For Mike Williams

[Thomas H. Purvis]

Mike;

You, not unlike others, entered this forum without sufficiently doing your "homework" on anything.

Which includes JFK assassination research as well as research into the factual background of those who now or have previously posted here.

Not only that, but you also immediately accepted as fact the qualifications of those who I long ago exposed as "Faithful Followers of Dangerous Dan Marvin/aka wannabee's who know nothing", as well as those who have somewhat "embellished" upon their training, etc;

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Professionals like Carrier and Sherry Feister are just mere idiots, although they managed to build a whole career around buffaloing folks.

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Rest assured that were my "research" capability as inept as yours would appear to be, and had I been stupid enough to "lap" of the BS as fed to you by "Dangerous Dan" Marvin, then I to would be somewhat reluctant to discuss the subject matter as well.

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16, RE: Marvin on Pitzer: Error & Embellishment

Posted by Al Carrier

No Bob, he is a retired commissioned officer with the United States Army Special Forces and his title would be Lt. Col. Daniel Marvin, USA Retired. A formal address to show respect for what he has done and earned is Lt. Col. Marvin, or Col. Marvin. But you wouldn't understand that as it is not taught at Dick Clark Productions.

Lt. Col. Marvin, Dr. Eaglesham and others have questioned my loyalty to you here and I can understand why many are challenging many things you post as there are those who are at odds with you on the inside. I am in no way versed enough in these issues that you are at odds with these people, but I continue to support and show respect for you for this simple reason. Please do not take offense, but I did check you out. I was curious because of the conflicts in issues you have here and felt it neccessary. Because of what I found of your background and the stand you are taking now on the issues of SE Asia operations, I have to believe in what you are saying because it makes no sense for you to be motivated to fabricate. I felt it was worth the effort because you are one of so few who have came forward with critical issues, and we both know that there are so many who could.

I mean no disrespect to Dr. Eaglesham with this as he also appears to be a man of honor and great knowlege. He has said in the past that his degree is unrelated and the title of Doctor is not necessary, but I am from the old school and believe in respecting ones accomplishments by way of addressing them for what they earned.

Lt. Col. Marvin, if you do take offense to me looking into your background, you should consider that I am aware you have also checked me out and I not only do not take offense to that, I respect your thoroughness.

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No Al, he is a retired Lieutenant Colonel in the U.S. Army whose correct title is Dan Marvin, LTC Retired,

U.S. Army Quartermaster Supply Corps. (QMC).

GOT THAT!

Your great research capability should have told you that Special Forces did not become a career branch for officers until some time after the failed helicopter rescue of hostages in Iran, which was a considerable number of years after your "HERO" Dangrous Dan Marvin had retired.

Perhaps you can get someone to assist you in looking up exactly what activities it is that Quartermaster Supply Corps Officers are normally engaged in, as well as providing a little background as to why LTC Marvin wishes to misrepresent his career branch.

Had you further continued to "check out" LTC Dangerous Dan Marvin, you would have easily found many, many, items of absolute and pure BS, which should have indicated to anyone with even the "smurf" size extent of common sense that Dangerous Dan would in fact be quite dangerous. At least to himself!

As example:

1. I do believe that Dangerous Dan at one point makes reference to how "earmuff" charges are utilized to blow up earthen dams.

Both the Engineer School at Ft. Belvoir as well as the SF Engineer Course at Ft. Bragg would be highly interested in this revelation.

Since all known and published doctrine will state that an "earmuff" charge is worthless on an earthen structure, they would no doubt want to seek Dangerous Dan's method of demolition in which he achieved this unique example of usage of explosives.

Had you either known anything, or bothered to check this one out, not unlike a witness on the stand who has lost some credibility, Dangerous Dan's credibility rating would begin to take a nose dive.

2. I do believe that Dangerous Dan makes reference to the SADM device, and thereafter talks about how it was transported down in some 3/4 ton truck, etc; and that the "timer" was out of some washing machine type timer, etc.

Get Real!

Any idiot would recognize the BS in that one.

First off: I carry a Nuclear Weapons Officer skill rating, and I have never had my hands on a live nuke.

Not to mention having one driven down for me to look at by someone riding down the road in a 3/4 ton army truck.

Nuke security is tight. And if you want to get immediately shot, try to get around one.

Secondly: is the US Military Service supposed to employ the "Maytag Repairman" to ride along on missions in event the washing machine "timer" has trouble?

Dangeous Dan, had obviously "heard" the stories, and thereafter did not even bother to verify what they were about, just as you have not.

The "Timer" is in fact a combination Timer/Detonator/and PAL (Permissive Action Link) which prevents the weapon from being detonated by anyone other than those persons who are in possession of the security code to open the detonator train.

And, you can rest assured that this portion of the device did not come from the "Maytag" washing machine factory.

Thirdly: Your "Hero" references his attempt to insert a SADM by MFF (Military Free Fall/HALO) insertion into a denied area to blow up the Aswan Dam.

WHOA BOY, do I really love this one.

A. His HALO experience is absolutely "NIL", with the exception of being around the Parachute Rigger shed where the parachutes were packed.

B. Even after having graduated from the 5-week HALO/MFF school, one is still a "novice" and must thereafter continue with multiple training exercises with his team, their equipment, etc; etc; etc.

C. Jumping the SADM requires the absolute utmost in HALO experience due to the weight of the package.

In fact, some persons can not even jump it due to their body configuration and the added speed to free fall which it gives to the person carrying the device.

D. Your "Hero" references how he would jump the device and thereafer, utilizing his front hands for control, "glide" towards the target.-------YIKES!

First off, a covert HALO insertion is normally carried out at night. Not too sneaky with all of those opened canopies in the air during daylight hours.

Secondly, Unless on some friendly terms with the enemy, it is unlikely that the target will be sufficiently lighted enough that one can distinguish it in the dark.

Thirdly, The likelihood that anyone carrying the weight of a SADM device can do anything other than "fall" is quite slim, as it is somewhat difficult, with this added weight, to even manage to fall flat and stable.

Fourthly, the "Glide" to target concept goes against all military doctrine for MFF operations, in which no one is supposed to "fly/glide" around in the air.

To do so risk collision with other falling team members, therefore taking yourself as well as your team member OUT, and saving the enemy the trouble.

HALO/MFF concept is to exit as a team, fall flat and stable, open at the same altitudes, and then come together as a group (grouping) while under canopy, in order to attempt to land in a relatively close proximity to one another, it has absolutely nothing to do with "gliding" to a target.

And were one to "glide" to the target and thus open, who knows where they would land, as the old MFF canopies placed the jumper entirely at the mercy of the wind, which fequently "drifted" one a long, long way.

E. As to insertion of a nuke device into a denied area, LTC Marvin should have read up a little more on the subject matter prior to attempting to sell this BS.

Exactly what kind of idiot is it that thinks that we would allow a nuclear device to be inserted into a denied area, without some security forces on the ground to safeguard the device.

Otherwise, it would be somewhat like merely handing over a nuke to the enemy.

This one is an absolute NO BRAINER!.

Prior to any type insertion of a tactical nuclear weapon, at minimum, half of the Team would be inserted to provide physical security for the device upon it's insertion. And in all liklihood, an entire Team would be required for this security.

F. Nevertheless, let's continue with "Dangerous Dan's) scenario in which he places the device and sets the "Maytag Timer" which continues to function properly and therefore eliminates the need to insert the "Maytag Repairman" to fix it.

Absolutely NO team member contains the PAL security code which will allow the detonator train to be activated.

This can be acquired from only the highest COMMAND, and although the device could have been inserted a considerable length of time prior to implementation, secure COMMO is required in order to receive the PAL Security Code before the device can be armed.

G. Nevertheless, should "Dangerous Dan" manage to achieve all that he thinks he can, then he truely becomes "DANGEROUS" when he, in his targeting plan, ends up creating a nuclear cloud of radioactive particles, dust, etc, which would be so large as to enter the upper atmosphere and be carried to numerous surrounding countries, as well as possibley our own shores.

Now, we know exactly why and how "Dangerous Dan" got his handle.

The single most efficient utilization of any explosive device to take out a dam, is utilized on the WATER side of the dam.

The water, since it will not compress, assists in directing the majority of the force against the structure.

Not only this, but it creates virtually NO fallout cloud for contamination of foreign countries.

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Now Big Al, if you had even the "smurf smidget" of research capability, then you would have known that "Dangerous Dan" has a severe credibility problem with those of us who just may know a little on the subject matter.

That you can not even see through the BS of Dangerous Dan, which is easily researched, would appear to demonstrate a severe lack of factual research capability.

And, from where those of us who have actually "been there" see this, it demonstrates the "know nothing" capability of anyone who has fallen for the Dangerous Dan storyline.

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Al Carrier Wed Sep-25-02 03:58 PM

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#4036, "RE: Mannlicher-Carcano 91/38 6.5 mm in general"

In response to Reply # 5

Hey Chris.

What you are referring to here is the gravitation pull effect that I have reported on several times on the forum. I was first trained to compensate for this at The Scout Sniper School at the Marathon Station in the keys over twenty years ago.

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Now! Neither Gerry P. Hemming, nor I am aware of some obviously "covert" Scout Sniper School at Marathon Station (Marathon Key) in Florida, where U.S. Army MP's are sent to become shooters.

Which by the way brings out the question? Is this where you obtained your "Scout Sniper" qualification as well, or did the USMC actually send you to the true Scout Sniper School.

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So, as a "Follower/Believer" of the great shooter Al Carrier (and his "Canyon Shoot" BS), this would, by association it is assumed also make you a follower of the "Dangerous Dan Marvin" line of BS'er's as well?

Now!

This forum is not the "Spanky & Our Gang" grouping over on Lancer.

And, although there are those here (as at Lancer and elsewhere) who will believe about anything and/or anyone who comes up with anything against the US Government complicity in the assassination, along with mythological multiple assassins; body snatchers and wound alterations specialists, and most anything else that by far exceeds the realms of reality, there are also some pretty intelligent researchers here as well.

And, rest assured, were my "credentials" not sufficent as well as my research that lacking, then I would have been "LNer'd" off this forum long ago by persons who far exceeded anything which you may think that you know about the assassination.

As example, your work on the "Carcano Clip" over on Lancer has gained you your own following of "believers".

However, if you will actually conduct a little research here on the "Education Forum", then you will find that here too I long ago demonstrated that I can make a Carcano Clip hang up EVERY SINGLE TIME; make a Carcano clip fall out EVERY SINGLE TIME;, or if so desired, make the clip merely hang until the last round/casing is ejected from the chamber and the "Clip Release Button" within the trigger housing is pressed.

So, other than your proclaimed ability with a rifle, you entered this forum with a severe lack of credibility in judgement of whom to and not to believe, as well as a severely lacking ability to determine factual information.

Which I might add goes right along with an obviously complete failure to examine the WC's presented evidence, as well as a study and examination of the other forensic; ballistic; pathological; and physical evidence.

In other, and simple words, you, not unlike and entire flock of other "sheeples", have merely believed what you have been told, without expending the effort to verify for yourself the actual facts of what is stated.

There mere fact that you have apparantly never given consideration that just perhaps the WC was not telling us the facts and truths in regards to THE SHOT THAT MISSED, is clear evidence that you are severely lacking in the ability to think for yourself.

Which may tend to demonstrate exactly why I was in Special Forces, and you spent a career in the USMC.

P.S. Perhaps, had Al Carrier actually known anything (Which Bill Miller accepts and believes the Al Carrier/CSI---BS), then he would have known and understood the direct correlation between the shallow depth of penetration of JFK's back wound, that the base of CE399 is deformed to 4mm X 7mm in size; that the "puncture" type wound in the back of JFK measured exactly 4mm X 7mm in size and had relatively clean cut edges; that the entering bullet carried with it, down into the wound of entry, considerable cloth from the coat and shirt of JFk, while also "punching' out a hole in the shirt, which not unlike the wound in JFK's back, exactly matches the dimensional form and outline of the base of CE399.

And, as an "old shooter" who is quite familiar with "wadcutter" bullets, it does not take even a "fifth grader" to resolve exactly which end of CE399 struck JFK in the back.

Which by the way, you also apparantly neglected to investigate!

So! Irrelevant as to your (or for that matter my) credentials, why not amaze us with your knowledge of the facts of the JFK assassination.

P.P.S. Might I advise that you watch out, as those who have been here long enough and know the protocal for factual research, can easily recognize BS!

[Thomas H. Purvis]

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Son Tay, and the whole McDonald mess lends to credibility. Im sure you can figure this out with a little effort.

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http://www.thejeffreymacdonaldcase.com/html/contact.html

Anyone who so desires can email Christina and ask her about exactly what "Tom Purvis" may or may not know in regards to the Jeffrey MacDonald murders and "Bragg" at that time.

Since Christina is considered a "good friend" if she has any reluctance, just tell here to email me (which address she most certainly has).

And, I would recommend her book to anyone who has interest in "obfuscation" of evidence in ANY murder investigation.

P.S. David

Jeffrey MacDonald was bound over for trial (Grand Jury) as well as convicted, primarily on the BS testimony of FBI Agent Paul Strombaugh who was retired from the FBI (as a hair & fiber expert), yet made his living as an "Expert Witness" in testitying about how crimes transpired. (He had never been a crime scene investigator in his life).

Strombaugh's unchallanged testimony before the Grand Jury is primarily what convinced them to bind MacDonald over for trial.

This testimony/story was so full of holes that he/Strombaugh changed it during the actual trial, and yet his assertions in regards to the ice pick puncture wounds of Colette MacDonald could be made to perfectly align with multiple icepick holes in the pajama top of Jeffrey MacDonald, were the convincing item in conviction of Jeffrey MacDonald.

Which testimony has been clearly demonstrated as being incorrect/BS.

So! FBI Agent Paul Strombaugh is the direct link between the JFK assassination and the Dr. Jeffrey MacDonald conviction.

Any "Challenges" to this credibility issue??????????

Shall I waste more "air space" on the Son Tay Raid?

[Mike Regan]

Hi Mike,

After reading that blast directed at you by Tom Purvis, just wanted to let you know that you've got my full support... Hands down, you have more experience, more objectivity, more training and, most importantly, more "Common Sense" than many of the rest combined.... And definitely, out of respect for my father who did his Army infantry tour against the Japs in WW II, in many cases alongside Marines, wouldn't want to bad mouth the Army but will say that if a four man team of "United States Marine Corps Force Recon" was put up against a four man team of "United States Army Special Forces"...? There would be bloodied Green Berets, caps and all, lying from one end of the battle field to the other within quite the short time. And the four Marines would be sitting nearby enjoying a smoke. This one's for you, Tom... "Those Marines wouldn't be "bragging" about their feat"

There are about a dozen of them, and their greatest enjoyment is to hi-jack any thread containing posts which appeal to any form of "Common Sense"... They're a bunch of self-proclaimed experts who, frankly, would amaze me if they could figure out where to wipe after their morning poop. Much less find out who assassinated President Kennedy (Not that they really care)...

And if you're looking for decorum or a sense of mutual respect...? Forget it... These guys have controlled this topic for years and they're not about to give up their reign.

Come close to the truth, or threaten their basic theory that the government was involved in the actual shooting (Though the government, surely, was involved in a cover-up), watch out, because they go into attack mode. Tell them that the logistics and keeping umpteen co-conspirators quiet for forty five years, alone, would eliminate such a theory and they go bananas. Or toward whatever else which might make sense.

These few guys do not want the truth. They want to be on this forum until the day they die because it's the only thing they've got that represents some sort of life. They jump from one ridiculous theory to the next like frogs toward the next lily pad...

Give your family a hug and "DO NOT" let these twirps get under your skin.

Know in your heart that you're a "Class Act"..... "And Thank You For Your Service"

Catch ya' later

&

"Semper Fi",

Mike Regan

And, Tom, as you read this, just want to share with you a bit about the Marine Corps... Whether a guy is Force Recon, a Truck Driver, a Pilot, a Cook, other Infantry, etc., etc., when we meet in the "Slop Shoot" (Bar) at the end of a day we are all, simply put, Marines. And we all know that. No matter what everyone's job is, or what an individual's training has been, we'll share a joke or two, a few tales about the babes and buy each other a beer. There are no elite Marines within the Marine Corps. No special caps, no special uniforms, an occasional pin maybe but, after all is said and done, we regard each other as fellow Marines. Guys who would good naturedly keep the rivalry going between the Services but never, ever, lambast, ridicule and attempt to humiliate a fellow Veteran within a public furum, or in public at all. And we take care of each other...We've all, no matter what the Service, and in one way or another, "Been through the ringer"... Just needed to be said.

To close, Tom, can only repeat what I said to Mike Williams..... "Thank You For Your Service"

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For anyone else reading this post, just dropped in to assist a good man who had backed me up earlier on. Without a doubt this time, I'm out of here ...

For good.

And if any of you ever get to be President be sure to wear a football helmet if your motorcade winds up in Dallas... I believe that Jarman's buddy, Charles "Slim" Givens (A probable instigator...), is still on the loose...

"Happy Hunting", "Best Of Luck" & "God Bless",

Mike

Edited July 20, 2008 by Mike Regan

[Otto B Cornejo]

Hi Mike,

After reading that blast directed at you by Tom Purvis, just wanted to let you know that you've got my full support...

Mike -

I spend most of my time in the rafters here because I don't have (nor desire) the kind of experience that most hard-core researchers have. But I am fascinated by the beguiling amount of information that gets brought forth on a day to day basis, and not just about the events surrounding the JFK's assassination but also about history or current events in general.

It seems to me Mike that you're in a position not unlike the people you condemn, that is, you have solid beliefs about what happened when, and you are prepared to use language and takes sides in the same manner that others might against you. You side with some and scoff and others.

When you say, "Common Sense", whose common sense are you speaking of? When you say "Come close to the truth", whose truth are you speaking of?

Isn't your use of phrases like, "and they go bananas", "Do Not let these twerps get under you skin" the kind of hysterical and attacking speech you would accuse someone else of using if it were levied against you?

I have read posts by Mike Williams which seemed over-the-top and could be construed as bullying, and without provocation. Often he seems to calm down and then carry on in a polite way. But he is far from perfect.

And so are many others, regardless of what position they take on the events surrounding JFK's assassination. It's a subject that touches the nerve in people worldwide, thus heated exchanges are to be expected. This forum, for the most part, yields far more good than bad in my opinion - if you look for the good.

Otto

[David G. Healy]

Hi Mike,

After reading that blast directed at you by Tom Purvis, just wanted to let you know that you've got my full support... Hands down, you have more experience, more objectivity, more training and, most importantly, more "Common Sense" than many of the rest combined.... And definitely, out of respect for my father who did his Army infantry tour against the Japs in WW II, in many cases alongside Marines, wouldn't want to bad mouth the Army but will say that if a four man team of "United States Marine Corps Force Recon" was put up against a four man team of "United States Army Special Forces"...? There would be bloodied Green Berets, caps and all, lying from one end of the battle field to the other within quite the short time. And the four Marines would be sitting nearby enjoying a smoke.

There are about a dozen of them, and their greatest enjoyment is to hi-jack any thread containing posts which appeal to any form of "Common Sense"... They're a bunch of self-proclaimed experts who, frankly, would amaze me if they could figure out where to wipe after their morning poop. Much less find out who assassinated President Kennedy.

And if you're looking for decorum or a sense of mutual respect...? Forget it... These guys have controlled this topic for years and they're not about to give up their reign.

Come close to the truth, or threaten their basic theory that the government was involved in the actual shooting (Though the government, surely, was involved in a cover-up), watch out, because they go into attack mode. Tell them that the logistics and keeping umpteen co-conspirators quiet for forty five years, alone, would eliminate such a theory and they go bananas. Or toward whatever else which might make sense.

These few guys do not want the truth. They want to be on this forum until the day they die because it's the only thing they've got that represents some sort of life. They jump from one ridiculous theory to the next like frogs toward the next lily pad...

Give your family a hug and "DO NOT" let these twerps get under your skin.

And know in your heart that you're a "Class Act"

Catch ya' later

&

"Semper Fi",

Mike Regan

And, Tom, as you read this, just want to share with you a bit about the Marine Corps... Whether a guy is Force Recon, a Truck Driver, a Pilot, a Cook, other Infantry, etc., etc., when we meet in the "Slop Shoot" (Bar) at the end of a day we are all, simply put, Marines. And we all know that. No matter what everyone's job is, or what an individual's training has been, we'll share a joke or two, a few tales about the babes and buy each other a beer. There are no elite Marines within the Marine Corps. No special caps, no special uniforms, an occasional pin maybe but, after all is said and done, we regard each other as fellow Marines. Guys who would good naturedly keep the rivalry going between the Services but never, ever, lambast or attempt to humiliate a fellow Veteran within a public furum, or in public at all. And we take care of each other...We've all, Tom, no matter what the Service, and in one way or another, "Been through the ringer"... Just needed to be said.

nice dodge, chum.... the old mine is bigger than yours gig, eh? So listen up -- this isn't Lancer, we understand your devotion to Bill "BM" Miller, we also understand you have to bail him out when he gets his back to the corner...... Whining won't get you anywhere, any more than 4 or 24 years in the Corps got you anywhere when it comes to the JFK assassination. That IS why your here, right?....

Nothing beats nose-to-the-grind stone research, eh? Either one of you Mikes had the pleasure of seeing the *original* Zapruder film?

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TomP. -- nope and thanks for the update...

The above 4 on 4 sounds like a bad barroom beef..... have a bit more drama if it was one Marine (with one arm tied behind his back, of course) kicking 4 SOF asses... LMFAO! Considering our ages, I'd say its a pearls before swine gig!

Edited May 17, 2008 by David G. Healy

[Otto B Cornejo]

nice dodge, chum.... the old mine is bigger than yours gig, eh? So listen up -- this isn't Lancer, we understand your devotion to Bill "BM" Miller, we also understand you have to bail him out when he gets his back to the corner...... Whining won't get you anywhere, any more than 4 or 24 years in the Corps got you anywhere when it comes to the JFK assassination. That IS why your here, right?....

Nothing beats nose-to-the-grind stone research, eh? Either one of you Mikes had the pleasure of seeing the *original* Zapruder film?

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TomP. -- nope and thanks for the update...

The above 4 on 4 sounds like a bad barroom beef..... have a bit more drama if it was one Marine (with one arm tied behind his back, of course) kicking 4 SOF asses... LMFAO! Considering our ages, I'd say its a pearls before swine gig!

Well, it seems like this has been going on between y'all for some time, and in other places.

I'll just fly up to my rafters again...

cheers -

[David G. Healy]

nice dodge, chum.... the old mine is bigger than yours gig, eh? So listen up -- this isn't Lancer, we understand your devotion to Bill "BM" Miller, we also understand you have to bail him out when he gets his back to the corner...... Whining won't get you anywhere, any more than 4 or 24 years in the Corps got you anywhere when it comes to the JFK assassination. That IS why your here, right?....

Nothing beats nose-to-the-grind stone research, eh? Either one of you Mikes had the pleasure of seeing the *original* Zapruder film?

**********

TomP. -- nope and thanks for the update...

The above 4 on 4 sounds like a bad barroom beef..... have a bit more drama if it was one Marine (with one arm tied behind his back, of course) kicking 4 SOF asses... LMFAO! Considering our ages, I'd say its a pearls before swine gig!

Well, it seems like this has been going on between y'all for some time, and in other places.

I'll just fly up to my rafters again...

cheers -

nah.... not a good idea Otto. That's what Lone Nutters not only DO, but want..... Steal threads and divert attention. They can not, with any state of reasonableness, defend the Warren Commission Report. Complete state of denial...

[Bernie Laverick]

Hi Mike,

After reading that blast directed at you by Tom Purvis, just wanted to let you know that you've got my full support... Hands down, you have more experience, more objectivity, more training and, most importantly, more "Common Sense" than many of the rest combined.... And definitely, out of respect for my father who did his Army infantry tour against the Japs in WW II, in many cases alongside Marines, wouldn't want to bad mouth the Army but will say that if a four man team of "United States Marine Corps Force Recon" was put up against a four man team of "United States Army Special Forces"...? There would be bloodied Green Berets, caps and all, lying from one end of the battle field to the other within quite the short time. And the four Marines would be sitting nearby enjoying a smoke.

There are about a dozen of them, and their greatest enjoyment is to hi-jack any thread containing posts which appeal to any form of "Common Sense"... They're a bunch of self-proclaimed experts who, frankly, would amaze me if they could figure out where to wipe after their morning poop. Much less find out who assassinated President Kennedy.

And if you're looking for decorum or a sense of mutual respect...? Forget it... These guys have controlled this topic for years and they're not about to give up their reign.

Come close to the truth, or threaten their basic theory that the government was involved in the actual shooting (Though the government, surely, was involved in a cover-up), watch out, because they go into attack mode. Tell them that the logistics and keeping umpteen co-conspirators quiet for forty five years, alone, would eliminate such a theory and they go bananas. Or toward whatever else which might make sense.

These few guys do not want the truth. They want to be on this forum until the day they die because it's the only thing they've got that represents some sort of life. They jump from one ridiculous theory to the next like frogs toward the next lily pad...

Give your family a hug and "DO NOT" let these twirps get under your skin.

Know in your heart that you're a "Class Act"..... "And Thank You For Your Service"

Catch ya' later

&

"Semper Fi",

Mike Regan

And, Tom, as you read this, just want to share with you a bit about the Marine Corps... Whether a guy is Force Recon, a Truck Driver, a Pilot, a Cook, other Infantry, etc., etc., when we meet in the "Slop Shoot" (Bar) at the end of a day we are all, simply put, Marines. And we all know that. No matter what everyone's job is, or what an individual's training has been, we'll share a joke or two, a few tales about the babes and buy each other a beer. There are no elite Marines within the Marine Corps. No special caps, no special uniforms, an occasional pin maybe but, after all is said and done, we regard each other as fellow Marines. Guys who would good naturedly keep the rivalry going between the Services but never, ever, lambast, ridicule and attempt to humiliate a fellow Veteran within a public furum, or in public at all. And we take care of each other...We've all, no matter what the Service, and in one way or another, "Been through the ringer"... Just needed to be said.

To close, Tom, can only repeat what I said to Mike Williams..... "Thank You For Your Service"

___________________________________________________________________________

For anyone else reading this post, just dropped in to assist a good man who had backed me up earlier on. Without a doubt this time, I'm out of here ...

For good.

And if any of you ever get to be President be sure to wear a football helmet if your motorcade winds up in Dallas... I think Charles Givens is still on the loose...

"Happy Hunting", "Best Of Luck" & "God Bless",

Mike

Too obvious....

[Thomas H. Purvis]

The post is in regards to credibility of the individual.

It constitutes:

(A) An individual who claims expertise with a rifle, who claim 24 or so years of service in the USMC, who has taken the side of individuals who have been clearly demonstrated (on this forum) to be the followers of idiots;(LTC Dangerous Dan Marvin) misrepresenatives of their "Scout Sniper"/Military shooting background; as well as those who write papers in which at least two of their most notable cited references are in total disagreement with what is stated, and who has ignored all other forms of "hard" evidence.

Thus basing a supposition on looking at what we see in the Z-film while every single piece of forensic; ballistic; pathological; and physical evidence, which totally negates the supposition, has been ignored.

Vs.

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The first person to provide absolute proof of altered Warren Commission Evidence.

The first person to clearly demonstrate exactly how fraudulent the WC assassination re-enactment was.

The first person to provide ALL information relative to the various survey's and survey plats in Dealy Plaza as done for Time/Life; the US Secret Service; The FBI; and the Warren Commission.

Apparantly the only person who posts on this forum who has:

1. Spoken with and had written communications with FBI Agent Robert Frazier (in regards to CE399 & clothing examination)

2. Spoken with FBI Agent Henry Heiberger (in regards to clothing examination)

3. Spoken with FBI Agent John Gallagher (in regards to the NAA)

4. Spoken extensively with Dr. Boswell in regards to the autopsy and wounds of JFK.

5. Spoken with Dr. Malcolm Perry in regards to the neck wound/tracheotomy incision on JFK.

6. Spoken with various nurses of Parkland Hospital who were present.

7. Communicated extensively with US Senator David Boren to ellicit and insure his support for the JFK Records Act.

8. Got six varioius makes and models of the Carcano sitting in my closet in order to factually discuss these weapons.

9. Has a relatively "strong" background training in covert operations.

10. Has pieced together much of the "connections" of the Oswald family from the Mississippi coast to New Orleans.

(for which I often have received complimentary emails from some of the "top guns" of true research.

11. Fill in the blank:___________________________________________________________

Now! The primary reason that such as the above was accomplished is due to the fact that very little time was wasted in the "rabbit holes" of the Al Carrier's; and Sherry ???????'s of the world.

To include every other BSer who comes down the pike and thinks that they know something about the assassination of JFK because they have read some COS (Crock of S**T) book or two.

It is of course recognized that there are those here who will follow and "swear by" "A" above, and, that is quite understandable of the human species.

Once one has "committed" to a concept, there are few things more difficult than looking oneself in the mirror and accepting that they have been severely stupid and mislead.

So, were I stupid enough to have fallen for and/or believed the "BS" (and that is not for Blood Spatter) presented in the BS (that is for Blood Spatter), as well as committed myself as a "faithful follower" of someone else who were themselves stupid enough to fall for this, and/or have fallen for the "Dangerous Dan Marvin" crock of S, then I too would most probably go to my grave following this same supportive attitude.

Far better than having to look onself in the mirror and accept stupidity.

Some of us who have also been "BSer's (Bull Shooters), are not necessarily "BSer's" (Bull Sh**ter's) as well.

[Bill Miller]

After reading that blast directed at you by Tom Purvis, just wanted to let you know that you've got my full support... Hands down, you have more experience, more objectivity, more training and, most importantly, more "Common Sense" than many of the rest combined....

Could not have said things better. Purvis comes across as someone who feels that he must be right regardless of the total evidence. One photographer says he took his photo and was going to wind his camera when he the first shot sounded ... the other took his photo upon hearing a shot, but yet Purvis places the first shot beyond the witnesses statements. From what contact I have had with Mike ... he seems to have a fair sense of balance when going over the evidence - - - something seldom found on this forum.

[Bill Miller]

nice dodge, chum.... the old mine is bigger than yours gig, eh? So listen up -- this isn't Lancer, we understand your devotion to Bill "BM" Miller, we also understand you have to bail him out when he gets his back to the corner...... Whining won't get you anywhere, any more than 4 or 24 years in the Corps got you anywhere when it comes to the JFK assassination. That IS why your here, right?....

Nothing beats nose-to-the-grind stone research, eh? Either one of you Mikes had the pleasure of seeing the *original* Zapruder film?

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TomP. -- nope and thanks for the update...

The above 4 on 4 sounds like a bad barroom beef..... have a bit more drama if it was one Marine (with one arm tied behind his back, of course) kicking 4 SOF asses... LMFAO! Considering our ages, I'd say its a pearls before swine gig!

David ... did you go to school to learn to post such idiocy or were you just born with this talent?

[Bill Miller]

nah.... not a good idea Otto. That's what Lone Nutters not only DO, but want..... Steal threads and divert attention. They can not, with any state of reasonableness, defend the Warren Commission Report. Complete state of denial...

Is the above a confession? I invite anyone to read the last 25 responses you have given, David ... and then read what you said above to see if the term 'the kettle calling a pot black' can be traced back to the Healy clan.

By the way ... is someone who has posted that they don't believe in alteration and that the have seen no proof of alteration .... all in the same thread a LNr or a CTs ... or just form of a hermaphrodite in the research community. (sigh~)

Bill Miller

[Thomas H. Purvis]

After reading that blast directed at you by Tom Purvis, just wanted to let you know that you've got my full support... Hands down, you have more experience, more objectivity, more training and, most importantly, more "Common Sense" than many of the rest combined....

Could not have said things better. Purvis comes across as someone who feels that he must be right regardless of the total evidence. One photographer says he took his photo and was going to wind his camera when he the first shot sounded ... the other took his photo upon hearing a shot, but yet Purvis places the first shot beyond the witnesses statements. From what contact I have had with Mike ... he seems to have a fair sense of balance when going over the evidence - - - something seldom found on this forum.

Purvis comes across as someone who feels that he must be right regardless of the total evidence.

For the record, let me offer you the same opportunity with was offered to/challenged to Ken Rahn as well as John McAdams.

"Debunk" the forensic; ballistic; pathological; and physical facts as to how CE399 came to exist and the wounds in JFK which it is responsible for.

"Total Evidence" from an obvious total idiot who claims to have researched this subject matter for 25 years, yet still has no idea as to what many of the witness statements say; the conflicts of some photographic evidence; the manipulations of the variious surveys and data; has never figured out that Mr. Robert West was a key witness in understanding the WC manipulations; has apparantly never even taken the time and effort to speak with critical Parkland personnel (even though you live right there in Dallas);, and then "jumps" for and believes the BS of the Al Carrier's and Sherry ???? of the world,

DOES NOT reflect too well on your understanding of the TOTAL EVIDENCE.

he seems to have a fair sense of balance when going over the evidence -

First off! Reading a few Crock of S**t books related to the JFK assassination, hardly constitutes reserch into the evidence.

If and when he ever actually begins to study and evaluate the ballistic evidence, I would personally expect that he will inform you as to exactly how little you actually know.

Secondly! I personally would not give that much credence and credibility to someone who judged me, who himself is apparantly slightly "off balance" in having to attempt to pass oneself off as being a "Researcher" who has studied the evidence for some 25 years and yet still knows virtually nothing.

So, a "Know-nothing", vouching for someone who has yet to learn anything, hardly constitutes a highly reliable source.

but yet Purvis places the first shot beyond the witnesses statements.

Is that so?

Just in case you were either sleeping or in continuation of your "research" into the witness statements and photographic evidence, (or more likely suffer reading comprehension problems)

Purvis states that the first shot was fired at approximately Z204 to Z206.

Which by the way, Purvis got from the Time/Life Survey Plat, which, with original film and absolute first generation copy of the Z-film, Time/Life had Mr. Robert West survey personnel mark on Elm St. as well as was drawn up on the Time/Life Survey Plat.

Now, in event that you were an actual "researcher", somewhere in that 25 years down in a rabbit hole, it should have dawned on you the critical importance of the survey work in Dealy Plaza.

And, since Mr. West died only a few years back, it makes one wander exactly what level of "researher" who actuall lives in Dallas, would have never recognized the importance of his various works and made some effort to contact and speak with him.

Personally, I drove all the way from Ft. Stockton, TX to visit with him.

Before we proceed any further!

Please state for the enjoyment of the reading public, as to whether the WC re-enactment photo which was meant to represent the James Altgens Z255 photo was taken from the same alignment as James Altgens actually took his photo from.

http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/...Vol18_0054a.htm

If not, then for the enjoyment of the reading public, please explain exactly why a person who claims to have studied the photographic evidence for some 25 years, never caught on to this and pointed it out?

On to "Purvis Says"!

Now, recognizing that the Survey Data is apparantly far over your head in understanding, can you figure the actual distance from the sixth floor window of the TSDB to the Zapruder positon?

Do you know the speed of sound*

(average computated speed without taking into consideration such items as air density, travelling agains wind, etc)

Can you compute the approximately elapsed frames of the Z-film from which time that a shot was fired until such time as the sound would have reached Zapruder and caused him to possibly "jiggle' his camera.

Have you ever wondered exactly why the WC "inadvertedly" forgot to print a few frames of the Z-film in the Z210 vicinity?

Have you ever looked at these now provided frames and checked out the apparant "blurring"?

Have you "subtracted" the elapsed frames from the speed of sound computation from the time of a shot to the time that the sound reached Zapruder and he may have reacted.

If so, then one will come up with the first shot having been fired at some point in approximately the Z205 to Z206 time frame, with approximately 5 elapsed frames of the fillm having passed before the sound reached Zapruder and caused him to react to the sound and thusly jerk and create blurred film frames in the Z210 vicinity.

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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/wcsbt.htm

MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD

FROM: Melvin A. Eisenberg

Subject: Conference of April 14, 1964, to determine which

frames in the Zapruder movies show the impact of

the first and second bullets

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A screening was held of the Zapruder film and of slides

prepared by LIFE from the film. Each slide corresponded with a

separate frame of film, beginning with frame 171. The consensus of

the meeting was as follows:

(a) The President had been definitely hit by frames 224-225,

when he emerges from behind a sign with his hands clutching his

throat.

( The reaction shown in frames 224-225 may have started at

an earlier point - possibly as early as frame 199 (when there appears

to be some jerkiness in his movement) or, with a higher degree of

possibility, at frames 204-206 (where his right elbow appears to be

raised to an artificially high position).

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Now! Is that not quite amazing?

The "jiggle/blurr" analysis says about Z205 to Z206

Time/Life, with the original Z-flim says about Z204/206.

And, guess who else states about "with a higher degree of possibility" Z204 to Z206.

Now, if one could only figure out exactly why the WC lied in regards to not having the Z-frames in the Z210 vicinity, as well as exactly why it was that they inadvertedly neglected to publish them for us all to see.

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Simply amazing what one can learn through a variety of means of research.

Now of course, the US Secret Service as well as the FBI, determined that JFK was definitely hit by the approximately Z213/Z215 zone.

So Miller, "debunk" away with all of your 25 years of research.

You truely need to stay awake in class Miller, and then you just may actually learn a thing or two!

Exactly when was it that you were eventually going to get around to providing something of relevance on the subject matter?

[Thomas H. Purvis]

Now!

In between declining employment offiers, which included:

1. Offer from the US State Department to travel to the Soviet Union to oversee construction of the new Embassy Building (the one filled with bugging devices had to be torn down)

2. Various offers from Vinnell Corporation to travel to the Middle East.

3. Various South American employment offers.

4. Employment offer installing surveillance devices at all Federal Buildings.

5. Employment offer as Escort Security for nuclear devices being transported.

I did also find the time (and funds) to accomplish another little task which history will ulitimately have to be the judge of as well.

The Oklahoma Land Run Centennial Commemorative Medallion was included with a "Land Run" scene which the Governor of the State of Oklahoma presented to the Governor's of all 50 states at a "Governor's Conference".

The Land Run Scene, with the one-ounce silver medallion enclosed and installed on a Centennial Issue US Post Card, purportedly hangs withinin the State Historical Society of each of the 50 states.

As I have frequently informed my two boys: Hell, anybody can be normal!

P.S. The youngest has a sack full of free-fall jumps from the 10,000 to 12.000 foot range.

Not likely that he will ever surpass the 29,500 ft high record his old man holds though.

[David G. Healy]

nah.... not a good idea Otto. That's what Lone Nutters not only DO, but want..... Steal threads and divert attention. They can not, with any state of reasonableness, defend the Warren Commission Report. Complete state of denial...

Is the above a confession? I invite anyone to read the last 25 responses you have given, David ... and then read what you said above to see if the term 'the kettle calling a pot black' can be traced back to the Healy clan.

By the way ... is someone who has posted that they don't believe in alteration and that the have seen no proof of alteration .... all in the same thread a LNr or a CTs ... or just form of a hermaphrodite in the research community. (sigh~)

Bill Miller

your sounding a lot like a Lone Nut-xxxxx that haunts alt.conspiracy.jfk. Ya not slumming are ya...