David Josephs

You mean upon reviewing this strong evidence?

Rolando BARRIOS – an employee who was dismissed from the travel agency by  manager Teresa Schaeffer Bequerisse – is the source for both the Del Norte ticket order #14618 and the Greyhound exchange order #43599.  CE2121 p64-72

WCD 1084 p106-108 In Summary:

·         Alejandro SAUCEDO, manager Flecha Rojas bus terminal Mexico City, tells us that “soon after the assassination” the Flecha Rojas evidence was taken by “unidentified investigators” of the Mexican Government.  He felt the name LEE HARVEY OSWALD did not appear thereon.

·         SAUCEDO claims these men were only interested in the info related to bus #516 on Sept 26^th. 

·         These men tell SAUCEDO that THEY WERE JUST AT FRONTERA where they located the PASSENGER list for Oswald’s departure from Mexico City.*

·         Mr. SAUCEDO, as told by the same informant: T-12, added on April 2nd that the two men who took the evidence were Policia Federal Judicial (PJF) and that they already had Flecha Rojas duplicate from Nuevo Laredo. 

On March 24^th, a week or so earlier, the DFS Assistant Director BARRIOS (different man) informs us that the DFS did NOT conduct an investigation with regards to Oswald’s travel.  *We come to find only a few pages prior in this same report that the FRONTERA evidence was “corrected” by Arturo Bosch of the Mexican Presidential Staff.  WCD 1084 p103

Hey there Doug...

I'm sorry if the reply came off as an assumption of your endorsement...

I've read your posts and followed the links long enough to know that.

Kenney was surgeon general of the Navy....  did he put out a report we've not seen but know of?

I can't find one...

I typed "Surgeon General report JFK autopsy 1963" into Google and got the link you posted above as the 1st hit...

This terrible report is everywhere....  and completely populates the search results page....

ugh

Glenn:

Mr. EISENBERG - The bullet is in the same condition as it was when you received it?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir; except for the marking of my initials and the other examiners. There is a discoloration at the nose caused apparently by mounting this bullet in some material which stained it, which was not present when received, and one more thing on the nose is a small dent or scraped area. At this area the spectographic examiner removed a small quantity of metal for analysis.
Mr. EISENBERG - Did you prepare the bullet in any way for examination? That is, did you clean it or in any way alter it?
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; it was not necessary. The bullet was clean and it was not necessary to change it in any way.
Mr. EISENBERG - There was no blood or similar material on the bullet when you received it?
Mr. FRAZIER - Not any which would interfere with the examination, no, sir. Now there may have been slight traces which could have been removed just ,in ordinary handling, but it wasn't necessary to actually clean blood or tissue off of the bullet.

The match was only the grooves of 399 matching the barrel of the MC....  At some point the rifle was fired into a substance like cotton or water...  Since it appears to me that the DAY rifle out from the TSBD is not CE139, who knows when the switches were made?

(Side note on rifles: Over the Labor Day weekend while Oswald and family are in New Orleans with the Murrets (Lee’s mother’s sister and husband), two men arrived at the door of one Robert McKeown, a self confessed arms dealer who worked in similar circles as Jack Ruby, had supplied arms for Castro’s cause and was a close friend of Castro himself.  McKeown was on probation at the time. Lee Oswald announces to McKeown that he has finally found him and would like to buy 4 rifles for $10,000.  Lee Oswald was traveling with a man named Hernandez. [H&L])

This compares the rifle in evidence with the huge photo of DAY and the rifle...  we don't even see faint outlines of the markings on the TSBD rifle....

There was well more than 1 C2766 and if we remember, Riva's job was to grind off the serial numbers...

What amazes me is despite Frazier being the ballistics expert you'd think the FBI would be interested in any debris on that bullet to match fibers, match skin or blood...
There was nothing on the bullet cause the bullet was never in Dallas....  Chief Rowley produces it and gives it to Elmer Todd...  who according to the evidence gives it to Frazier over an hour after Frazier had already received it...

CE399 is part of the Secret Services role...  dropping protection, taking the body, arranging the morgue, Ambulance wild chases... Kellerman front and center.

We also have that FBI memo mentioning a bullet behind JFK's ear in addition to CE399...  (see below)...

13 hours ago, W. Tracy Parnell said:

There goes David Josephs again, resorting to insults to defend the ridiculous H&L theory. Sad but not surprising since he does it all the time.

Keep up Tracy... you're two pages behind the Bernie Lovefest....

He gives, he takes....  I give - I take...  chill out and stop whining already... 

And you both are still lost with regards to a simple question...

Show us one other person in history standing 5'8" with a 13" head....   or at least try to comprehend that the image you're  looking at is not authentic...

No worries though...  expectations for the two of you understanding anything related to H&L continues to plummet...  

so much energy spent chasing your tail...   when maybe you could do an eBay clearance sale and help Bernie get a copy of the book

He appears to need one so very bad....

ok...  one more time

Bernie, what's wrong with this boy having a 13" head?  Have you ANY clue?

10 minutes ago, Bernie Laverick said:

Can't you get a fix...?

you selling again Bernie?  thought you gave that up - oh you musicians...

and you still can't afford the $65?

34 minutes ago, George Sawtelle said:

David

The MC impersonation was an unprofessional job, it was poorly planned and executed. Had it been a CIA project I believe they do a better job.

If it had been the CIA we would see the real Oswald outside the Cuban consulate on his way to the Russian embassy.. Even a picture of Oswald spliced exiting  the consulate area on his way to the Russian embassy. Similar to the BYP. Just enough for plausible deniability. But the CIA was blindsided by the impersonation. They had no time to fake a photo or photograph Oswald.

The idea of the impersonation of course is to link Oswald with a Russian assassin and the assassination of JFK. If there was a mole hunt going on it was secondary IMO.

hang on a moe with that conclusion George...  lol

Let's go for a second with my assumption/conclusion that Oswald was NOT there....  Duran and Azcue meet someone else.  Whether their flip-flop is part of some Cuban intel plan... IDK.

Duran cannot tell us where she sends Oswald to get Photos for the visa application despite her doing so with such ease and how quickly Oswald supposedly returns.

CORNWELL - So, from all the circumstances, did it appear to your that he just went somewhere locally and had the pictures made?
TIRADO - Yeah. I think that I already explained (to) him where he could take the photographs.
CORNWELL - You told him some locations in town where he could go? Were there some right in the neighborhood of the Consulate there?
TIRADO - That I don't remember.

This alone is absurd on its face.  She works at the consulate and verbally recommends a couple, 3 places for photos for him to get...  but can't remember?  If I remember correctly the FBI checked these as well with negative result.  If she names a place and they don't have the requisite back-up ready, she's caught.  This answer is a perfect WCR-ism. 

So... "the" Oswald is not there but someone is playing the part...  and doesn't really look all that much like Oswald:

Mr. CORNWELL. Directing your attention to the period of time immediately after the assassination, the day of the assassination or the day after the assassination, did you during that period of time have an occasion to see pictures of the alleged assassin in the newspapers or to observe on television the man identified at that time as Lee Harvey Oswald? 

Senor AZCUE. Yes, sir, not so close to the date, not in the first few days, not immediately thereafter. Some time I calculate approximately-and I say this because I am not a great movie fan, but it was in mid-December approximately--I saw at that time the film in which Ruby appears assassinating the Oswald who was there, and I was not able to identify him and only 2 months had gone by since I had seen the Oswald who appeared at the consulate. And I had a clear mental picture because we had had an unpleasant discussion and he had not been very pleasant to me and I did not recognize when I first saw him. I did not recognize Oswald. The man who went to the consulate was a man over 30 years of age and very thin, very thin faced. And the individual I saw in the movie was a young Man, considerably younger, and a fuller face.  

In this case George, the last thing the CIA would do is show a photo of this person... it's not Oswald.  Mystery Man is described as "the only american looking person" to  be caught on these films - and even his photo is backdated from Oct 2nd and 4th to the 1st...   

They did not need to PROVE Oswald was there... Phillips has Alvarado's story ready to go yet he blows it by insisting on an earlier date in September...
He does not say his name when on the line with the Soviet Attache, only when he calls the consulate number on Oct 1 does he finally say LEE OSWALD.  

1 hour ago, George Sawtelle said:

The idea of the impersonation of course is to link Oswald with a Russian assassin and the assassination of JFK. If there was a mole hunt going on it was secondary IMO.

I have to disagree with you here.... 

the idea was to connect Oswald to Cuba to Castro.  While war with Cuba might have meant war with Russia, Cuba was the problem 50 miles from Florida.  
Add to this the pro/anti Castro sheep-dip Oswald had been thru that summer....

I think if we ever got more documentation on Vallee and the Tampa patsy we'd see concurrent actions going on.  VALLEE did not go to Mexico City, that we know, yet if Oswald's trip could be "created" couldn't VALLEE's trip also be created?

You are supposing that by Sept 27 the assassination plan in Dallas had been finalized...  that it would be Oswald who had yet to even take a job in Dallas....  hmmmm

Since Egerter felt pretty confident sending down the "Henry" Oswald marked card info - I think that like a lawyer you don't ask anything you don't already have the answer to....  Egerter had to know that the OSWALD she was sending info on was a construct... and also knew she wouldn't run into trouble for it was her shop and Angelton who initiated the calls to begin with...

It's 1963... you can't claim the man was 35 and then in the next paragraph claim he is LEE HENRY born in 1938.  The mystery man photo may have simply been to see where the info goes and who may associate HENRY to it...  IDK.

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What it most effectively did was make "conspiracy" with Castro not only possible but plausible.  LBJ traced it right back to Russia and nuclear war... was he "in the know" for this plan...  I doubt it very highly.

It also forced the FBI to CYA over Odio...   Hoover knew it well before he wrote that line about CIA's double dealing with Oswald in Mexico on a January memo...

....  Osborne/Bowen may have been an asset...  like GAUDET getting the needed paperwork for the visa...  His story and the story of everyone else there that day do not jive at all....
If anything, he adds confusion and a dark background that COULD be attached to our little story, but not necessarily.

The world of 1963 was very, very cryptic and filled with intel volunteers....  scratch the surface of 100 people and you're bound to find a bunch of intel assets...  even more so in New Orleans, Dallas, Miami, Montreal and Mexico City... where our little adventure takes place...

Not all were connected to Oswald, just those Oswald seemed to hang out with...  lol

...you don't pull on Superman's cape;

you don't spit into the wind.

You don't pull the mask off the ole long ranger 

and you don't mess around with Jim...

The report not mentioned you should see about POTITO...  

How would he know what the Surgeon General's report says?  and really, the rest of the article is copy/paste Doug Horne...

This POTITO guy has ZERO CREDIBILITY -

Curious, why did you post this link Doug?

On ‎11‎/‎2‎/‎2017 at 10:12 AM, James DiEugenio said:

What had become evident us that the CIA was caught in a dilemma of their own making.

On the one had, they had these tapes which they claimed were of Oswald.  They even had Helms announce that to the FBI on 11/23.

But they could come up with no evidence that Oswald was in Mexico City.  And believe me they tried.  They even checked the air flights for the last two weeks.  Even their two plants inside the Cuban embassy said they saw no trace of him.

And now the FBI realizes they tapes are not of Oswald!

So Phillips and Goodpasture have to walk the tape story backwards, and they now say the tapes were destroyed.  Which is utter crapola.

They then turn the ground investigation over to Win Scott's buddy Echeverria, who will soon be president.  And what this guy did to  CYA for Phillips is incredible.  He actually created something from nothing.  And then Scott lied his head off to Slawson as to why there were no pics of Oswald, and the idiot Slawson believes it.  But they do ask one question as they leave:  Why did the FBI enter the Mexican inquiry so late, actually February?  Anderson had no real answer.( He could not tell the truth, that is they had to wait for the cover up to be installed.)  But suffice it to say the FBI managed to uncover just how phony the DFS inquiry was.

To put it simply, Echvervarria did a cover up job in reverse for Scott.  He created something that did not happen.  And the WC idiots accepted it.

Another fairly big post, but with the docs needed to support it...   While Bill Simpich may be correct about what was going on down there... I see the FBI knowing early on it was not Oswald, knowing he was in Dallas at Odio's, and knowing the CIA was up to something.  The Alvarado story does not surface until after the 22nd (which was imo the Phase 1 needed story and would have remained if not for the LONE NUT.  Alvarado as Phillips "ace in the hole conspiracy story teller" simply had to disappear.

"they could come up with no evidence that Oswald was in Mexico City."

I know you're referring to the CIA here but it was the FBI who actively looked for signs of Oswald all thru Nov....  The CIA handled ALVARADO and DURAN both thru Echevarria ... and claimed since they did not want to reveal sources and methods they'd only use info from their statements.   I don't see where Echeverria was actively creating the documents or even involved in the "travel" portion of the charade.....  that was up to the FBI who repeatedly got it wrong and simply changed directions and kept going. 

If Oswald was doing what most suspect - traveling to Odio and handing around Dallas during that period... the FBI would be aware of this when the 10/10 cables arrive and surely by the time HOSTY brings it to HOOVER's attention on the 18th. The 18th is also the day which marks one of the bookends for the FBI's(PECK) search for signs of Oswald. 

As I see it the FBI knew the very second they got this that Oswald was not in Mexico.  At least not based on what the FBI was doing. And this remains the only reason HOOVER backed the CIA story...  Oswald was working for him at the time - Can you think of any other reason HOOVER backs the CIA here?

The CIA created all the evidence they would need to leave the lasting impression of Oswald in MX... the FBI reinforced and corroborated the lie.

Why did the FBI enter the Mexican inquiry so late, actually February?  Anderson had no real answer.( He could not tell the truth, that is they had to wait for the cover up to be installed.)

This confuses me Jim cause as I saw it, it was the FBI and assets at Gobernacion who "installed" the cover-up.  HARVEY CASH has the FM-11 info typed on cards on the 22nd.  The FBI via CHAPMAN via HARVEY CASH, American Consul Nuevo Laredo had gotten the "manufactured evidence" from their Gobernacion asset... 

All thru Nov and Dec they are following up on MEX on their own.   By Nov 29th the amount of info the FBI has reported on the MX trip is amazing.  CASH also lied in his reports stating that the evidence did NOT state his mode of transportation...  CASH had the Assistant Chief of Mexican Immigration, ARNOLDO TIJERINA, type these up... iow make copies. 

If you go back into the Mexico work looking for CHAPMAN... I believe you will find HE is the one stringing it along with HARVEY CASH so their Gobernacion asset can compile the "correct" evidence.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=61172#relPageId=10&tab=page  is the link to the FBI report where they also add what the CIA tells them they did....

Here's a report via Belmont from Shanklin stating they saw the photos and hear the tape... it's not Oswald

All they needed was that cable from 10/10 to NAVY, STATE and FBI.  And then the Win Scott memo via Jeff Woosley of I&NS...  by the 22nd of October the DIRECTOR had received numerous memos via the CIA trail claiming that Oswald was in Mexico City.   CB Peck starts to gather intel on Nov 4th and continues up thru the 23rd...

FBI basically states that the only thing suggesting Oswald was in Mexico City - "SECRET communication subject in contact Soviet Embassy"

Peck tried again on the 23rd....

Just now, Sandy Larsen said:

I thought he was talking to Michael, the other trouble maker.  

 

This was his attempt at irony.  I'm kinda hoping for the audience's sake that he preforms better than he posts....

And yeah, it was to Michael...  maybe between them they could do a lemonade stand for a few months and save up to buy 1 copy and share...

23 hours ago, George Sawtelle said:

The CIA was not involved in the impersonation because they had control of Oswald through Phillips and could have let him (Oswald) bury himself in MC.

Disagree here though George...

As I see it, Phillips/Scott ran the "incriminate Oswald" portion of the plan.  Alvarado is a Phillips asset.  Duran could be compromised by the DFS/CIA into confirming something to relieve the CIA of having to divulge secrets of the LI- tapping operations.  When Alvarado was discredited and sent back to Nicaragua all they had was the word of DURAN, AZCUE, photos, and the wire tap transcripts.... and the tapes.

If it was run out of Angleton's with Egerter and Roman and others actively trying to uncover a mole (or any such operation involving Oswald only on the periphery) the idea was to link the name to the concept...  Even when it became obvious that it was not Oswald who the CIA captured in film and tape, Hoover simply adds another person "down there in Mexico" then to admit what his own agents had been telling him all thru Nov - there was nothing indicating Oswald was actually in Mexico.

Even his super secret asset at Gobernacion - the man who would ultimately hand over every piece of Mexico generated evidence for this trip - shows no info on LHO in MX.

As Simpich mentions, the Mexicans and Cubans also ran their own intelligence groups and had their own "mole hunt/plant" agendas. 

While the CIA had operational interest from a military standpoint in Oswald... and he may have been used by the CIA... I see him more associated with the pro/anti-commie/Cuba FBI groups where many of the members are already FBI informants.  FPCC plays a large part in sheep-dipping Oswald.  From what I've read it appears FPCC was run more by the FBI than by the FPCC non-FBI members.

22 hours ago, George Sawtelle said:

The CIA was not involved in the impersonation because they had control of Oswald through Phillips and could have let him (Oswald) bury himself in MC.

No need to leave George - your discussion skills and tapping into new ideas and directions is very encouraging...  you remain one of the enjoyments of posting here...

In all fairness I am rereading State Secret to refresh my memory about the true atmosphere of COLD WAR paranoia that gripped the early 60's.  It is reasonable to conclude that the different factions CIA/FBI/DFS/Cuban Intel/KGB, etc... were not only watching each other but trying to "turn" each other's assets.  It gives deeper meaning to why HQ sent the cables they did starting on the 8th of Oct.

21 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

David:

To get back to the topic, what do you think Osborne was doing on the bus then?

In case the McFarland and two Australian girls story fell apart, was he going to save the day?

 

I think that Osborne/Bowen was on "A" bus just not the Del Norte arriving in Mex City Friday morning.

2nd paragraph page 44....  Bus ticket stubs from Flecha Rojas....  refer back to the 12/7 report from prev post above  "FNU BOWEN, A COMPANION OF BOWEN"

2nd full paragraph page 46 below states that this man took Flecha Rojas (Red Arrow) from N.Laredo to Monterrey

Flecha Rojas leaves Monterrey at 3:30pm while the N.Laredo to Monterrey leaves at 2pm...  it's over 3 hours to Monterrey
Flecha Rojas baggage manifest states there were 18 people on the bus... yet this includes a line under BOWEN's name, just like McFarland indicating someone traveled with BOWEN.

One good possibility is that THIS PERSON with BOWEN was morphed into Oswald for the story.  We will see this again on the return trip with VOORHEES and other witnesses who either worked for the bus lines or for the government of Mexico...  they too falsely put Oswald on these buses.

Jim... I'd have to ask you - do you know why Lopez's report agreed with the WCR about this travel evidence? was that a condition of his being allowed to focus on Mexico city?

From Ch 5:

Another group of men boarded the bus in San Luis Potosi (among a group of 10 people) which the FBI claims is the same bus that our traveling Oswald took at 8:30am from Mexico City.  It is 580 miles from Mexico City thru Potosi to Monterrey.   It is 260 miles from Mexico City to San Luis Potosi and at 40mph we have a 6-7 hour trip meaning that bus #332 would arrive in Potosi between 2:30 & 3:30pm. (Right on time for Voorhees to leave for Monterrey at 2:40pm) This group, in WCD 1219 p1-4(b) WCD 1219 p1(b)  claims their bus left Potosi at 11am.  It is not possible for an 8:30am bus from Mexico City to get to Potosi in time to leave at 11am.   These men were not on bus #332 that left Mexico at 8:30am.

On ‎11‎/‎1‎/‎2017 at 4:54 AM, Bernie Laverick said:

You are a trouble causer; anyone who questions H&L is. You are also stupid and ignorant with not ounce of original thought. Have you even read the book? No? Oh, there's tons of stuff in there that we haven't talked about. Oh yes all the compelling parts are in there if you read it. Just because we don't share those bits doesn't mean they aren't there. We just share the bits that have an inherent alternative explanation, but the bits from the book that we don't talk about on here prove the theory to be 100% correct. If you buy/read the book you too will be the recipient of this superior knowledge and you will be convinced of the ultimate truth. Don't go by what we write on here, that doesn't mean a thing. It's ALL in the book!

So Michael, since you haven't taken out a mortgage to buy a book who's central themes have been discussed infinitum on here over many many years, you are simply not qualified to even make a comment unless it is in agreement. So give us your best shot, son! Let's see your chops! You are a joke sunshine a complete joke!

I thought I'd give David Josephs a day off!

Hey there Sandy...  so little yappy dog attempts to bite.... 

$65 is a house mortgage for you Bernie?  Gigs not paying what they used to I guess

  Really Bernie...  you're going to whine over $65?  Then again you'll cry and whine about most anything...  poor you... never heard of a library?  

The book was never intended for people like you Bernie.... in fact most books aren't.

No doubt muddling thru a book with words and no pictures is 3 steps above your pay grade...
and you aint never gonna learn what you don't wanna know...

So why spend so much of that precious time you have on this if you are so sure it's not true?  (RHETORICAL QUESTION)

A: Cause you have nothing to offer and need to stand on the shoulders of your betters just to be heard.

When do you ever come here and ADD to the discussion instead of poke it with a stick for a few weeks? (RHETORICAL QUESTION)
  (hint: you don't)

On ‎11‎/‎1‎/‎2017 at 4:01 AM, Michael Walton said:

I worked on my masterpiece  reply last night. It involves contrast, 13 inch heads,  sloping shoulders and no bridges, including the kind you cross and the kind that fills in missing teeth.

 WALTON...  if you think a 13" head on a 5'8" 18 year old is normal...  your head remains so firmly planted in the ground it's comical.  Amazing how you are so insecure you can't even trust your own eyes if it somehow conflicts with your pre-conceived and wholly unsupported ideas.

We're pretty sure what it was you "worked on" last night, all by your little lonesome self... 
Geez, between you and Tracy you can't add or measure....  and we're suppose to look to you for evidence backed rebuttal...

When do you ever come here and ADD to the discussion instead of poke it with a stick for a few weeks? (RHETORICAL QUESTION)
  (hint: you don't)

Thanks Paul...   that's a real nice synopsis of my Chapter 2 work on the evidence of Oswald's Mexico trip....

To add a little strength to the conclusion...  there is a passenger manifest for Flecha Rojas leaving Monterrey at 3:30 (15:30) on which the FBI placed Oswald, Bowen, McFarland and the 2 Aussie girls.

What's important here is the departure time on 9/26...  3:30pm.  The Flecha Rojas bus leaves Nuevo Laredo at 2pm.  (all this is shown in my last post) yet it's over 3 hours to Monterrey.

Furthermore, the Aussies repeatedly claim they bought Del Norte bus tickets....  The Del Norte bus leaves at 7:30.

Mr. BALL. Now, you got on the bus at Monterrey on the evening of September 26 at 7:30 p.m., you just told me?
Miss MUMFORD. Yes.
Mr. BALL. And what was the company that operated that bus, do you know?
Miss MUMFORD. That was also Transporter del Norte.

McFarland affidavit:
Q. Did you see Oswald speaking to any other persons?
A. Yes. We observed him conversing occasionally with two young Australian women who boarded the bus on the evening of September 26th at Monterrey, Mexico. He also conversed occasionally with an elderly man who sat in the seat next to him for a time.

FBI report placing all these people together on the wrong bus.  But confirms a 2pm departure...   of note: Flecha Rojas = Continental Busline and Del Norte = Greyhound.

The other two buslines were Anahuac and Frontera...

I am of the opinion that none of what the Aussies or McFarland said was their own words.

Our man BALL, as shown in another great thread about creating the desired testimony record tries to get Pam onto a bus leaving Nuevo Laredo at 10am since he surely knows that the Monterrey to Mexico City bus THEY ARE AGREEING TO GO WITH leaves at 3:30pm.   a 2pm departure would never make it...  

Repeatedly solutions were offered only to be overwritten due to inconsistencies and timing problems...  You mirror what I concluded...

The FBI created a journey for Oswald...  whether he was actually there on the 27th is highly unlikely

Mr. BALL. Didn't you leave the bus depot at Laredo on September 25th, about 10 o'clock in the morning, or was it September 26? 
Miss MUMFORD. September 26. Now, hold on. We had one day in Monterrey and one night in Monterrey. We left Monterrey, I know, on the night of September 26 at 7:30 p.m. 

1 hour ago, Steve Cearfoss said:

ID mr Papich please

Google is your friend Steve...

http://spartacus-educational.com/JFKpapich.htm

Sam Papich was born in 1914. He joined the Federal Bureau of Investigation in 1941 and during the Second World War he did undercover work in South America.

In 1961 he was investigating Sam Giancana. Papich was approached by CIA agents who were working with Giancana in the plot to assassinate Fidel Castro. He told J. Edgar Hoover about what the CIA/Mafia plot. Papich was assigned the task of spying on the operation to kill Castro. Later he became the FBI's liaison officer with various divisions within the Central Intelligence Agency.

In 1963 Papich was involved in the investigation of the assassination of John F. Kennedy. His main responsibility was coordinating CIA information for FBI agents investigating Lee Harvey Oswald. Papich told a journalist that he had serious doubts about the reliability of the Warren Report. He found it difficult to believe that Oswald was the lone gunman: “This would have been very fancy shooting even for the best marksmen in the FBI. But everything we had on Oswald indicated that he was a crappy shot.”

The same journalist later claimed that The Man Who Knew Too Much by Dick Russell contained some very important information that had been missed: "Several times he stopped the interview and referred me to that book. It was very strange, as if he was trying to tell me something. I’m not sure what, but he just kept saying it was an interesting account of events. Knowing Sam as I came to, I have been left with the impression that he regarded certain threads in that book has worthy of further exploration, but thought that journalists had not picked up on those threads."

Papich retired from the FBI in 1970. Later he served on the President's Foreign Advisory Board and as a consultant to the Joint Chiefs of Staff in an assessment of Soviet intelligence deception. In 1973 Papich became director of the Organized Crime Prevention Council.

Sam Papich died in Albuquerque on 22nd December, 2004.

Excellent read... thanks Jim.

Obviously I have some thoughts on Osborne/BOWEN and the Mexico evidence on which his name appears.

124-10003-10385 is a FBI report from JANUARY 21, 1964 stating that Photos of BOWEN match OSBORNE despite OSBORNE denying he was BOWEN.
The report says he was interviewed on Jan 7th in Mexico as re-confirmed by Kowalski's essay...

Yet a month prior on Dec 8, 1963 the FBI and Mexico City are aware of BOWEN/OSBORNE (see page below)... (the reality is that by mid day Nov 22, the records from all 4 bus lines for the days in question were "borrowed" by someone on the Mexican presidential staff...)  As you will notice in the doc below, the manifest suggests that BOWEN has traveling with a companion...

When a line is placed under the name - like McFarland and his wife who is represented by the line - it means there was another traveler...or the reality that these three were never on this bus for one simple reason...  the bus to Mexico City leaves Monterrey at 3:30pm.  the bus from Neuvo Laredo leaves at 2pm...

You can't get from place to place in 90 minutes... even today it takes over 3 hours....  I also have the Monterrey bus manifest for Flecha Rojas to Mexico City where only passengers who board in Monterrey ...  of course the Ausiie girls are not on it... Pam Winston repeatedly states she and her friend took DEL NORTE to Mexico City.  Even Hoover finally admits that Flecha Rojas was incorrect...  

bowen/osborne was placed on this bus, like McFarland and Oswalt - after the fact....   

 https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11640#relPageId=281&tab=page 

Bus Nuevo Laredo to Monterrey: Trip Overview

The WCR never refers to him as "BOWEN" only "Osborne" and a number of FBI reports as well as the WCR recap state he denied it was Oswald.
 

On ‎7‎/‎22‎/‎2017 at 11:57 AM, James DiEugenio said:

John Kowalski has written a new article about the wholly mysterious and mendacious Albert Osborne,  on a bus to Mexico with someone called Lee Oswald in September of 1963, who then left the country nine days before the assassination to see his family in England.

This next paragraph and after neglects to mention that the MacFarlands, the Aussie's and "BOWEN" were on a Del Norte bus.  The Flecha Rojas baggage list was altered to add "OSWALT" just as the FRONTERA bus manifest was changed by BOSCH from a Nov date to Oct 2nd at 2pm.  This too had to change since that bus doesn't accomplish the trip in time.

The Mexican authorities had disposed of the original and a copy of the passenger list for the Flecha Roja (Red Arrow) bus that Osborne rode in Mexico. Therefore, the FBI used the luggage manifest and immigration records to piece together who was on the bus.72 This is how they found the name of Mr. Bowen. But they could not find Bowen. One problem with finding Bowen/Osborne was that he had tossed out a bundle of tall tales to the people around him on the bus. As the FBI noted in their long report, he told some passengers that he had never been to England, that he was a retired schoolteacher, and that he was working on a book about the Lisbon earthquake.73

On ‎10‎/‎31‎/‎2017 at 3:46 AM, Michael Walton said:

Yes exactly that. I've  said this numerous  times here. There is NO plausibility and realistic narrative in the whole HL story. The story is like a murderer who keeps claiming he's  innocent  when he was found at the  scene bloodied and standing  over the victim.

Any seasoned  homicide  detective would laugh Jim out of the room and throw the book and CDs in the trash if he read the HL story.

Anyone on here who supports  it is just paranoid and thinks the entire case is rigged or sees little monsters in the shadows.

Mike...   have you tried reading the book ?

As for "seasoned detectives" - they were part of the conspiracy bud...  the entire Dallas homicide department completely forgot how to run an investigation?

Short of the Cliff notes Mike... what are you expecting here? 

Have you read about Angleton and Harvey, Helms and Hunt and Phillips and Shakely and Robertson and on and on...

You are claiming with a straight face that the CIA of the 50's and 60's was not only the perfect entity to enact these plans but the only one capable of hiding it completely...  Angleton kept files the CIA didn't even know about....

So once again I see that those who can't DO, Critique others.... 
Do you always smack things you don't understand with a stick... or do you try to understand that which you currently don't?

Are you claiming what you know of H&L could NOT be accomplished by those in power?
 

What exactly is your bone of contention - that YOU can't buy it?  that YOU have a problem seeing...  cause I have yet to see you debunk any of the evidence...

I'm fairly sure you're not even familiar with the evidence enough to try and debunk it....  Judy Baker on the other hand is easily debunked... I've posted and written articles on the woman's lying and conning abilities. 

At the end of the day I think what bothers you most is that you just don't know what to do about it...  the evidence is all there... the interviews are all there...

John and I have talked about the small cadre of folk who feel it their duty to debunk this theory...  He's thrilled since all along the point was to take a closer look.
You looked and it doesn't ring true for you... fine...  but nothing offered so far DEBUNKS the evidence of these 2 men or the charade that was played with a 12 year old boy and his mother.

For those who follow... keep digging, ask questions.

And see if you can deal with this....  El Toro and Santa Ana are 2 DIFFERENT bases...

You think the assistant Provo Marshall is inclined to lie about things just for grins?
and we all know about John Ely's journey thru the looking glass...

Show me something compelling to deal with the evidence from the years 1952 thru 1963... explain the 7th, 8th, & 9th grade problems in the records, from Carro and the ongoing misremembered life of Margaret/Marguerite's testimony. 

Sorry Mike... these two men are not the same man...  yet both were identified as LHO.

Shoulders don't lie.

Let me ask you something Mike...  just to identify fakes and forgeries...  the following is the LHO Marine induction photo...

What is wrong with this picture?

15 hours ago, W. Tracy Parnell said:

Using the method I explained in the article, his head is 11.4 inches. You have never explained where you got the blue ruler or what it is based on. It appears to be just something you estimated. My analysis is based on science and described and I stand by it. I also resent your implication that I have no interests since you don't know me and therefore could not know what my interest are. I think this conversation is over for now.

Very good Tracy...,

Now explain how a 13 year old has an 11.5" head... and the 18 year old has a 13" head...  both over 50% too big...

You gonna try to sell me a bridge next?  I hear the GW is up for sale...

and Bernie... don't hurt yourself thinking/asking about the who, what, where, when & how. 
your little brain might simply explode.

4 hours ago, Bernie Laverick said:

So someone is now, at last, going to explain how 'Lee's' body ended up in 'Harvey's' grave.

omg...  you truly are a lost cause...     keep posting PLEASE... you representing the antithesis is more than we could have ever desired...

49 minutes ago, W. Tracy Parnell said:

Another "data dump"!  First, I don't "BS" my way out of anything. I can't explain every discrepancy in the record and I have admitted that many times. It is unnecessary since we have scientific and common sense evidence that refutes H&L. The methodology refuting your claims about the Bronx Zoo photo is clearly explained in the article. And you drawing a ruler with Photoshop proves nothing. It is a fact that you can measure things in a photo as is explained as long as they are close together as they are in this case. Try it yourself and see what you get using your own 18 reference for the iron railing. Strickman's report is perceptive in my opinion knowing what I know about the one and only LHO.

Of course I tried it dude...  just look at the image... your "measurement" of Oswald at 5'4" requires the boy to have a HUGE head...
YOUR technique produces a child with a 13 inch head.  Sorry, not possible...

what you call "data dump" the rest call "offering corroboration thru evidence"...  only you and little Bernie can't tell the difference. 

But go ahead Tracy, explain how the boy had a 13" head using that wonderful measuring technique...  Or can't you see that 5'4" minus 4'6" equals 10 inches and that's not even to his chin?  Here you go again...  we can try and go slower if you need.....

you wrote: "Try it yourself and see what you get using your own 18 reference for the iron railing"... 

uh, Tracy... that's what I'm doing here... do you see the 3rd 18" that makes 54" ...  4 feet = 48 inches so 54" = 4'6"  

Explain to the viewing audience how it's still another 10" to the top of his head from the 4'6" height.... or how that doesn't create a boy with a 13" head...

on the other hand... if he is say...  59" tall / 4'11" and from the 4'6" mark represented a 5" distance... we get an 7-8" face (normal) times 7.5 = 52" to 60"

Or how the marine Oswald image also shows a 13" head...  and why that was created that way...

All you have are your opinions which grow out of poor analysis.  You can't stand the NYC records cause you can't explain them away beyond "mistakes were made"...

Are you claiming that Carro was simply too stupid to do his job properly to know which grade someone was in?
Are you claiming that summer school gets counted as "attendance" despite the child not attending?
Are you claiming the child's permanent school record should not contain his stay at YOUTH HOUSE?

Tracy - after going to your blog and seeing the extremely poor analytics you employ to create your "conclusions" I truly hope everyone gets a chance to chuckle at what is your interesting attempt at analysis and critique. 

That blog is a monument to the anti-H&L paranoia you live in daily...   be hey, at least John's book gave your life some meaning... 

The great thing is, if you bring attention to H&L the more people get to find out for themselves... which was John's entire point in the first place...

Really Tracy, isn't there something better you can be shedding some light on than boring us to tears with each uncorroborated hail mary post in the hope it dents the H&L evidence enough to satisfy some sense of duty you have to the subject?

Bernie thankfully has music...  
I have more interests than you'd care to think about... but you Tracy.  I'm reminded of Thoreau

 “The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation.”

Problem being that Woosley should have conveyed the name Lee HENRY, not HARVEY....

since it was this cc'd memo that reached him...

On 10-18 Clark Anderson sends a cable to Hoover reiterating Win Scott's verbiage... and that it was Lee HENRY

From what I have, the FBI doesn't tell Mexico that it's Lee HARVEY until 10-22 when the linking to his imaginary drinking starts...

On ‎10‎/‎29‎/‎2017 at 3:07 PM, George Sawtelle said:

who do you believe Sylvia Odio or David Phillips and the CIA?

Very astute George...  this is the key to the entire thing...  

Odio was correct in stating Oswald was at her door Friday night...  whoever it is Azcue and Duran met that one and only day, it was not Lee Harvey.

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Pardon me for butting into the discussion James and Mathias... 

On ‎10‎/‎30‎/‎2017 at 12:34 PM, James DiEugenio said:

But Mathas, if you read my review, they did link LHO to Kostikov on the last call right?

There was a call on Oct 3 attributed to Oswald as well.... but to the one at 10:35am on Oct 1: 4 minutes earlier, another call was first made to the Soviet Military Attache 15-69-87... a number whose connection to Oswald is a mystery... he is given the correct number 15-60-55 and a call is made.

Man Outside (OSWALD):  ....But I don't remember the name of the consul
OBYEDKOV:   KOSTIKOV.  He is dark /hair or skin?/.
MAN: Yes. My name is OSWALD.

MAN: Have they done anything?
OBY: Yes, they say that a request has been sent out, but nothing has been received yet.
MAN: And what....?   /OBY hangs up/.

This suggests that between the /.../ are the transcriber's action notes and thoughts.... from the pattern it doesn't appear that "hair and skin?" were said out loud... they would know the Russian word for either, yes?

So all we have is "KOSTIKOV. He is dark."
"Yes. My name is OSWALD."

Isn't strange that OBY hangs up on the man?

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On the LADILLINGER Oct 8 CIA Cable we get from OCT 1 "WHOM HE BELIEVED BE KOSTIKOV" and the OCT 2 & 4 images/description of Mystery Man

On the 10th we get the NAVY/STATE/FBI Message and the reply back to MX - BOTH without mentioning "KOSTIKOV"
The NAVY message even puts DOB: 10/18/39 and "American approx. 35 years old"  a sentence apart.

Now I understand keeping KOSTIKOV from prying eyes or as the ace in the hole... but Win Scott's letter to Ambassador Mann on Oct 16th is cc'd to just about everyone...  If it was Angleton's plan to use KOSTIKOV as a silencer... is Win Scott here playing his FBI loyalty card?  The FBI is not cc'd here but he MUST believe Hoover would get the info from the list of CC's

To me THIS is the confusing part of the puzzle... did Scott use Lee HENRY in this Oct letter to see who would forward the info onto the FBI?

On ‎10‎/‎27‎/‎2017 at 4:49 PM, Paul Brancato said:

On ‎10‎/‎27‎/‎2017 at 10:30 AM, David Josephs said:

I think he means "Wilderness of Mirrors" - an amazing book about Harvey and Angleton....  by David Martin

So I ask myself... if HARVEY was the planner... what leverage is there against those at Bethesda to get them to cooperate... LeMay? Burkley? Galloway?

I just don't get the feeling that the CIA players told the Military players what to do... but vice versa.

I don't think there is distance between the top CIA guys and the JCS. I don't know who might have initiated the plans, but Harvey may have carried them out. David - Could you elaborate a bit?

As I see it Paul...  The OSS was created out of the Military and the Elite... prior to that is was the rich who were the spies as they could afford the travel and lifestyle well-before the US decided to put it's will behind spying.

I see the CIA as the Doberman out front of Military Intelligence/NSA.  The CIA takes the heat, can weather the storm, can break laws (murder and deal drugs) with immunity... can always be the "Bad cop" to every ones else's good cop.   When was the last time anyone hears about the intel work of ONI, MID, etc...? 

My feeling about this remains firmly in the "Military did it" camp.  Bethesda happens for the same reason the SS takes JFK from Parkland...  from what I can see, there is no CIA connection to that action but only the Secret Service and the orders of Chief Rowley...  then again both Kellerman and Greer were ex-military as was Rowley.

I think we can agree that without Bethesda (and/or Walter Reed) and the specter of court-martial hanging overhead, the reverse engineering of the Best Evidence would have been much more difficult.  Given what we now know we can't even imagine an Earl Rose TX autopsy of JFK....  or an uninterrupted journey for the Zapruder film with the NPIC that weekend.

The CIA created the reports which fanned the flames of the Cold War which untied the purse-strings in Congress to spend more on the Military who sent the CIA out in the first place...  one thing I feel certain - Allen Dulles did not tell General LeMay or anyone else in the JCS or Defense Dept what to do.  and Personally I believe more clout was carried in the halls of  Military "Industry" and "Military" than ever would be in the CIA.

A brief History:

The FBI was initially tasked with Western Hemisphere espionage via it's SIS.  It grew pretty well over the 5 years of the war from 1940-45.  But then the war ended and the OSS's work in the Eastern Hemisphere leads to the movement of Nazi's into Central and South America...  We'll need a peacetime Intel unit... and while Hoover pitched the SIS, already in place with assets and a stream of intel as well as operational success... the OSS and the Military were - IMHO - creating a public face for the Military "Dark work" that needed to be done... as well as the DRUG BUSINESS per PD Scott's work.  

Initially much of the stay behind forces in Europe were to protect and take over the Drug business...  (the one and true reason the French were in SE Asia)

The CIA was staffed with OSS, Elite and Military men.  Virtually EVERYONE went thru the military or had a livelihood supported by the Military bases and/or activities.

The first CIA Directors were ex Military Intel.  The first non-military Director was the Sec of State's brother.
ONI and MID do not fade away either... nor do the FBI's SIS assets... so what we have are 3 and 4 different intelligence agencies intermingling with the State department's Ambassadors at the different consulates/embassies around the world.  The CIA provides all these other entities a firewall of perceived protection since any and all DARK WORK would be done by those crazy CIA people... when in most cases it was the Military funding as well as manning a good many of these missions.

But we need a step back... there was also the CIG - Central Intelligence Group which Truman created for 2 purposes:  1. Strategic warning & 2. coordinate clandestine activity. (Headed by the Navy's Rear Admiral Sidney Souers.)

Within the Navy and Army we had ONI and MID (G-2) who were the US's first spying groups.  OSS was an extension of these 2 groups.

While Truman wanted to remove the OSS entirely, the "non-military" portions of OSS were to be preserved in the new SSU (Strategic Services Unit) on recommendation of John J McCloy who was a friend to Donovan, OSS's creator.  McCloy wanted to keep SSU out of the MID (G-2)

It was the JCS who proposed a National Intelligence Agency (NIA) under which the SSU assets would be transferred... JCS Chairman Leahy transmitted the JCS plan to Sec's of Navy and War and finally to State. who sat on it for a while...  the plan for this new Agency included,  (quote)...such services of common concern as the NIA determines can be more efficiently accomplished by a common agency, including the direct procurement of intelligence (end quote...  JCS 1181/5) and was gaining support at top levels of government.

Effectively, Donovan and McCloy insured the intelligence UNITS of the OSS were kept together and folded into the CIG...  2 years later the CIG becomes the CIA.  McCloy remains as one of the "Wise Men" and the wheels on the bus go round and round...

DJ

Hope that elaboration wasn't too long winded... lol

On 10/30/2017 at 10:09 AM, W. Tracy Parnell said:

David Josephs,

I have both the book and CD and I'm unimpressed by the arguments as are many others. I don't care if Armstrong made 10,000 trips to the national archives. That doesn't give him the right to create something out of thin air which is what he did.

WTP,

Your personal level of "un-impressiveness" is literally the last thing anyone here cares about....   if at all.

Your claim about "thin air" only applies to your rebuttals...  if you paid any attention at all you'd know that the wall of evidence supporting H&L and "air" have nothing at all in common.

You can't BS your way out of those witnesses to Oswald at Stripling or at 2220 Thomas...
You can't claim it was "thin air" when the Marine's own Diaries offer the timing conflicts
You can't rebut Allen Felde's timeline 
You obviously can't add to 127, 200 or 210
You know nothing about school records
You probably buy Judyth Baker's story...   

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Let's revisit "unimpressed" for a second...  from you blog: http://wtracyparnell.blogspot.com/2017/03/the-bronx-zoo-photo.html  you write:

"The height in inches of the known object is divided by the same object’s size in the photo. This gives a “ratio” by which the questioned object may be multiplied to find its true height."

You believe that the physical measurement on a photo tells you something about the actual distance within the photo?

I posted this as reference...  So you're claiming that from the 4'6" notch between his nose and mouth, to the top of his head is another 10" to reach 5'4"?

Do you realize how big that makes his head?  yep, about the same size as the Marine photo below...  13"...

once again Tracy you prove yourself incapable of an honest presentation of information or a thorough job.  The measurements on a photo are ESTIMATES at best.  It works with the Bronx zoo photo since his shoulders and the railing are just about in line with each other...

Your "estimation" of this boy at 5'4" is simply indicative of the work you put out and the underhanded manner in which you try to debunk that with which you are so unfamiliar.  

You do the same to Palmer... do you post the letter back to Lifton?  of course not...  yet you so easily claim victory  

Let's actually follow your work thru to its conclusions....
Even a cursorysearch into body ratios tells us that an ADULT HEAD is on average 9" long.  That this length is reached by age 15 or so.
and an adult's height is 7.5x to 8x the length of the head...  at age 10 the head is 7.5" and the child is about 7 heads tall.  Look it up... 

1st thing that should strike you is the 13" head of the OSWALD MARINE PICTURE.  This photo is a deception.  Oswald is standing well in front of the wall behind him causing his head to be way over sized... why in the world would THAT photo need to be a forgery?   lol.

This person with a 13" head and normal ratios (you like ratios) would be over 8 feet tall.  and in this instance the measurement is given... just not the deception.

So you see Tracy...   wading thru the swamp you call a blog for no more than a couple steps I find the same lack of follow-through as you post here. You want so badly for H&L not to affect your buddy's book deals that you throw junk science and bad math at it repeatedly...

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Let's take one more look at this "work"...

The report of social worker Evelyn Strickman Siegel is one of the most perceptive assessments of the psychology of Lee Harvey Oswald and his mother Marguerite ever produced. The report was prepared by Siegel as a part of LHO’s treatment program after he was remanded to Youth House in New York City for truancy in 1953. Siegel was particularly critical of Marguerite who she found to be a “defensive, rigid, self-involved person.”

You go on and on about this report.... how in your "professional" opinion: Siegel is one of the most perceptive assessments of the psychology of Lee Harvey Oswald and his mother Marguerite ever produced  ??  yet she finds the historically upbeat and happy Marguerite somewhat different - and so much more like the historic descriptions of this other woman taking care of Harvey.  but put that aside;

So we agree that this boy was at YOUTH HOUSE in Apr/May 1953 for 17 days in fact...  yes?

He started school on March 23, 1953 and went into YOUTH HOUSE on April 15th.  He started school again on May 8 missing 17 school days
There are only 70 TOTAL DAYS available between 3/23/53 and 6/26/53 for this boy to go to school
There are 54 days of summer between Monday 6/29 and Friday 9/11/53.
He starts again on 9/14/53
109 3/2 + 15 3/2 = 127 days which equals all the school days from 3/23 to 6/26 PLUS all the summer days thru 9/11/53... plus 2.
This boy did not attend summer school - the Bronx zoo photo was Aug 1953 according to Robert who supposedly took it.

Carro writes that upon returning from YOUTH HOUSE he goes into 9th grade... this is repeated in a number of reports and by Marge as well...

If he RE-ENTERS 9th grade... then he STARTED 9th GRADE in Sept 1952....   WTP - how dat?  we go back and start to see the pivotal move to NYC and the complete change in both the boy and his mother...  Do you even bother to tell your readers there were 3 PS44's?  That Pic describes a school in Manhattan.

No Tracy, you don't.  You do half-way work and post opinions rather than conclusions....

and YOU'RE unimpressed?  that's a laugh

Now see, this would make sense since LEE was attending PS 44 in Manhattan while HARVEY is in the Bronx...  the following record is a snapshot of the NYC attendance records...

After YOUTH HOUSE one sees an entirely different boy...  and I do mean entirely different as this boy attends class, is well liked and a general leader as LEE was in elementary school - take a look.

So not only do you botch the realities of photogrammetry but you can't add or subtract any group of numbers to justify the FBI's creation of copied attendance records.

Tracy... 

At the core I appreciate the opportunity to post the accurate counterpoint to your deceptive offerings.  Bernie is obviously worthless to your effort as all he does is get all worked up parroting what you say as he tries in vain to attack me....  squawk !!! 

So  - after showing the first 2 blog entries of yours I looked at and tore apart - I can't see how anyone takes you seriously....

You can't even add.....   

38 minutes ago, Bernie Laverick said:

Trot along Mr Creepy Angry Man. You're not included in this. This is about the big boys, the ones who have done the appropriate research. It is precisely why I suggested there should be no interruptions in this proposed debate.

You absolutely idolise yourself don't you? You see in the mirror an uncompromising warrior single-handedly taking on the entire might of the American intelligence services with your inherent ultra superior knowledge. We see a man in a tin foil hat with quite profound issues...

So trot along trouble causer and go check out the alien/lizard moon landing theory instead of wasting everyone's time here with your ill-informed amateur 'research'.

Bernie, that you can even read is amazing.  That you understand nothing you muddle thru on these pages is obvious.

You haven't been included in any BIG BOY conversations as you wind up wetting yourself, screaming like a child and then holding your breath as you scratch your head in wonder....  you've not contributed one addition thing to these forums other than illustrating yourself as the uninformed, opinionated buffoon you remain after all these years. 

You and Tracy remain the only ones babbling on and on about work you truly cannot grasp... about evidence that eludes you, about a history you simply don't like or want to accept...

Babble on buddy - your representation of the antithesis POV so illustrates the level of thought and consideration you boys put into your work....  At least Tracy and Greg DO SOMETHING...

WTF do you do.....  other than criticize that which remains so far above your comprehension ? 

You do nothing Bernie, add nothing but the parroting of your betters while patting yourself on the back for being so "insightful"... maybe a little less self-pleasuring and some actual research and you wouldn't come off on these pages as a complete fool.

Go back to the stage... sing your melodies and rock on forever...  
the tunes you pitch here are worthless...  always have been.   Until you learn what it means not to be so "half-assed" about the little research in which you do engage and maybe do your homework BEFORE you insert foot into mouth...  you'll forever be a lost little boy tugging at the apron strings of understanding this case.

but hey... it's all in good fun and for the cause of learning...    Love ya buddy...  keep up the great "work"