David Josephs

As most you know I've had my run ins with Ms Baker.

I wrote a piece which Jim D edited and put up asking some basic questions of the evidence offered.

It's important to understand how much support she got going back to her college days when George Smathers helped her out, then on to two CIA cover jobs while waiting to work in Cancer research...  Faked documents for income had been provided her in the past to cover for the true source of her allowances and support.

Regarding Anna Lewis, she says twice in her "JVB coached interview" that Oswald is in New Orleans between Jan and April 1962.

During those months Oswald is in Minsk.  So why wouldn't JVB correct her after making the mistake the first time? or was there really an Oswald in New Orleans in '62?

2) via Fetzer, Baker offers a W-2 from the IRS as proof she worked at Reilly and therefor knew Harvey.

Problem #1 - this is "Copy B" to be filed with the IRS, not Copy C which is kept by the taxpayer.  Why would she have the copy she filed with the IRS?

Problem #2 - the 1963 Withholding Tax forms look nothing like this one, copy B or C

Problem #3 - when JVB mistakenly claimed it to be a STATE form, we see it is not...

https://statick2k-5f2f.kxcdn.com/images/pdf/JudythBaker-DJ.pdf   is the piece we did... 

we talk of Edwin McGehee, Clinton, and why her story is so hard to reconcile.

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Mr Baer’s trawl of the files reveals that eight weeks before the assassination Oswald travelled(sic) to Mexico City and went to the Russian embassy there.

However, Mr Baer said: “There is damning evidence that he was not a lone wolf. I don’t think there was another shooter, but I think he was encouraged.”

He's putting a rifle into Oswald's hands based on forged evidence of a visit to Mexico City and the fact he spent time with Cubans.
Goes out of his way to say it was NOT the Russians...  it's as if the white Russian community he and his wife danced within didn't exit and in closer proximity to the actual deed.

[ Obviously written for propaganda purposes only. ]

10 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

 

 

In comparing the two photos (which alternate in this animated gif), it is my opinion that the two are not from the same negative. I believe two shots of Oswald were taken. The biggest giveaway is that Oswald's right shoulder is in different vertical positions. Perhaps he shifted his weight to his other foot between shots and this resulted in movement in the tilt of his shoulders.

It is also my opinion that the poorer of the two photos is actually a photostatic copy. This is given away by the copy's low quality, high contrast (which makes Oswald's hair look more receded), and optical bloom that can be readily seen in the tie.

Why would the Cubans have returned the application's carbon copy with a photocopy of the photo instead of the original? I have no idea.

 

It's also very possible that the photos attached now are not the same as the photos Duran claims she got from the man...  fits the MO for FBI evidence

Remember, it was Duran who told Oswald a place to go for photos but she cannot remember where... (which must be BS) and she says he had 4 images when he returned...  which leads me to believe they were taken by some anonymous photo booth machine...

And there really NEEDS to be staple marks on the carbon copy's attachment...  there aren't any.

Besides, with a little darkroom work, the same negative can look very different when printed.

Finally, there is a pile of evidence which points to his not having traveled as described, and not being in MC at all..  a copy of a copy of a photo and application, from outside the US is not the strongest of evidence...

46 minutes ago, Tom Hume said:

Sorry David, I wanted to work with these photos a little more before I went too far out on a limb. To be clear, three of questions if I may.

(1) Do you think the side by side visa photos you posted are the same photograph, or do you think they are similar but separate clicks of the camera at the same photo session?

(2) I’ve had several passport photos taken over the years and never ended up two versions of those photos. If you think the visa photos are slightly different, does that seem unusual to you?

(3) So I take it that the other two visa photos are not represented in John Armstrong’s collection, entered into evidence, or anywhere else that you’re aware of. We have a better version of the left visa photo, you posted it and it's ubiquitous. Do you know of any better copies of the right photo?

If you've already answered any of these question somewhere, sorry, this Mexico thing is complicated.  

Thanks,

Tom

 

1. They LOOK virtually identical except for the way the copy makes Oswald's face look more round and squashed vertically.  
   I don't see why though, the different photos have such different characteristics...  the photo stapled to the CC should look the same as from the original.
   Without knowing the provenance of the copy all I can say explicitly is that the staples are not there...  IDK if there is anything to the HSCA stating that the poor quality copy was on the original visa application and the high quality one is with the carbon...
   
   They didn't have photocopiers in '63 at the Cuban Consulate in Mexico, did they?
    so how did they make a copy of the Carbon with the photo on it without it being stapled?  unless maybe the photos were added after the fact.?
   
   
    
2. Unusual?  I get the impression the photo was done at one of those sit in pull the curtain and take 4 exposures of the right size arcade places.  We also have that same straight down shadow under the nose while the rest of the shadow is off to his right...   I also don't think this was a "passport photo" kind of situation yet you make a point... 4 photos of that size is usually from specialized equipment...  and it would be polaroid-like...    Since they tried to find the place .  (and again, the way the FBI can create evidence I'm surprised there was no one working in a photo shop who would say what was needed.) and came up empty I am leaning toward a planned visit by this impostor to come back again and again...  or the entire thing was a ruse and none of this ever happened the way we are seeing it.  Could Duran and Azcue be in on whatever was going on with the CIA/DFS at the time?   IDK ... yet.
   
   The staple thing is now starting to bother me...  
   
   CORNWELL - And what did you do with the photographs?
   TIRADO - Stapled them.
   CORNWELL - Stapled them?
   TIRADO - Yes.
   CORNWELL - On top of the application.
   TIRADO - Yes.
   
   TIRADO - Yeah. I think that I already explained (to) him where he could take the photographs.
   CORNWELL - You told him some locations in town where he could go? Were there some right in the neighborhood of the Consulate there?
   TIRADO - That I don't remember.
   
   How many different places could there possibly be, that she would actually recommend?  
   
    
3. I have not seen the other 2 photos and they're not in the Armstrong Mexico binder...  I'll get in touch with John and see what he has... he told me he still have reels of microfilm to get printed...  so you never know.  I have no better images than the one that looks like a photo of the original.
    

Yes, Mexico can be very complicated....  Not sure if you read thru the 6 papers I did at CTKA/Kings and not even sure if they will clarify or complicate the matter...

If this was a lone nut then the evidence would line up a bit more comfortably.  the pains the FBI took to create a Mexico Trip and the number of times fraudulent evidence was accepted then dropped convinces me our man was not there.

Ok Steve...  your attempt at transforming into Scully is well under way.... 

Reading a book written in the 30's called "The Modern Corporation and Private Property" by AA Berle.

He basically states that thru the corporate system a group of not more than 200 people effectively "controlled" a vast majority of the major industries and that if unchecked, Corporations and the men who control them would be responsible for almost 100% of US productivity within 50 years

I can't help but think if the famous line from Napoleon - "In this life we are either Kings or pawns, Emperors or fools."

No words can be more true.   The Corporate structure, like Income Tax, the Oil Allowance, the Fed and the CFR becomes an effective tool for the Kings to create more separation from the pawns and fools.

And people still argue that "white privilege" is and was a myth.   Bankers and Lawyers gaming the system from the beginning of time...

Count in it.

Nice post Steve.... 

I was going to answer your question Tom...

Duran says the man brought back 4 photos... and that she saw them and they appeared to be the same man as was in front of her.... she stapled 1 to the original visa app and supposedly stapled the other to the carbon copy but it does not appear that way.

And where again are those other 2 photos?  You'd think he'd give one to Marina or June or his buddy George...

24 minutes ago, Larry Hancock said:

Ok, next two questions.   Do we agree that the Oswald inside the Consulate was not wearing a sweater and tie according to the staff descriptions?    If so, then where is the first known occurrence of this particular photo and what agency would have had it in their files prior to October, 1963.

Along with those questions, what Agency or group would have had copies of the materials that the person at the consulate showed during the visit.

The answers to both questions would seem to tell us who was behind the visit, assuming it was not Oswald.

 

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David, I'm not trying to argue with you, I'm trying to work it backwards step by step.

1. The man wearing the clothes in the photo was not there that day so....so the photo was taken earlier.

2. The picture was taken earlier and if the man had been Oswald why would he just happen to have a photo taken much earlier (can we date that photo) with him in MC and not have taken it to the Consulate....makes little sense.

3. So....what Agency other than Oswald himself would have had a copy of that photo and how could they have gotten it.

4.  And the man in the Consulate had a variety of materials including FPCC correspondence and other correspondence that Oswald might have had copies of (why would he be keeping copies of his own correspond

NEVER made that assumption Larry... we're on the same page - I'm just trying to do as you suggested and find the trail of his appearance from the bus the FBI offers to the Duran/Azcue encounter.  

1. 99% agree... one says yes, one no...  who confirms the lack of a sweater and tie?
2. You assume that the photos we have, associated with that application, are authentic and were the photos Duran stapled.  (so were are the other 2 photos, he comes back with 4 of them?).   She claims she looked and they were of the man in front of her.  Depending on who was who's asset - and didn't Azcue & Duran go back to Cuba not long after the assassination?
3. The Cuban offices of the consulate: TIRADO - Well, I used to put it in a file, and uh, I used to keep one copy, another to send, the original, we used to send to Cuba. And I think I have another file.   I would expect the Cuban State dept to have a home office to which the offices send their paperwork
4. Why he supposedly kept much of the incriminating evidence the FBI produced is a great question...  Answer? He didn't keep them, they were added to the evidence between Nov 22 and when the FBI returns those items on Monday Nov 26.  Armstrong's work on the initialed DPD evidence which leaves and the extra few hundred items without initials that were returned is direct evidence of obstruction.

TIRADO - Well, I used to put it in a file, and uh, I used to keep one copy, another to send, the original, we used to send to Cuba. And I think I have another file. 

CORNWELL - Did anything else occur on the second visit, any other conversation, or any other event?
TIRADO - No, but I told you, it's uh, he said that he was a friend of the Cuban Revolution. He show me letters to the Communist Party, the American Communist Party, his labor card, and uh, he's working in Russia, I don't remember exactly, but he said on his application, his licence number...

This and the short letter about moving to the Baltimore/DC area are the only 2 letters to the Comm Party that could have been shown...  but their exact contents was not discussed.

TIRADO - Yes, it was his labor card, form Russia, his us, marriage pact, yes, that he was married with a Russian, and uh, a clipping that he was with two policemen taking him by his arms, that he was in a meeting to support Cuba. And a card saying that he was a member of the Fair Play for Cuba in New Orleans. And
CORNWELL - Do you recall what was said or what occurred that caused him to produce all of these documents about his having a Russian wife and his Fair Play For Cuba activity?
TIRADO - Just a minute. (Spanish--what means recall?)
LOPEZ - Recordar. He showed me all of these papers to demonstrate that he was a friend of the revolution.

Mr. BALL. And they showed you pictures of Oswald, didn't they; Lee Harvey Oswald? 
Miss MUMFORD. No. 
Mr. BALL. You didn't ever see a picture of Oswald? 
Miss MUMFORD. No. 

On ‎6‎/‎2‎/‎2017 at 10:49 AM, Larry Hancock said:

Ok, next two questions.   Do we agree that the Oswald inside the Consulate was not wearing a sweater and tie according to the staff descriptions?    If so, then where is the first known occurrence of this particular photo and what agency would have had it in their files prior to October, 1963.

Along with those questions, what Agency or group would have had copies of the materials that the person at the consulate showed during the visit.

The answers to both questions would seem to tell us who was behind the visit, assuming it was not Oswald.

 

Who are we supposed to believe Larry?  Wouldn't these two be the best witnesses?  Who else reports on his clothing that morning?  

Mr. PREYER. And I believe you recognized none of the photographs in that album as being the man whom you feel you saw in the Embassy. Have you ever seen that man again, the man who you believe you saw in the consulate? 
Senor AZCUE. No, never. This is what I stated before. 

CORNWELL - Did he return with the photographs?
TIRADO - With four photographs.
CORNWELL - Four of them.
TIRADO - Yeah. 
CORNWELL - Were they all the same? To the best of your memory, was he wearing the same kind of clothes that he was wearing that day in the photographs?
TIRADO - Yes. 

Senor AZCUE. Yes, yes, about four or five blocks away in a street known as Calzada de Tacubaya. There are photographic studios. Possibly Sylvia might have pointed out to him where he could obtain the photographs, or maybe he already had the photos. 
Mr. PREYER. Well, in the photographs on the application, and also in the passport, Oswald appears to have on a tie and a sweater. How was he dressed when he came to the Embassy, to the consulate? 
Senor AZCUE. I always imagine him or visualize him as wearing a suit, coat and pants, trousers, with a pattern of crossed lines, not very clear design. Blue, some reddish. I never conceived of him or visualized him wearing a light sweater. When I saw this photograph in April of this year, I also noticed that the clothing he was wearing was not the same. 
Mr. PREYER. So that the clothing he was wearing in the photographs was not similar to that which he was wearing when he actually visited you in the Embassy. 
Senor AZCUE. I am almost in a position to assure that. 

And since the bus arrives 10-10:30am, we are to remember that the first "call" comes at 10:37am from the Cuban Consulate... not exactly alot of time to change...

So who sees him on the bus before he gets off... of course our friends the McFarland, Mumford and Bowen

Miss MUMFORD. He was dressed casually. I don't remember what color trousers he had on. He had on a dark sweater. I know that. It was a wool sweater, a sort of a charcoal gray color. When we saw him on television. being arrested or being taken down to the Dallas County jail, Patricia was the first to recognize that that was the same sweater. We were reluctant to believe this. of course, at first; that we knew this man. But she said the thinning hair on the top, the thinning, curly, wiry hair, plus the sweater that she recognized right away, and I recognized afterwards, made us almost certain that this was the same man. 

Not exactly the same sweater as in the Visa Photo... (is that sweater found in his belongings?)

Is this by chance the Mexico Visa sweater?

My pleasure as always Tom....  Something is a bit wonky with these images though.  

CORNWELL - And what did you do with the photographs?
TIRADO - Stapled them.
CORNWELL - Stapled them?
TIRADO - Yes.
CORNWELL - On top of the application.

We might also want to know why the COPY of this application does not show staple marks on the photo

On 6/2/2017 at 9:37 AM, Larry Hancock said:

David, I apologize, should know this...do we not have a copy of the photo which was actually submitted along with Oswald's application, did the Cubans misplace it, not keep it, fail to hand it over, etc.

If we do and it turned out to be the Oswald in a sweater and time image I remember then I become increasingly suspicious.  Its possible that an impersonator might have tried to make an impression without having a photo but if pressed come back with an old Oswald photo just to get it in the record.  Probably nobody would look that closely and of course after the fact, it would be Oswald.

-- very interesting,  Larry

 

 

 

 

 

 

The HSCA seems to have also reversed the Carbon with the "original" in these descriptions.  

I don't think there are too many "originals" with regards to the Mexico Evidence

41 minutes ago, Tom Hume said:

David, I believe you were the one that first posted the side by side visa photos of Oswald. I don’t think they are different versions of the same photo, but two slightly different photos. Could you give us some background info on these two pictures? Thanks.

Tom

Well according to the available story, When "Oswald" arrives on the 27th to get his Visa to go to Odessa (according to most) he did not have any photos with him so Duran send him away to get some.

CORNWELL - So, from all the circumstances, did it appear to your that he just went somewhere locally and had the pictures made?
TIRADO - Yeah. I think that I already explained (to) him where he could take the photographs.
CORNWELL - You told him some locations in town where he could go? Were there some right in the neighborhood of the Consulate there?
TIRADO - That I don't remember.

If I remember correctly they searched high and low for a place where those photos could have been taken anywhere near the Cuban compound... the FBI evidence says they could not find one.   "...passport photographs which he may have obtained in the US"..  Below that is the exhibit referred to in the WCR which explains the passport photo

If the sole purpose for this visit was to leave an impression...  The "Oswald" impostor did so by making strange requests, mentioning strange affiliations, returning a number of times that day before arguing with Azcue.

Furthermore, since MC was one capital of spycraft, you'd think getting passport photos or "ID photos" would be an easy thing...  plus having these photos taken close by would ADD to the story...  so IDK why they didn't "create" a place and have them verify it.

I'd be much more concerned over the CFR and it's influence (Judge Gorsuch and Nat'l Sec Advisor McMaster are both CFR).  In fact recently one of the Trump talking heads was standing in front of a CFR sign on the wall.   All religions have their zealots...  CFR is a much bigger religion than Mormon...  

https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/25475-some-of-trump-s-picks-have-troubling-links-to-globalism-cfr  

McMaster and Gorsuch are only the two most recent CFR additions to the Trump Team. Others have already been documented in the pages of The New American. And a regular commentator in the comments section of this magazine's online portal, who goes by the username St_Robert_Bellarmine, has compiled a significant list of Trump's senior CFR-linked and globalist-tied appointees, some of whom have attended the globalist Bilderberg summit or have ties to globalist billionaire David Rockefeller's Trilateral Commission, a CFR-type body focusing on America, Europe, and Japan.    

Among them are Robert Lighthizer, the U.S. trade representative, who is listed as a current member of CFR, despite the globalist outfit's key role in imposing the very multilateral “free-trade” regimes that Trump has opposed for harming America and undermining U.S. sovereignty. Another is Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao, a CFR member with troubling links to the Communist Chinese dictatorship. She also happens to be married to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and may have been a bargaining chip in getting other nominees approved by establishment Republicans in Congress.  

Then there are a number of non-members who nevertheless have troubling ties to the CFR and other globalist organizations. Exxon-Mobil, of course, is a “founder” corporate member of the CFR. And despite not being an official member himself, Rex Tillerson boasted to CFR members in a speech that he shared their views on globalism. “Like the Council’s founders, I believe we must choose the course of greater international engagements,” Tillerson said in a 2007 event at the CFR.

Another controversial figure is Steven Mnuchin, Trump's treasury secretary and a former executive with “vampire squid” international bank Goldman Sachs. Like Exxon-Mobil, the globalist bank is also listed as a “founder” corporate member of the CFR. And Mnuchin, while not listed publicly as a member of CFR, was a member of the secret “Skull and Bones” society at Yale that has been exposed for being involved in dark and deeply disturbing rituals. George W. Bush and John Kerry were also members, though both refused to talk about it while running against each other for president.  

Then there are at least two cabinet members in the Trump administration who have attended the annual Bilderberg summit, where top globalists, politicians, bankers, communists, royalty, and crony capitalists meet once a year to plot policy behind closed doors and recruit useful idiots to their globalist cause. The first is former Texas Governor Rick Perry, a Republican who serves as Trump's energy secretary. The other is Secretary of Defense James Mattis, a military man who attended the 2015 Bilderberg meeting in Austria as a “distinguished fellow” of the Hoover Institution.

The name Rothschild — the unfathomably wealthy banking dynasty — often pops up in connection with Bilderberg, billionaire George Soros, and other organs and individuals associated with the globalist establishment and the central banking cartel. And it just so happens that Trump's commerce secretary, Wilbur Ross, was a senior managing director at Rothschild, Inc., before joining Trump's team. Soros, the extreme left-wing agitator, was also a Rothschild protege.

Of course, hoping for a cabinet entirely devoid of people with links to the establishment swamp — at least for now — might be a bit unrealistic. After all, the nominees had to get through Senate confirmation, and there are more than a few CFR operatives and globalist shills still haunting the halls of Congress. And to be fair, on the campaign trail, Trump did say he had “respect” for CFR boss Richard Haass, a leading globalist operative who has publicly grumbled about Trump and his agenda. Trump's team has also said publicly that all cabinet members agreed to go along with the president's America First agenda.  

3 hours ago, Eddy Bainbridge said:

I find it very tempting to postulate theories based on the evidence, but as Larry Hancock has explained, disseminating facts from the evidence is taking some time! Is it possible to look at the MC story in a different way? The first JFK assassination theory, emanating from the DRE I believe, supports the 'Oswald with Communist accomplices theory'. The mainstream media did not get hooked by that and quickly the 'lone gunman' theory gained traction. It is an assumption , based on some good evidence that this media redirection may have been controlled, not by emerging facts, but by a cover-up. Is there a tiny window in time, after the assassination, where MC evidence gave a different picture? Can the evidence be assessed as to the timing of its being revealed, as opposed to its evidentialy provenance. I suspect David Josephs would have an interesting opinion on this.

Timing - indeed.  Who knew what, when.

Yet without a clear understanding and acceptance of PD Scott's Phase I & II of the operation, the explanation might feel insufficient.

Under Phillips, Goodpasture and the HQ Soviet desk staffer Barbara Murphy Manell (LADILLINGER) construct a situation placing Oswald in MC when very strong evidence suggests he was en route to Dallas, in Dallas seeing Odio and finally in Dallas at the YMCA.

At no time does the evidence provided confirm Oswald - THE LONE NUT - was ever in Mexico City.  What this Mexican evidence does start out doing is place Oswald with others traveling by AUTO...  but no AUTO drops him at the hotel - which is only a short walk from the bus terminals.

What the evidence does do, immediately after the assassination, is get "borrowed" by those claimed to be Mexican presidential staffers.

On Nov 25th - just prior to Alvarado coming forward we get the following from the FBI

Four bus lines checked, no info related to Oswald/Hidell...  This is in addition to the FBI's 20+ informants looking for traces of Oswald all thru Nov with no luck...

Yet now fast forward to March 12 1964 and the story begins to change:  The Bosch changed Frontera baggage manifest is now considered "clear" evidence of Oswald leaving Mexico City at 1pm on Frontera...  

Fast forward now only 3 days to March 15, 1964 and we get a glimpse into the problem solving efforts of the FBI.  When they figure out that Oswald can't possibly make an appointment in Dallas on Oct 3 at 4:30pm if he leaves when the FBI first says he does...  he can't get to the TEC on time - an appointment we know he kept.

From 10/18 thru Dec the FBI is following up on the Oswald 10/10 CIA Cable...  This 11/22 note is one of the earliest acknowledgments that the FBI cannot confirm the info the CIA conveyed back in October.  In fact, the opposite is true - there are no signs of Oswald having actually been to MC at all only 2nd and 3rd hand photo copies of evidence supposedly pointing to Oswald.

Nagell's story about the 17th/18th jives with Alvarado's original claim that Oswald was seen doing these things Sept 17/18.. and despite quite a bit of leverage, sticks to his story.

Rule #1 - never believe anything coming from the government until it has been officially denied:  

Alvarado was pressured into coming forward on his own to tell the Mexican government about his "Oswald" incident on Sept 17th.  If Dickie Helms tells you all if now fine...
who are we to disagree?   

Anything from Mexico which suggested Oswald was involved with anyone coming, staying or going... had to be squashed.

To me, this Hoover statement speaks volumes...  Despite it being the wrong photo and not Oswald's voice - IOW no evidence at all (tape and photo are not Oswald), Hoover talks of a "SECOND PERSON" down there instead of a single person playing Oswald's part...

This is what convinces me that Oswald and the FBI are connected and that Oswald was at Odio's door when the FBI fraudulently puts him on buses.  There was not "2nd" person... there was only ever the charade of the evidence creating a conspiracy - removed for evidence which did not.

9 hours ago, Mathias Baumann said:

 

I think there are some problems with the idea that Oswald did not go to Mexico at all.

First of all: Where was he at that time if not in Mexico?

 

Suggesting he was IN Mexico simply because there may or may not be evidence of where he was instead... which there is... is in reality not a valid argument.

To prove her was there, you must do just that...  If he did go to Mexico City and back to Dallas, the evidence supporting such a trip is extremely poor at best with a dubious past, in reality, most was fabricated to support such a conclusion...   But we must really go back to early Oct 1963, and figure what the CIA and FBI was doing related to Oswald, who saw him, and where... and which is the most reliable authentic evidence...

Let me add something to the mix which hopefully reveals how this was all created evidence...

The FM-11 is a master list of all the incoming tourist visas: FM-5's and FM-8's.

On his 15-day visa (secured with a 180-day application) the name we are given is LEE, Harvey Oswald, or H.O. LEE.

The FM-11 is divided up by 5's and 8's as well as by the 1st-15th of a month and the 16th to the end of a month and finally, in alphabetical order.

Any reason Mr. LEE is alphabetized between "MO" and "OU" other than the obvious... whoever created these lists knew his name was not LEE, but OSWALD, despite what was right in front of whoever did it...

The following are two index cards typed out by a Mexican official for Mr. CASH American Consul in Nuevo Laredo listing the mode of exist as "AUTO" next to a report from January 1964.  CASH then lies to KLINE about what the records say about Oswald's departure and mode of transportation.

This is from my POV the ongoing process of disavowing the conspiracy in favor of the Lone Nut by diminishing the value of any evidence suggesting Oswald was ever with anyone.

Finally, we are to remember that we did not receive a single original document from Mexico...  they were all easily altered copies of copies.

You're also neglecting Wisconsin on the day Nagell claimed all this was going to happen...  Tennessee was a red herring...  

Looking at a list of WCR/FBI Exhibit numbers we spotted FBI D-050, a guest registry for the Fox and Hound in Milwaukee, WI with the name LEE OSWALD – DALLAS, TEXAS signed on the registry page for Sept 14, 1963.  The article states the date was Sept 16, even though the actual page does not appear to have a date at all.  A report of a “Lee Harvey Oswald” also written in a restaurant registry in Hubertus, WI coincides with a statement from the article by Mrs. Patricia Stanley, manager of the Fox and Hound, “ … declined to comment on how the FBI learned that the registry contained the name of ‘Lee Oswald’ “ …. “  I am not at liberty to say anything”.  Asked whether the FBI had instructed her not to comment Mrs. Stanley replied, “There were others, too, but I just can’t say.”

Here Sandy https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=61264  Some transcripts are in this file and here are some others...

The visa photos

If this application was indeed a typed original and carbon, there is no way to line up the carbon with the original which works...

One side or the other, the top or the bottom cannot be sized correctly.  Plus the signatures don't match at all

When we apply PD Scott's Phase 1 phase 2 theory it, to me, seems obvious.

In a car with others = Oswald getting undercover credibility = double edge sword, same info incriminates Oswald.

When Mexico comes to light we'd find that he went to and returned from with others, ergo a conspiracy.  Then add Alvarado showing up and telling his story a few days after the fact...  

But then phase 2 kicks in and anything "conspiracy" must disappear.  Alvarado is the perfect example of this flip flop... and of being a Phillips asset in the Oswald "project"... I just don't think that activity related to Oswald in the months prior to the assassination specifically had anything to do with the assassination but his FBI/CIA "job".  You can't have Arthur Vallee being set-up in early Nov is Oswald and Mexico were directly related to the assassination unless Vallee was to give credibility to the notion that JFK was being targeted.  FBI reports out of Chicago after the 22nd, attempt to connect Vallee with Oswald!

The physical reality of his being there during those key days simply doesn't pan out as one takes a closer look.   Win Scott, Amb Mann and the FBI could not find one item of evidence where Oswald was anywhere other than where the CIA transcripts placed him.  Odio is, imo, a credible witness to Oswald in Dallas when the FBI/CIA has him in Mexico.

If she wasn't credible they could have done what they did to Osbourne - simply not believe what was said or witnessed.  Instead we get Odio's info buried in the last month before publication...

How sure does a person need to be?

Mrs. ODIO. She said, "Sylvia, you know that man?" And I said, "Yes," and she said, "I know him." "He was the one that came to our door, and it couldn't be so, could it?"

Mr. LIEBELER. Did she think it was Oswald?
Mrs. ODIO. Well, her reaction to it when Oswald came on television, she almost passed out on me, just like I did the day at work when I learned about the assassination of the President. Her reaction was so obvious that it was him, I mean. And my reaction, we remember Oswald the day he came to my house because he had not shaved and he had a kind of a very, I don't know how to express it, but some little hairs like if you haven't shaved, but it is not a thick moustache, but some kind of shadow. That is something I noticed. And he was wearing--the other ones were wearing white dirty shirts, but he was wearing a long sleeved shirt.

Mr. LIEBELER. But they did in fact, introduce him as Leon Oswald? 
Mrs. ODIO. And I shook hands with him.

Mr. LIEBELER. I show you a photograph that has been marked as Bringuier Exhibit No. 1, and ask you if you can identify anybody in that photograph? 
Mrs. ODIO. That is Oswald. 
Mr. LIEBELER With the X? 
Mrs. ODIO. Yes.

On 5/24/2017 at 3:07 PM, Sandy Larsen said:

David,

Questions Regarding the Fletcha Rosa Bus:

The Fletcha Rosa busline manifest indicates that Oswald was on that bus. From your post I see that the following were others on that bus:

1. Bowen (an "elderly man")
2. McFarland
3. An "Australian woman."

You say that Bowen denied Oswald was on the bus. How so?
The FBI sticks to it's FLECHA ROJAS bus for some time, despite evidence proving McFarland & wife along with Mumford/Winston took a Del Norte bus... interesting too is the WCR never uses "BOWEN"... but only OSBOURNE.  When he claimed it was not Oswald, the WC simply decided not to believe him.

 

What about McFarland and the Australian woman? Were they asked about Oswald's presence? Was anybody else on that bus asked?

Sandy - you'd need to read thru the work for the details.  McFarland confirms they leave at 7:30pm from Monterrey on a Del Norte bus.  
The FBI has Oswald on FLECHA ROJAS from Laredo thru Monterrey to MC...  Yet the FBI also has him arriving on yet another busline - ANAHUAC. The McFarlands are never called, never interviewed again and all we have is the affidavits...   Mumford did testify: I suggest you read thru it....

The testimony of Pamela Mumford was taken at 12:30 p.m., on May 19, 1964, at 611 Wilshire Boulevard, Los Angeles, Calif., by Mr. Joseph A. Ball,

Question Regarding the Del Norte Bus:

Could it be -- for whatever odd reason -- that the FBI didn't know what bus Oswald took, and so they fabricated the Fletcha Rosa busline manifest? Only to discover later that Oswald actually took the Del Norte bus with Winston and Mumford? Which explains why Mumford testified to seeing Oswald on that bus?
Again Sandy - without having read the work to understand that by the afternoon of the 22nd Mexican "authorities" had "borrowed" the passenger manifests from the 4 bus lines specifically for Sept 26/27 and Oct 1/2/3.  They were all brought to one man who in turn oversaw the compilation of the evidence.

If there was actual evidence to authenticate any of the pieces of this journey one would think they'd be offered.  Again, the context of these answers is important...  there was in reality not a shred of evidence that Oswald had traveled to Mexico...  the stories of Mumford and McFarland fly in the face of everything we know about the Oswald Ruby killed.     

Other Question:

In this question:

Mr. BALL. Well, you were shown pictures of a man (Bowen/Osborne) later on by the Federal Bureau of Investigation agent, were you not?

who is Osborne? Which bus did was he on?

Osbourne = BOWEN 

On 5/24/2017 at 1:41 PM, Kirk Gallaway said:

 

It's interesting David,  In the 70's I traveled extensively  through Mexico and Central America in a car, entering through Tijuana going down Baja and ferrying across  to the mainland.. There wasn't good official record keeping in Mexico at all. There were a few times I remember when we'd leave the car for convenience and take public transportation and never having to put my name on a ledger. Everyone used cash back then. If LHO did enter Mexico, he did it in a high profile way.I think it would have been very easy for him to not leave a paper trail if he wanted to. Just enter Mexico in a tourist town and say you were going over for a night in Mexico, then buy a ticket to MC on any number of public buses that don't require a signature, or meet with a liaison who drives you to MC.

 

You make some very interesting points Kirk...  so in turn, one would expect the Mexico records to be sketchy... yet amazingly the FBI was able to ID and follow up on scores of passengers and bus station employees involved with this travel directly from the records which were kept.  We know the # of tickets, which envelopes they are placed, how they are forwarded, and on and on allowing the FBI to generate thousands of reports in its attempt to convince us of this trip.

The only "sketchy" evidence remains Oswald's.  A good example is a man named Voorhees.  A confused 73 year old man... see CE 2460..  prroblem with Voorhees is no corroboration and in fact conflicting info out of San Luis Potosi.

In true FBI form there are sprinkles of the truth covering the sh!t sundae, so maybe you won't notice...  

So the question is - what would be the purpose of getting Oswald to MC in a car in the company of others - both coming and going if we are certain that the mystery man charade had nothing to do with the physical person Oswald?  Peter Dale Scott answers with his Phase 1 & 2 scenario - on Oct 8 when this comes to light, the CIA is sheep-dipping Oswald as a Castro-ite - whether in a conspiracy to kill JFK or simply to give Oswald more "street credibility" when he returned to his CIA related work...  the evidence appears to initially put Ozzie with other.  (note: the entire BRILL episode is interesting as well as they were the only young white couple in a car entering at Neuvo Laredo...

On ‎5‎/‎24‎/‎2017 at 6:01 AM, David Andrews said:

Do we have evidence of Oswald in Mexico City prior to September 1963?  I seem to recall that Richard Case Nagell told Dick Russell this was the case, and that Nagell rendezvoused with Oswald there.  I'm sorry that I don't remember the exact dates and references in the Russell book at this moment, but perhaps another member does.  In general, it's time for a double-check on Nagell's assertions about Oswald, who is as great a mystery in Russell's book as in other sources,

Dick Russell, would you correspond with me privately about Oswald?  I have a project in mind.

A woman named Elizabeth Catlett Mora - an American Communist in Mexico with a "Bufile" was informed upon by "sources" (T-22)

In 1957, Armstrong writes that Oswald and his 8-man squad went from LA to Tijuana Mexico. Allen Felde corroborates.

Another instance involved Delgado.  WCR p687

In the spring of 1959 Delgado, Oswald, and two other Marines (probably roommates
PFC Watts and PFC Wold) traveled to Tijuana, Mexico. When they arrived
Oswald poil).ted out the "Flamingo" bar and said it was the best place to have a good
time. The entire group then went looking for a "house with girls." Later, after spending
time with the girls, the group went to a small hotel for the night where each Marine
had his own room. -H&L p226

NOTE: Tony Varona told the HSCA about discussions between himself and Carlos
Bringuier concerning Oswald's visits to Mexico and Cuba. Varona said, "He (Oswald)
had traveled to Mexico and from Mexico he went to Cuba and came back to Mexico."
When asked if Oswald's trip to Cuba was in 1961, Varona said, "/don't know the date,
but it must have been during that period. "141

On 5/22/2017 at 8:41 PM, Kirk Gallaway said:

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Just to flesh out some of these characters to those who may have never seen them.In the Frontline documentary "Who was Lee Harvey Oswald" which was spotty,had good witnesses and bad with motives to deceive, the case is made for Oswald visiting MC, and chronicling what he did. Starting around 1:40, it starts the speculation  when you have Anthony Summers interviewing the Odio's about the visit, then a segment with Posner questioning the time of the visit. At 1:44 you have the accounts of the Australian women, Patricia Winston who claim to have seen Oswald on the bus.1:46 interview with Sylvia Duran,146:50 interview with the 3 KGB agents who claimed to have seen Oswald(.Nechorporenko,and Kostikov.) 1:50 you have Helms repudiating Win Scott's alleged pictures.Scott produces tapes to authorities scratchy and unclear. The 3 KGB agents and Duran repudiate fake photo of Oswald entering embassy, and reaffirm that who they saw was Oswald. The segment ends around 1:55.

https://youtu.be/-cLvrkqZxdc

 

Hi Kirk....

The evidence offered for Oswald's bus ride from Monterrey to Mexico City is the FLECHA ROJAS passenger manifest showing Lee H OSWALJ, BOWEN & McFARLAND.

Mumford and Winston were on a "scheme" that allowed them to get on and off buses.

We spent one day in Monterrey and left by bus at 7:30 p.m. at Monterrey, and it was on that bus that we met Lee Harvey Oswald. 

"WCD1245 p274 is the beginning of the typed version passenger list #11889 for Flecha Rojas bus #516 for passengers who ONLY got on in Monterrey (i.e. Mumford and Winston).  Their names, as expected, do not appear on this list."   They're not on the list because they took a different bus.  They took the Del Norte bus

Miss MUMFORD. Well, the ticket we had on this deal enabled us only to travel in the States, not in Mexico.  So, we bought the ticket on the bus at Laredo and that enabled us to stop off in Monterrey. But the ticket was from Laredo to Mexico City.
Mr. BALL. And from what company did you buy the ticket?
Miss MUMFORD. As far as I can remember, it was a bus company called Transporter del Norte.

Mr. BALL. Now, you got on the bus at Monterrey on the evening of September 26 at 7:30 p.m., you just told me?
Miss MUMFORD. Yes.
Mr. BALL. And what was the company that operated that bus, do you know?
Miss MUMFORD. That was also Transporter del Norte.

Miss MUMFORD. Oswald was the first one we spoke to. He left his seat and came down to the back of the bus to speak to us.
Mr. BALL. That was after the bus had left Monterrey?
Miss MUMFORD. Yes          …. Then we arrived in the Mexico City bus station and he didn't speak to us, attempt to speak to us at all. He was one of the first off the bus and the last I remember seeing him he was standing across the end of the room.

The McFarland affidavit confirms they left Monterrey with the Australian women and claims that Oswald was seated next to Bowen "the elderly man"
This is the FLECHA ROJAS manifest "proving" how Oswald went to Mexico City.  This bus leaves Monterrey at 3:30pm.  The bus from Nuevo Laredo left at 2pm.

In both CE2532 and CE2121 p32  (the NY Times account of the trip)  we find the FBI concluding that this Oswald traveling as H.O. LEE, took a 2:30pm 9/26 Flecha Rojas bus from Nuevo Laredo to Mexico City via Monterrey.

It's 135 miles from Nuevo Laredo to Monterrey on a bus that can barely make 45mph...  Obviously (except to the FBI) Oswald cannot board a bus at 2pm and then leave on another bus 135 miles away only 1.5hrs later.

This fictitious Oswald was not on a bus with these people... Bowen/Osbourne denies it, the evidence denies it and then there's this little tidbit about the Australian witness who supposedly adds corroboration to the FBI's evidence....

(May 19, 1964)
Mr. BALL. Well, you were shown pictures of a man (Bowen/Osborne) later on by the Federal Bureau of Investigation agent, were you not?
Miss MUMFORD. Yes.
Mr. BALL. And they showed you pictures of Oswald, didn't they; Lee Harvey Oswald?
Miss MUMFORD. No.
Mr. BALL. You didn't ever see a picture of Oswald?
Miss MUMFORD. No.

This is Feb 25, the day after the memo Bill links us to...  A supervisor is already explaining away the errors and mistakes of a subordinate...  in turn, the FM-11 which is the "master record" says he leaves by "auto" on Oct 3.

If the plan on Oct 3 is still to associate an Oswald with others, he'd leave in a car driven by others.  if that was the original plan.
a change to that plan to say Lone Nut with no associations... the CIA association of Oswald with others has to disappear or be disavowed - ala Alvarado

or in this case... H. O. Lee (O.H. Lee) leaving or arriving by car driven by others.  The "actual" FM-11 requested in the FBI doc is/was in the hands of the FBI asset, who, it was said, added to the FM-11 for clarity.

more than one looks strange....   

well done Chris... do you suppose this corroborates Truly's testimony, cause we could use some...

I've found no one who says the same thing or any images of the turn itself... Hughes is only the start of the turn?
and you'd think Dorman would have seen it...  of course Dorman wasn't called

http://erenow.com/modern/the-devils-chessboard-allen-dulles-the-cia/18.html

Mark Wyatt was attending a meeting at the Gladio base in Sardinia with Bill Harvey when he heard that President Kennedy had been shot at high noon in Dallas. When the telex arrived, in the early evening local time, Wyatt found Harvey collapsed in bed, following a late-afternoon round of martinis. After Wyatt managed to rouse him, the CIA station chief blurted out some provocative remarks about the events in Dallas that deeply disturbed Wyatt for the rest of his life. According to his three children, Wyatt, who died in 2006, at eighty-six, would always suspect that Harvey had some prior knowledge of the Kennedy assassination or was in some way involved.

---- a bit further down

I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that Harvey was in Dallas in November 1963,” House Assassinations Committee investigator Dan Hardway, who was assigned by the panel to probe possible CIA connections to JFK’s murder, observed years later. “We considered Harvey to be one of our prime suspects from the very start. He had all the key connections—to organized crime, to the CIA station in Miami where the plots against Castro were run, to other prime CIA suspects like David Phillips. We tried to get Harvey’s travel vouchers and security file from the CIA, but they always blocked us. But we did come across a lot of memos that suggested he was traveling a lot in the months leading up to the assassination.” (More recent legal efforts by the author to obtain Harvey’s travel records from the CIA also proved fruitless, despite the 1992 JFK Records Act, which required all federal agencies to release documents related to the Kennedy assassination.)