of publication, succeeds Publisher Arthur R. Murphy, 44, who was elected a vice president of TIME INC. with the assignment of director of production. Assistant Managing Editor Andre Laguerre, 45, moves up to managing editor. The board also named David W. Brumbaugh, 51, now TIME INC. administrative vice president and secretary, to be executive vice president, treasurer, and a member of the board. Charles Stillman, 56, becomes chairman of the board's finance committee, and Howard Black, 63, becomes senior vice president. The shifts are part of a management-reorganization program that in recent months has included the appointment of Hedley Donovan, managing editor of FORTUNE from 1953 to 1959, as editorial director of TIME INC.; of Otto Fuerbringer as TIME'S managing editor, succeeding Roy Alexander, now editor; and of Duncan Norton-Taylor as FORTUNE'S managing editor. The changes, said Editor-in-Chief Luce, give TIME INC. "a management which will match the great opportunities of the future."(/quote) ................................................... http://books.google....epage&q&f=false The Outfit: The Role of Chicago's Underworld in the Shaping of ... - Google Books Result books.google.com/books?isbn=1582342792...Gus Russo - 2003 - Biography & Autobiography Jack Clarke, who worked in the investigative police unit of Chicago's Mayor Daley, recently recalled what happened next. "Bobby Kennedy called me and asked if there would be any problem if Jake Factor were pardoned," said Clarke. "When I explained the details of Factor's Outfit—Capone, Humphreys, the Sands, et cetera—Bobby went, 'Holy s___!' He then explained that he had already approved the pardon." Clarke added that Bobby's dealings with the Factor case were not atypical: "RFK didn't know what he was doing in the ]ustice Department. He had no idea of the subtleties, the histories of these people." I couldn't find another source for the quotes attributed to Jack Clarke. But the gist of it is consistent with what I am finding. For example, there is no record that RFK attempted to interfere with his brother leasing Glen Ora from a family with intense mob connections, or to immediately insist on the resignation of the clueless, incompetent SS Chief. (quote name='Tom Scully' date='03 October 2011 - 04:10 PM' timestamp='1317658217' post='235971) ....... The comments by Urbanus Baughman in his book indicate persuasively that before he resigned as chief of the SS, he believed Glen Ora was not a secure choice and that the costs of making it less insecure were prohibitive. So, why was JFK placed there for 2-1/2 years? In summer, 1961, did Baumann make CYA move by claiming that there was no national organized crime because he was aware Glen Ora was owned by the family that employed Pat Hoy for more than 15 years, until the same year JFK leased Glen Ora? ...... (/quote) (quote) http://books.google....nG=Search Books Secret Service Chief - Page 261 by Urbanus Edmund Baughman - Secret service - 1962 - 266 pages "It is that there is only one road that leads to the estate from the ... had a special heliport constructed and a helicopter kept in constant readiness when(/quote) Edited July 29, 2012 by Tom Scully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ecker Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 Hitting 1st. David Atlee Phillips SS Hitting 2nd Claire Booth Luce 3rd Base Hitting 3rd Nelson Rockefeller LF Hitting 4th James Angleton C Hitting 5th David Rockefeller RF Hitting 6th Allen Dulles 1 Base Hitting 7th John J. McCloy CF Hitting 8th J.C. King 2nd Base Hitting 9th C. D. Jackson Pitcher Why do you have LBJ on the bench? (Or did he even make the team?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Newell Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 LBJ was definitely a DESIGNATED hitter....Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Colby Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 From a financial POV, and from the standpoint of enduring political influence, history has borne out this result.: Obama tries to allay Jewish concerns - USATODAY.com www.usatoday.com/news/politics/2008-03-14-51172334_x.htm Mar 14, 2008 – And he said critics' e-mails never mention Lester Crown, a member of his national finance committee who is "considered about as hawkish and and tough when it comes to Israel as anybody in the country." http://www.iht.com/a...cago.php?page=5 ...Straddling Two Worlds As Obama moved closer to running, he paid a visit to James Crown and his father, Lester, billionaire investors who presided over a sprawling Chicago business dynasty and prominent leaders in the Jewish community.... http://www.jpost.com....aspx?id=118057 Mr. Obama's neighborhood .... TO TRACE the story of Obama's Chicago Jewish political connections, one needs to start in Boston. The story, as long-time acquaintance and major Jewish philanthropist Lester Crown tells it, goes something like this.... So you think the Joooz did it? See if you can answer my yes/no question in 5000 words or less, or better yet 100 or less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Colby Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 LBJ was definitely a DESIGNATED hitter....Robert Are they an AL or NL team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tom Scully Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 I think it is a mistake to approach the Time-Life "purchase" of the Zapruder film and the TFX scandal as unrelated events. TFX was at the time the most expensive single government contract in the history of the world. Frank Pace and Maurice T. Moore were two of the most trusted Henry Luce associates. It was and is a fact it is impossible to determine the reach and the influence of LCN in our American society, so maybe it was just easier to ignore LCN taint on the FBI, DOJ, Supreme Court, WC, the U.S. presidency, the business community, and of defense contractors. DID McNAMARA WEEP AT QUIZ? Chicago Tribune - Mar 23, 1963 "My 12-year-old-son came home from school and asked me, 'When are you going to say to the people you are not a crook?'" McNamara's defense of the contract . Maybe "Bob" should have been asked by senators during the McClellan inquiry how Patrick Hoy and Henry Crown of General Dynamics could have possibly been cleared for top security clearances by FBI or DOD investigators? Did Roz Gilpatric knowingly saddle General Dynamics with the assetless shell of a company Atty. Harry Booth, in 1963 exposed LCN financier, Henry Crown's Material Service Corp. to actually be, in exchange for 20 percent of General Dynamics' stock? Chicago Tribune - Nov 19, 1963 Gilpatric insists that his service with Dynamics dealt almost exclusively with its merger with the Material Service corporation of Chicago.... http://educationforu...ndpost&p=180439 ...Crown was to grow up to become the greatest exponent of sand and gravel in the world— virtually transforming sanitary district sand piles and quarries into gold mines. "Henry Crown," said Booth, "views the Sanitary District as a small subsidiary of Material Service Corporation." From the mid 1920s to the early 1940s, Crown purchased nearly 1000 acres of district land through nominees — Benjamin Z. Gould, general counsel of MSC, and one Clarence R. Serb — without competitive bidding, paying an average of $64 an acre. These vast holdings, plus another 420 acres held under long-term leases negotiated mostly in the 1950s, literally formed the foundation of MSC. These properties had mountains of earth and rock deposits on their surface (spoil banks rich in limestone used for crushed rock and cement) which were the residue from channel widening and deepening at the turn of the century. They saved MSC the expense of quarrying for years. In his complaint, Booth pointed out that "none of the leases approved by the Trustees authorized Material Service Corporation to engage in excavation of sand, gravel, or other materials from below the surface of the ground. On information and belief Material Service Corporation has engaged in extensive excavating operations and removed enormous quantities of sand, gravel, limestone and other materials from below the surface of the ground which it has sold. . .[obtaining] large revenues . . . and has unjustly and unlawfully enriched itself thereby. . . . All such acts and operations . . . are illegal and beyond the power granted . . . under the laws of the State of Illinois. ... From time to time Material Service Corporation has also been granted sub-leases and short-term leases also at inadequate rentals as well as buy the right to take other spoil banks at nominal prices. .... Is it purely coincidence that Pat Hoy's mentor, Ernie Byfield, Jr. was married for nearly thirty years to a woman who shortly after Byfield's death, married the suddenly talkative, 88 year old Robert S. McNamara? http://www.variety.c...w/VE1117920851/ This review was corrected on May 26, 2003. ...Widely admired for his creatively askew approach to unusual material, which sometimes but not always has socio-political currency, Morris was originally promised only an hour of interview time by McNamara and intended to do just a short television piece on the 85-year-old statesman/businessman, who has been interviewed countless times. But McNamara, often considered the architect of the Vietnam War, ended up giving Morris 20 hours, which gave the filmmaker enough not only to cover Vietnam but the entirety of McNamara's life, which began during World War I.... Former US defense chief, 88, gets married - World news -... msnbc.com - Sep 16, 2004 ASSISI, Italy — Former US Defense Secretary Robert McNamara married Italian-born widow Diana Masieri Byfield in a private ceremony Thursday in St. Francis ... McNamara career haunted by US role in Vietnam | Reuters Reuters UK - Jul 6, 2009 "His age just caught up with him," his wife Diana told Reuters. ... at age 88, he married his Italian-born sweetheart, Diana Masieri Byfield in Assisi, Italy. Only one, oh really? https://www.google.c...iw=1280&bih=783 Frank Pace Jr. Joins Time Inc. Directors Hartford Courant - Apr 25, 1960 Frank Pace Jr., chairman ot the board and chief executive officer ot General Dynamics ... A joint announcement from Time Inc. Editor-in-Chief Henry R. Luce and. ... https://www.google.c...iw=1280&bih=783 Luce Aides: 'No Drastic Changes'; 3 He Picked to Run Empire... New York Times - Mar 6, 1967 Luce last Monday, the day before he died in Phoenix, Ariz. ... Paul G. Hoffman, Samuel Meek, Maurice T. Moore and Frank Pace Jr. ' Mr. Luce, who was also on . https://www.google.c...iw=1280&bih=781 Evidence Implies Order Expected by Dynamics Hartford Courant - Nov 21, 1963 WASHINGTON (AP) -- Senate probers produced evidence Wednesday that a top executive of the General Dynamics Corp., claimed "reasonably strong indications" far in advance that the firm would win the huge, disputed TFX warplane... tract. Frank Pace, who has since resigned, was named as the . Deputy Secretary of Defense Roswell L. Gilpatric, testifying before the Senate Investigations subcommittee, swor he had no idea where Pace could have received such information. Former Legal Adviser Gilpatric is a former legal adviser to General Dynamics whose role in the TFX contract negotiations is under senatorial fire. He described Pacej as his close friend. Earlier in the day. Chairman John L. McClellan. D-Ark., told Gilpatric that he should have disqualified himself from having anything to do with the contract award, to avoid any possible allegations of conflict of in-i terest. I The subcommittee is investi-. gation whether favoritism' steered the contract to General Dynamics last December. Gilpatric and others in the Defense Department's civilian command overruled military I evaluations that a rival design and bid by the Boeing Co. of Seattle promised a better, cheaper version. Costly Project The Pentagon estimates the TFX project will cost between $5 billion and $7.5 billion. This would make it the largest in Pentagon history . I The subcommittee produced a! document dated "July 1961" in! which Pace, top official of Gen-; eral Dynamics' Fort Worth, \ Tex., division, told its top management: "There are reasonably strong indications that Fort Worth's proposed -: ration offers the only approach] that can satisfy both Air Force and Navy requirements" for (or the TFX. ! McClellan said this was "a, month and seven days" before the Pentagon had even complet-1 ed a statement of design re-! " Where," he demanded, "was the source of these reasonably strong indications? .......................................... So, how did we get from this situation: ON ECONOMICS: -- How Kennedy Assassination Affected Some Stock ... http://articles.sfga...ral-contracts/3 Nov 18, 1996 – A postscript for assassination buffs: No individual stood to lose more from the TFX scandal than Chicago investor Henry Crown, who owned 20 To this one? : http://www.washingto...6-2004Sep7.html Wedding Bells for Robert McNamara By Roxanne Roberts Washington Post Staff Writer Wednesday, September 8, 2004; Page C01 ...."Romantic" is not the first word that comes to mind when referring to Robert McNamara, but the 88-year-old former defense secretary is a dove when it comes to love. McNamara will wed his Italian-born sweetheart, Diana Masieri Byfield, next week in a ceremony in Italy. This is the second marriage for both. .... .....Byfield was born in Aviano, Italy, and still has a thick accent, although she came to the United States more than 40 years ago. As a teenager she showed horses and drove rally cars. She was married for more than three decades to Ernest Byfield, a former OSS officer and public relations executive. Byfield has lived for many years on a farm in Middleburg, and is an avid tennis player. http://educationforu...521&qpid=241124 (quote name='Tom Scully' date='17 December 2011 - 05:59 AM' timestamp='1324101541' post='241124') http://educationforu...26 (quote name='Tom Scully' date='23 November 2011 - 10:34 AM' timestamp='1322044475' post='238626') .................................. ......So what we've got here is Ernie Byfield Sr. and Jr., hosts of Irv Kupcinet in the Pump Room from 1943 to 1960. All three were close to Patrick Hoy, hired away from Byfield in 1960 by Henry Crown as liason between Crown Hilton General Dynamics Arvey, and the Chicago Syndicate's Sidney Korshak and Gus Alex Sam Giancana and Tony Accardo. Kupcinet's co-columnist is life long Jack Ruby friend, Jimmy Colitz. Ernie Byfield, Jr. joins the army and the OSS, and is the best man in the 1943 wedding of William HG Fitzgerald, later the senior SMOM in the United States. An usher in that wedding, Oliver W. Hammonds, a WWII army intelligence officer, becomes Jack Crichton's co-director in ARABIAN SHIELD DEVELOPMENT CO. Hammonds' brother-in-law is Chase Manhattan bank director and SMOM Robert W. Flowerree with close ties to Loyola U. in New Orleans...... ....... https://www.google.c...447b5129e47e464 Kup's Chicago books.google.com Irv Kupcinet - 1962 - 286 pages - Snippet view "I know nothing about mixing concrete." "Maybe not," said Crown. "But without being a cook you've •done an excellent job of running the Pump Room." Yielding to Crown's persuasion, Hoy began a new career at the age of forty- six, .. The Progressive: Volume 35 books.google.com 1971 - Snippet view Many of them took the stand in behalf of Mr. Hoy's good character, including Lester Crown, president of Material ... Irv Kupcinet, columnist and television talk show moderator, and top executives of Chicago and Los Angeles banks. .. https://www.google.c...80&bih=781&bs=1 Who's who in United States politics and American political almanac books.google.com 1963 - Snippet view HOY, Patrick Henry, corp. exec; b. Mpls., Mar. 3, 1914; s. Patrick H. and Mary (Walsh) H.; student U. Minn., 1933-35; m. Betty Bergman, July 1, 1944; children — Patrick Kevin, Christopher Peter, Timothy Hoy. Sales mgr. Commander Larabee Milling Co., Mpls., 1930-40; vp, gen. mgr. Amber Mills, 1940-43; exec. asst. to près. Hotel Sherman, 1946-49, became exec, vp, gen. mgr., 1949, also dir.; exec. asst. to près. Hotels Ambassador, Chicago, 1946-49; became vp Ambassador East, Inc. 1949; près. Hotel Sherman, Inc., and Ambassador East, Inc., Chgo., 1955-60; près. Materials Service Dlv. Gen. Dynamics Corp., Chgo., i960 — , sr. vp parent со., I960 — ; dir. 111. Capital Investment Corp., Ins. City Ufe Co.. United Equity Corp.. Marina City Bank Chgo., Am. City Bank of Los ... http://www.maryferre...523&relPageId=7 Late February, 1963: Sid Korshak is instructed to contact Pat Hoy, General Dynamics V.P. to contact the Hilton and instruct employees there not to cooperate with the investigation.: (/quote) I'm certainly no apologist for the CIA, but I think you'll agree it was not certain lawyers and judges finest moments, and you have to wonder why these men of the law made details like the following, their legacies? http://www.maryferre...88&relPageId=70 http://farm7.static....9ecc336e2_b.jpg http://www.maryferre...88&relPageId=71 ....It was also developed during the 1961 investigation that Joseph Robert Willens (Howard Willen's father) had, since 1958, resided next door to Tony Accardo, prominent Chicago hoodlum. ....Joseph Robert Willens admitted that Tony Accardo's residence is immediately south of his home in River Forest, Illinois,....and he hopes that the proximity of his residence with that of Accardo eould not cause anyone to believe that he approves of Accardo or any of his associates. Albert E. Jenner : http://en.wikipedia....ner#Controversy http://en.wikipedia....iki/Henry_Crown and aarc-fbi504-02_0032_0013 http://www.maryferre...sPageId=1454518 Record Number: 124-10204-10064 on 04/10/65 Gus Alex and his paramour, Suzanne Fueger, discussed a forthcoming vacation and the fact that the reservations had been made with "VIP Service" by PAT HOY for 4/30/65 or 5/1/65. The location of this vacation was not known. It is noted that HOY is head of Material Service Corporation, the largest supplier..... and a division of General Dynamics. Hoy is extremely socially and politically prominent in the Chicago area.. Tom Clark: aarc-fbi590-10_0006_0011 :..."It would appear Tom Clark provided favorable treatment to the hoodlum element....." http://educationforu...ndpost&p=180071 Roemer, William F. (1995). Accardo: the genuine godfather - Page 104. D.I. Fine NY. http://www.maryferre...977&relPageId=8 http://www.maryferre...977&relPageId=9 JAMES DOHERTY (April 11, 1947). "PAROLE PROBERS TO ASK QUIZ OF TEXAS LAWYER". The Chicago Tribune. Earl Warren: Virginia Warren Daly dies at 80; popular socialite in New York and ... http://articles.lati...ia-warren-daly6 Mar 6, 2009 – Rarely quoted in the news media, Mrs. Daly enjoyed traveling the world with hotel magnate Conrad "Connie" Hilton, her daughter said. http://en.wikipedia....658#Controversy...Earl Warren and his family were close friends of Henry Crown's investment partner, Conrad Hilton, and Warren's daughter, Virginia was formerly involved in a close relationship with Conrad Hilton.[55][56][57][58] The year following the publication of the Warren Report, Earl Warren selected[59] as his Supreme Court law clerk, the son of Paul Ziffren,[60]former California state Democratic party chairman, forced to resign after allegations of Ziffren's organized crime connections were leveled by Earl Warren's friend,[61] Senator William F. Knowland.[62][63][64][65] "One of the things that was embarrassing and got national coverage was the Reader's Digest article of July, 1960. It was written by Lester Velie and is called, "Paul Ziffren, The Democrats' Man of Mystery." (The author sets forth a very detailed account of "Ziffren 's connections with the underworld and gambling figures of the period,") "[66] http://www.maryferre...89&relPageId=33 2/26/62 FBN at LA, Calif, made available information to the effect that at the current time, Paul Ziffren was paying the rent on the apartment occupied by Linda Collings, the girl friend of Sam Giancana, of Chicago. http://www.maryferre...89&relPageId=29 ...LA-T7 advised that as a result of his particular study, he came to the conclusion that three separate and well defined groups had been systematically investing millions of dollars into California real estate and that in each of the three groups concerned, there were men participating who were directly linked to organized crime, principally the remnants of the AL CAPONE organization. LA-T7 indicated that Ziffren appeared to be involved in each of the investment groups and appeared to be the directing force of each of these operations. The lawyers and judges, from the ones who worked for Gen. Dyn., Cravath, Time-Life, Henry Crown, to the ones, in a number of cases, the same ones, who served on/worked for the Defense Department, the Warren Commission, and who directed the purchase and the concealment of the Zapruder film, showed not the slightest concern for professional ethics or of avoiding the appearance of impropriety. They obstructed justice to the point that your theory is not even as good as mine. I can present a well supported circumstantial case. It doesn't even matter much if I believe in it, it is damning. (quote name='Tom Scully' timestamp='1330396074' post='247479') Bill, here is the April 22, 1960 WSJ reporting of Pace's appointment to Time's board, among other changes: The changes at Time, Inc. announced in April, 1960 were the final, major management changes during the rest of Luce's lifetime: NY Times 06 March, 1967 : (/quote) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Wengler Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Here is a list that i made of who could behind the assassination i will try to go into more detail on why these people may have done it. 1 The head of ZR/Rifle project William Harvey he would recruit the assassination team and their backups. 2 Mafia don Carlos Marcello provided the funding 3 Either the Hunts or Clinton Murchison because Texas was their playground and both hated Kennedy. 4 David Phillips help in framing Oswald 5 James Jesus Angleton again false info on Oswald 6 E. Howard Hunt says he was involved 7 David Sánchez Morales work with Harvey 8 Need help from some agents in the FBI(Hoover) 9 Military Curtis LeMay hated Kennedy with a passion would like to see him gone anything about military went though him. 10 Persons in the Dallas police force recruited by the Hunts or Murchison. 11 Ed Lansdale Military voice in Dallas 12 Allen Dulles controlled all info in dealings about the CIA 13 George de Mohrenschildt 1 William Harvey Did not like to policy that the Kennedy's were taking after the Bay of Pigs towards Castro. Stopping the assassinations attempts on his like. He saw this as a slap in the face of the anti-castro cubans. He recruited the assassination team and their backups because he was the head of ZR/Rifle project he knew who he cold trust on this 2 Carlos Marcello How RFK had him deported in the middle of the night and had to sneak back into the country. This was a great slap in the face which called for payback also had the money to carry it off 3 The Hunts or Clinton Murchison both men were ultra right conservative raciest who did not like Kennedy's policies on civil rights they saw this is destroying the American way of life. 4 David Phillips aka Maurice Bishop was chief of all operations in the Western hemisphere was involved in Alpha 66 also was in Mexico when Oswald was there. He may have been one of the people controlling Oswald. 5 James Jesus Angleton Could had knowledge of Oswald more lattter on him and give false info when needed 6 E. Howard Hunt said was in on the assassination. 7 David Sánchez Morales Ran the Jim-Wave station also was a part of ZR/Rifle project. Hated the Kennedy Brothers with a passion because of the failed Bay of Pigs plot. 8 Curtis LeMay hated Kennedy because Lemay could not go in and bomb cuba saw Kennedy Weak and soft on communism. Which LeMay saw as betraying the american way of like for this he had to go. 9 Hoover Also hated the Kennedys because thier stance on civil rights which was a grave front to him and he thought if Kennedy was reelected he would be gone from the FBI. 10 Edward Geary Lansdale was part of "Operation Mongoose could have been either the military or the cia man in dallas. 11 Dallas Police force recruited by the Hunts or Murchison same mind set as them on hand to make sure things went right in the assassination. Like helping shooters get away and to distract any witines who may have sceen something. 12 Allen Dulles also was fired by JFK he had to coverup any conection to the CIA at all coast 13 George de Mohrenschildt maybe low level cia agent who's duty was to act as Oswald's handler for his time in dallas to guide him in a certian way to make Oswald look like the assassin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Knight Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 If you ask, "Cui bono?", or, "Who benefits?" from the JFK assassination...it depends on your horizon. LBJ, in the short horizon...or Nixon on the longer view, as far as political benificiaries. Don Reynolds had all but eliminated LBJ's horizon on November 22, 1963...until JFK died. And Nixon was politically washed up when Pat Brown handed him his...errrr...hat, in 1962. While I think that both Nixon and LBJ got their political lives resuscitated on November 22, 1963, I don't believe that either was the mastermind. If the Military-Industrial Complex had gotten their way, Oswald would've been directly linked to Cuba and the MIC would've gone from Cold War to hot just 90 miles offshore...IF the war would've stayed there. Instead, LBJ made a song-and-dance man out of Earl Warren, and Warren and Company got the MIC to shuffle off to Cam Ranh Bay...9,000 miles offshore, with little threat of nuclear retaliation. LBJ took care of his benefactors, but in the end the American people turned on him. The Mafia wasn't generally oriented towards snipers; "up-close-and-personal" was more their style [Ruby killing Oswald fits this pattern]. So I doubt the Mafia had a role in the assassination, until it was time to take Oswald out of the picture. Interesting that Marcello's man David Ferrie said that, after the assassination he and his pals came to Texas and went skating...and in another thread just today, I read that one of Jack Ruby's favorite sports was....skating. I think it's possible that Ferrie took Marcello's skate key and tightened the screws on Ruby. But prior to the assassination, I don't see a lot of evidence of Mafia involvement. J. Edna Hoover may or may not have had foreknowledge. But after the assassination, he certainly made the evidence fit the story. Hoover was facing mandatory in 1965 at age 70, and considering how he and the Kennedys got along, they weren't very likely to recommend the rules be waived so Hoover could stay. Hoover and LBJ were blackmailers of the same order, and LBJ knew that as long as he let Hoover stay on, Hoover would share information with him under-the-table. Just before Hoover testifir=ed before the Warren Commission, LBJ appointed Hoover FBI Director for life. And Nixon was just as sleazy as LBJ and Hoover, so Hoover held his job until he died in 1972. I believe that LBJ and Nixon were merely tools of those who actually held the reins of power...whomever they may be. In fact, I believe that Nixon may have committed political suicide by bringing up "the Bay of Pigs thing," thinking that HE held all the aces; after that, his presidency was left dangling in in the wind, and team player Gerald Ford--the ONLY President never to have been elected to either the presidency or vice-presidency, as well as the FBI snitch on the Warren Commission--did what he was told and got to grab the brass ring for awhile. There were a couple of lame "assassination attempts" against Ford, but I would argue that they were ALLOWED to happen in order to ensure that Ford never questioned his orders. So who had the greatest motive to kill Kennedy? LBJ had his own political career as a motive. Nixon had revenge against the man who left him a politically broken man as a motive. BUT motive doesn't always equal murder. It also takes means...and in this case, I would suggest that it took financial means as well as physical means to commit the crime. Financial means could be found in the right-wing extremists. Financial means [and motive] could be found in the Mafia. Financial means might well have also come from the CIA budget, either directly or indirectly. Since I don't see evidence of direct Mafia involvement in the JFK shooting, and the Mafia isn't known for hiring outside contractors for a hit, I really believe that it was more or less coincidental that the Mafia's desire for revenge against Kennedy was fulfilled by a non-Mafia shooter. As far as an assassination weapon, I find it unusual that a THINKING plotter would've used a rifle in an obscure caliber like 6.5mm. This killing occurred in Texas, and Texans have a reputation as hunters. A 6.5mm is NOT a common hunting caliber, and it wasn't a common caliber in 1963, either. It would have made more sense, had the sniper had a getaway plan, to have used a common hunting rifle in a caliber such as 30.06 [pronounced "thirty OUGHT six," not "thirty ODD six"; the 30.06 was introduces as a military standard in 1906--"nineteen ought six"-- hence the name] or a .30-30 [.30 caliber, which also originally used a 30 grain smokeless powder charg in its early days]. The use of a .30-06 or a .30-30 would have identified hundreds, if not THOUSANDS, of rifles all across Texas as possible murder weapons. Since the murder weapon was identified as a 6.5mm Mannlicher-Carcano, even if the rifle hadn't been discovered in the TSBD, the ballistics would've pointed to a very narrow range of suspects. And perhaps that was the point of the 6.5mm Carcano...if the rifle itself hadn't been found, ballistics would've linked back to a smaller pool of suspect rifles to begin with. That might've been the ultimate way to link Oswald to the crime, even if he never fired a shot. Just some ideas to think on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Andrews Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 (edited) There were a couple of lame "assassination attempts" against Ford, but I would argue that they were ALLOWED to happen in order to ensure that Ford never questioned his orders. Well, the also-unelected, and unelectable, Nelson Rockefeller was V-P, and the Nixon and Ford admins were packed with Rockefeller minions (increasingly so from the second Nixon term). So, I argue that the assassination attempts weren't dodges. Despite the poor quality of the patsies, they would have had back-up. Squeaky Fromme - in reputation, the equivalent of a female Oswald. Her automatic pistol was unchambered? Such errata can be corrected in historical editing, should the plan succeed. Sara Jane Moore packed a nice, dependable .38 revolver, and actually got off a shot. She was stopped by an ex-marine in the crowd. Moore, by virtue of being a second female assassin, carried high lone-nut credentials as a "copycat" killer. Why else go for it twice in three weeks? Was Ford that dense that he didn't catch on the first time? One can argue that both attempts were "foiled" by ringers in the Secret Service or the crowd. But the answer to "who would profit?" is self-evident. What indications were there that Ford showed any threat of diverging from the plans of those who ushered him into the two highest executive offices? The Fromme-Moore blueprint was followed in the Reagan assassination attempt, with a similar candidate for ultimate benefit waiting in the wings. Edited August 1, 2012 by David Andrews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Robert Morrow Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 Who had the greatest motive to have JFK removed from office? Who had the greatest reward to risk ratio? That is easy. LYNDON JOHNSON was in the greatest danger because he was about to be politically executed and personally destroyed by Robert Kennedy - that was within days of occurring with a LIFE Magazine expose due to go to the presses on Friday, November 29, 1963, with an issue date of December 6th. So LBJ had the greatest motive to murder JFK. And he certainly had the chops to do it; LBJ had been murdering folks for a long time in Texas. Because LYNDON JOHNSON himself would become president upon JFK's death, he would be perfectly placed to orchestrate his murder of his predecessor. So that is a high reward, low risk proposition to murder JFK from the "vantage point" of Lyndon Johnson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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