Dean Hagerman

Thats possible, but I think that crime and lawlessness would be at an all time high and america would want a drastic change So even if RFK was not assassinated and ran in 68 Wallace would have still won

If JFK would have lived and been re-elected it is my opinion that in the 1968 election George Wallace and Curtis LeMay would have been elected president and VP

Listen to Cinque! Now Lovelady is not stocky but fat! He compares Lovelady and Oswald to Laruel and Hardy! This is insanity

Seriously?! So right before the HSCA and Groden want to photograph Lovelady later on in life do you think Lovelady himself said I need to look more like Doorman I better lose some weight fast! Or do you think he was forced to lose weight by whoever was behind the cover-up? Either way thats the most laughable theory I have ever heard And to answer your question I have looked at these pictures years and years ago when I came to the conclusion that it was Lovelady The way that Lovelady is standing with his left shoulder angled back makes him look thinner, but even without the way he is standing Doorman and Lovelady have the same build anyways Doorman and Lovelady are one in the same in my opinion

I don't know who is in the doorway. But, I don't like the argument being advanced by Cinque. Oh, and by the way, Jim knows me well. I weigh almost 180 lb. @ 5'10" tall in the attached picture. For reference purposes, my daughter weighs about 110 lb. @ 5'4" tall. Does that look "stocky" to you? Not at all Greg, 5'10 180lbs is perfectly avarage for an adult male Lovelady while shorter then Greg is still 10 lbs lighter To say Lovelady is stocky/chunky is insane Thanks for helping my post with your picture Greg

Lovelady was not that stocky/chunky You guys are making it out like Lovelady weighed 300lbs He was not thin, and he was not stocky, I would say his build is average, just like the man in the doorway That man is Billy Lovelady

I dont care if JFK cheated on his wife. im sure that he did That may make him a lousy husband, but he was still a great man and president The problem I have with all this JFK was a sex addict talk is that it will never bring us closer to the truth about why and how JFK was assassinated There is no way that JFKs affairs with other woman is what got him killed

Great post David I agree with you 100%

Very nice Duncan

Dont worry your post will not fool us We all know Jimmy D is a tireless reseacher who wants the truth Reading your rambling post made my head hurt, how can I get that 3 minutes of my life back?

Well first of all Craig is not my "pal" we disagree on almost everything, however I respect Craig and his photographic skills So when I see something that Craig does that jumps out at me and says thats a great point and I agree with him then I will say it and back him up In this thread what he posted was a great example, for you to ignore that means you are just lying to yourself Did Jim happen to tell you that I am an alterationist and have backed Jim and his studies that I agree with up for years? It just so happens that on the subject of Lovelady Craig is correct and you and Jim are wrong It has nothing to do with whos team who is on or who believes in what, when it comes to the man in the doorway it is without question Lovelady

Those are great examples Craig, it shows perfectly how a pocket can blend right in I am beside myself right now, there is so much evidence thats its Lovelady I have known for 20+ years that it was Lovelady, all that this thread has done has drove that point home in my head even more

Its Lovelady!!!!!!

This is what I believe

This picture says it all How anybody can look at this picture, then look at Altgens and say that Lovelady was NOT the man in the doorway is beyond me It was Lovelady Besides LHO was in the 2nd floor lunchroom during the assassination IMO

That is weird, I read the post you made and was looking into the Dave Perry link that you posted When I came back to reply to your post it was gone I hope it was not deleted by a mod, there was nothing in that post that was against any rules

The part that makes me think Stone shot the Zapruder recreation is because it shows JFK being thrown forward by the back wound Listen to the movie and watch that scene all the way through Costner says that this shot hit JFK in the back driving him forward and the recreation shows him being thrown forward dramaticly Right after that we see real Zappy footage of JFK slowly moving forward Why would Stone look for footage of JFK being thrown forward when he was hit in the back (which im sure dose not exsist, as I have seen just about every show and movie with a recreation) instead of just making his own footage? Some of the bystanders are correct, but most in the background seem to be running or milling around Its possible Stone shot this footage as an afterthought or in one of the run thoughs of the limo in Dealey Plaza told the JFK actor to move forward as if he had been shot Im positive Stone shot that footage, it fits what Costner is explaining at that moment in the film

Dean, I've got a reasonable collection of my own going on - it takes up too much space according to my wife LOL. One book missing from my collection that's impossible to find at a good price is Bloody Treason by Noel Twyman. Ray Marcus' book is also very difficult to track down so thanks for that, Barry! As an FYI to folks, you can get Bloody Treason for a very reasonable $9.99 on Kindle at Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Bloody-Treason-Assassination-Kennedy-ebook/dp/B0035G09FW/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1327376173&sr=1-1 Yes, I agree Bloody Treason is a fabulous book. Also, thanks, Barry. "Texas in the Morning" by Madeleine Duncan Brown is another important, yet very hard to find book by a key mistress of Lyndon Johnson. I get asked often by people on how they can get a cheaper copy than the used ones of Amazon (last time I checked going for $80) Robert I am reading "Texas in the Morning" right now as we speak (thanks again Barry) I must say I have wanted to buy this book many times, and I knew it was rare and expensive but I was going to buy it anyway, someday Well now im reading it thanks to Barry and I must say that so far it is a great book! I am very much enjoying it, and getting a personal look into Lyndon Johnson a well Unlike Judyth Baker I believe Madeleine Brown 100% When I am done I will post my thoughts Martin I hope you were able to download "Bloody Treason" before it was deleted

Dean, I've got a reasonable collection of my own going on - it takes up too much space according to my wife LOL. One book missing from my collection that's impossible to find at a good price is Bloody Treason by Noel Twyman. Ray Marcus' book is also very difficult to track down so thanks for that, Barry! Of course "B;oody Treason" is my favorite book on the assassination, you would love it Martin, its an amazing read I bought "Bloody Treason" from an old bookstore in Redding back in 1997 when it came out. The owner ws an older man who had to order it for me I still remember him calling my house and leaving a message for me that the book had arrived and I could come get it I still have it in mint condition, and I am so glad I bought it when it came out. This bookstore owner did the same thing for me with "The Killing of a President" and "The Search for LHO" both books by Robert Groden The other books I bought from him in the late 80s and early 90s were released and he had them stocked like Crossfire, High Treason, On the Trail of the Assassins that I was able to just walk in and buy He was always amazed that a teenager wanted to buy every book that was released on the assassination, he was even more amazd when I told him that I had most of the books on the assassination fron the 60s and 70s handed down from my gramps As a teenager I had a collection that I would put up aganist almost any long time researcher, I read so much as a kid that when I close my eyes now all I see is printed words

Thank you very much Barry I just downloaded and saved to my computer Ray Marcus book "The Bastard Bullet" I am a huge book collector and I own almost all of the old original books on the assassination, all of Jones, Weisberg, Cutler, as well as the mainstreem books, Lane, Thompson, Garrison But I never got my hands on Rays book, some day I will purchase a copy, but for now this is great because I can read it Thanks again

Oliver Stone: JFK The Movie. If we are taking about the "Aftermath fragment" I don't think so...it appears IN Stones movie, that not automatically means, that he made it. It could be original footage...I regard the origin of the mystery frames and the aftermath fragment as an still unanswered question. KK IF this are Stone recreations--- Why the hell this south side agent, in both, the myst. frames AND the aftermath fragment. That makes no sense to me. (An Idea out of the blue by Stone/Groden?: Oh lets see there is to much green in the Frames let's put some ladies and an agent on the lawn of Dealy plaza...LOL KK You need to listen to the movie! Costner is saying how the Policeman smelled gunpowder and rushed acrossthe street to the knoll Thats what this scene is showing, thats the reason that Stone recorded it, to show the policeman running across the street Its not real footage! Just look at the people in the scene compared to the people in real footage! Remember the blond actress that was playing a Jean Hill composit? Look at her in the red coat with blond hair! Now look at all the rest of the real footage of the real Jean Hill with brown/dark hair! This is so simple, I cant believe you think this is not footage shot by Stone He used old cameras and during editing him and his editors made the film look old (remember they won an Acadamy Award for film editing) Again all this is is a scene shot by Stone to show the policeman running across the street Watch the movie again and listen What kills me is back in 1991 as a teenager I knew the films and photos like the back of my hand and I remember pickingout all of the footage that was shot by Stone compared to the real footage Your un-answered question is answered, if you still think it is real footage shot in Dealey Plaza that day then I dont know what to think about you and your reasons for thinking its real

Are you joking? If you are its not funny at all, in fact its very insulting And if your serious then its the funniest most insane thing I have ever read

Oliver Stone: JFK The Movie. Thank you Duncan!