David Josephs

And with this card - also using a 1960 photo and resizing the text....  we have identical photos of Harvey relating him to his Service.

As my series states, The Evidence IS the Conspiracy in each and every aspect...

To answer the "WHY" question we need only look at the hubris of the perpetrators...  

There simply wasn't anything that couldn't or wouldn't be changed to help incriminate Harvey

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1136#relPageId=358&tab=page  is the start of the COLE exhibits.  #5 is the unmarked version of #6 it appears... but I don't see how

On ‎8‎/‎30‎/‎2017 at 10:43 AM, James DiEugenio said:

I see three theories on this:

 

1.  Its genuine and was issued to LHO upon his leaving Santa Anna. 

  The problems with this are: Why is it not laminated? How did the over stamp get there?  Why did LHO not renew it?  Why is it the wrong card?

 

2.  Oswald himself created the card.

 Why would he do that if he already had a card?  And if he did forge it, why did he do such a bad job?

 

3.  An outside party forged it for him. Maybe Nagell.

Possible, but for what purpose?  Especially if LHO already had one.  

Other than the photo, the details on the card match the original Lee Oswald...  5'11"  145lbs  (The "165" comes from a later source adding confusion to the situation)

While forged, easily recognized, I don't believe that mattered at all...  No one would be questioning it and it serves to connect the "Patsy" to the Lee Oswald Marine history...

*** Are there any other items with images to connect Harvey to the Marines? ***  

The original Lee was made to disappear with an entire history created for the impostor by combining the activities/histories of 2 men.  Just ask John Ely, Jenner and Leibeler.

The same photo appears on the SSS cards

On ‎8‎/‎28‎/‎2017 at 10:45 AM, Chris Newton said:

An aid to visualizing the circles:

Here's a bit more detail on those circles...  I'm not so sure about the 3rd circle and please notice the "JUL" within the original appears to have been stamped onto the original version or some intermediate version...  that circle doesn't appear to extend into the card... 

This is what It SHOULD have looked like when issued:

And it would make sense.... if there was a "1" there...  funny thing too,

the actual "1"'s on that stamp are sans serif while the "1" you claim to see looks like a carrot with and asterisk...  
wouldn't it be a faint straight line?

   *
   ^   

5 hours ago, Mark Knight said:

One more thing that EVERYONE is missing. Oswald had no need to take any letter to a postal drop box. The same mailman that delivers the mail also picks up outgoing mail from homes like Ruth Paine's. 

Just thought I'd point that out. So if the letter was left in Ruth's mailbox as outgoing mail, it would be logical that the mailman would have picked it up at Ruth's house, and the letter wouldn't have been postmarked anywhere BUT Irving, Texas...after the mailman completed his route.

Makes sense if Oswald wrote the note and also typed it...  yet a Nov 9th date with a Nov 2nd postmark (anyone know if they picked-up mail and processed it on Saturdays back then?)

If we assume that Oswald wrote it... why doesn't he know the Visa duration for which he applied ?  He supposedly signs the thing right there, no reason for the Mexican Embassy to issue a 15-day visa in this case...  unless it was something Gaudet said....  

Those 15 days are very important to understanding the CIA's "plot to push Hoover into a corner" with Lee Henry Oswald's fake Mexican excursion.
Sept 17 + 15 days is Oct 2nd.  (despite having the same man from Oct 2 photographed on Oct 4th and 15th... it's still Oswald)

Only someone operating within the confines of the 15 day period - ASSUMED to start Sept 17 and end Oct 2nd - would write a letter including this pseudo-timeframe.
If H.O. LEE leaves Mexico on Oct 3 and gets on a Greyhound to San Antonio....  why are his FM-11/FM-8/FM-5 documents filed under "O" for "Oswald" leaving by automobile?

... cause all this evidence is pure BS create by those not knowing these little details and how they would conflict

Sure were a lot of the Personnel department in on these arrests.  Seems a whole lot of "FORGERY" dept members were there too...??

Where are all of homicide detectives?  Where are ANY of the homicide detectives?

From the WCR this is Humes' description of the wounds to the head... Following this description is a graphic representation of the description... To me this proves the "surgery to the head" as noted by the FBI was simply the extension of a craniotomy that Humes began prior to 7pm, and the VAST difference in the wound between Dallas and Bethesda...

Following that illustration is a composite that shows where Humes sawed thru the skull on the LEFT side of the skull while contradicting this evidence by stating that the left side of the skull and brain were completely intact and the drawings of JFK as seen in Dallas... Humes is complicit in the cover-up yet was taking orders from Rear Admirals on down..

And then the honesty of Boswell's notes betrays this surgery yet again.. The brutality of what was done to JFK after the fact is hard to escape...

The concept that the "brain just fell out in Humes' hands" is without a doubt the most revealing and impossible of all the statements given the lack of damage to the left side of the skull... the last image is one of a series that can be found on line describing the process of brain removal at an autopsy. The strong connective tissues that surround the brain and the superior sagittal sinus must be carefully cut away as well as the dissection of the spinal cord at the bottom of the brain, top of the brain stem, the optic nerves and a host of other connective tissue.

By the time the casket was opened at 8pm and the audible gasp echoes in the morgue at the horrible condition of the man's head, over an hour of brutal surgery had been performed by a man barely qualified to perform it...

"We found that the right cerebral hemisphere was markedly disrupted. There was a longitudinal laceration of the right hemisphere which was parasagittal in position. By the sagittal plane, as you may know, is a plane in the midline which would divide the brain into right and left halves. This laceration was parasagittal. It was situated approximately (1 & 2) 2.5 cm. to the right of the midline, and extended from the tip of occipital lobe, which is the posterior portion of the brain, to the tip of the frontal lobe which is the most anterior portion of the brain, and it extended from the top down to the substance of the brain a distance of approximately 5 or 6 cm.  The base of the laceration was situated approximately 4.5 cm. below the vertex in the white matter. By the vertex we mean--the highest point on the skull is referred to as the vertex.
The area in which the greatest loss of brain substance was particularly in the parietal lobe, which is the major portion of the right cerebral hemisphere.
The margins of this laceration at all points were jagged and irregular, with additional lacerations extending in varying directions and for varying distances from the main laceration.
In addition, there was a (3) laceration of the corpus callosum which is a body of fibers which connects the two hemispheres of the brain to each other, which extended from the posterior to the anterior portion of this structure, that is the corpus callosum. Exposed in this laceration were portions of the ventricular system in which the spinal fluid normally is disposed within the brain.
When viewed from above the left cerebral hemisphere was intact. There was engorgement of blood vessels in the meninges covering the brain. We note that the gyri and sulci, which are the convolutions of the brain over the left hemisphere were of normal size and distribution.
Those on the right were too fragmented and distorted for satisfactory description.
(4) When the brain was turned over and viewed from its basular or inferior aspect, there was found a longitudinal laceration of the mid-brain through the floor of the third ventricle, just behind the optic chiasma and the mammillary bodies. This laceration partially communicates with an oblique 1.5 cm. tear through the left cerebral peduncle. This is a portion of the brain which connects the higher centers of the brain with the spinal cord which is more concerned with reflex actions."

I hope this serves as a gateway to understanding how truly horrific these procedures were... the audible gasp heard after 8pm when those in attendance saw what HUMES did becomes completely understandable.

DJ

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the wheels on the bus go round and round.....

Cabell was the CIA manager who the First Bank of Boston went to when determining whether the bank and affiliates should buy BELL Helicopter.  It was the CIA's guarantee that the limited wars in SE Asia: Laos and Vietnam would be fought using helicopters as a primary transportation vehicle.  It will be General Cabell who initiates the move of helicopters to Laos requiring a back fill... once the fill begins, it never ends.

As a result, a very shady loan was arranged via Prudential Life Insurance ($25M unsecured note with a 6-year repayment grace period!) to TEXTRON who buys Bell in 1960 when they were $100M in the red.  Key players include The Little Family (Royal and Arthur), Sun Life Insurance of London/Canada, G. William Miller, and the law firm of Cravath, Swain and Moore who brings us the #2 at defense - Roswell Gilpatrick, and our favorite John J McCloy, a partner at the firm.

Textron bought Bell Helicopter in July of 1960, four months before the election. Bell's sales were down an even hundred million in 1959 from nearly double that in 1953. Textron bought the company for what was considered one of the worst deals of the year - $32 million or exactly the company's book value. Yet Rupert C. Thompson, Jr. ; " then Textron Chairman (Miller was President) , boasted, "We knew we had our objective - 25 percent pre-tax profit on our investment - from day one."

From the huge helicopter profits TEXTRON began buying up related companies.  TEXTRON remains recognized for being the first conglomerate as well as being the crossroads for many of the highly placed players in the JFK saga....

FWIW, I believe those related to this sale represent the Cabal ultimately responsible for JFK's death.

3 minutes ago, Michael Clark said:

The counselor section of the embassy has the correspondence between Marina and Oswald regarding her return to Russia.The last letter from Lee Oswald was dated November 9 (the text was transmitted on the line of nearby neighbors).

huh?  "on the line" is followed by (sic).  "text was transmitted"   very strange.

Further into those pages:  I thought Oswald immediately mentioned being ex-marine radar operator with potential sensitive info to offer....  instead, they claim he was a "student in his final year at an electrical trade school"...  where would they get that info?

"Lee Harvey Oswald (b. 1939), a student in his final year at an electrical trade school, came

to the USSR on October 15 this year. Upon arriving in Moscow, he applied for Soviet

citizenship. Because no decision had been reached on Oswald’s request by the time his visa

expired and he was to leave the USSR Oswald tried to commit suicide by slitting a vein. After

his recuperation he has kept insisting that he be given Soviet citizenship, and he refuses to leave

the USSR. On October 3 1 he visited the U.S. Embassy in Moscow and said he renounced his

American citizenship. "

36 minutes ago, David Josephs said:

I'm going to start digging now... but,

Was this letter ever actually delivered?  It does not appear to have any routing stamps, initials, or anything that would suggest anyone at the addressee received it... 

How did it come to be an exhibit... the Soviet Embassy sent it to the WC?

The writing in Russian at the top and the number at the top right...  any clues there?

??

Mystery solved...  now... do we have anything else that was typed on that typewriter to compare?

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/711299/Russians-wary-of-63-Oswald-letter.html   

"One gets the definite impression that the letter was concocted by those who, judging from everything, are involved in the president's assassination," Dobrynin wrote. "It is possible that Oswald himself wrote the letter as it was dictated to him, in return for some promises, and then, as we know, he was simply bumped off after his usefulness had ended."

The Dobrynin memo was contained in more than 80 pages of long-secret Soviet documents that Russian President Boris Yeltsin gave to President Clinton in June when the two were in Germany. The documents offer details about what top-level Soviet officials were thinking and talking about when Kennedy was killed Nov. 22, 1963, in Dallas.

"They were convinced that there had been this massive plot to kill Kennedy. What they didn't know was who was a part of the conspiracy," said Timothy Naftali, director of the presidential recordings project at the Miller Center of Public Affairs, a think tank and historical research institute at the University of Virginia.

"They thought they had received a false letter. They thought it was all part of an orchestrated affair to make it look like the Soviet Union was behind the gun."

Following the assassination, the Soviets gave U.S. officials the Oswald letter as well as other information they had gathered during his stay in the Soviet Union.

15 minutes ago, Paul Trejo said:

Obviously, Ruth assumed

Obviously, you can't fix stupid.

I'm going to start digging now... but,

Was this letter ever actually delivered?  It does not appear to have any routing stamps, initials, or anything that would suggest anyone at the addressee received it... 

How did it come to be an exhibit... the Soviet Embassy sent it to the WC?

The writing in Russian at the top and the number at the top right...  any clues there?

??

1 hour ago, Paul Trejo said:

David...do you honestly believe that Truth is established by majority opinion?

The truth of your inabilities does not require opinion Paul... all that's needed is for you to put keyboard to dialog box... and hit "Submit" when you're done.

Why do you insist on remaining so incredibly underwhelming, fact-less and perpetually annoying in your presentation here when you could take a minute, research what you're going to post and find out before you do it how wrong you are... save a little face once in a while....

Or you could just keep pi$$ing into the wind...  

My bet's on the wind.

10 minutes ago, Paul Trejo said:

I know Ruth said those words, but SHE said that the words came from Hosty

For G~d sakes

Mrs. PAINE - It was, as Mr. Hosty has described to me later, and I think this was my impression too of it at the time, an informal opening for confidence. 

Once again Paul... you stop short of a complete statement.  If one reads the entire thing one easily understands that Ruth was thinking the same thing and Hosty only offers the words she chooses to use in her testimony.  "Her impression at the time" and her previous statement which you also fail to include:

Mr. JENNER - The first interview, however, was a rather lengthly one? 
Mrs. PAINE - But it was not strictly speaking an interview. 
 

Paul...  exactly how many people here other than DVP must you hear telling you how bad you are at this?  How you simply cannot formulate a coherent argument nor do you bother with the details, per your own words.

Did you ever come up with an answer for why the evidence offers a 180-day visa application in support of Oswald's 15-day Visa?  or are those details too far beyond you?

Mathias,

I can appreciate a gut feeling, yet there is nothing factual that precludes both from being intel assets.  Marina being in the perfect place to silently observe and report. But then again, maybe not...  I don't know that it matters in the overall scheme of things - Marina that is. 

Ordinary everyday people do not have Minox cameras with serial numbers that were never released to the public and only available to the CIA.
Starting when he arrived in New Orleans in mid 1963, Oswald was playing both sides of the Cuban issue via Banister.

The ease with which Oswald returns to the US and is given jobs that certainly do not match his qualifications or his status as a returned defector/communist.
Especially the Jaggers job.

From my POV, in 1963 it appears everyone was watching everyone else.  The fringe groups were filled with informants, the Post Offices, IN&S, everywhere one looked people were put into position to inform upon or follow the direction of others with the goal of uncovering communists. 

The other thing that strikes me as obvious is - Follow the Money.  The amounts collected and spent over the years simply do not match...  Oswald is in possession of much more cash than his income and expenses allow.  With a $200/month stipend he virtually doubled his income.

At the very least we can say he was being manipulated.  As fore the KGB, like the CIA/FBI...  don't believe it until they officially deny it.

DJ

3 minutes ago, Paul Trejo said:

The facts remain plausible -- Lee Harvey Oswald deposited his "Soviet Embassy Letter" in a public mail box on November 12th, 1963

Proof please Paul...  How do you know Oswald did this?  A postmark from Irving on a Tuesday when he's in Dallas is not proof he did anything with that letter.

And you remain the only one seeing a "1" where there is none in that Irving postmark....

Thanks for proving my point. 

Bu-bye now...  

On ‎8‎/‎2‎/‎2017 at 7:57 PM, Paul Trejo said:

Lee Harvey Oswald deposited his "Soviet Embassy Letter" in a public mailbox sometime during that day.   The letter carrier obviously picked up that mail before 5pm.   

Or do you suppose that there were no public mailboxes anywhere near the Texas Schoolbook Depository Building in Dallas?

Sheesh,

The postmark says "Irving" TX not Dallas Paul....

If you can't even pick up on the obvious, imagine what you look like here when you try something difficult.

As for my tone...  you remain one of the worst offenders when it comes to posting without backup... Your opinions are only valued if you've established yourself some credibility...

You think you have credibility here Paul?  Enough where others are interested in your ongoing fact-less opinions?

When Oswald supposedly had a chance to mail the Money Order and coupon from the Main Dallas Post Office, he didn't.  Instead it is postmarked as deposited in zone 12...

So you see Paul... your lack of "attention to detail" is why no one here cares to hear from you...  You make sh!t up and then qualify it as your opinion...  Sorry buddy, not going to leave you or that approach alone as long as you're polluting these forums...

Maybe if you took a second to THINK about your reply...  first. 

FWIW - THAT's what a "1" in front of a "2" looks like.

Croy and Westbrook look like they're up to something...

Westbrook behaves very unPersonnel Captain-like....  and does not even think to call the Tippits to tell them the news... they hear it on the TV.

Croy claims he was the first on the Tippit scene and only Markham is there, hysterical over what she saw.
Tippit was being loaded into the ambulance at the time he arrived, according to Croy

Keep at it Steve...    https://statick2k-5f2f.kxcdn.com/images/pdf/JosephsPistol.pdf  might give some insight to Westbrook who was part of a second group of men who attended to Tippit's murder weapon.

John A and I came to the conclusion that Westbrook and Croy may have been in  that 2nd police car that backed its way up the driveway to the alley way between 10th and Jefferson.  Mrs. Holan lived directly across the street and tells of the 2nd cop car with 2 men in it... on egetting out, looking at Tippit after he was shot and getting back into the car, backing up and leaving by the alley.

Croy was able to get to the scene amazingly fast....

Stop acting the fool Paul...

How did Oswald mail that envelope from Irving TX on TUESDAY the 12th by 5 pm?

This shows Oswald at work on the 12th with Veterans Day the 11th.

How did our little Oswald do that all by himself Paul?   Your silence is always appreciated yet this is a direct question.

If you can't explain it, no worries.   The postmark is for the 2nd of Nov when Oswald was home...  the only way you're right on this one thing is to be wrong about the other...

IOW, Ruth Paine was lying to us again about this letter and her knowledge of it.

20 minutes ago, Mathias Baumann said:

Marina being a KGB informer would explain a lot, but would she really have been of much use being a stay-at-home mom under FBI surveillance?

Also, the KGB might not have been all that interested in Oswald after all:

"Never believe anything the government says until it has been officially denied"    So, no... the KBG would no tbe interested in 1 of only a handful of US citizens in their country?

Sorry MB, I don't buy it.

If the KBG linked this man to CIA/Military Intel as a spy - which I believe they did, Marina's purpose is fairly clear... what can you learn about the movements and activities of a USA Intel asset?  What does the FBI/CIA ask of a returning citizen?  The link to Webster would also suggest the KGB was more aware of the US goings-on than they let on...  that Marina would be in contact with both these men is pretty remarkable.

http://digitalcollections.baylor.edu/cdm/ref/collection/po-arm/id/22367 is the link to Armstrong's Mohamed Reggab notebook.  He has some very interesting things to say.

One of them being that in 1961 Marina was working as a punch card operator for a Business Machine Firm.  This after 4 years of Pharmacy school?
He also goes on to say that at these "Russian Student Dances" for foreign students were severely underpopulated with women so "Moscow working girls were brought in for these dances"

The way he says he treats Marina, it is apparent to me he thinks Marina may have been one of these girls, yet he goes out of his way to deny it (Never believe it until it's been officially denied).    

DJ

Paul, we all understand you don't sweat the details...  you don't understand the details...

When someone says there's a crease... and the image doesn't show one 1) Ruth is lying, or 2) this isn't the letter she saw

But I'm more interested in why you ignore the question against your stated FACT

Oswald is not in Irving on Tuesdays...  But is on Saturdays.  The 2nd is a Saturday while the 12th is a Tuesday...

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Then, LHO personally mailed it on 11/12/1963.

When do you suppose he was able to get to IRVING on a Tuesday?  Wesley takes him Monday morn and Friday after work...

Can you explain how/when Oswald mailed this letter, from Irving, on a Tuesday? (edit - when instead, he was in Irving on Sat the 2nd.... Oooops!)

and by the way... the handwritten letter does not have a fold under the line about the FBI:

"The FBI is not now interested in my....."  I did this to confirm the bleed is from that letter, which it is... but in doing so, any creases in that paper would POP out like a sore thumb..

Except there is no crease....   Could Ruth, the FBI and the WC be trying to pull a fast one on us here Paul?

A blow up of that "line"

Mrs. PAINE - At the top of what I could see of the paper. In other words, it was just below the fold. It said, "The FBI is not now interested in my activities." 

And you remain deaf, dumb and obviously blind. 

Cause you WANT it to be there does not make it so Paul...  in fact the arrows point to identical "1's" where the top and bottom are round and there is just about a space in the middle.

As for Oswald mailing it...  Prove it Paul.  All you've done is build a case of supposition on your incorrect analysis... (sounds like a line from your resume)

On 8/1/2017 at 3:35 PM, Paul Trejo said:

Then, LHO personally mailed it on 11/12/1963.

And you know this ...  how?

Speaking of how and this letter....  how does Ruth KNOW it is false that the FBI is not now interested in Oswald (related to the FPCC and his New Orleans work)

Mr. JENNER - You saw it. And it was folded at what point, now that you have the transcript of it before you? 
Mrs. PAINE - At the top of what I could see of the paper. In other words, it was just below the fold. It said, "The FBI is not now interested in my activities." 
Mr. JENNER - Is that what arrested your attention? 
Mrs. PAINE - Yes. 
Mr. JENNER - What did you do? 
Mrs. PAINE - I then proceeded to read the whole note, wondering, knowing this to be false, wondering why he was saying it. I was irritated to have him writing a falsehood on my typewriter, I may say, too. I felt I had some cause to look at it. 

Let's look at some knowingly false possibilities - Ruth's Nov calendar is a study in contradiction:

The "Dr Lic" appt appears to have been on Nov 2 not the 9th.  And any ideas on why Ruth forgets to write in her daughter's birthday AND her party given all the other items Ruth keeps track of.

You see Paul... these are things that do not add up to corroboration for the story told.  In fact, Mr. Slack puts an Oswald at the Sports Drome on the 10th as our little Oswald is in Irving.

You then expect us to accept that Oswald takes this finished, addressed and stamped envelope and leaves it - where?  He supposedly mails it for the 5pm stamping on the 12th....

When do you suppose he was able to get to IRVING on a Tuesday?  Wesley takes him Monday morn and Friday after work...

Can you explain how/when Oswald mailed this letter, from Irving, on a Tuesday? (edit - when instead, he was in Irving on Sat the 2nd.... Oooops!)