Trump on releasing the JFK records

6 hours ago, Keven Hofeling said:

 

RE: The origins of the post WWII SS in America and abroad...

https://www.facebook.com/groups/politicalassassinationsresearchgroup/posts/2442248799164508/

"The Devil is in the details. And once you begin to get in to the details of Operation Paperclip one is quickly forced to conclude that the version of the Operation Paperclip narrative which focuses on German rocket scientists is the sterilized version of the story, carefully crafted by the intelligence resources of the American power elite to obscure the genuinely scandalous elements of the story (or in other words, a "limited hangout"). "Operation Overcast", the twin operation of Paperclip, remains hidden in plain sight, and once you become familiar with the details and cast of characters and realize that the story of Operation Overcast is the story of the creation of the hydra-beast that President Kennedy was executed for attempting to dismantle, the sensitivity of this particular facet of the hidden history of the U.S. national security state becomes quite obvious. Attorney Daniel Sheehan does an excellent job presenting an overview of the story (beginning at 59m35s of the following video lecture) which is basically that the American oligarchs brokered a deal with Reinhardt Gehlen (the Third Reich Waffen SS anti-Soviet intelligence chief) by which an anti-communist special warfare academy would be created (and placed under the command of Major General Otto Skorzeny, former commander of the Waffen SS Special Forces) beginning in 1946 to train 100 men per year for placement in key positions in all allied intelligence agencies (especially the newly constituted CIA and Israeli Mossad). 1200 such key operatives were trained in said special warfare academy between 1946 and 1965, profoundly influencing the tactics and strategies of these intelligence agencies, from the use of torture and death squads, to the deployment of mercenary regime change forces such as Isis. Among the very interesting and particularly telling facts is that the key translators between the American oligarchs and Generals Gehlen and Skorzeny were Special Agents Henry Kissinger and Ted Shackley (future Director of Central Intelligence under HW Bush) of the Army Counterintelligence Corps. Harry Truman would be manipulated (much to his future regret) to authorize all of this to finance the new anti-Soviet intelligence network and its operations (events in which Charles Willoughby and Edward Landsdale [future primary conspirators in the JFK hit] would play central roles).

https://youtu.be/KeNQixRRUCo?si=PeXmztd7K9vuEpce&t=3576

 

 

Certainly there are those within the JFKA research community who agree with this scenario of the JFKA. 

And there is no denying the extensive use of Nazi assets by the postwar US intel complex. 

A version of this played out in Japan as well. The US intel use of WWII dictators and worse after WWII. 

One might assume the CIA-US intel community would not like documents released that would confirm a CIA-Nazi hit on JFK. 

I still lean towards a CIA-Miami-Station-Cuban exiles version of the JFKA...but the book is not closed. 

Is the answer inside the JFK Records?

Only one way to find out....

7 minutes ago, Benjamin Cole said:

Certainly there are those within the JFKA research community who agree with this scenario of the JFKA. 

And there is no denying the extensive use of Nazi assets by the postwar US intel complex. 

A version of this played out in Japan as well. The US intel use of WWII dictators and worse after WWII. 

One might assume the CIA-US intel community would not like documents released that would confirm a CIA-Nazi hit on JFK. 

I still lean towards a CIA-Miami-Station-Cuban exiles version of the JFKA...but the book is not closed. 

Is the answer inside the JFK Records?

Only one way to find out....

 

I agree with you about JMWAVE as being involved with the unit that carried out the assassination. I just think that Gladio was involved in the origins of these sorts of organizations and their operational methodologies (e.g., false flag operations, proxie armies, torture, assassination, etc.).

'PATHFINDER - PARTS 1 - 5 THE PLAN TO KILL CASTRO REDIRECTED TO JFK AT DALLAS'

William Kelly | JFKcountercoup | Saturday, December 22, 2018 | https://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com/2018/12/pathfinder-parts-1-5-plan-to-kill.html

https://www.facebook.com/groups/politicalassassinationsresearchgroup/posts/6051134211609264/

"...As Bill Turner put it, “the mechanism was in place” to kill Castro, and they just switched targets, and instead of shooting Castro they redirected their fire to JFK at Dealey Plaza...."

"...[W]e have now narrowed down the covert operational plans to kill Castro to a few – including Pathfinder that may have been the specific plan that was redirected to “snuff” JFK in Dallas. If it wasn't Pathfinder, it was one very much like it. Now we will soon know the names of the shooters – the five first-class Cuban mechanic-snipers who were paid and trained by the CIA to kill Castro but one or two of whom shot JFK in the head instead...."

"...“I took high powered rifles with scopes to Cuba,” Eugenio Martinez said, “and they weren’t going to be used to hunt rabbits.” “Chi Chi” Quintero was a shooter, said Wheaton, who also names five or six other Cubans who were on that team, that maritime crew of anti-Castro Cuban commandos who were paid and trained to kill Castro. But when that mission was scrubbed – “disapproved” by “higher authority,” and they learned of the JFK- Castro backchannel negotiations at the UN (from Henry Cabot Lodge), they redirected the Pathfinder target to JFK at Dealey Plaza. And considered themselves patriots for doing so...."

"...The U.S. Army Rangers are called Pathfinders, and two U.S. Army Ranger Captains - Bradley Ayers and Edward Roderick were assigned to the CIA by USMC General "Brut" Krulak to train the Cuban Commandos at JMWAVE. While Ayers trained the Cubans in small boat maneuvering at Pirate's Lair, Roderick trained the snipers at Point Mary, off Key Largo. The original anti-Castro Cuban Pathfinders were the best of the lot sent to Guatemala to train for the Bay of Pigs, and were commanded by US Marine Captain Carl Jenkins, whose specialty was infiltration and exfiltration of commandos while John "I.F" Harper trained the Cubans in explosives and sniper tactics...."

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SANTO TRAFFICANTE REVEALED MUCH IN CONFIDENCE TO HIS LAWYERS...

Listen to this video about Santo Trafficante confidentially providing the details about the origin of the S-Force to his legal counsel under the protection of attorney/client privilege. Trafficante did not do so to seek publicity or sell books. He only did so in the utmost confidentiality, expecting that it would never be divulged to anybody. Thus, the testimony is highly reliable. I've cued the video to the relevant segment for you.
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RE: THE S-FORCE

In 1960, once VP Richard Nixon came to believe he was going to win the presidential election and decided to send a hit squad after Castro, he called upon Howard Hughes on whose behalf Robert Mayheu contacted Johnny Roselli who contacted Santo Trafficante (because Trafficante was the Don over Cuba). Trafficante insisted upon proof that VP Nixon was authorizing it, so Nixon sent the CIA Chief of Security to a meeting with Trafficante and Roselli to confirm. They then assembled a 15 man team made up of anti-Castro Cuban mercenaries, Italian organized crime assassins (who had worked for Trafficante in Cuba), CIA operatives and special forces operators. This "S-Force" was funded by a skim off Las Vegas casinos, and was trained on U.S. military bases and Clint Murchison's ranch in Mexico to conduct triangulated crossfire ambush assassinations, and they were deployed to conduct such an operation against the President of the United States during the weekend of November 22, 1963.

This information is primarily derived from what attorney Daniel Sheehan has divulged about the attorney/client privileged communications between James McCord and Santo Trafficante and F. Lee Bailey while Bailey was representing them on CIA retainer during the period of the Watergate Hearings.

Video is queued to 45:39 where Professor Sheehan describes Santo Trafficante's confidential attorney-client privileged explanation of the relationship between Operation 40 and the "S-Force" which was originally constituted under the auspices of VP Nixon to off Castro, but was instead ultimately deployed to assassinate President Kennedy:

https://youtu.be/ObB6IUtAk_0?t=2739

Also see detailed account of the origins of the S-Force as presented in Daniel Sheehan's autobiography via the following link: https://www.facebook.com/groups/politicalassassinationsresearchgroup/posts/6787297377992940/

17 hours ago, Keven Hofeling said:

I agree with you about JMWAVE as being involved with the unit that carried out the assassination. I just think that Gladio was involved in the origins of these sorts of organizations and their operational methodologies (e.g., false flag operations, proxie armies, torture, assassination, etc.).

 

'PATHFINDER - PARTS 1 - 5 THE PLAN TO KILL CASTRO REDIRECTED TO JFK AT DALLAS'

William Kelly | JFKcountercoup | Saturday, December 22, 2018 | https://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com/2018/12/pathfinder-parts-1-5-plan-to-kill.html

https://www.facebook.com/groups/politicalassassinationsresearchgroup/posts/6051134211609264/

"...As Bill Turner put it, “the mechanism was in place” to kill Castro, and they just switched targets, and instead of shooting Castro they redirected their fire to JFK at Dealey Plaza...."

"...[W]e have now narrowed down the covert operational plans to kill Castro to a few – including Pathfinder that may have been the specific plan that was redirected to “snuff” JFK in Dallas. If it wasn't Pathfinder, it was one very much like it. Now we will soon know the names of the shooters – the five first-class Cuban mechanic-snipers who were paid and trained by the CIA to kill Castro but one or two of whom shot JFK in the head instead...."

"...“I took high powered rifles with scopes to Cuba,” Eugenio Martinez said, “and they weren’t going to be used to hunt rabbits.” “Chi Chi” Quintero was a shooter, said Wheaton, who also names five or six other Cubans who were on that team, that maritime crew of anti-Castro Cuban commandos who were paid and trained to kill Castro. But when that mission was scrubbed – “disapproved” by “higher authority,” and they learned of the JFK- Castro backchannel negotiations at the UN (from Henry Cabot Lodge), they redirected the Pathfinder target to JFK at Dealey Plaza. And considered themselves patriots for doing so...."

"...The U.S. Army Rangers are called Pathfinders, and two U.S. Army Ranger Captains - Bradley Ayers and Edward Roderick were assigned to the CIA by USMC General "Brut" Krulak to train the Cuban Commandos at JMWAVE. While Ayers trained the Cubans in small boat maneuvering at Pirate's Lair, Roderick trained the snipers at Point Mary, off Key Largo. The original anti-Castro Cuban Pathfinders were the best of the lot sent to Guatemala to train for the Bay of Pigs, and were commanded by US Marine Captain Carl Jenkins, whose specialty was infiltration and exfiltration of commandos while John "I.F" Harper trained the Cubans in explosives and sniper tactics...."

____________

SANTO TRAFFICANTE REVEALED MUCH IN CONFIDENCE TO HIS LAWYERS...

Listen to this video about Santo Trafficante confidentially providing the details about the origin of the S-Force to his legal counsel under the protection of attorney/client privilege. Trafficante did not do so to seek publicity or sell books. He only did so in the utmost confidentiality, expecting that it would never be divulged to anybody. Thus, the testimony is highly reliable. I've cued the video to the relevant segment for you.
----------------------------------------------------------
RE: THE S-FORCE

In 1960, once VP Richard Nixon came to believe he was going to win the presidential election and decided to send a hit squad after Castro, he called upon Howard Hughes on whose behalf Robert Mayheu contacted Johnny Roselli who contacted Santo Trafficante (because Trafficante was the Don over Cuba). Trafficante insisted upon proof that VP Nixon was authorizing it, so Nixon sent the CIA Chief of Security to a meeting with Trafficante and Roselli to confirm. They then assembled a 15 man team made up of anti-Castro Cuban mercenaries, Italian organized crime assassins (who had worked for Trafficante in Cuba), CIA operatives and special forces operators. This "S-Force" was funded by a skim off Las Vegas casinos, and was trained on U.S. military bases and Clint Murchison's ranch in Mexico to conduct triangulated crossfire ambush assassinations, and they were deployed to conduct such an operation against the President of the United States during the weekend of November 22, 1963.

This information is primarily derived from what attorney Daniel Sheehan has divulged about the attorney/client privileged communications between James McCord and Santo Trafficante and F. Lee Bailey while Bailey was representing them on CIA retainer during the period of the Watergate Hearings.

Video is queued to 45:39 where Professor Sheehan describes Santo Trafficante's confidential attorney-client privileged explanation of the relationship between Operation 40 and the "S-Force" which was originally constituted under the auspices of VP Nixon to off Castro, but was instead ultimately deployed to assassinate President Kennedy:

https://youtu.be/ObB6IUtAk_0?t=2739

Also see detailed account of the origins of the S-Force as presented in Daniel Sheehan's autobiography via the following link: https://www.facebook.com/groups/politicalassassinationsresearchgroup/posts/6787297377992940/

 

Fascinating material. 

I agree, the CIA-Miami crowd are suspects, perhaps prime suspects, in the JFKA, and they were all CIA assets as was LHO (IMHO).

Post-JFKA, this had to be covered up by any means necessary. 

However, this neither confirms nor refutes that idea that higher-ups or oligarchs were involved.

I remain dubious of JFKA explanations that have too many pre-event witting participants or observers. 

On 3/17/2024 at 8:22 PM, Benjamin Cole said:

Fascinating material. 

I agree, the CIA-Miami crowd are suspects, perhaps prime suspects, in the JFKA, and they were all CIA assets as was LHO (IMHO).

Post-JFKA, this had to be covered up by any means necessary. 

However, this neither confirms nor refutes that idea that higher-ups or oligarchs were involved.

I remain dubious of JFKA explanations that have too many pre-event witting participants or observers. 

 

With regard to oligarchs, Gene Wheaton's account is instructive...

"...THE STRAIGHT STORY 

Wheaton: “The straight story is that there was a CIA fronted program to assassinate Castro and Carl (Jenkins) was in charge of training the Cubans in Miami to assassinate Castro and it was paid for by the CIA. They would go from Texas down to Mexico and take some convertibles and things into the hills and rocky areas and set watermelons up in the back seat and they had what they called a triangulation shooting team. And they were according to THEM, THEY were the ones that diverted the Castro funds and training for their own agenda to snuff Kennedy. It was a paid element and they were CIA people. They were training to assassinate Castro, but if you are trained to assassinate one person, you can use that training to assassinate anybody with that same training. That’s what they were using – the paid training program to get Castro. The Cubans, because of the imprisonment of those guys and JFK backing off at the last moment in support of the Bay of Pigs invasion, they were still angry, still are to this day. There was another clique above them that was worried about Kennedy not increasing the program for escalating the hostilities in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia. So at an extremely high level, I’m talking about the political elite level, the shakers and movers of the country – the top guys in the Pentagon and White House, did not want Kennedy to shut down that war because they were just getting it warmed up and wanted to escalate.”..."

Part II - JFKcountercoup: PART II - PATHFINDER at JMWAVE and Dealey Plaza: https://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com/2018/10/part-ii-pathfinder-at-npic-and-dealey.html

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And I think that Trump created a similar problem for himself that accounts for his problems with the intelligence agencies and the CIA Operation Mockingbird media (Disclaimer: I am not a Trump fan, but find this analysis of his problems with "the deep state" compelling).

I have long been convinced that the rabid hostility of the U.S. national security state toward Donald J. Trump was the result of Trump shutting down the CIA Timber Sycamore operation in Syria shortly after he was elected president (Hillary Clinton had promised them a no-fly zone in Syria which would have led to a very dangerous confrontation with Russia). Professor Christian Parenti in this interview by Aaron Maté makes the most convincing case for this, brilliantly pointing out that Trump did so out of ineptitude and not due to any intent to further the cause of peace.

So the irony is that, unlike JFK, Trump was not conducting the anti-imperialist policy based upon anti-imperialist principles, but because he did not understand how U.S. imperialism works (rather, Trump was operating out of a short term everybody should pay their fair share philosophy).

THIS Is Why The Deep State Turned Against Trump -- https://youtu.be/sHRkTfB1prY

"Donald Trump’s presidency was a pipe dream for the wealthy and powerful, and yet the intelligence community still opposed him and even tried to cover up the Hunter Biden laptop story to prevent Trump from winning reelection. The reason is simply because Trump, while delivering on standard Republican issues domestically, was a wild card on foreign policy, frequently seeking to pull back from military deployments, railing against NATO and speaking the occasional truth about the rapaciousness of the U.S. empire.

Guest host Aaron Maté and John Jay College Economics Professor and investigative journalist Christian Parenti discuss the erratic foreign policy program that led the Deep State to turn against Trump."

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'Behind the Sudden Death of a $1 Billion Secret C.I.A. War in Syria' 

NEW YORK TIMES | By Mark Mazzetti, Adam Goldman and Michael S. Schmidt | Aug. 2, 2017 |  https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/02/world/middleeast/cia-syria-rebel-arm-train-trump.html

WASHINGTON — "The end came quickly for one of the costliest covert action programs in the history of the C.I.A.

During a White House briefing early last month, the C.I.A. director, Mike Pompeo, recommended to President Trump that he shut down a four-year-old effort to arm and train Syrian rebels. The president swiftly ended the program.

The rebel army was by then a shell, hollowed out by more than a year of bombing by Russian planes and confined to ever-shrinking patches of Syria that government troops had not reconquered. Critics in Congress had complained for years about the costs — more than $1 billion over the life of the program — and reports that some of the C.I.A.-supplied weapons had ended up in the hands of a rebel group tied to Al Qaeda further sapped political support for the program..."

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2011 STATEMENT OF WEBSTER TARPLEY THAT THE THEN NEW VIOLENCE IN SYRIA WAS AN INVASION BY FOREIGN COVERT FORCES, NOT A CIVIL WAR

The West is doing its best to destabilize the situation in Syria, author and journalist Webster Tarpley told RT. According to him, civilians have to deal with death squads and blind terrorism, which is typical of the CIA. "What average Syrians of all ethnic groups say about this is that they are being shot at by snipers.

People complained that there are terrorist snipers who are shooting at civilians, blind terrorism simply for the purpose of destabilizing the country. I would not call this civil war -- it is a very misleading term. What you are dealing with here are death squads, you are dealing with terror commandos; this is a typical CIA method. In this case it's a joint production of CIA, MI6, Mossad, it's got money coming from Saudi Arabia, The United Arab Emirates and Qatar," he explained.

He added that Syrian society is the most tolerant society in the Middle East, the one place where all kinds of people live together in remarkable harmony, Muslims and Christians of all kinds.

"This is a model of a peaceful coexistence of various ethnic groups. The US policy right now is to smash the Middle East according to ethnic lines," he added.

Assad's rule is increasingly being called illegitimate. But the US and Europe do not seem concerned that getting rid of the Syrian president could cause even more violence, as was seen in Egypt, believes Tarpley.

"After Libya becoming a bloodbath with 150.000 dead and now with Egypt showing what it was all along -- there was no revolution there, it was a complete failure and now people are beginning to understand that. Still, Mrs Clinton and Ms Rice (sic) continue to push this bankrupt model of the colour revolution, backed up by terrorist troops -- people from Al-Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood. There is a growing movement inside the Islamic community, which says 'We want reconciliation, we want law and order, and we want legality'," he said.'

'CIA, MI6 and Mossad Together against Syria' -- https://youtu.be/LUwBJltxZgY

58 minutes ago, Keven Hofeling said:

THIS Is Why The Deep State Turned Against Trump -- https://youtu.be/sHRkTfB1prY

"Donald Trump’s presidency was a pipe dream for the wealthy and powerful, and yet the intelligence community still opposed him and even tried to cover up the Hunter Biden laptop story to prevent Trump from winning reelection. The reason is simply because Trump, while delivering on standard Republican issues domestically, was a wild card on foreign policy, frequently seeking to pull back from military deployments, railing against NATO and speaking the occasional truth about the rapaciousness of the U.S. empire.

Guest host Aaron Maté and John Jay College Economics Professor and investigative journalist Christian Parenti discuss the erratic foreign policy program that led the Deep State to turn against Trump."

This is not a current politics post?

9 minutes ago, Ron Bulman said:

This is not a current politics post?

No, the topic of this thread is Donald Trump and his failure to release the JFK records. The information presented about his Syria policies concerns the potential context of his decision not to do so, and also notes the parallels between the establishment reactions to Trump's Syria policy and JFK's Vietnam policy.

20 minutes ago, Ron Bulman said:

This is not a current politics post?

No, focuses on 1963 and 2017, and the policies of JFK and Trump to end the CIA wars in Vietnam and Syria.

1 hour ago, Keven Hofeling said:

With regard to oligarchs, Gene Wheaton's account is instructive...

"...THE STRAIGHT STORY 

Wheaton: “The straight story is that there was a CIA fronted program to assassinate Castro and Carl (Jenkins) was in charge of training the Cubans in Miami to assassinate Castro and it was paid for by the CIA. They would go from Texas down to Mexico and take some convertibles and things into the hills and rocky areas and set watermelons up in the back seat and they had what they called a triangulation shooting team. And they were according to THEM, THEY were the ones that diverted the Castro funds and training for their own agenda to snuff Kennedy. It was a paid element and they were CIA people. They were training to assassinate Castro, but if you are trained to assassinate one person, you can use that training to assassinate anybody with that same training. That’s what they were using – the paid training program to get Castro. The Cubans, because of the imprisonment of those guys and JFK backing off at the last moment in support of the Bay of Pigs invasion, they were still angry, still are to this day. There was another clique above them that was worried about Kennedy not increasing the program for escalating the hostilities in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia. So at an extremely high level, I’m talking about the political elite level, the shakers and movers of the country – the top guys in the Pentagon and White House, did not want Kennedy to shut down that war because they were just getting it warmed up and wanted to escalate.”..."

Part II - JFKcountercoup: PART II - PATHFINDER at JMWAVE and Dealey Plaza: https://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com/2018/10/part-ii-pathfinder-at-npic-and-dealey.html

______________

And I think that Trump created a similar problem for himself that accounts for his problems with the intelligence agencies and the CIA Operation Mockingbird media (Disclaimer: I am not a Trump fan, but find this analysis of his problems with "the deep state" compelling).

I have long been convinced that the rabid hostility of the U.S. national security state toward Donald J. Trump was the result of Trump shutting down the CIA Timber Sycamore operation in Syria shortly after he was elected president (Hillary Clinton had promised them a no-fly zone in Syria which would have led to a very dangerous confrontation with Russia). Professor Christian Parenti in this interview by Aaron Maté makes the most convincing case for this, brilliantly pointing out that Trump did so out of ineptitude and not due to any intent to further the cause of peace.

So the irony is that, unlike JFK, Trump was not conducting the anti-imperialist policy based upon anti-imperialist principles, but because he did not understand how U.S. imperialism works (rather, Trump was operating out of a short term everybody should pay their fair share philosophy).

THIS Is Why The Deep State Turned Against Trump -- https://youtu.be/sHRkTfB1prY

"Donald Trump’s presidency was a pipe dream for the wealthy and powerful, and yet the intelligence community still opposed him and even tried to cover up the Hunter Biden laptop story to prevent Trump from winning reelection. The reason is simply because Trump, while delivering on standard Republican issues domestically, was a wild card on foreign policy, frequently seeking to pull back from military deployments, railing against NATO and speaking the occasional truth about the rapaciousness of the U.S. empire.

Guest host Aaron Maté and John Jay College Economics Professor and investigative journalist Christian Parenti discuss the erratic foreign policy program that led the Deep State to turn against Trump."

______________
'Behind the Sudden Death of a $1 Billion Secret C.I.A. War in Syria' 

NEW YORK TIMES | By Mark Mazzetti, Adam Goldman and Michael S. Schmidt | Aug. 2, 2017 |  https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/02/world/middleeast/cia-syria-rebel-arm-train-trump.html

WASHINGTON — "The end came quickly for one of the costliest covert action programs in the history of the C.I.A.

During a White House briefing early last month, the C.I.A. director, Mike Pompeo, recommended to President Trump that he shut down a four-year-old effort to arm and train Syrian rebels. The president swiftly ended the program.

The rebel army was by then a shell, hollowed out by more than a year of bombing by Russian planes and confined to ever-shrinking patches of Syria that government troops had not reconquered. Critics in Congress had complained for years about the costs — more than $1 billion over the life of the program — and reports that some of the C.I.A.-supplied weapons had ended up in the hands of a rebel group tied to Al Qaeda further sapped political support for the program..."

______________

2011 STATEMENT OF WEBSTER TARPLEY THAT THE THEN NEW VIOLENCE IN SYRIA WAS AN INVASION BY FOREIGN COVERT FORCES, NOT A CIVIL WAR

The West is doing its best to destabilize the situation in Syria, author and journalist Webster Tarpley told RT. According to him, civilians have to deal with death squads and blind terrorism, which is typical of the CIA. "What average Syrians of all ethnic groups say about this is that they are being shot at by snipers.

People complained that there are terrorist snipers who are shooting at civilians, blind terrorism simply for the purpose of destabilizing the country. I would not call this civil war -- it is a very misleading term. What you are dealing with here are death squads, you are dealing with terror commandos; this is a typical CIA method. In this case it's a joint production of CIA, MI6, Mossad, it's got money coming from Saudi Arabia, The United Arab Emirates and Qatar," he explained.

He added that Syrian society is the most tolerant society in the Middle East, the one place where all kinds of people live together in remarkable harmony, Muslims and Christians of all kinds.

"This is a model of a peaceful coexistence of various ethnic groups. The US policy right now is to smash the Middle East according to ethnic lines," he added.

Assad's rule is increasingly being called illegitimate. But the US and Europe do not seem concerned that getting rid of the Syrian president could cause even more violence, as was seen in Egypt, believes Tarpley.

"After Libya becoming a bloodbath with 150.000 dead and now with Egypt showing what it was all along -- there was no revolution there, it was a complete failure and now people are beginning to understand that. Still, Mrs Clinton and Ms Rice (sic) continue to push this bankrupt model of the colour revolution, backed up by terrorist troops -- people from Al-Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood. There is a growing movement inside the Islamic community, which says 'We want reconciliation, we want law and order, and we want legality'," he said.'

'CIA, MI6 and Mossad Together against Syria' -- https://youtu.be/LUwBJltxZgY

 

I like Gene Wheaton and have viewed the video of him a few times, and reporting on him by Larry Hancock and Dvid Boylston.

As I say, perhaps the JFKA plot went to higher levels than the actual perps. Even that is separate from whether oligarchs or globalists were involved. At times, there are schisms between globalists and the national security state (see now, the national security state is very skeptical of Red China, but globalists are all in on doing business with Beijing). 

3 hours ago, Keven Hofeling said:

With regard to oligarchs, Gene Wheaton's account is instructive...

"...THE STRAIGHT STORY 

Wheaton: “The straight story is that there was a CIA fronted program to assassinate Castro and Carl (Jenkins) was in charge of training the Cubans in Miami to assassinate Castro and it was paid for by the CIA. They would go from Texas down to Mexico and take some convertibles and things into the hills and rocky areas and set watermelons up in the back seat and they had what they called a triangulation shooting team. And they were according to THEM, THEY were the ones that diverted the Castro funds and training for their own agenda to snuff Kennedy. It was a paid element and they were CIA people. They were training to assassinate Castro, but if you are trained to assassinate one person, you can use that training to assassinate anybody with that same training. That’s what they were using – the paid training program to get Castro. The Cubans, because of the imprisonment of those guys and JFK backing off at the last moment in support of the Bay of Pigs invasion, they were still angry, still are to this day. There was another clique above them that was worried about Kennedy not increasing the program for escalating the hostilities in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia. So at an extremely high level, I’m talking about the political elite level, the shakers and movers of the country – the top guys in the Pentagon and White House, did not want Kennedy to shut down that war because they were just getting it warmed up and wanted to escalate.”..."

Part II - JFKcountercoup: PART II - PATHFINDER at JMWAVE and Dealey Plaza: https://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com/2018/10/part-ii-pathfinder-at-npic-and-dealey.html

______________

And I think that Trump created a similar problem for himself that accounts for his problems with the intelligence agencies and the CIA Operation Mockingbird media (Disclaimer: I am not a Trump fan, but find this analysis of his problems with "the deep state" compelling).

I have long been convinced that the rabid hostility of the U.S. national security state toward Donald J. Trump was the result of Trump shutting down the CIA Timber Sycamore operation in Syria shortly after he was elected president (Hillary Clinton had promised them a no-fly zone in Syria which would have led to a very dangerous confrontation with Russia). Professor Christian Parenti in this interview by Aaron Maté makes the most convincing case for this, brilliantly pointing out that Trump did so out of ineptitude and not due to any intent to further the cause of peace.

So the irony is that, unlike JFK, Trump was not conducting the anti-imperialist policy based upon anti-imperialist principles, but because he did not understand how U.S. imperialism works (rather, Trump was operating out of a short term everybody should pay their fair share philosophy).

THIS Is Why The Deep State Turned Against Trump -- https://youtu.be/sHRkTfB1prY

"Donald Trump’s presidency was a pipe dream for the wealthy and powerful, and yet the intelligence community still opposed him and even tried to cover up the Hunter Biden laptop story to prevent Trump from winning reelection. The reason is simply because Trump, while delivering on standard Republican issues domestically, was a wild card on foreign policy, frequently seeking to pull back from military deployments, railing against NATO and speaking the occasional truth about the rapaciousness of the U.S. empire.

Guest host Aaron Maté and John Jay College Economics Professor and investigative journalist Christian Parenti discuss the erratic foreign policy program that led the Deep State to turn against Trump."

______________
'Behind the Sudden Death of a $1 Billion Secret C.I.A. War in Syria' 

NEW YORK TIMES | By Mark Mazzetti, Adam Goldman and Michael S. Schmidt | Aug. 2, 2017 |  https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/02/world/middleeast/cia-syria-rebel-arm-train-trump.html

WASHINGTON — "The end came quickly for one of the costliest covert action programs in the history of the C.I.A.

During a White House briefing early last month, the C.I.A. director, Mike Pompeo, recommended to President Trump that he shut down a four-year-old effort to arm and train Syrian rebels. The president swiftly ended the program.

The rebel army was by then a shell, hollowed out by more than a year of bombing by Russian planes and confined to ever-shrinking patches of Syria that government troops had not reconquered. Critics in Congress had complained for years about the costs — more than $1 billion over the life of the program — and reports that some of the C.I.A.-supplied weapons had ended up in the hands of a rebel group tied to Al Qaeda further sapped political support for the program..."

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2011 STATEMENT OF WEBSTER TARPLEY THAT THE THEN NEW VIOLENCE IN SYRIA WAS AN INVASION BY FOREIGN COVERT FORCES, NOT A CIVIL WAR

The West is doing its best to destabilize the situation in Syria, author and journalist Webster Tarpley told RT. According to him, civilians have to deal with death squads and blind terrorism, which is typical of the CIA. "What average Syrians of all ethnic groups say about this is that they are being shot at by snipers.

People complained that there are terrorist snipers who are shooting at civilians, blind terrorism simply for the purpose of destabilizing the country. I would not call this civil war -- it is a very misleading term. What you are dealing with here are death squads, you are dealing with terror commandos; this is a typical CIA method. In this case it's a joint production of CIA, MI6, Mossad, it's got money coming from Saudi Arabia, The United Arab Emirates and Qatar," he explained.

He added that Syrian society is the most tolerant society in the Middle East, the one place where all kinds of people live together in remarkable harmony, Muslims and Christians of all kinds.

"This is a model of a peaceful coexistence of various ethnic groups. The US policy right now is to smash the Middle East according to ethnic lines," he added.

Assad's rule is increasingly being called illegitimate. But the US and Europe do not seem concerned that getting rid of the Syrian president could cause even more violence, as was seen in Egypt, believes Tarpley.

"After Libya becoming a bloodbath with 150.000 dead and now with Egypt showing what it was all along -- there was no revolution there, it was a complete failure and now people are beginning to understand that. Still, Mrs Clinton and Ms Rice (sic) continue to push this bankrupt model of the colour revolution, backed up by terrorist troops -- people from Al-Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood. There is a growing movement inside the Islamic community, which says 'We want reconciliation, we want law and order, and we want legality'," he said.'

'CIA, MI6 and Mossad Together against Syria' -- https://youtu.be/LUwBJltxZgY

 

KH-

In some ways I agree with this analysis of the Trump Presidency. The national security state, aka Deep State, Shadow Government was against Trump from even before he was elected, planting any number of articles and op-eds against him national media right through to the Hunter laptop and Jan. 6 story. 

Trump's intention to open up the JFK Records may have played a role in the hostility to him, but it was broader as well. 

However, this is a radioactive topic in the EF-JFKA. 

You and I might have civil discourse on this as an interesting example of how the Deep State that perped he JFKA has miantained it grip on DC ever since, putting torpedoes into Nixon, Carter and Trump. Perhaps we even disagree on some aspects of this version of events. Fine and dandy. 

Other people take partisan umbrage at such sentiments. 

So it goes. See you in "political discussions." I hear the hall-monitor footsteps....

16 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:

KH-

In some ways I agree with this analysis of the Trump Presidency. The national security state, aka Deep State, Shadow Government was against Trump from even before he was elected, planting any number of articles and op-eds against him national media right through to the Hunter laptop and Jan. 6 story. 

 

Geez...  How many times has this bogus Trump propaganda trope been debunked here on the Education Forum-- by Cliff Varnell, myself, and others?

Do we have to re-post the 2017 Harvard Brennan Center and Columbia Journalism Review analyses of the corporate media sabotage of Hillary Clinton's 2016 Presidential campaign, for Benjamin Cole?

Do we have to re-post the facts about Dean Baquet and the NYT censoring any 2016 pre-election coverage of the Trump campaign's numerous contacts with Kremlin officials-- while simultaneously running non-stop headline articles about Hillary's Email-gate nothing burger?

Where was the Deep State when we really needed them?

How about James Comey and the "Deep State" FBI officials in New York associated with Rudy Giuliani and Comey's 2016 "October Surprise" involving Anthony Weiner's Laptop nothing burger?

The truth is that Ben Cole and his MAGA media pundits only discovered the "Deep State" in 2017, after Trump falsely, and repeatedly, tried to blame his 2016 campaign involvement with the Kremlin on the U.S. "Deep State."

First, it was "Spygate," then "Obamagate," then the bogus "Nunes Memo," then Bill Barr's abortion and misrepresentation of the redacted Mueller Report.

And let's not forget that Reality Winner was promptly sent to prison for five years, for releasing a single classified memo to The Intercept, which debunked Trump and Putin's lie that Russia did not interfere in the 2016 election on Trump's behalf.

The GOP-controlled U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee later released their belated report confirming widespread Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. election, to benefit Trump and the GOP.

Addendum:  I do agree with Kevin Hofeling's (above) comments about Syria.  It's a subject I have been studying for years. 

Trump deserves credit for ending Operation Timber Sycamore in 2017.  But, in general, Trump was hardly a Deep State adversary. 

He caved on releasing the JFK Records, and he never fulfilled his 2016 campaign promise to tell the American people "who really destroyed the World Trade Center on 9/11."

Trump's first trip abroad as POTUS was to Riyadh, to kiss the Royal ring and do the Sword Dance with the Saudis, who were always the main financiers of the CIA/MI6/Saudi/Israeli proxy war against Assad's Alawite regime.  Trump also launched Tomahawk cruise missiles at Syrian Army positions in response to some false flag provocations.

Trump had his chance to release the files.  Enough said as he is running again.  This forum is not about him or his opponent, who also didn't release them, or the current election process.  If anyone wants to talk about how we got from the JFKA or before to here, great.  But the JFK Debate forum is not the place to discuss the current election.  The JFKA release of files has little to no impact on it imho.  Ventura and Rogers are props in this distraction, and they're out of the picture now.

For the sake of transparency this thread will remain open for 24 hours for comments by members.  Pending approval by Mark and Sandy, if there is no convincing argument otherwise it will be moved to Political Discussions.

Go to the water coolers for such, I do.

I agree that the political discussion in this thread is better suited for the Political Discussions forum.

But, I think Trump's alleged statement that prompted this thread is pertinent to this forum, and I would prefer folks go to the  Political Discussions forum to make their political comments.   I prefer the moderators a) discourage political discussion in this forum but b) NOT move threads that devolve into politics.   Can specific comments simply be deleted?

23 minutes ago, K K Lane said:

Can specific comments simply be deleted?

Yes.  But three moderators reading all the posts on the forum is impossible.  We currently have several reported content complaints that have not been personally addressed, they do not go unnoted.  While a few are frivolous we, or I for the moment appreciate the input and regret we can't respond to every one. 

2 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

Yes.  But three moderators reading all the posts on the forum is impossible.  We currently have several reported content complaints that have not been personally addressed, they do not go unnoted.  While a few are frivolous we, or I for the moment appreciate the input and regret we can't respond to every one. 

I appreciate how hard the moderators work.   Thanks.

6 hours ago, K K Lane said:

I agree that the political discussion in this thread is better suited for the Political Discussions forum.

But, I think Trump's alleged statement that prompted this thread is pertinent to this forum, and I would prefer folks go to the  Political Discussions forum to make their political comments.   I prefer the moderators a) discourage political discussion in this forum but b) NOT move threads that devolve into politics.   Can specific comments simply be deleted?

Trump's comments on why he did not release the JFK Records are fascinating snd germane, regardless on one's beliefs about Trump.

Pondering what has happened to a string of Presidents who crossed the intel state---JFK, Nixon, Carter, Trump---in also fascinating. 

This is separate from whether those Presidents were good and honorable or terrible weezebags.