Is anyone interested in Apollo missions...

[Michael Hogan]

Little known about the FIRST WTC bombing is well documented in a book called Triple Cross by Peter Lance. He documents how the FBI had penetrated the plot [if not maybe provoked it...but lets just say they only penetrated it] and they were going to substitute real exposive for fake explosive, but did NOT......they didn't do that, though it seems they were in a position to! [or stop it altogether - they did neither!....interesting and not well known...in fact untouched information.

Peter did you actually read the book? That doesn’t seem to be what it says. According to it’s Amazon review......

From the preface of Triple Cross:

So Ronnie Bucca, who was in an army reserve intelligence detachment, got himself assigned to the Defense Intelligence Analysis Center (DIAC) at Bolling Air Force Base in Washington. There, as he began to examine the intel, he learned that the FBI actually had an informant inside the bombing cell months before the blast, but after a falling-out with a Bureau supervisor, he'd withdrawn.

From the chapter Ground Zero, Part One, p114:

McLoughlin, a veteran fire investigator, had no idea back in 1993 that the FBI had any prior warnings that a bomb or bombs would go off in New York City. Neither did most people in law enforcement, outside of the FBI. One of the problems was that some journalists who examined the years leading up to the 1993 bombing were willing to give the Bureau a pass.

Peter Lance devotes a significant amount of Triple Cross to the 1993 WTC bombing and the failures of the FBI. I didn't find any mention of plans to substitute explosives. Perhaps Peter can provide citations.

Nevertheless, its worth noting that based on a one paragraph comment, Len Colby questions whether Peter has ever read Triple Cross, then cites Amazon reviews to make his points, whatever they were. Then again, it is not uncommon for Len Colby to rebut, comment on, and critique books and authors he apparently has never read.

Edited September 8, 2007 by Michael Hogan

[Len Colby]

Nevertheless, its worth noting that based on a one paragraph comment, Len Colby questions whether Peter has ever read Triple Cross, then cites Amazon reviews to make his points, whatever they were. Then again, it is not uncommon for Len Colby to rebut, comment on, and critique books and authors he apparently has never read.

Yes I asked Peter if he read the book, he didn't say he had in the post. I didn't "rebut, comment on [or] critique" the book or its author, rather I suggested that the book didn't "document" what Peter claimed it had and according to you and now Peter's own admission it didn't. FWIW the review I quoted it seems was written by an Amazon employee.

[Peter McKenna]

Was a Covert Attempt to Bomb Iran foiled by a Military Leak?

http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Fron...9/07/01751.html

I remember reading that many in the military command structure was opposed to attacking Iran, as well as the use of Nukes.

How can the VP exercise that level of command without violating separation of powers?

Only the President is allowed to use immediate war powers. If he can delegate that power where does it end?

[Evan Burton]

Is the disappearance of Steve Fossett going to be linked in somehow? Either to 9/11 or another conspiracy?

[Guest David Guyatt]

On the OKC bombing and the uneducated myth that it was the work of “home grown right-wing fanatics”.

Said to be ringleader and buddy of executed Timothy McVeigh, Andreas Strassmeir was a German national working for German intelligence and under protection of the FBI.

Little known unto this post -- in the immediate aftermath of OKC, when it became too hot for Strassmeir to remain in the US, he was quietly housed in the home of a senior policeman in Ireland.

David

[William Kelly]

Is the disappearance of Steve Fossett going to be linked in somehow? Either to 9/11 or another conspiracy?

Fossett is hanging out with Amelia Earhart and Wrong Way Corrigan.

BK

[Kathleen Collins]

Is the disappearance of Steve Fossett going to be linked in somehow? Either to 9/11 or another conspiracy?

Fossett is hanging out with Amelia Earhart and Wrong Way Corrigan.

BK

And living on D.B. Cooper's money.

Kathy

[Evan Burton]

I'm obviously psychic....

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=109341

[Christopher Hall]

"Nuclear Bombs Mistakenly Flown Over US

By PAULINE JELINEK,AP

Posted: 2007-09-05 23:11:46

WASHINGTON (AP) - A B-52 bomber was mistakenly armed with six nuclear warheads and flown for more than three hours across several states last week, prompting an Air Force investigation and the firing of one commander, Pentagon officials said Wednesday.

The mistake was so serious that President Bush and Defense Secretary Robert Gates were quickly informed and Gates has asked for daily briefings on the Air Force inquiry, said Defense Department press secretary Geoff Morrell.

He said Gates was assured that "the munitions were part of a routine transfer between the two bases and at all times they were in the custody and control of Air Force personnel and at no time was the public in danger."

Rep. Ike Skelton , chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, called the mishandling of the weapons "deeply disturbing" and said the committee would press the military for details. Rep. Edward J. Markey , a senior member of the Homeland Security Committee, said it was "absolutely inexcusable."

"Nothing like this has ever been reported before and we have been assured for decades that it was imposs

According to the officials, the weapons are designed with multiple safety features that ensure the warheads don't accidentally detonate.

Arming the weapons requires a number of stringent protocols and authentication codes that must be followed for detonation. And they are designed to withstand a significant impact, including an aircraft crash, without detonating.

The Air Combat Command has ordered a command-wide stand down on Sept. 14 to review procedures, officials said. They said there was minimal risk to crews and the public because of safety features designed into the munitions."

--How scary is this? And the Air Combat Command has been given a command standdown and they even announce the date.

Kathy

The inmates are running the asylum.

Send in the clowns.

Edited September 10, 2007 by Christopher Hall

[Michael Hogan]

Castro accuses US of 9/11 conspiracy

HAVANA (AFP) — An article attributed to Cuban leader Fidel Castro on Tuesday accused the US government of deceiving the world about the September 11 terror attacks in the United States.

The article, written on the sixth anniversary of the attacks, claimed that the Pentagon was hit not by an airplane but by a missile, and says that data on the World Trade Center destruction does not add up.

"We know that there was deliberate misinformation," said Castro, 81, in a lengthy article titled "The Empire and Lies." The Cuban leader routinely refers to the United States as "the empire."

"What is most dramatic is the affirmation that the truth about what happened may never be known," he said.

Castro has not been seen in public since undergoing intestinal surgery in July 2006. He has appeared in photographs and eight videos, the last of which aired on June 5.

This is the 44th opinion articles attributed to Castro that has appeared in the government-run newspapers.

The way the passenger jets crashed into the Twin Towers in New York on September 11 and the data from the plane's black boxes "do not correspond with the criteria of mathematicians, seismologists, and information and demolition specialists," Castro said.

Castro does not believe that an airplane crashed into the Pentagon, nor does he believe that any airplane passengers died. "Only a projectile could have created the geometrically round orifice created by the alleged airplane," he said.

"We were deceived as well as the rest of the planet's inhabitants," he said.

Castro said that Cuba offered to donate blood after the tragedy, and that Cuban security services had earlier warned US officials of planned strikes, including information on a planned attempt on then-president Ronald Reagan's life.

In turn, the US government has developed hundreds of plots to kill him, Castro said in the article.

After his intestinal operation Castro handed power over temporarily to his younger brother Raul, 76, the commander of Cuba's armed forces.

Cuban officials say that they treat news on Castro's health as a state secret.

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jlhFcO...cvRMbAfFUjtqQug

[William Kelly]

I thought Castro died last week.

BK

Castro accuses US of 9/11 conspiracy

HAVANA (AFP) — An article attributed to Cuban leader Fidel Castro on Tuesday accused the US government of deceiving the world about the September 11 terror attacks in the United States....

Castro does not believe that an airplane crashed into the Pentagon, nor does he believe that any airplane passengers died. "Only a projectile could have created the geometrically round orifice created by the alleged airplane," he said.

"We were deceived as well as the rest of the planet's inhabitants," he said.

.........

Cuban officials say that they treat news on Castro's health as a state secret.

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jlhFcO...cvRMbAfFUjtqQug

[Michael Chapman]

Stange how he's survived all these years isn't it? And stranger still how he got into power in the first place - just 89 men in a boat courtesy of the mob. And then weirdness upon weirdness he turns round and bites the hand that feeds him.

You would have thought it a doddle for CIA trained mercenaries to do to him what he did to Batista. Apparently not. Not even after bringing the world to the brink of thermo nuclear war (except for Langley's Xmas gifts of exploding cigars and poison pens reported annually in The Guinness Book of Records 'Most Failed Assassination Atempts' category the folks on the hill have always seemed a little indifferent to him).

And while all his companeros in the region were being toppled under 'Operation Condor' he felt he could safely send half his army to Angola and, for good measure, get further up the nose of the Yankee imperialist agressors perched right on his doorstep by exporting to them a human crimewave.

Amazing how the old fraud kept his windbaggery up all those years (and how all those greying community college lecturers fell for it) long, long after his principal sugar buyer (sorry, ideological sponsor) went out of business. Still at least he's got the tourists now. All that crumbling colonial architecture. And the rum. And er... the tarts, the very tarts for whom he started a revolution, the tarts he wanted to make respectable.

The alter ego of the liberal arts professor...

Croesus Cocaine Castro never read Lincoln which is just as well. Apparently you can't fool all of the people all of the time. I don't think the Bush oligarchs are acquainted with Lincoln's home spun philosophy either. They prefer to take a leaf out of Cosa Nostra's book...

'Keep your friends close and your enemies closer still

and make your friends appear your enemies and your enemies your friends...'

Edited September 12, 2007 by Michael Chapman

[John Simkin]

Article by Peter Thatchell in today's Guardian. You can join in the debate here:

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/peter_...ig_coverup.html

Six years after 9/11, the American public have still not been provided with a full and truthful account of the single greatest terror attack in US history.

What they got was a turkey. The 9/11 Commission was hamstrung by official obstruction. It never managed to ascertain the whole truth of what happened on September 11 2001.

The chair and vice chair of the 9/11 Commission, respectively Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton, assert in their book, Without Precedent, that they were "set up to fail" and were starved of funds to do a proper investigation. They also confirm that they were denied access to the truth and misled by senior officials in the Pentagon and the federal aviation authority;

and that this obstruction and deception led them to contemplate slapping officials with criminal charges.

Despite the many public statements by 9/11 commissioners and staff members acknowledging they were repeatedly lied to, not a single person has ever been charged, tried, or even reprimanded, for lying to the 9/11 Commission.

From the outset, the commission seemed to be hobbled. It did not start work until over a year after the attacks. Even then, its terms of reference were suspiciously narrow, its powers of investigation curiously limited and its time-frame for producing a report unhelpfully short - barely a year to sift through millions of pages of evidence and to interview hundreds of key witnesses.

The final report did not examine key evidence, and neglected serious anomalies in the various accounts of what happened. The commissioners admit their report was incomplete and flawed, and that many questions about the terror attacks remain unanswered. Nevertheless, the 9/11 Commission was swiftly closed down on August 21 2004.

I do not believe in conspiracy theories. I prefer rigorous, evidence-based analysis that sifts through the known facts and utilises expert opinion to draw conclusions that stand up to critical scrutiny. In other words, I believe in everything the 9/11 Commission was not.

The failings of the official investigation have fuelled too many half-baked conspiracy theories. Some of the 9/11 "truth" groups promote speculative hypotheses, ignore innocent explanations, cite non-expert sources and jump to conclusions that are not proven by the known facts. They convert mere coincidence and circumstantial evidence into cast-iron proof. This is no way to debunk the obfuscations and evasions of the 9/11 report.

But even amid the hype, some of these 9/11 groups raise valid and important questions that were never even considered, let alone answered, by the official investigation. The American public has not been told the complete truth about the events of that fateful autumn morning six years ago.

What happened on 9/11 is fundamentally important in its own right. But equally important is the way the 9/11 cover-up signifies an absence of democratic, transparent and accountable government. Establishing the truth is, in part, about restoring honesty, trust and confidence in American politics.

There are dozens of 9/11 "truth" websites and campaign groups. I cannot vouch for the veracity or credibility of any of them. But what I can say is that as well as making plenty of seemingly outrageous claims; a few of them raise legitimate questions that demand answers.

Four of these well known "tell the truth" 9/11 websites are:

1) Scholars for 9/11 Truth, which includes academics and intellectuals from many disciplines.

2) 250+ 9/11 'Smoking Guns' a website that cites over 250 pieces of evidence that allegedly contradict, or were omitted from, the 9/11 Commission report.

3) The 911 Truth Campaign that, as well as offering its own evidence and theories, includes links to more than 20 similar websites.

4) Patriots Question 9/11, perhaps the most plausible array of distinguished US citizens who question the official account of 9/11, including General Wesley Clark, former Nato commander in Europe, and seven members and staffers of the official 9/11 Commission, including the chair and vice chair. In all, this website documents the doubts of 110+ senior military, intelligence service, law enforcement and government officials; 200+ engineers and architects; 50+ pilots and aviation professionals; 150+ professors; 90+ entertainment and media people; and 190+ 9/11 survivors and family members. Although this is an impressive roll call, it doesn't necessarily mean that these expert professionals are right. Nevertheless, their scepticism of the official version of events is reason to pause and reflect.

More and more US citizens are critical of the official account. The respected Zogby polling organisation last week found that 51% of Americans want Congress to probe President Bush and Vice-President Cheney regarding the truth about the 9/11 attacks; 67% are also critical of the 9/11 Commission for not investigating the bizarre, unexplained collapse of the 47-storey World Trade Centre building 7 (WTC7). This building was not hit by any planes. Unlike WTC3, which was badly damaged by falling debris from the Twin Towers but which remained standing, WTC7 suffered minor damage but suddenly collapsed in a neat pile, as happens in a controlled demolition.

In a 2006 interview with anchorman Evan Soloman of CBC's Sunday programme, the vice chair of the 9/11 Commission, Lee Hamilton, was reminded that the commission report failed to even mention the collapse of WTC7 or the suspicious hurried removal of the building debris from the site - before there could be a proper forensic investigation of what was a crime scene. Hamilton could only offer the lame excuse that the commissioners did not have "unlimited time" and could not be expected to answer "every question" the public asks.

There are many, many more strange unexplained facts concerning the events of 9/11. You don't have to be a conspiracy theorist to be puzzled and want an explanation, or to be sceptical concerning the official version of events.

Six years on from those terrible events, the survivors, and the friends and families of those who died, deserve to know the truth. Is honesty and transparency concerning 9/11 too much to ask of the president and Congress?

What is needed is a new and truly independent commission of inquiry to sort coincidence and conjecture from fact, and to provide answers to the unsolved anomalies in the evidence available concerning the attacks on the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon. Unlike the often-stymied first investigation, this new commission should be granted wide-ranging subpoena powers and unfettered access to government files and officials. George Bush should be called to testify, without his minders at hand to brief and prompt him. America - and the world - has a right to know the truth.

[Ron Ecker]

Good article. But what I don't understand about articles like this is when the authors say, "I am not a conspiracy theorist." Given the masterful way that they present information and logic regarding all the unanswered questions, anomalies, and lies, one has to ask, "Why the hell not?" How much does it take to see conspiracy or complicity by someone at some high level, though we don't know specifically who? (How can we know without a real investigation?) Just as in the JFK assassination, you don't have to have a "theory" about it to see conspiracy. But it's as if these writers don't even read what they've written.

It reminds me of Dan Moldea, who wrote a book on the RFK assassination that convincingly shows there was a conspiracy, then on the very last page he concludes that Sirhan acted alone. What?!

[Jack White]

Good article. But what I don't understand about articles like this is when the authors say, "I am not a conspiracy theorist." Given the masterful way that they present information and logic regarding all the unanswered questions, anomalies, and lies, one has to ask, "Why the hell not?" How much does it take to see conspiracy or complicity by someone at some high level, though we don't know specifically who? (How can we know without a real investigation?) Just as in the JFK assassination, you don't have to have a "theory" about it to see conspiracy. But it's as if these writers don't even read what they've written.

It reminds me of Dan Moldea, who wrote a book on the RFK assassination that convincingly shows there was a conspiracy, then on the very last page he concludes that Sirhan acted alone. What?!

I agree with Ron...good article, but why be apologetic about it?

Jack