JOACHIM JOESTEN How Kennedy Was...

[Michael Clark]

2 minutes ago, Paul Trejo said:

I agree with this -- and yet Jim Garrison lost the Clay Shaw trial.  

Even Jim Garrison's closest friends say that Jim was his worst enemy -- a very emotional man.

Dr. Jeff Caufield's take on Jim Garrison is interesting.   Caufield says that Jim Garrison began to investigate the Radical Right in Dallas, and got burned badly.  He kept hoping somebody in Dallas would rise up from the depths to help Garrison dig deeper into Dallas, but nobody did.  On the contrary -- there was only fire.

Jim Garrison gave us the best portrait of New Orleans in 1963 than anybody else did, or could have.  But what was needed to solve the JFK murder was an equally good portrait of Dallas in 1963.  Yet people were terrified to step forward.  Witnesses in Dallas who stepped up were regularly found dead the next day.

Even Deputy Roger Craig -- perhaps the most outspoken of them all -- was eventually beaten down to an apparent suicide after many years of cooperation with Penn Jones, Jr.

Jim Garrison almost solved the JFK case in 1968 -- and he would have solved it if he had more help from Dallas.  He got none. 

Most of the blows to Jim Garrison, however, came from the FBI.  J. Edgar Hoover had laid down the US Dogma of a "Lone Nut" Oswald, and Jim Garrison refused to accept it.  So the FBI rained down very hard on Jim Garrison.

This wasn't because J. Edgar Hoover was part of the JFK murder plot -- but Jim Garrison didn't know that.  It was because J. Edgar Hoover had figured out the whole plot on 11/22/1963 -- the players and everything -- but he refused to share this data with Jim Garrison or anybody except LBJ, Earl Warren and Allen Dulles.

Regards,
--Paul Trejo

Garrison had things traced to Dallas within days of the assassination due to the pistol whipping of Jack Martin by Bannister on 11-22. Garrison stood down in deference to the announcement of the formation of the Warren Comission.

[Paul Trejo]

Just now, Michael Clark said:

Garrison had things traced to Dallas within days of the assassination due to the pistol whipping of Jack Martin by Bannister on 11-22. Garrison stood down in deference to the announcement of the formation of the Warren Comission.

Michael,

Explain, please.   Bannister pistol-whipped Jack Martin in New Orleans.  They were both citizens of New Orleans.  They both worked in New Orleans.   How did Dallas figure into this?

Regards,
--Paul Trejo

[Michael Clark]

I'll dig up details, but IIRC, Martin told Garrison of the connection between Ferrie and the 11-22 Dallas hit.

[Michael Clark]

On 3/1/2013 at 0:04 PM, Paul Trejo said:

 

Along with Major Archibald E. Roberts, Walker began his Pro-Blue program the very first day that he arrived in Germany. He spent most of his time on this project, and he influenced thousands of young soldiers with the JBS doctrine -- similar to the doctrine of the late Senator Joseph McCarthy -- that the US Government was filled with Communists.

This treasonous talk, laughingly called Anticommunism, was really Anti-American. This is what Robert Welch and his followers had always wanted. They objected to WW2, because as they said, the USA joined the Communists to defeat Germany, while they should have supported Germany to defeat Communism.

While in Germany, Walker evidently increased his communication with the new German Anticommunists like Dr. Gerhard Frey, Hasso Thorsten and others, and they evidently impressed him very much. For example, only 18 hours after the JFK assassination, Walker called the Deutsche Nationalzeitung to boast that the same shooter who killed JFK (Lee Harvey Oswald) was the same shooter who shot at him on 10 April 1963.

This was several days before Marina Oswald announced this allegation to the FBI and the world. There is plenty of smoke there, I say.

Best regards,

--Paul Trejo

The FBI interviewed Martin on 11-25. Garrison became involved as the DA investigating the pistol whipping. My sources aren't showing when Garrison got the JFKA lead; still looking.

Bannister died n June 6th. Jack Martin's details and date of death are, for me, always difficult to dig-up.

 

from Spartacus....

"On 25th November, Martin was contacted by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. He told them that he thought Ferrie had hypnotized Oswald into assassinating Kennedy. The FBI considered Martin's evidence unreliable and decided not to investigate Banister and Ferrie.

This information eventually reached Jim Garrison, the district attorney of New Orleans. He interviewed Martin about these accusations. Martin claimed that during the summer of 1963 Banister and David Ferrie were involved in something very sinister with a group of Cuban exiles."

 

Edited March 8, 2017 by Michael Clark

[Paul Trejo]

3 hours ago, Michael Clark said:

The FBI interviewed Martin on 11-25. Garrison became involved as the DA investigating the pistol whipping. My sources aren't showing when Garrison got the JFKA lead; still looking.

Bannister died n June 6th. Jack Martin's details and date of death are, for me, always difficult to dig-up.

from Spartacus....

"On 25th November, Martin was contacted by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. He told them that he thought Ferrie had hypnotized Oswald into assassinating Kennedy. The FBI considered Martin's evidence unreliable and decided not to investigate Banister and Ferrie.

This information eventually reached Jim Garrison, the district attorney of New Orleans. He interviewed Martin about these accusations. Martin claimed that during the summer of 1963 Banister and David Ferrie were involved in something very sinister with a group of Cuban exiles."

Michael,

Yes, most of us are aware that Jim Garrison learned from Jack S. Martin almost everything he knew about the JFK assassination, including the 544 Camp Street linkage.

HOWEVER -- Jack S. Martin didn't name any Dallas people, any Dallas police, any Dallas officials, any Dallas LEADERS, according to Jim Garrison's superb and original CT book, On the Trail of the Assassins (1989).

That book is so great that it was used as the basis for Oliver Stone's movie, JFK (1991).

Yet the Dallas Connection was missing in that book, because it was missing from Jack S. Martin, and it was also missing from David Ferrie.  They knew all about the 544 Camp Street connections in New Orleans -- but that's all they knew.

The New Orleans people didn't kill JFK.   All they did was sheep-dip the Patsy.

The Dallas people killed JFK.   But Jim Garrison failed to get inside data on the Dallas people.

Garrison ended up with a feeble CIA-did-it CT, and almost all CTers to this very day are still spinning around that endless maze, going nowhere.

Jim Garrison, for all his greatness, failed to investigate General Walker.  Frank Church failed to investigate General Walker.  The HSCA failed to investigate General Walker.   

The whole world had to wait a full half-century for one man to investigate General Walker, namely, Dr. Jeffrey Caufield, in his amazing book, General Walker and the Murder of President Kennedy: the Extensive New Evidence of a Radical Right Conspiracy (2015).

To tie this back to Joachim Joesten and his great book, HOW KENNEDY WAS KILLED (1967), we should focus on Joesten's claim that the Dallas Police, under the leadership of the Radical Right in Dallas, killed JFK.  

I say Joeston was right.   Joesten thought Garrison was close -- but this charge did not arise in Jim Garrison's trial of Clay Shaw.  By that time, Garrison was beat down to a feeble CIA-did-it CT.

Regards,
--Paul Trejo

Edited March 8, 2017 by Paul Trejo

[Michael Clark]

1 hour ago, Paul Trejo said:

Michael,

Yes, most of us are aware that Jim Garrison learned from Jack S. Martin almost everything he knew about the JFK assassination, including the 544 Camp Street linkage.

HOWEVER -- Jack S. Martin didn't name any Dallas people, any Dallas police, any Dallas officials, any Dallas LEADERS, according to Jim Garrison's superb and original CT book, On the Trail of the Assassins (1989).

That book is so great that it was used as the basis for Oliver Stone's movie, JFK (1991).

Yet the Dallas Connection was missing in that book, because it was missing from Jack S. Martin, and it was also missing from David Ferrie.  They knew all about the 544 Camp Street connections in New Orleans -- but that's all they knew.

The New Orleans people didn't kill JFK.   All they did was sheep-dip the Patsy.

The Dallas people killed JFK.   But Jim Garrison failed to get inside data on the Dallas people.

Garrison ended up with a feeble CIA-did-it CT, and almost all CTers to this very day are still spinning around that endless maze, going nowhere.

Jim Garrison, for all his greatness, failed to investigate General Walker.  Frank Church failed to investigate General Walker.  The HSCA failed to investigate General Walker.   

The whole world had to wait a full half-century for one man to investigate General Walker, namely, Dr. Jeffrey Caufield, in his amazing book, General Walker and the Murder of President Kennedy: the Extensive New Evidence of a Radical Right Conspiracy (2015).

To tie this back to Joachim Joesten and his great book, HOW KENNEDY WAS KILLED (1967), we should focus on Joesten's claim that the Dallas Police, under the leadership of the Radical Right in Dallas, killed JFK.  

I say Joeston was right.   Joesten thought Garrison was close -- but this charge did not arise in Jim Garrison's trial of Clay Shaw.  By that time, Garrison was beat down to a feeble CIA-did-it CT.

Regards,
--Paul Trejo

Paul Trejo wrote: "Jim Garrison learned from Jack S. Martin almost everything he knew about the JFK assassination".

Spartacus: "On 25th November, Martin was contacted by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. He told them that he thought Ferrie had hypnotized Oswald into assassinating Kennedy."

I see no reason why Martin would have told the FBI this, but would not tell Garrison. Where the "hypnosis" thing comes from, I don't know; but Martin knew of the LHO connection to Dallas hit on JFK. Bannister and his partner, Carlos Marcello are implicated by all this, IMO.

Cheers,

Michael

[Paul Trejo]

4 minutes ago, Michael Clark said:

Paul Trejo wrote: "Jim Garrison learned from Jack S. Martin almost everything he knew about the JFK assassination".

Spartacus: "On 25th November, Martin was contacted by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. He told them that he thought Ferrie had hypnotized Oswald into assassinating Kennedy."

I see no reason why Martin would have told the FBI this, but would not tell Garrison. Where the "hypnosis" thing comes from, I don't know; but Martin knew of the LHO connection to Dallas hit on JFK. Bannister and his partner, Carlos Marcello are implicated by all this, IMO.

Cheers,

Michael

Michael,

Jim Garrison paints a curious portrait of David Ferrie and Jack S. Martin.  

They were very close, yet they hated each other.   Actually, it was a competition.

They were nobodies -- failed at their careers, and drunkards. 

But they believed they were special.  Both of them were adept at hypnosis.  Both knew Latin.  Both knew the Bible very well.

They were both Ordained Ministers of some mail-order Church, and they both took it very seriously. 

They claimed to be close to God.  But they also claimed that the other was in cahoots with the Devil.

OK, face it, both of these guys were nutballs.  This is why the FBI decided to ignore them both.

Yet Jim Garrison would not ignore them.  Garrison didn't believe everything they said -- but Garrison would cherry-pick facts here and there, and he found wonderful things.

It was his patience with Jack S. Martin that taught Jim Garrison all about 544 Camp Street, and the activities there with Lee Harvey Oswald from May to August 1963.

Jack Martin pointed out the address, 544 Camp Street, on Lee Harvey Oswald's FPCC leaflets that he handed out on Canal Street.

New Orleans was so busted.  But Dallas got away scot free.

Regards,
--Paul Trejo