A "lean"-to

[Thomas H. Purvis]

Previously, another important photograph was provided on this forum by, if recalled correctly, Robin Unger.

This photograph demonstrated clearly what is an anomoly of the Z-film which few (actually none that I am aware of) have taken into consideration.

To review this anomoly, it is best to begin with the Betzner photo, as it was what was previously available.

And, as good as it is, it still was from such a range and distance that the anomoly was only marginally detectable.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/MC15.htm

In this photograph, if one will look at the Stemmons freeway sign they will find that the top of the sign is not level with the other structures in Dealy Plaza.

Aditionally, it can be seen that the posts which hold this sign are also not directly vertical when compared against other known and fixed vertical objects in the background.

However, when one looks at the Z-film, it demonstrates that not only is the top of the sign in an almost level horizontal position, but the sign posts are now also in a virtually vertical position when compared with other structures in the background.

This represents quite an anomoly since the Betzer photo and the Zapruder photo are in fact virtually 180 degrees apart with each looking almost directly at the other.

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z206.jpg

The photograph which was posted that clearly demonstrates the "slant"/slope at which the Stemmons Freeway sign was installed as well as clearly demonstrating the non-vertical position of the sign posts, was the photo which showed all of the flowers laid out on the ground on the North side of Elm St.

It represents the best demonstration of the position in which the Stemmons Freeway sign was originally standing at the time of the assassination.

There are numerous other photographs which also demonstrate the extent at which the top of the Stemmons Freeway sign is not level with other level structures in Dealy Plaza, as well as the "leaning" of the sign posts.

The extent to which this is shown is directly associated with the angle at which the photograph was taken in regards to the direction of slope of the top of the sign and the sign posts.

Nevertheless, based on the position of Abraham Zapruder, he should have seen virtually the inverse of what Betzner and others saw, and irrelevant as to how much he may or may not have tilted his camera, the top of the sign as it appeared in his film should not have been virtually parallel and level with other level structures in the background and the left sign post (as Zapruder looked at the sign) should not have been in an almost perfectly vertical position when compared with other vertical items in the background of the film.

[Cliff Varnell]

Previously, another important photograph was provided on this forum by, if recalled correctly, Robin Unger.

This photograph demonstrated clearly what is an anomoly of the Z-film which few (actually none that I am aware of) have taken into consideration.

To review this anomoly, it is best to begin with the Betzner photo, as it was what was previously available.

And, as good as it is, it still was from such a range and distance that the anomoly was only marginally detectable.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/MC15.htm

In this photograph, if one will look at the Stemmons freeway sign they will find that the top of the sign is not level with the other structures in Dealy Plaza.

This isn't Betzner. This is Willis #5.

John Hunt did some good work rotating the photo to match the horizon line...

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/ngarchive/Willis.jpg

Aditionally, it can be seen that the posts which hold this sign are also not directly vertical when compared against other known and fixed vertical objects in the background.

However, when one looks at the Z-film, it demonstrates that not only is the top of the sign in an almost level horizontal position, but the sign posts are now also in a virtually vertical position when compared with other structures in the background.

This represents quite an anomoly since the Betzer photo and the Zapruder photo are in fact virtually 180 degrees apart with each looking almost directly at the other.

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z206.jpg

The photograph which was posted that clearly demonstrates the "slant"/slope at which the Stemmons Freeway sign was installed as well as clearly demonstrating the non-vertical position of the sign posts, was the photo which showed all of the flowers laid out on the ground on the North side of Elm St.

It represents the best demonstration of the position in which the Stemmons Freeway sign was originally standing at the time of the assassination.

There are numerous other photographs which also demonstrate the extent at which the top of the Stemmons Freeway sign is not level with other level structures in Dealy Plaza, as well as the "leaning" of the sign posts.

The extent to which this is shown is directly associated with the angle at which the photograph was taken in regards to the direction of slope of the top of the sign and the sign posts.

Nevertheless, based on the position of Abraham Zapruder, he should have seen virtually the inverse of what Betzner and others saw, and irrelevant as to how much he may or may not have tilted his camera, the top of the sign as it appeared in his film should not have been virtually parallel and level with other level structures in the background and the left sign post (as Zapruder looked at the sign) should not have been in an almost perfectly vertical position when compared with other vertical items in the background of the film.

[Jack White]

Jethro makes an interesting observation. I have always felt that the

Stemmons sign was not removed because of a bullet hit...BUT BECAUSE

IF LEFT IN PLACE IT WOULD SHOW THE FALSIFICATION OF PHOTOS.

Jack

[Robin Unger]

Bothun 4

[Thomas H. Purvis]

Jethro makes an interesting observation. I have always felt that the

Stemmons sign was not removed because of a bullet hit...BUT BECAUSE

IF LEFT IN PLACE IT WOULD SHOW THE FALSIFICATION OF PHOTOS.

Jack

Give yourself a pat Jack!

You got one correct!

[Thomas H. Purvis]

Perhaps the pertinent questions would be:

1. How does one go about getting from "A" (bottom drawing) to "B" (top drawing)?

2. What possible purpose could be achieved if the top of the sign were to be "leveled" in the film?

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z206.jpg

MR. Dolva?????

[John Dolva]

Tom, I'll give this serious study. A response may take some time as I've recently found myself busier with unrelated matters. But I will respond.

[Chris Davidson]

Bothun 4

Here's another one,

Not quite from the pedestal, but you get the idea.

Photographer unknown.

chris

[Thomas H. Purvis]

Considering my well established "position" on the subject of the assassination, the input regarding the "Lean" is appreciated.

Now that the basic parameters have been established:

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z212.jpg

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z213.jpg

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z214.jpg

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z215.jpg

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z216.jpg

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z217.jpg

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z218.jpg

Although I fully understand the phenomenal aspects of the Aurora Borealis,

Leaning "ghost images" which appear in film when the actual image does not lean, completely baffles my old cerebral function.

[Trygve V. Jensen]

The Stemmons sign is not the only thing that seems to be 'leaning' in the corresponding ghost images.

[Chris Davidson]

Considering my well established "position" on the subject of the assassination, the input regarding the "Lean" is appreciated.

Now that the basic parameters have been established:

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z212.jpg

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z213.jpg

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z214.jpg

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z215.jpg

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z216.jpg

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z217.jpg

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z218.jpg

Although I fully understand the phenomenal aspects of the Aurora Borealis,

Leaning "ghost images" which appear in film when the actual image does not lean, completely baffles my old cerebral function.

Thomas,

Be careful when dealing with the ghost images.

There are strange things that occur with them.

Here's another example when I was in Dealy Plaza filming with my B/H 414:

Main frame with the adjacent frames.

The ghost image is bleeding into the main frame at the bottom sprocket hole. (Arrows)

Then I copied and registered it, at the top of the main frame. (Arrows)

Three points I want to bring up:

1. The ghost image is the top of that building. The top of that building is NOT in any of my frames.

2. The angle of the ghost image does not appear to be the same angle as the building.

3. When I registered the ghost image to the top, I did NOT rotate it.

hope it makes sense,

chris

[Thomas H. Purvis]

Perhaps getting back to the topic name would be of help to someone.

Usually, one must know which way is actually "up" before they can determine the extent of leaning.

[Thomas H. Purvis]

Actually, this version is much better in providing the necessary information in working with the actual Z-film, as well as the WC re-enactment position.

[Chris Davidson]

Actually, this version is much better in providing the necessary information in working with the actual Z-film, as well as the WC re-enactment position.

Thomas,

Why the difference in the(County Records) roofline and the wall below.

The picture is a frame from a Robert Hughes movie.

thanks

chris

[Thomas H. Purvis]

Actually, this version is much better in providing the necessary information in working with the actual Z-film, as well as the WC re-enactment position.

Thomas,

Why the difference in the(County Records) roofline and the wall below.

The picture is a frame from a Robert Hughes movie.

thanks

chris

Although not directly related to the vertical alignment, the photo (Hughes movie) is taken from farther left than from the Memorial Photo.

This is evidenced by the concrete column location in relationship to the windown in the background building.

The primary thing which creates what you asked, is caused by the vertical plane of the camera's eye, along with the slight elevation difference between the pedastal on which Zapruder stood as compared with the flat walkway area of the Colonade.

Two photo's from the absolute exact same location and height can demonstrate a different background object alignment merely due to a slight change in the plane (horizontal or vertical) of the camera eye.

All that one has to do is close one eye and look at the alignment of two objects and then either turn the head right to left or up and down to demonstrate this.

The Camera lense operates as a "single eye".!