Antonio Veciana is STILL ALIVE! Scott Kaiser just spoke to his corpse

[Blair Dobson]

Chris- no problem; understandable; Paul- not sure. He told me to post here (my facebook is open, so you can read what he wrote); Blair- we can only do what we can do. Keep in mind, hypothetically saying, whop is to say that the government wouldn't just whitewash this all away as a "conspiracy theory"?

exactly, or the usual LN nutfarmers with unlimited facetime on fox..

That said, keep up the good work and fight the good fight.. at least more people are converted to thinking about things than just accepting the "dogma" of the LN'rs...

question, do LN'rs tell their kids that there really IS a Santa Claus?

Edited December 2, 2013 by Blair Dobson

[Vince Palamara]

_{This information would be good for Larry Hancock for Nexus II:}

_{From Scott Kaiser:}

<sub>"It is known that Lee Harvey Oswald was in contact with Cuban diplomats in Havana 's embassy in Mexico City a few weeks before the assassination of President John F. Kennedy in Dallas in 1963.

Less well known is the report that Oswald met with Cuban diplomats in Los Angeles four years earlier, in 1959 , the year Fidel Castro came to power in the island.

If these contacts played a role in the murder is not known. But a former senior CIA officer specializing in Cuban affairs , said that the contacts suggest that Oswald may well have been in contact with Cuban intelligence before the events of November 22, 1963 .

The conclusions of Brian Latell , contained in a new paperback edition of his book in 2012, Castro 's Secrets , suggest that if Oswald had contact with Cuban intelligence , raises the possibility that Castro acted first , killing Kennedy before the government States could carry out its own plan to eliminate the Cuban leader.

" The possibility that the Cuban government has the responsibility for the death of Kennedy has never been adequately investigated ," Latell said in an interview with El Nuevo Herald. " Fidel Castro is now known , lied when one day after the assassination , Oswald said that ' we have never heard of him in our lives ' . In fact, Cuban intelligence , by then, had accumulated a detailed dossier on the murderer . "

Half a century after the assassination , multiply theories about who was responsible : Castro , exile, or mob enemies within the U.S. government itself .

Antonio Veciana , an anti-Castro activist who said he saw Oswald with his CIA contact in Dallas weeks before the murder , said in an interview that Kennedy was the victim of a plot by senior military and intelligence officials . Veciana said these officials were angered by the failure of the Bay of Pigs , the negotiations with the Soviet Union ended the missile crisis and the perception that Kennedy sought to improve relations with Cuba .

" The assassination of Kennedy ," Veciana told El Nuevo Herald, "was a coup ."

Two diametrically opposed theories have emerged about who was responsible for the murder : Castro or the Cuban exiles . If Castro was responsible , was to preempt the CIA plans to assassinate him. Exiles If they did, then it was in retaliation for the failure of the Bay of Pigs.

exiles

The new 1998 edition of Not in Your Lifetime, author Anthony Summers claims to have achieved the first " credible " identification of a gunman, previously known , he could have shot Kennedy in Dallas : the anti-Castro militant Herminio Diaz.

Summers noted that Diaz had worked for the mob boss Santo Trafficante , who had pre-Castro Cuba casinos and guarding resentment by the Kennedy administration actions against organized crime.

Diaz died during an attack on Cuba in 1966, but before his death revealed his role in the murder of his activist partner , Tony Cuesta, according Summers.</sub>

<sub>Just a reminder, and please make note of this and where you heard it from....

Richard Poyle who lived directly across the hall from Santo Trafficante, said in his own admission that "I have a lot of information", not much is found on Poyle at the MFF.

Poyle was also a working associate of my father who didn't like my father because my father wanted to do what was right, and Poyle worked for the CIA.

Poyle knew about the photo's my father stole, Poyle along with Frank Sturgis picked my father up for work on the day of my father's death.

Days after Kennedy's assassination. PBRUMEN was the CIA Cryptonym for Cuba. So that document refers to Cuban intel service and Fortson, and here we go Pawley enters the picture.

https://www.maryferrell.org/.../archive/viewer/showDoc.do...

Pawley, Martino and Fortson.

https://www.maryferrell.org/.../archive/viewer/showDoc.do...

Fortson involvement at Mexico Embassy ? Irving Richard Poyle was handled by Oliver E. Fortson, at least some of the time including just after the JFK Assassination. This fits with Fortsons other activities.

I wonder, do you suppose anyone is listening to me now?</sub>

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Edited December 2, 2013 by Vince Palamara

[Blair Dobson]

this is starting to get into "my dad knew this guy" territory...along with "oh and click here to buy my book!"

I've read this three times...can someone truncate and perhaps translate or explain what any of this has to do with Veciana?

Frank Turgid Sturgis Killed his dad? what exactly am I reading here?

thanks in advance...

[Larry Hancock]

Blair, I can sympathize, I've been working in all these areas for a good decade now and it makes my head spin.

Basically from my view there are at least three very separate threads going on here.

1) One has to do with Phillip's activities with Veciana, which began in 1960 in Cuba and involved multiple Castro assassination attempts, none of which has ever been officially admitted by the CIA and all of which were stonewalled during both the Church Committee and HSCA inquires. That is a story in itself and a nasty one if Veciana were to sign an affidavit that could be taken to the CIA for documents disclosure. It ranges as far as 1971 in Chile.

2) Equally importantly Biship/Phillips actively helped fund, organize and get publicity for Alpha 66 via Veciana - while Alpha 66 was conducting attacks on Russian targets in Cuba in direct opposition to US

policy and presidential directives to shut down such things - this has the potential of exposing rogue CIA action during the Kennedy Administration that would be explosive - at least to the history of the period.

3) Finally you have the Veciana observation of somebody who looks identical to Oswald with Phillips in Dallas. That could go off in lots of directions, at a minimum it would corroborate a lot of new information turning up about the extent to which Oswald was under CIA observation and even direction in Mexico City. That would expose a massive coverup somewhere inside the Agency during the WC and HSCA investigations.

-- hope that helps, still makes tends to give me a headache.. Larry

Edited December 2, 2013 by Larry Hancock

[Greg Burnham]

Vince,

Scott Kaiser used to post here over a year ago. He seemed to be on a mission to track down information relating to his father's work.

Good for him. However, we often interpreted evidence quite differently.

My 2013 COPA presentation will eventually be online at YouTube. Part Two: "Sabotage At the Bay of Pigs" speaks directly to the

unlikelihood that Anti-Castro Cubans were motivated to participate in the assassination. Beyond lack of motivation they also sorely

lacked both means and opportunity. I will be on Black Op Radio to discuss this evidence soon, probably this Thursday. Check the

schedule and tune in...

Edited December 2, 2013 by Greg Burnham

[Vince Palamara]

sounds good- thanks for the tip!

[Blair Dobson]

Blair, I can sympathize, I've been working in all these areas for a good decade now and it makes my head spin.

-- hope that helps, still makes tends to give me a headache.. Larry

that makes sense...

i may have to ask you to translate again in the future..

thank you very much

[Blair Dobson]

I keep laughing at the title of this thread...

"Scott Kaiser just spoke to his corpse"

[John Simkin]

It might be worth watching this:

http://www.killingoswald.com/

[Terry Adams]

"Historically this is important on a number of levels..and it is very important today in terms of understanding "what" we are as a civilization...

What it says about the state of American democracy or western democracy in general is equally important.

I have read a lot on this board, and as much of a curmudgeon as I can be, I have to say it seems to be a gathering of some of the most level headed people and theories around..There are handful of folks here who have done some bloody amazing research. There are nuts too.

For me it's 90% solved and that's largely from what I've culled from here and read elsewhere, but it's this board that put a lot of the dots on the i's and crosses on t's so to speak...the 10% is the ephemera...

So as much as I can be a curmudgeon or a smartass, I do very much appreciate the work and the time that goes in and the commitment people have...

Just understand, I like to check in to make sure people aren't thinking there will ever be another official investigation...and that's ok..

This IS the investigation...and that is good enough".

Blair,

I am so glad to see someone write what you have today. There is too little recognition given to the people on this particular forum, and, without hesitation, I add it's founder, John Simkin! There is no other that comes close to the level of thorough research by the highly skilled intellectuals grouped here, especially the dotting of the i's and the crossing of the t's. So, my hat is off to my fellow members of the Education Forum. I might add that does include one Blair Dobson.

[Greg Burnham]

sounds good- thanks for the tip!

Greg Burnham on Black Op Radio discusses: Sabotage at the Bay of Pigs