David Josephs

One more, FWIW...  Thanks John

Be like trying to prove where Werbel, Sturgis or McKowen were at the same time...  When Lorenz tells us, they don't believe it anyway!

They were involved with the arming and training of anti-Castro forces at camps hidden away in the Florida everglades...

On ‎9‎/‎6‎/‎2017 at 11:55 AM, Bernie Laverick said:

On the Bolton Ford incident...YES Sandy, as you so correctly say, he DIDN'T leave his full name. He left only ONE name.

While Bernie may take Sandy's word for the evidence, maybe actually reading the book HARVEY & LEE and then investigating the evidence accompanying it would be a better way to go?

I'm not going to look thru everything to find if/where he said it... but how about the testimony of the man who met this OSWALD character...  FRED SEWELL (FS) what did he say?

Ooops... 

LEE OSWALD? ....  "Right. That's what he said"

Bernie here is a bit too cheap to get the source materials, the book, the CD-ROM, etc....
Too busy to go to BAYLOR and find hundreds of notebooks with evidence not available but from the Archives and from John's CD.

I guess if he never saw it and can't find it... he can say anything he wants about it... until it is found and the evidence is shown...

Then he winds up looking the same as the rest of the acolytes...

Bernie expects there to be a yearbook complete with dated photos of Lee and Sturgis and Ruby. 

Common sense break...

A rifle going off with the muzzle 10-15 feet from these men's ears would render them temporarily deaf... and then 2 more blasts from the same place?
These blasts supposedly shake the dust from the ceiling... but have no effect on the ears of these three men...

Right.

Not only could they not hear the bolt or shells, they shouldn't have been able to hear at all...  let alone question whether the shots came from that close:

Mr. BALL. Did you notice where did you think the shots came from? 
Mr. WILLIAMS. Well, the first shot-I really did not pay any attention to it, because I did not know what was happening. The second shot, it sounded like it was right in the building, the second and third shot. And it sounded-it even shook the building, the side we were on cement fell on my head. 

Mr. BALL. Norman said what? 
Mr. WILLIAMS. He said it came directly over our heads. "I can even hear the shell being ejected from the gun hitting the floor." But I did not hear the shell being ejected from the gun, probably because I wasn't paying attention. 
Mr. BALL. Norman said he could hear it? 
Mr. WILLIAMS. He said he could hear it. He was directly under the window that Oswald shot from. 

Mr. BALL. Did anybody say anything as to where they thought the shots came from? 
Mr. NORMAN. Well, I don't recall of either one of them saying they thought where it came from. 
Mr. BALL. But You did? 
Mr. NORMAN. Yes. 
Mr. BALL. And you said you thought it came from where? 
Mr. NORMAN. Above where we were, above us. 
Mr. BALL. Did you see any dust or dirt falling? 
Mr. NORMAN. I didn't see any falling but I saw some in Bonnie Ray Williams hair. 

This remains one of the worst lies designed to incriminate in the WCR...  10 feet from the rifle and they BELIEVE it came from there... 

Mr. NORMAN. I believe it was his right arm, and I can't remember what the exact time was but I know I heard a shot, and then after I heard the shot, well, it seems as though the President, you know, slumped or something, and then another shot and I believe Jarman or someone told me, he said, "I believe someone is shooting at the President," and I think I made a statement "It is someone shooting at the President, and I believe it came from up above us." 
Well, I couldn't see at all during the time but I know I heard a third shot fired, and I could also hear something sounded like the shell hulls hitting the floor and the ejecting of the rifle, it sounded as though it was to me. 

On ‎9‎/‎6‎/‎2017 at 9:06 AM, Sandy Larsen said:

David,

You know, if I were a KGB agent and happened to be at Bolton Ford when the guy on the right was trying to buy trucks, and if I'd overheard him call himself Lee Oswald, my first thought would have been, hey, isn't that the guy who defected to Russia?

So I'd get some photos of him if I could and I'd contact KGB headquarters and inform them that I might have seen the defector guy, right here in New Orleans.

Of course, they'd inform me that, no, my guy must be a different Lee Oswald, because the one who defected was still right there in Minsk.

Ah, but I'd know better. Cuz see, I'd have a brain like Bernie's and I'd understand espionage. I'd know this guy must be a double for that defector in Minsk. I mean, how else could could their identical names be explained?

 

There you go again... thinking about 1962 with a 2017 POV....

"So I'd get some photos of him if I could" - You'd go down to the library and get the microfiche out..  or what?

What photos would there be of Oswald in New Orleans periodicals in Jan 1961?  None.  The Ft Worth image - in New Orleans?

The reality is that no one knew what Oswald looked like enough to say who was or wasn't Oswald...  if the name was used and a glimpse is remembered... we must revert back to the evidence that supports or conflicts with the H&L situation.

Don't be fooled by the "HOWCAN THAT BE!!??!!" line of rebuttal... it's meaningless and a waste of time...  That certain people cannot comprehend the workings of the world's intelligence agencies is no surprise...  These same people are amazed that during a time when spy craft was flourishing and in fact becoming unwieldy, when assassination was a frequently used tool to assist as well as create policy... these people simply took 1960-1964 off...  no plans, no black ops, nothing going on...

One side in this discussion brings facts and evidence... the other repeatedly whines and cries, screams out opinions and wonders why no one takes them seriously...

Some visuals to help separate the 2 men using the Oswald name

Harvey's skeleton is different than Lee's in that his shoulders are squared off whereas Lee's are sloped downward.

Furthermore... not a single detractor wants to address the obvious physical changes to Oswald after the Marines...

The 71" 150-165 lb man somehow shrinks like he did during puberty...  he drops a few inches and 20-30 lbs...

So yeah, if you think these two men are the same person...  

On ‎9‎/‎3‎/‎2017 at 5:42 AM, Michael Walton said:

Jim - we're also waiting for your reply.  Can you clarify why one of your supporters is saying the school records were forged and you're saying that these same records were made to disappear? I mean think about it.  It doesn't make a one iota of sense. If the records were NOT forged - the opposite of what Josephs is claiming and they STILL showed there were two little Oswalds running around - then yes, your claim that they were trying to make the records disappear would make some semblance of sense.

But if the records DID NOT show or CANNOT prove that there were two Oswalds and they needed to be forged to show that there WERE two Oswalds, what would be the point of doing this when the government wanted to show all along that Oswald was nothing but a crazed lone gun man?

But you cannot have it both ways so it's important that you clarify this.

 

Hi Michael...  Maybe this will help

There were 2 boys who attended grade school.  In 1952 Marge and Lee drive to NYC... (it would help if you were familiar with the Harvey & Lee book and the key milestone details)

They stay with Edward Pic and family in Manhattan

Boy #1 is not a very good student, does not like going to school and is very much the loaner (when they return to the south, "Lee's" southern accent is gone)
Boy #2 was one of the largest in his 6th grade class, a leader, a fighter, a sports player... never a loan, never a reader, never a Marxist.

In March 1953, Boy #1 is transferred to PS44 in the Bronx while Boy #2 is attending PS44 in Mahattan
Boy #1 goes to YOUTH HOUSE in April/May 1953... this is not recorded on the PERM RECORD since the information for PS44 is Lee's.

Boy #2 has a huge number of truants until the records begin to incorporate LEE's actual record starting 3/23/53...  yet 109 days attendance and 15 days absent from 3/23 - 6/64 is not possible.  There are simply not that many days left in the Spring 1953 semester...  TEACHER and ADMINSTRATORS know better... the FBI, in their haste, did not.

So this 5'4" 115lb entering 7th grader returns to the South as a 4'10" 95lb 9th grader...  again, not possible

The NYC records in evidence are required to tell a story of a single child, in fact the evidence is not what any normal person would expect to see for a child attending school at a normal rate.

This all culminates with the very strange Housekeeper Robertson episode who was hired by Marge to come by a clean a tiny apartment while they had no money... This housekeeper literally lived around the corner from these Oswald's in NYC...  she goes to the FBI on her own and tells an interesting story about the yet unopened Jacobi Medical Center...

Anyway,  the FBI is famous for their treatment, creation, alteration and care of evidence to meet Hoover's expectation.
Read the interview with John Ely to learn a bit more about the consequences of looking to closely at Oswald's life story...

Peace

DJ
 

On ‎9‎/‎4‎/‎2017 at 3:07 AM, Ray Mitcham said:

I agree with your comments, David.  Lovelady moves from the left side of the top of the steps towards the middle, obviously because he wanted to watch the President's limo as it moved down Elm Street. I agree that behind Lovely, in the Hughes image, is a figure which is probably prayer man.

The other possibility is that the man in color on the left steps BACK... and Lovelady was always in the center of the stairway...

On ‎9‎/‎1‎/‎2017 at 3:54 PM, Chris Newton said:

Whiteout. I agree.

Ok I see how he could make the draft cards but the DoD card has a watermark. I think he'd need an original blank. It also doesn't explain how he had that card a week before it was issued.

 

Are you mixing the SSS card up with the DOD card... ?

the SSS card doesn't have the seal and was rearranged...

the DOD card seems to simply have had the new photo pasted onto it... and yes - I don't see how anyone could reproduce the DOD watermark...

it would have to be from a blank or most likely from Lee's original... little Harvey was never close to 71" tall

1 minute ago, Bernie Laverick said:

what evidence exists of where 'Lee' lived during the time 'Harvey' was in Russia?

From the accounts of those who saw him... it appears he was in New Orleans and the Florida training camps.  It also appears he traveled to Cuba and Mexico

Here are some references (as if you cared... but these are for those who want to follow the evidence).  As usual, you aren't going to learn what you don't want to know Bernie... and the actual evidence which required time, sweat, toil and effort to obtain give us what you wanted to know. 

July 1962 while Harvey/Marina are in Ft Worth

- Betty Parrott, the girlfriend of CIA Agent William Dalzell, recalled that several waiters at the Court of Two Sister's Restaurant on Bourbon Street knew Lee Oswald. They remembered that he resided in a small apartment above the restaurant which was sometimes used as a storeroom. Leander D' Avy was the doorman at the Court of Two Sisters and had worked there for two years after retiring from 20 years service in the US Air Force. In June 1962 a young man walked in and asked D'Avy if Clay Bertrand worked at the restaurant (Clay Bertrand was an alias used by New Orleans businessman Clay Shaw). T he night manager, Gene Davis, overheard the conversation and told D' Avy that he wanted to talk to the young man.

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Many feel that Lorenz is not a reliable witness... all I ask is that you impeach her testimony with something, anything before you claim she is incorrect)

Mr. Fithian. "All right. Now I want to be sure that I have your dates correct. You said the first meeting of Lee Harvey Oswald, the first time you saw him, was at a Safehouse in Miami in 1960. Marita Lorenz. "Yes."

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A few days after Harvey Oswald and Marina were married in Minsk, Dr. Enrique Lorenzo Luaces met Lee Oswald in Havana, Cuba. Dr. Luaces was formerly a professor

of engineering at the University of Santiago in Santiago, Cuba. He was well acquainted with Robert "Bob" Bruce Tabor, a founding member of the Fair Play for Cuba

Committee, a correspondent for the Columbia Broadcasting System (CBS), and probably a CIA asset.

Robert Tabor knew and associated with various news correspondents in Cuba in 1961 including New York Times correspondent Ruby Hart Phillips who worked in

Cuba for 25 years. Phillips often shared her Miami apartment with CIA operatives Frank Fiorini/Sturgis, Alex Rorke, and William Johnson.139 139 Army Intelligence report 470th INTC Detachment, Fort Amador, Canal Zone 12/3/63; testimony of William Johnson   Tabor arrived in Cuba in January

1961 and accompanied Fidel Castro during the Bay of Pigs invasion as a news reporter and was wounded in his leg.

Approximately 3 weeks after the Bay of Pigs Robert Tabor, dressed in a khaki uniform and armed with a .38 pistol, entered Sloppy Joe's Bar in Havana on crl}tches.

Accompanying Tabor was a young man, dressed in khaki trousers and a blue denim shirt, who was carrying a portfolio. T he two men approached Dr. Luaces and Tabor introduced

his friend to Dr. Luaces as Lieutenant Harvey Oswald, an arms expert. Dr. Luaces was unsure if the young man's name was "Oswalt" or "Oswald" and asked him to spell his

last name. Oswald told Dr. Luaces his name ended with a "D." Tabor asked Oswald to open his briefcase and show Dr. Luaces the contents.

In the briefcase were a series of folded charts, one of which Oswald took out and unfolded. T he chart Oswald showed to Dr. Luaces was a cut-away training aid for theM-

1 rifle. Dr. Luaces asked Oswald why he had not yet been picked up by Cuban authorities, to which Oswald replied "because he had not yet been found." Luaces felt so

uncomfortable with Tabor and Oswald and their discussions about rifles, that he left the bar. He never saw Oswald again but occasionally saw Tabor in Havana during the following

months. Dr. Luaces left Cuba in July 1961 and moved to the Republic of Panama. On December 3, 1963, following the assassination of President Kennedy, he was interviewed

by Army Intelligence. Their report stated, "Dr. Luaces definitely identified the individual introduced to him by Tabor as the 'Lee Harvey Oswald' whose picture recently

appeared in the local press as the accused assassin of President Kennedy."140 140 Army Intelligence report 470th INTC Detachment, Fort Amador, Canal Zone 12/3/63.

7 minutes ago, Mathias Baumann said:

Like Oswald, Lopez was also of interest to Naval Intelligence. Also similar to Oswald, Gilberto Lopez made a mysterious trip to Mexico City in the fall of 1963, attempting to get to Cuba. Lopez even used the same border crossing as Oswald, and government reports say both went by car, though neither man owned a car. Like Oswald, Lopez had recently separated from his wife and had gotten into a fist-fight in the summer of 1963 over supposedly pro-Castro sympathies.

And this of course leads to Arthur Valle in Chicago related to the Chicago Plot with much the same details and set-up.

Which were either

1) real events which would then make the Oswald activities meet the dual purpose of creating bona fides for his infiltrations as well as incrimination should the deed be done in Dallas

or 2) Paper events made up to lead ultimately to Oswald in Dallas...   (I personally think it's #1)

If you go to the Warren Commission Docs and search on "Vallee" you will be amazed at the attempts at connection Vallee to Oswald...

"Never believe anything until it's been officially denied"

57 minutes ago, W. Tracy Parnell said:

Deal with the exhumation and the other scientific and common sense evidence.

Deal with 200 out of 123....  decades before this exhumation.

For those following and wanting some real information instead of opinion...  the card in the Middle is HARVEY's original card...

The FBI forged the boy's school records by changing the cumulative PERM record.  All the information from each school is sent to a central location where PERM records are kept...  

This is flanked by the actual WCE #1384 and another version of the middle form with all the data.

The card in the middle was HARVEY's PERM card and should not exist in the state it's in.  This shows the first semester of PS117 prior to the transfer to PS44.  There were 3 PS44's in NYC in 1953: Bronx, Manhattan and Brooklyn.  PS44 already appears on the middle card and is the 3rd change of schools recorded on the form.

Why does it stop here?   

The PS44 data on CE1384 from 3/23 to the end of the semester is not possible... not even close as we've shown.  

LEE Oswald attended PS44 in Manhattan while HARVEY is in PS44 in the Bronx.  The PS44 data on that card is a combination of LEE's record and the miscounting of school days between 3/23/53 and 1/6/54...

What permanent record would not include mention of the boy's stay at YOUTH HOUSE?
What permanent record would have 70 more days of school than is possible?
Why does his probation officer Carro and his caretaker Marge say in numerous reports that Oswald entered BACK the 9th grade in May 1953? He was supposed to be in the 7th grade in May 1953...

huh?

5 minutes ago, Chris Newton said:

Is that white out or is that air stuck under the lamination? I see a thin grey/white area around the edge that makes the card seem to be laminated.

White out I believe...

Here's one more with the LEE OSWALD SSS card original and the finished product along with the white out locations

On ‎9‎/‎1‎/‎2017 at 1:06 PM, Chris Newton said:

The very first card on that page is the ID Oswald presented on arrest in New Orleans (not the "fake" DoD dependent card). The backside has Oswald's dates of service and the card is signed by Lt. jg. Ayers. This is what the FBI report indicated.

That little mystery is resolved.

 

I was speaking of Cole 5 and 6...  I mistakenly put the DOD front on Cole #2

There sure does seem to be a bunch of blank DOD cards in those Cole exhibits from which to create the Oswald/Hidell finished products...

It's as if COLE is showing us how they think Oswald did it...

but it seems to white out the ALEK ID and not someone else's to create his...  or from a blank.

This is #803 into #804 with the final product inverted...

and here is a LARGE version of the actual card

George ?

1 hour ago, W. Tracy Parnell said:

Sure I understand it. He is saying that the school records were partially misread by Head and you guys are using that to make your case. Try this-get a group of unbiased scientists and have them review the evidence for and against H&L. See if they think school records trump the exhumation and other scientific evidence and the recollections of LHO's family and close associates. And as I said, put the $1000 thing up for a vote by the members here. But I will already tell you that you will lose which is why you won't do it. We did an informal poll a couple of years ago and H&L lost. H&L is one of the few things that brings CTs & LNs together in this case. That should tell you all you need to know-it is nonsense.

You are only talking about Beauregard JHS Tracy... and you know it.

Deal with NYC...  FBI and the Evidence shows 200 days of attendance and absence within 123 total days of school... 

Math doesn't work that way...   and only the current POTUS gives credence to "informal polls" as accurate research... 

Well done 

32 minutes ago, Chris Newton said:

David my understanding is that there are "books" of uniquely numbered cards given to each service branch . Therefore, I assume that the numbers could be duplicated between different services. Oswald's card begins with a "N" - Navy,  Powers' card begins with "AF" - Air Force. There's no correlation between the numbers on each card. I also believe that the number of the card issued correlates to the book it was taken out of, they are not issued from a central location so a Card issued at EL TORO and a card issued the same day at Pearl Harbor would be issued from two different "books" and could have wildly different numbers.

Yet there still should have been a central record of these numbers and who they were assigned/given to... as well as the spent "books" with a certain number in each...

yes?

On ‎9‎/‎1‎/‎2017 at 11:00 AM, James DiEugenio said:

I wasn't addressing you.  I was addressing Sandy.

 

I fully understand the Money Order for the wrong rifle, but why would it be necessary to create this?

The Money Order was also created to establish a transaction that never occurred, separate and distinct from the rifle situation.

These are created to connect one man's history to this man's face... as I see it.

How many photo IDs of Harvey's face connected Lee's information do we have Jim?  the Folsom and Donabedian Exhibits have only the induction photo... if you Google "Oswald Military ID" you only get this and the SSS card...

If we accept the premise that this person was not Lee, how can the plan establish the relationship between the face and the military record after 1956's photo of Lee's ginormous head as he enters the Marines.  How do we connect this man to those 3 years in the Marines when Ely, Jenner and Leibeler are aware of the conflicts presented by the exposure of witnesses to 2 different people.

I believe these are photos of Lee... the larger man.

On ‎9‎/‎1‎/‎2017 at 10:21 AM, Sandy Larsen said:

Tracy,

You don't understand Greg's explanation, do you?

 

There's nothing to understand....

He never addresses 200 days within 123...  or anything else for that matter...

GP deals with Beauregard JHS and the conflict between grade cards and grades given for the FALL 1953 at BJHS and the NYC record (which we continue to prove is a forgery) which has him leaving NYC in Jan 1954.  Myra DeRouse is the key witness related to that time period.

John Ely attempted to write a bio on Oswald's life:

And then Blakey uses the DOD letter and hides the Unit Diaries I post below... 

He further cannot resolve the DOD's letter claiming Oswald never went to Ping Tung with the rest of his group despite the reports of his activity while in the Philippines

Here is the evidence of his leaving for Ping Tung and returning.

To accept GP's conclusions which barely account for a fraction of the evidence offered is truly a joke on anyone wasting their time...

For his writing to be accepted, H&L must be debunked... he leaves himself no other option...  One ought to look into the motivation behind these H&L attacks...

To our readers... does any of it sound like a sincere attempt to learn what the evidence says ??

53 minutes ago, Bernie Laverick said:

"The point wasn't that they looked alike..." So why did so many people mistake 'one' for the 'other'? The photos you've just posted only confirm how creepily similar they were, or even identical...or the same person! Look at them!!

"We truly do no know the origin of Harvey..." As if this has anything to do with the question being asked, but it does divert from the impossibility of explaining this part of the fantasy.

Apparently to answer the question as to whether 'Harvey' looked similar to 'Lee' one has to consult with someone  "who understands the inner workings of the planning minds at the CIA/FBI" Only they are qualified to make that judgement. But surely those who saw 'Lee' whilst 'Harvey' was in Russia were qualified or your theory crumbles.

Still any idea where 'Lee' was living while 'Harvey' was in Russia? Anything at all? Steve Gaal used to say, with absolutely no evidence, that he was kept in a CIA safe-house. But seemingly he was occasionally allowed out to go and buy trucks using his real name... Wasn't he also caught doing a bit of fishing in another H&L chapter? This doesn't sound like some highly charged CIA plot to meld two characters from adolescence under the strictest secrecy in order to use one as a patsy in an assassination that hadn't even been planned then. It sounds more like a an episode from The Keystone Cops...

H&L = LN

Never forget that!

 

So basically your question was both insincere and a setup for you to jump in with an attack on H&L...

You're not interested in a discussion or exploration... you simply want others to know what a big brain you got related to your H&L opinions...

Your last post here was March 2016...  Parker give you your marching orders to come disrupt us here... again?

Run along Bernie... your nonsense can be seen coming from miles and miles away

Ever actually read the book yet?

44 minutes ago, James DiEugenio said:

Are we now saying, based on the Powers card, that it might be genuine?

Not sure if you're addressing me...  This screams the same SOP as the Money Order... at least to me.

It's a real item used to incriminate via ID and association.  It's just not genuine.

Another example is the Mexican Tourist Visa...  William Gaudet of the CIA could easily acquire blank forms... problem for them was they chose the wrong application for the visa in evidence...

4 minutes ago, Bernie Laverick said:

Did 'Harvey' look similar enough to Lee that many people mistook one for the other? Bearing in mind that a huge part of the H&L evidence relies on witnesses saying they saw one while the other was somewhere else, they must have looked very similar if not identical. 

How did the planners know that this would happen when they were recruited as children? 

Bernie knows full well we've discussed this to death....

The point wasn't that they looked alike (there was no internet, fax machines or video to make side by side comparisons)
the point was the man who was sent to Russian have a believable history intertwined with the real Lee Oswald.

We truly do no know the origin of Harvey ... all we know is the boy coming back from NYC is not the same boy taken to NYC.

When and if you ever have the opportunity to discuss this with a CIA master planner, or someone who understands the inner workings of the planning minds at the CIA/FBI - it would be great to hear their answer.

Other than that, I'm not sure how anyone who has never been part of intel/counter-intel planning at that level could provide you an answer.??

The boy pictured on the left entered 7th grade in Sept 1953 at 5'4" and 115lbs...
The boy on the right left 8th grade and in Aug 1954 is shorter and lighter...

After the 1959 Passport photo, there are no other photos in evidence of Lee Oswald. 
Lee, on the right, is 5'11 and well over 140 lbs... the man on the left is not.

George...

You post with such definitiveness

Are you presenting opinions - if so please offer the supporting evidence...  if these are facts... please cite a reference beyond Horne's own speculating...

I understood Horne wanted to test the film to see if it was daylight or artificial light film... they didn't allow him to do that.

The key here is Philip's note stating to disregard the personal scenes on the 8mm film...  If a copy of the 16mm original was split into a combined A>B film in 8mm format, any one of the 5 films (0183-0187... I include 0184) could be that film.  Dino claims it was "original" which jives perfectly with my theory that he got an altered version of 0184.

In all your reading have you found the chain of possession of the Rowley film after it reaches Rowley? - which for me remains a key to understanding who facilitated the conspiracy.  I have not read a single account in anyone's account or timeline...

We are to remember that CE399 only comes into being when Rowley hands it to Todd an hour and a half after Frasier already received it.

SS Chief Rowley handles both CE399 and the Zfilm on Friday night....  despite his agents telling the FBI during the autopsy that yet another bullet is lodged behind JFK's right ear...

If Rowley has the 8mm version of 0184...  especially at 48fps... Most anything could have been done to that film prior to Dino.

Zapruder departed Kodak's Dallas Plant at about 9 PM, and turned over two of the three first day copies (IOW Zapruder kept 0183 and a best copy) to the Secret Service. One was sent to Washington, D.C. — to Secret Service Headquarters — by Dallas Secret Service agent Max Phillips, who placed it on a commercial flight late Friday night. It arrived in Washington after midnight, and sometime before dawn, on Saturday, 11/23/63. The second u201Csame day copyu201D relinquished to the Secret Service by Zapruder on Friday night was loaned by the Secret Service to the FBI in Dallas the next day, on Saturday; and then flown by the Dallas office of the FBI to FBI headquarters, in Washington, on Saturday evening. [7]

Yet as we both know... Zapruder had TWO (2) films not 1.  In that wonderful article Horne does not again address this film which was in the hands of the SS Chief in the nation's capitol sometime between 2am and 4am.  In essence this film seems to have vanished?

Time and date: This event commenced about 10 PM, EST, on Saturday evening, 11/23/63, when two Secret Service officials (estimated to be in their late 30s or early 40s) brought an 8 mm home movie of the JFK assassination to the CIA's National Photographic Interpretation Center, located in building 213 in the Washington Navy Yard. (At no time could Mr. Brugioni recall either of their names.) They had not yet seen the film themselves, and Mr. Brugioni is of the distinct impression that they had just gotten off of an airplane and had come directly to NPIC from the airport. They did not volunteer where they had come from, or where the film had come from. The event at NPIC went on all night long, until about dawn on Sunday, November 24th. [Note: The home movie of the assassination brought to NPIC by the two Secret Service officials was not copied as a motion picture that night; nor did NPIC even have the capability to do so.]

Am I reading this wrong?

Powers card # is 1,288,068 while Oswald's is 4,271,617?

3 million cards in between?

Does that seem possible and correct Chris?

(edit) let me rephrase...  do we have anything beyond that number to show it was part of a sequence of DOD cards given out?

When you ever attempt to explain how 200 goes into 123 we can continue.

Until then you are simply avoiding a direct question.

Here are the 210 school days AGAIN... can you show us which 200 days he was both in attendance or absent...

or is that simply well beyond your abilities?

and yes... let the readers decide....