Is anyone interested in Apollo missions...

[Kathleen Collins]

"Nuclear Bombs Mistakenly Flown Over US

By PAULINE JELINEK,AP

Posted: 2007-09-05 23:11:46

WASHINGTON (AP) - A B-52 bomber was mistakenly armed with six nuclear warheads and flown for more than three hours across several states last week, prompting an Air Force investigation and the firing of one commander, Pentagon officials said Wednesday.

The mistake was so serious that President Bush and Defense Secretary Robert Gates were quickly informed and Gates has asked for daily briefings on the Air Force inquiry, said Defense Department press secretary Geoff Morrell.

He said Gates was assured that "the munitions were part of a routine transfer between the two bases and at all times they were in the custody and control of Air Force personnel and at no time was the public in danger."

Rep. Ike Skelton , chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, called the mishandling of the weapons "deeply disturbing" and said the committee would press the military for details. Rep. Edward J. Markey , a senior member of the Homeland Security Committee, said it was "absolutely inexcusable."

"Nothing like this has ever been reported before and we have been assured for decades that it was imposs

According to the officials, the weapons are designed with multiple safety features that ensure the warheads don't accidentally detonate.

Arming the weapons requires a number of stringent protocols and authentication codes that must be followed for detonation. And they are designed to withstand a significant impact, including an aircraft crash, without detonating.

The Air Combat Command has ordered a command-wide stand down on Sept. 14 to review procedures, officials said. They said there was minimal risk to crews and the public because of safety features designed into the munitions."

--How scary is this? And the Air Combat Command has been given a command standdown and they even announce the date.

Kathy

[Tim Gratz]

--How scary is this?

Rather scary I should say.

Also scary: that anyone could link this to 9-11.

[Kathleen Collins]

--How scary is this?

Rather scary I should say.

Also scary: that anyone could link this to 9-11.

Scary? No. I have great powers of reasoning, as all will attest.

But really, Tim, what if those bombs had been dropped? And now they're going to have a standdown? A standdown was in effect on 9/11. That's why it's scary. Suppose we need them that day.

Kathy

[Tim Gratz]

And now they're going to have a standdown? A standdown was in effect on 9/11. That's why it's scary. Suppose we need them that day.

Sorry, Kathleren, I just do not follow your reasoning. What does the fact (if it is a fact) that there was a "standdown" on 9/11 have to do with linking the two?

Edited September 6, 2007 by Tim Gratz

[William Kelly]

"Nuclear Bombs Mistakenly Flown Over US

By PAULINE JELINEK,AP

Posted: 2007-09-05 23:11:46

WASHINGTON (AP) - A B-52 bomber was mistakenly armed with six nuclear warheads and flown for more than three hours across several states last week, prompting an Air Force investigation and the firing of one commander, Pentagon officials said Wednesday. .........

Kathy

A good reminder of all the nuclear weapons 'out there' under the control of madmen [like W] who can order their being armed when he wishes, with little oversight, if any. No one knows who has the power to do so if he is 'unavailable' or COG is in effect and certain conditions met. They are rather crash-proof and won't go 'nuclear' if they crash, that is true.....and they are fairly tamper-proof from mid/upper-level military rogues or real terrorists activating them. What scares me is those who are officially authorized to issue their arming and use!..... There had been a proceedure back a few decades to slowly lower the number of these life-destroying and useless genocidal weapons, but then that all changed and the USA unilaterally decided it wanted not only to keep them all, but new and better ones......Perhaps even more scary is one story I remember when they did an inventory at Rocky Flats [where they tool the Uranium and Plutonium into the bomb parts and found about a ton 'unaccounted' for....where is THAT now?! [it only takes about 20Kg of Plutonium to make a bomb that could kill most everyone in New York City.] This is the insane world we live in now. Those in power have [to me] proven they are not to be trusted on anything and yet the 'show goes on' as if all were normal......the date of the stand-down is interesting....we will soon see.....

...as to the statement that 'at no time the public was in danger' the World Public is ALWAYS in danger until all of these weapons are dismantled and destroyed. Perhaps it is correct the public was no more in danger during the flight...but it is interesting that two warheads [each multiple warheads, by the way] were AWOL and no one knew......or did they...maybe someone had something in mind?......The tens of thousands of them are all over the USA and World..it is total madness and humankind nearing its own destruction on many 'fronts'.

This is a good example of how we don't need terrorists to steal a nuke, we shoot ourselves in the foot.

I've been researching two Broken Arrow - Nuke Accidents that occurred in my vacinity - Southern New Jersey - one a cargo plane transporting two nukes took off from Dover, Delaware and jetsoned the nuke cargo when they started to crash - and the two bombs are still in unknown location somewhere in the water off Cape May, New Jersey.

The other is closer to home - in mid-60s, at McGuire AFB/Ft. Dix, when a BOMARC - nuclear anti-missle missile caught fire from electrical malfunction and burned, melting its nuke warheads.

Of course we didn't have a nuke response team back then and the normal first responders handled it - the local volunteer fire company put it out with water, allowing the radioactive waste into the ground water.

Like I said, who needs terrorists when we have our own nuclear nuts.

BK

[Tim Gratz]

Good points, Bill!

[Evan Burton]

This is another thing that irks me; it almost seems like a tall-poppy syndrome.

Yes, an investigation should be held; how did a crew not know they were carrying nukes? Where were the controls?

But....

How many times has something like this happened in China? You'll probably never know, but I would bet the number is greater than zero.

Why don't people give the same scorn to other countries that make errors?

Goodness knows I don't like Bush, and Yanks can be a funny people at times... but why are they always the subject of attack? Do not other countries do wrong things? Do not other countries have intelligence services which aren't always squeaky clean?

Why on Earth does this have to be linked to 9/11? Why isn't it a simple (if I can misuse that word) stuff up by the USAF?

Mind you, if some shady characters from the Middle East are caught with explosives or such, with plans to commit a terrorist act, it becomes a "false flag operation" by the CIA.....

[Guest David Guyatt]

For me, this article sounds the bells of hypocrisy. I'm not attacking the US per se here, but just pointing out that this sort of domestic hue and cry over an event like this is exaggerated when taken into consideration with other similar events elsewhere in the world.

If they're too dangerous to fly over the US, then why aren't they too dangerous to fly over other friendly nations, or enter the harbours of other friendly nations?

Double standard it seems...

Maybe I'm just geting too tetchy in my dotage...

David

[Charles Drago]

IF Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and their puppetmasters can ever be FOUND GUILTY OF

PERPETRATING THE 911 ATROCITY, ARE YOU IN FAVOR OF ADMINISTERING THE

DEATH PENALTY? Some say it would wreck our nation if the president were sentenced

to death. I think it would make us respectable again.

19 anonymous arabs...or the Shrub? Whom does the evidence point to?

Jack

The death penalty is murder under any and all circumstances. It is, to use the term as David Ray Griffin defines and applies it in Christian Faith and the Truth Behind 9/11: A Call to Reflection and Action*, "creaturely demonic" in nature.

A simple question: Who respects murderers?

The answer to your "19 anonymous arabs [sic] ... or the Shrub" question:

NEITHER.

Charles

*This non-Christian highly recommends Griffin's most overlooked 9/11 volume to readers of all faiths -- including the faith of no faith.

Edited September 6, 2007 by Charles Drago

[Kathleen Collins]

Why on Earth does this have to be linked to 9/11? Why isn't it a simple (if I can misuse that word) stuff up by the USAF?

Mind you, if some shady characters from the Middle East are caught with explosives or such, with plans to commit a terrorist act, it becomes a "false flag operation" by the CIA.....

I link it to 9/11 because I believe the Elite of this country were behind 9/11 (as they were behind the Kennedy Assassination), and not Arabs, at least not alone.

Kathy

[Charles Drago]

What if there were no hypothetical situations?

Can we appreciate the first WTC attack, TWA 800, Oklahoma City as, in terms of loss of life, relatively modest (compared to 9/11) false flag provocations designed to goad the White House of the time into major retailation in the Middle East?

Bait not taken?

Charles

[Chuck Robbins]

My brother was a security specialist in the Air Force. His main duty was to walk the perimeter of a

Nuclear Bomb equipped Jet.

Yes, he carried an automatic rifle with which he could defend that Jet from a possible threat or

attack.

The question I always asked and which he would never answer directly was "how many rounds of

ammunition did you have to protect this jet?".

His answer was, and still is, "You wouldn't believe me if I told you.".

Coming from my brother, whom I know very well, this answer was and is not meant to be reassuring.

I hope I do not get arrested for giving out "state secrets" over this post.

I am no Terrorist nor am I a terrorist sympathizer.

What I am, however, is a concerned citizen who does not want to see any nukes used, whether that use

be accidental or by design.

[Len Colby]

My brother was a security specialist in the Air Force. His main duty was to walk the perimeter of a

Nuclear Bomb equipped Jet.

Yes, he carried an automatic rifle with which he could defend that Jet from a possible threat or

attack.

The question I always asked and which he would never answer directly was "how many rounds of

ammunition did you have to protect this jet?".

His answer was, and still is, "You wouldn't believe me if I told you.".

Coming from my brother, whom I know very well, this answer was and is not meant to be reassuring.

I hope I do not get arrested for giving out "state secrets" over this post.

I am no Terrorist nor am I a terrorist sympathizer.

What I am, however, is a concerned citizen who does not want to see any nukes used, whether that use

be accidental or by design.

Perhaps they had to be sparring with the ammo because they were paying some contractor $1000 a bullet. :lol:

Charles wrote:

Can we appreciate the first WTC attack, TWA 800, Oklahoma City as, in terms of loss of life, relatively modest (compared to 9/11) false flag provocations designed to goad the White House of the time into major retailation in the Middle East?

Bait not taken?

Lets see was the 1st attack a "false flag provocation designed to goad the White House of the time into major retailation in the Middle East?"

No, because it was blamed on terrorists living in the US not tied to a foreign government.

And OKC?

No, because it was blamed on home grown right-wing fanatics

And TWA800?

No because after initial speculation it exploded due a bomb or missile (a theory many people still subscribe to) it was blamed on an explosion of vapor in the main fuel tank.

In the 1st and last case the PTB easily could have framed a terrorist group supported by a foreign government for what happened but didn't. In the OKC bombing this would have been a very hard sell because Middle Eastern Terrorist groups would be expected to attack more emblematic targets.

[Len Colby]

Little known about the FIRST WTC bombing is well documented in a boo

called Triple Cross

by Peter Lance. He documents how the FBI had penetrated the plot [if not maybe provoked it...but lets just say they only penetrated it] and they were going to substitute real exposive for fake explosive, but did NOT......they didn't do that, though it seems they were in a position to! [or stop it altogether - they did neither!....interesting and not well known...in fact untouched information.

Peter did you actually read the book? That doesn’t seem to be what it says.

According to it’s Amazon review:

The story of the most dangerous triple–agent in US history, by intrepid investigative reporter Peter Lance.

Peter Lance, author of the highly acclaimed 1000 Years for Revenge and Cover Up, returns to uncover the story of Ali Mohamed–a trusted security advisor of Osama bin Laden who hoodwinked the United States for more than a decade. As Lance reveals for this first time, this one man served in a series of high–security position within the United States security establishment–as a Special Forces advisor, FBI informant, and CIA operative–while simultaneously helping orchestrate the al Qaeda campaign of terror that led to 9/11.

In October 2000, after tricking three U.S. intelligence agencies for almost two decades, Ali Mohamed appeared in handcuffs and a blue prison jumpsuit in a Federal District courtroom on Manhattan's Lower East Side, where he pleaded guilty five times. His crimes included brokering terror summits, financing an attack on two Black Hawk helicopters, training jihadis in improvised bomb building and the creation of secret cells. And yet for decades Mohamed had lived the life of a Silicon Valley computer executive. How did this evildoer move in and out of and around the U.S.? How did he become a naturalized citizen, marry an American woman and infiltrate three of America's top intelligence agencies–the CIA, the Defense Intelligence Agency and the FBI? With utter complacence, ruthlessness, and ease, and with no small amount of oversight from the outflanked U.S. intelligence community.

From the Able Danger scandal of the Clinton Administration to today's CIA Leakgate, Mohamed appears at nearly every crucial turn of America's terror probes. An important final piece to the 9/11 investigation, Triple Cross penetrates Mohamed's secret past and the dark reaches of Al Qaeda to reveal the danger that still threatens America–and the staggering errors of America's homeland security.

http://www.amazon.com/Triple-Cross-Penetra...5104&sr=8-1

Customer reviews confirm that this was the thrust of the book. It’s only negative review came from a truther who called it a “limited hangout”

[William Kelly]

Was a Covert Attempt to Bomb Iran foiled by a Military Leak?

http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Fron...9/07/01751.html