David Josephs

On 8/31/2017 at 1:26 PM, George Sawtelle said:

David

I agree. The Zap film has morphed into something that is basically a shell of itself.

About the closest we can get to the original is the copy LIFE gave to the Warren Commission in early 1964. But even that copy was not complete and difficult to view ... frames before Z171 were missing, Z208-Z212 were reportedly destroyed by a lab technician who worked for LIFE and the film is grainy and in black and white.

It is my understanding of the situation that by the time a film reached NPIC Sat night, it was already altered.

Ask yourself...  Max Philips sent a film to DC Friday night.  Chief Rowley should have had it by 2-3 am.
As you look thru any timeline - try to find any reference to THAT film after it arrives in DC... 

From Chris Scally's timeline  http://jfklancer.com/zapruder/Tabular_Z Film_Chronology.html

If Chris can comment on what he believes happens to the Rowley Film (not offered in this timeline) it would be appreciated...  I've exchanged emails and discussed this with Chris but cannot find any conclusions....  I also do not agree with the 9:55pm event since the letter from Phillips does not include Zapruder's "Best Copy" from the day..

"The third print was forwarded"...  Sorrels has 2... Zapruder only one...  A film is not accounted for...  the 8mm copy being shown assumes a 4th copy with 1 going to Rowley, 1 to FBI, 1 to Sorrels and 2 (0183 and copy) to Zapruder...  that's 1 original and 4 copies, not 3.  At least that's how I see it...

I contend this was the original or 0184. It was not until 10pm Saturday that Dino gets the film he worked upon.

Chris has shown me conclusively how the 48fps film was cut down to 18-18.3fps as well as assisting in understanding the amazing math involved within the measurements and the lies of Shaneyfelt, Frazier and Gauthier.

Just now, W. Tracy Parnell said:

Such as?

Just start at page 1 of this thread and go... 

"you ain't gonna learn what you don't wanna know" 
                                                                                       - Black Throated Wind

1 hour ago, W. Tracy Parnell said:

I'll let the readers here decide

Works for me...  be even better if you'd stop making definitive statements about the situation when you haven't the backing to support it...

Wonder why Pic was so sure he knew nothing about 101 San Saba in Benbrook...

Otis here claims it was Marge and 3 sons..  in 1946 Lee was 8, Robert 12 and Ed 14.

Strange that both young men don't have any recall of 101 San Saba...

Tracy...

You continue to whine like a little child when asked to simply use fingers and toes to count the days...

Given how little credibility anyone here offers you, and even less coming to your aid with anything to support you... you're left with nothing but whining and diverting attention from your incredible lack of ability.

It's truly sad you cannot man-up and address a simple arithmetic problem and then use whatever firing synapses you have left to ponder the meaning.

1952-1954 remains one of the most remarkable times in young Oswald's timeline...  the work of John Ely goes to prove the existence of an entire set of people known to Lee Oswald who were summarily dismissed in favor of those knowing the man Ruby killed.

It's laughable, the manner in which you post here assuming your vapid words and lack of evidentiary support goes unnoticed... when 99% of those who respond call you on your BS.

For those keeping up...  Marge "Oswald" was a 2220 Thomas on Nov 22.  The house across the street from Stripling Jr High.  Except Robert nor Edward offer up 2220 Thomas as an address they ever lived at ????  They lived at 7408 Ewing in 1948 after moving from 3300 Willing St in Ft Worth.

On Sept 5, 1947 Lucille Hubbard drives Marge to 2220 Thomas to retrieve furniture
On July 7 1947 Georgia Bell know the short, fat Marge who has one son going into 2nd grade living at 101 San Saba

John found the Tarrant County documentation as well - but that would require you actually READ THE BOOK and acquire the CD... readers ought to be amazed that someone who never read the book can be so critical of its content.

Mr. PIC - When we returned home I seen this house and my first impressions were that we are back to where we were. Lee had a dog that a woman had given him, I think it is the same dog we have pictures of, and I kind of had the feeling that our days at Chamberlain-Hunt were ended even though it didn't come officially. Then sometime in the summer of 1948, the divorce took place in Tarrant County, city of Fort Worth. I had to testify. I think they attempted to put Lee on the stand but he said that he wouldn't know right from wrong and the 'truth from a falsehood so they excused him as a witness being he was trader age. 
I don't remember my testimony completely. I dc remember that my mother had made the statement that if Mr. Ekdahl ever hit her again that she would send me in there to beat him up or, something which I doubt that I could have done. 
I was told by her that she was contesting the divorce so that he would still support her. She lost, he won. The divorce was granted. I was also told that there was a settlement of about $1,200 and she stated that just about all of this went to the lawyer. Right after this is when she purchased the house in Ben-brook, Tex., the little house. 
Mr. JENNER - Describe that house. 
Mr. PIC - It was an L--shaped house, sir, being the top of the L was her bedroom, bathroom, kitchen, and living room with a screened-in porch. She and Lee slept together. My brother and I slept in the living room in the screened-in porch on studio couches. When we moved into this house and after the divorce and everything became final, I was-- 
Mr. JENNER - Excuse me, was that 101 San Saba? 
Mr. PIC - No, sir; I don't know nothing about 101 San Saba. 

Robert Oswald remains blissfully unaware of this address...  Interesting there would be evidence of houses the Oswald boys were not aware of as well as the attending of Stripling when Marge and son lived across the street (and around the corner from FBI agent Fain)

Except as we are supposed to now know... he went to NYC for the 52-53 school year

Mr. OSWALD. '48---we moved to the address on Ewing Street. 
Mr. JENNER. All right. And each of you then enrolled in Arlington? 
Mr. OSWALD. I was in the ninth grade, which was junior high school in Texas. I enrolled in W. C. Stripling. 

Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir. Junior high school there was from the seventh to the ninth grades. And as soon as he was through with his sixth year, he started attending W. C. Stripling Junior High School. 
Mr. JENNER. As soon as he finished the sixth year at Ridglea Elementary School, he entered W. C. Stripling High School, as a seventh grader? 
Mr. OSWALD. Yes, sir--junior high school. 

and to bring it full circle... who owns the house at 2220 Thomas? but a friend of FRED KORTH...  you must know who that is...

19 minutes ago, Chris Newton said:

If Oswald made the DoD ID card where and how did he acquire the  restricted blank with the perforations at the top and the DoD watermark?

 

 

 

Guess that would depend on who was helping him....  or whether he somehow acquired the actual Oswald DOD card and had his image pasted in...  or if the DOD/ONI/MID did it themselves to add to the Oswald backstory....

Chris - would the real Lee get one of these cards after leaving the Marines (remember Gorsky tells us this was March 1959, not Sept.)...
Associating a specific plan with those IDs and that photo is so convoluted...

My main concern is who took that photo and for what purpose. 
Where was it from 1960 until it was used?

Wow...  deaf dumb and blind

There are barely 50 school days from 3/23/53 to the end of the year yet the records claim 127 days... 

There are only 123 school days in the entire period yet the records show 200...

But the FBI isn't trying to hide anything by never offering the originals of these records....

One would think you knew how to count... and armed with that amazing inability we are supposed to give your opinions credibility?

200 school days within 123

127 school days within 49

You simply can't address a simple question with a straight answer.

What you are doing is called STRAW MAN within the COINTELPRO playbook...  you may try some other tactics Tracy... this one is getting terribly old.

5 minutes ago, James DiEugenio said:

So are we saying  that the overstamp was done to cover up the photo's original markings which were in Cyrillic?

And we now agree that the photo was taken in Minsk?

 

How could we prove it was taken in MINSK Jim?  All we have is that image on the DOD and SSS cards... what evidence places it from Minsk other than Jack White's comment on the Oswald poster he created?

It would appear to come from some form of ID created within Russia.  Work ID? Internal Travel Visa? or maybe the real man playing the Oswald part's actual Passport?

The photo in the poster next to this one is captioned "January 1960. Minsk radio plant

On ‎8‎/‎30‎/‎2017 at 9:40 PM, Sandy Larsen said:

Okay, show us that. So we can tear it to pieces.

 

He can't Sandy...  and he nor anyone else can fit 200 school days into those 210 available days...  No school administrator in their right mind would enter those figures onto that child's perm record....  they know how many days there are in a school year...

Why didn't the FBI?

Are you going to claim Oswald didn't go to YOUTH HOUSE for over 2 weeks?
Are you going to claim Oswald went to summer school that year?
Are you going to claim Oswald did not get to take off school holidays like the rest of the children?

If not, then there are only 123 days of school attended despite the records repeatedly claiming otherwise...
210 days - minus 55 days of summer - 17 days at Youth House - minus 15 days winter break = 123 days of possible school for little Ozzie...

This has him attending/absent 127 days from 3/23/53 to the end of that semester...  109 3/2 + 15 3/2 = 127 
 

From 3/23/53 to the end of the semester there are 70 TOTAL SCHOOL DAYS from which YOUTH HOUSE and Spring break are removed.
According to this Little Ozzie starts PS44 on 1/19/53 but doesn't show up until 3/23...

FACTS Tracy...  try one on for size?

On 8/30/2017 at 8:12 PM, Sandy Larsen said:

Richard,

I think David Josephs has a tendency to assume we understand what is going on with his visuals. He has a lot of insight and great visual aids... I just wish he'd spend more time explaining his presentations. (My not-so-subtle hint, hint DJ.)

When I saw the image of the ID card that you are questioning, I got the impression that what David did was take a copy of the back of the card, make a reverse image of it, make it transparent, and then paste it over the front of the card. All in photoshop, of course. So what we were looking at is what we'd see if the card was a little transparent so that we could see both the front and the back of the card simultaneously. Presumably he did that to see how things on the back of the card line up with things on the front.

 

hint well taken Sandy  

Here are the variety of images which appear to be the same.  I've done repeated slow transitions between images and they are the same, simply different versions and quality.

On 8/30/2017 at 9:15 PM, Sandy Larsen said:

Hey guys, I think I may have noticed something significant. Something that I think makes the makeshift fake stamp on the ID make more sense.

What I'm getting at, and will now propose, is that the photo on Oswald's ID card came from an ID that he used while in the Soviet Union. He (or somebody else) removed the photo and pasted it to the military ID card. Upon doing so, the photo showed a remnant of the old Russian stamp, but of course the ID had no such stamp. So Oswald (or somebody else) decided he had to fake a stamp on the ID so that the stamp on the photo-only wasn't so obvious. He took a circular stamp and made a couple of impressions, with one lining up pretty well with the outer, Russian stamp. (The blue line, above.) Then he stamped it again with the circle, offsetting it from the first to give it some "depth" or complexity. And then he finished up his work with the date stamps. By making it complex, it provided some camouflage for the stamp on the photo. Without looking close, uninformed people would see something that looked about right, and that looked official.

Assuming I have this fundamentally right, it would seem to me that whoever made the ID with Oswald's photo on it, was likely someone who had only one photo of Oswald. Because if he had other photos, surely he would have chosen one for the ID that didn't have a Russian stamp printed on it. And he would be spared the hassle of making the (embarrassingly silly) fake stamp.

Well, I started off thinking that this find (which I believe is correct) would simplify matters. But really it just explains one mystery at the expense of introducing another.

 

Just a thought Sandy...  With a MINOX, Oswald or anyone could take a photo of the object that includes the bottom corner stamp and a new print of the image can be created for these multiple purposes...your identification of the straight stamp printing instead of curved suggests to me Oswald made it himself as he did the SSS card... imho.

On 8/30/2017 at 5:44 PM, Richard Price said:

I have a question about the pictures of the ID card posted in David's post of a couple hours ago.  If this is supposed to be the front and the back of the card, why is the print running backwards (mirror writing).  This, to me appears to be almost like a view of the back of the card taken through the front.  It's almost like it was translucent.  A picture of the back of the card should be readable and not in mirror print.  Also if the picture attached to the card is actually a photo attached to it, you should not be able to see through that area at all.  The problem with the translucent properties is that if the card is that transparent, the front should also show (in see through fashion), info on the back in that image.  Even Oswald's signature on the right edge can be vaguely seen on the back image.

Richard...  when looking at the front of the card the writing on the back bleeding thru would be reversed.  When reversed we should also see any heavy pressure imprints that can be seen from the other side.  I also use the negative version of images to bring out detail lost in the positive.  I take the logic approach focusing on what we should see in a normal world as opposed to the upside down one of the WCR.

Again using the PMO as example.. while ""Goods" can be seen bleding thru to the back, the "*21.45" impact stamp cannot... why do you suppose that is Richard?

With regards to the forged DOD card, one would expect to see the reversed imprint of the signatures given how these are signed.  The paper may be thicker but the question remains, why is only one side of that card stained when they are supposedly two sides of the same thing... ?

There are 210 total school days available in that time period...

Youth House takes up more than 10 days and comes after 3/23/53...

So we're already less than 200 without removing SUMMER...

Maybe you need to go reread Parker's 'splanation

"Offered" and "correct" have no relationship at all within Parker's explanation...

Paraphrase Tracy... fit 200 school days into 210 total days as I posted...

You can add and count, right?

Shouldn't the back of the card have the same stains?

It appears not to have any stains at all...

the amazing FBI of 1964

Tom...  The signature is cut off on the image of the front...  add that back and the shapes are the same...

But how come all that fingerprint gunk did not bleed to the back?

A little too far out on the assumptions limb for me Jim...  The signature on the Nagel version is definitely not Lee's.

You'll notice too that Nagel's doesn't have the official seal watermark.

Finally, since it's a copy, the whole thing could have been pasted together with little if anything left of an original...  IDK.

On ‎8‎/‎29‎/‎2017 at 5:10 PM, Mark Knight said:

Back in the 1960's and before, you could go to the "five-and-dime" store I any town in America and pick up a rotary stamp and inked stamp pad. The rotary stamp had separate rubber "belts" that could be rotated with the months of the year, numbers to make the date, and the year...and usually separate words like PAID, REC'D, etc. There were also blank spots on each band that could allow you to stamp ONLY the month, ONLY the day of the month, ONLY the year, etc. The date and the words on the bands would ONLY print in a straight line. I had one when I ran a newspaper route as an 11-year-old, and I just KNEW I'd made the big time!

So whoever made the ID had one of those stamps. That's why the month, the date, and the year have the words and numbers in a straight line as they're stamped around the circle. It's NOT a postmark, but it may be an uninformed person's attempt to simulate a postmark or some other "official" date stamp.

Put yourself back in 1963, and the answer to the source of the date stamp is blatantly obvious. It's the PURPOSE of the stamp that raises questions.

Here's the results of Oswald's infamous Stamp Kit - seeing you've brought up a good point...  those marks ARE in a straight line... (well done!)

I also think this vaccination form was created using the same stamp kit (a vaccination cert like this relieves the traveler from getting a shot and being recorded as they enter back into the US)

IMO Oswald took an active part in his clandestine life creating some of what we see to help him in his FBI work.  But most of the evidence was created by the FBI.

On 8/30/2017 at 2:31 PM, Chris Newton said:

Last night while studying this, I observed the perforations along the top edge of the ID. These indicate to me that the original ID was part of a "book" of blank IDs.

Like the Postal Money Order taken from a "book" that left a stub indicating the amount and # per Holmes... except there was never a book and this PMO was created as needed.

On 8/30/2017 at 2:31 PM, Chris Newton said:

If Oswald was given a dishonorable discharge from the Inactive Reserve, and he possessed this card, how does the Navy rescind it?

The card is actually Lee's with Harvey's face pasted in...  There is nothing for them to rescind... plus the card had expired in Dec 62 yet it was found and mailed in Oct 63 ??

In FOLSOM exhibit 1 page 28 we are informed that Oswald's Reserve service ends 8 December 1962, the day after this DOD card expires. FWIW

Guess he never made it to Illinois...  3124 W 5th is Marge's address.

Tracy - show us 200 school days excluding the summer that a child could attend between the dates offered.

Neither you, nor anyone else can do it so you try to pick on something more subjective.  

Maybe also explain how a 5'4" 115 lb boy loses both height and weight as he goes thru puberty...  the zoo photo is well over a year after the entrance docs designate him the big boy Lee was and is remembered as... leader, fighter....

Stick with FACTS please Tracy...  the # of days in the year or between certain dates is not subjective...  simply count and explain the difference

We'll wait and see if you can stay on a single topic and offer a reasonable answer for the 200 out of 210 day riddle.

29 minutes ago, Tom Hume said:

“They are actually parts of a stamped “JUL(y)”

Your opinion, David. You win - I give up.

 

Just how I see it Tom...  how would "IUL" relate to a postal stamp?

Geez... how many times?

Tell us how the FBI and the school district arrives at 200 days of school between the dates offered...  Parker tried and failed miserably.

Oswald did not attend summer school, DID go to Youth House and would have the same holidays applied to him as everyone else...

Jeremy - find us 200 school days between 3/23/53 and 1/12/54...

So here we are 5 years later and Chris D and I have done some amazing work.

The discovery and acquisition of Tom Purvis' copies of the Robert West Surveys of Nov 26, Dec 2-4 and Feb 1964 conclusively proves the FBI move the path of the limo, doctored CE884, and created an explanation for the Zfilm which places limo at later frames behind the limo in earlier frames simply due to CE884's adjustments.

The question to ask is whether the exact position of the limo and the frame related to that position have any real relationship to each other.

Shaneyfelt repeated states that nothing important happens until z161 or z171 which is essentially the "beginning of the film".  CE884 changed frames 168-171 to 161-166 thereby moving the limo at 171 to the point we see it at 166.

JFK in the zfilm from 161 - 166 is in the same line of sight as JFK at the z168 - z171 metal stakes and represent the same distance which in turn equates to 3mph.

We can pinpoint the location of the limo in the zfilm... but the relationship to frame #'s and everything the WCR states about that film and those locations is complete nonsense.

I'm not trying to discredit anyone's work... all that I am saying is that an altered 18.3fps Zfilm from a 48fps original - when the only other setting on the camera is 16fps - may not be the best source material to determine anything other than the conspiracy to hide the truth.

There's also the FACT that Z313 as we see it was determined to be the 2nd shot in 3 surveys prior to the one published

Mr. SHANEYFELT. Yes; because we were able to determine the speed of the camera, and thereby accurately determine the length of time it takes for a specific number of frames to run through the camera at this 18.3 frames per second, and having located these frame positions in the street, we took the farthest distance point we had in the Zapruder film which was frame 161 through frame 313. 

2 minutes ago, Tom Hume said:

You measured the diameter of the mysterious circles on the Oswald 1173 card at 19/21 inch, which is 14.8mm. For all practical purposes, the post 1961 Soviet 1 Kopek coin is the same size at 15mm. 1 Kopek is the smallest soviet coin and is 1/100 of a Ruble. 

I posted 19/32" which equals 15.08 mm so your theory remains intact.

4 minutes ago, Tom Hume said:

The letters inside the circles in the lower right of the Oswald 1173 photo are “IUL”, and hand-written over the “I” is the number “91”.

They are actually parts of a stamped "JUL(y)"

As you know Tom... I think there is something within the work you do, it would just be nice to corroborate/authenticate the work and results to some other case using this processes which has already been discovered.  Can you do a back test on a cipher situation which has already been solved to prove your efforts are moving in the right direction? 

Thanks Tom...

DJ

4 minutes ago, Tom Hume said:

 

Hi David,

If I have this right, military cards were and are standardized at 2 1/8 inches. This question may seem trivial, but maybe not. Can you make an educated guess as to the diameter of the red and blue circles?

I favor the photo-letters being “IUL” with a tiny hand-written number “91” on the “I”, but maybe not.  

Tom

 

When the card is scaled to 2.125" width, the circles are 19/32 of an inch in diameter