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I'll ask John...
I think that was the point... Wasn't supposed to be available to the public... Yet my gut tells me it's not the original.
Its shut so you can't confirm or deny its the original or the one used to take the photos...
From what I remember of those conversations...
DJ
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1 minute ago, James DiEugenio said:
David:
Which of the two cameras did Armstrong handle in the Archives? Was it the Minox III?
And as I recall, at one of his addresses, he said it was sealed shut, right? You could not open it.
Cemented shut was how he put it.... it was much heavier than the Minox he owns.... as if filled with cement.
No, it could not be pried open....
The III, yes... the image I posted comes from his CD...
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3 minutes ago, Paul Trejo said:
David,
In my opinion
And here he goes again....
6 minutes ago, Paul Trejo said:Nothing was ever produced to show anything to "strongly suggest" that Marina Oswald lied while under oath.
I am going to take the time to show you one of thousands of lies Marina was caught telling... and it just so happens to be about Mexico...
Shut your hole and read with comprehension - you CAN do that can you?
Marina initially (Nov 28/29) tells the truth about what she knows of MEXICO CITY... but then time passes....
Prior to her WCR testimony Marina took her oath..... to tell the truth, one assumes.
The CHAIRMAN. Very well.
Very well, we will proceed to swear Mrs. Oswald as a witness.
Will you please rise, Mrs. Oswald.
(The Chairman administered the oath to the witness, Mrs. Oswald, through the interpreter.)
The CHAIRMAN. Mr. Reporter, will you rise, please, and be sworn.==========================
But that's in February 1964.... this is what she says in Nov 1963....
https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh23/html/WH_Vol23_0210b.htm is a link to a report summarizing the FBI interview at Six Flags in Dallas of Marina on Nov 29, 1963. On pages 549 and 550 we are told that Marina was asked about Mexico City and Oswald.
"Mrs. Oswald said that she did not know anything about any trip OSWALD may have made to Mexico City."
And the SS interview Nov 29th:
“She was asked whether she had any knowledge of Lee's trips to Mexico or Washington, D.C. She replied in the negative. She was asked whether she or Lee had any cameras and she replied that Lee bought one camera in Russia and a second one in the United States . She said one was a small camera and the other was a box camera. She added that she was not proficient with operating any Cameras and she never had an opportunity to do so.”
WCR testimony:
Mrs. OSWALD. Nothing. And it is at that time that I wrote a letter to Mrs. Paine telling her that Lee was out of work, and they invited me to come and stay with her. And when I left her, I knew that Lee would go to Mexico City. But, of course, I didn't tell Mrs. Paine about it.
Mr. RANKIN. Had he discussed with you the idea of going to Mexico City?
Mrs. OSWALD. Yes.
Mr. RANKIN. When did he first discuss that?
Mrs. OSWALD. I think it was in August.
HSCA testimony:
Mr. McDONALD - When did you first learn of his planned trip to Mexico City? When did you first know about that?
Mrs. PORTER - Shortly before I left for Dallas with Ruth Paine.
Mr. McDONALD - How did you learn of this?
Mrs. PORTER - He told me about his plans to go to Mexico City and to visit the Cuban Embassy over there.
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Mr. RANKIN When your husband talked about going to Mexico City, did he say where he was going to go there, who he would visit?
Mrs. OSWALD. Yes. He said that he would go to the Soviet Embassy and to the Cuban Embassy and would do everything he could in order to get to Cuba.================================
Marina lied her butt off about Mexico... in fact, SHE was the WCR source for Oswald taking a bus to Houston... 2 days AFTER she had already left with Ruth...
How would she know WHAT Oswald did while she was driving to Irving?Once again Paul.... you state conclusions as if you first - understood them and second - as if you could point to the work that enabled you to come to such monumental conclusions...
Here it is again Paul:
23 minutes ago, Paul Trejo said:Nothing was ever produced to show anything to "strongly suggest" that Marina Oswald lied while under oath.
Using absolutes like EVER and ANYTHING does not imply "opinions" Paul.... only facts that you continually misrepresent and will forever be beyond your reach.
Hey
Do a little research BEFORE you post and maybe you wont continue to look so - lost.
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4 minutes ago, Paul Trejo said:
James,
That is, "well documented" according to "Harvey & Lee" science fiction writer John Armstrong and laughing-lawyer Carol Hewett (who dropped out of JFK Research over 20 years ago).
The amusement never stops.
What stuff,
--Paul TrejoBlow it out your $$$ Paul....
The complete garbage they allow you to post here day after day is bad enough... but when you attack someone who runs circles around you in every possible way - enough is enough.
Here he is ladies and gentlemen - the blind man insulting the sun for being too bright....
In all my travels I've never seen someone so self-satisfied at being wrong at every opportunity as you...
You wear ignorance and shallowness like a badge of honor Paul... and you drag down the entire Forum with every attempt at those soapbox serenades which invariably begins with... "In my opinion....." followed by regurgitated garbage and a couple tautologies you claim as evidence.
I see your name on a thread and I shy away... you intellectually pollute these threads Paul...
Now I'm sure you cannot be stopped from posting simply due to the kindergarten level of your analysis and the complete lack of substantiation... and you probably can't be stopped because of your need to repeatedly insult your betters.....
....you might consider this play on the old adage:
Better to be thought a fool and keep quiet than to repeatedly post on this forum and effectively remove all doubt.
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2 minutes ago, Paul Trejo said:
I think you're forgetting that Michael Paine was a Corporal in the US military
So Minox cameras are standard issue for Corporals - are they?
Especially the ones with serial numbers NOT to be sold to the public...
A model "III" was produced from 1951 thru 1953 with serial numbers 31275 thru 58499. (p169 H&L)
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A couple hundred items were taken to DC...
Over 450 are returned.... many not taken from DPD but added in after - they do not have the initials of the DPD taking the photos.
The film of the evidence was also mostly ruined and blamed on the DPD...
https://statick2k-5f2f.kxcdn.com/images/pdf/JosephsBYP.pdf - I get in pretty deep with what happened in that garage and at the Paine's...
They repeatedly refer to this box in the residence which had a camera and other photographic equipment... claimed to be the Paine's.
No mention is ever made of Minox other than in Hill's statement I posted earlier...
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5 hours ago, Mathias Baumann said:
Paul,
why would Michael Paine take photos of military installations?
To help frame Oswald of course....
For a lowly day worker making the bare minimum... his assortment of camera equipment is quite impressive...
Where did he do his developing work? I don't remember ever reading about a "dark room" set-up for Ozzie....
Just curious if anyone knows
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Companies nested in others... Feldsott did a lot of this... and the George Rose Co seemed to be a holding company over all of it....
Much more importantly, the Banking and Weapons from Montreal and the intersection with Permindex shows a global organization we’d expect....
This is the Military Industrial Complex in full glory.... By 1961 we had out produced the need... so create the need... Textron buys Bell and many others in defense... this was a textiles conglomerate that manipulated the US industry... buying a helicopter company losing $100 million the previous year....
The law firms feed the banks which arranges the financing to manufacture the weapons that Congress approves...
McCloy and Gilpatrick both come from Cravath, Swaine and Moore. While the CFR stocks the deck...
Thats over 50 years ago... how entrenched are they now?
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13 hours ago, Mathias Baumann said:
Mark,
Oswald's revolver came from a company in Montreal:
Empire wholesale bought and sold a MC #2766 without a prefix.... in June 1962
Confirming the pistol the DPD says was used on Tippit came from Montreal.... but was not the pistol Carroll gave to Hill.
Another tiny detail.... REA never collected its COD charges.... minor I know, yet the $1.27 was never collected cause the rifle was never shipped to REA in the normal way.... there are literally 3 items of evidence for the pistol... Michaelis exhibits.... a very interesting person to say the least.
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Disagree Jim...
Hill took a Minox camera... It was listed in inventory a number of times
I have and read that article... There was also undeveloped film....
The FBI claiming they didn't get it is b.s. as usual.
Or did I misunderstand?
Listed below, 1 Minox camera, check.
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Sun Life is in Montreal.
Sun Life is part of the Rothschild, Morgan, Rockefeller financial empire which includes Prudential and Hancock insurance companies.
Sun Life and the 1st Bank of Boston owners arrange a loan thru an insurance company... Prudential, for 25 million dollars with a 6 year grace period on repayment to buy a company $100M in the red in 1960......
Bell Helicopter... The CIA's general and brother of the mayor of Dallas is called in to consult.... Will the US be using many helicopters in its SE Asia campaigns? Is Bell a good purchase?
The Viet Nam conflict generated billion$$ for Bell over the next 15 years...
Montreal remained a hub which saw the meeting of mafia, finance, and Intel which did more harm tho this country from a point closer to the US than Cuba...
Follow the money
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On 11/16/2004 at 9:26 AM, Tim Gratz said:
I believe her name was Carol Tyler and she died in a plance crash in 1965. Her rrommate's name was Mary Jo Kopechne. Kopechne died in a car accident in July of 1969. Both ladies were secretaries for U.S. Senator George Smathers.
If I remember correctly.... George Smathers, a JFK groomsman, was the source of financial aid and protector of one Judy V Baker while she was in FL at University..
As she tells it at least....
6 degrees of separation....
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Plus the serial number for his was not part of a batch of cameras sold retail....
And John Armstrong told me the one at the archives was filled with cement... Heavy and stuck shut.
There are many references to the Minox camera in all the alphabetical notebooks at the Dallas archive
Fwiw
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Something else I remembered about Oswald, Dallas and Sept 28th and why I see him in the Dallas area until Oct 4th
Xxx, Earlier in the thread you asked about LC Smith. I believe you are correct. He is the
policeman (deputy sheriff) puffing on a cigarette. He is later seen in the car lot (Hughes
and Murray) with the man in the black hat. This, I believe is McCurley. The man to
Smith's right in the sports coat should be Slack. Garland Slack was involved with the
Sports Drome shooting range. Xxx
(Note: If found this file as a word doc and felt it brings full circle the account of
September 28th)The photo is Altgens 5 looking down Houston....
Libeler: The Commission had information to the effect that sometime during November
1963, you saw a gentleman at the rifle range whom you subsequently came to believe
was LEE HARVEY OSWALD?
Price: That's right. The first time I saw this person was in September, the last week, the
last Saturday of September, and that was the afternoon they opened the rifle range.
Libeler: On the last Saturday of September? That would be Saturday, September 28,
1963?
Price: Yes.So between Odio and Price and Slack.... He was in Dallas.
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I knew I wrote about this.... https://books.google.com/books?id=j7iN57YRRBIC&pg=PA244&lpg=PA244&dq=2+different+201+files+cia+agee&source=bl&ots=sn726JZzN8&sig=dvs-VUXC7PyzxI7ms_PrdndKr2Q&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiYnfymt9LXAhWJilQKHbk8DSsQ6AEITzAK#v=onepage&q=2 different 201 files cia agee&f=false
Tommy Agee tells us that 201 files have 2 parts... The public and the secret... Angleton created false 201 files.... Egerter helped him...
FWIW
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On 11/18/2017 at 2:35 PM, David Butler said:
Betty Mora - Oswald's activities in New Orleans before he goes to Russia could "blow the lid and we could all get fried"
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32126915.pdf
This one is VERY interesting...
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Wonder why he says Oswald confessed to both killings... at 5:50pm when he had yet to be charged for JFK...
knowing there were no notes being taken?
Plus that’s a lot of detail for fri eve... no?
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Paul, within your theory... why does the mystery man phot need to be included in the WCR at all.
Just to counter ODUM and Mrs. Oswald?
Thet photo associated with Oswald seems almost like Goodpasture et al thumbing their nose at HQ...
Wring date, wrong man... and they knew it. My problem then is why let Alvarado come forward at all days afterward? He is most certainly a Phillips asset designed to support your idea... lay at Castro’s feet. Let Dallas speculate a bit then cut it off by envoking MX.
It would only concern FBI if Oswald was elsewhere doing their work... Odio and 2 cubans...
Hoover gets 10/10 and knows the CIA is “double dealing” but they can’t counter by saying where Oswald really was... so the 3 amigos are born.... but at the time, Hoover hesitantly plays along... he never actually corroborated the CIA. He just didn’t push too hard overtly.
As I see it that is...
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It's too bad someone didn't actually SEE Oswald at the Cuban Consulate taking money from a red-headed negro man....
or one of the multiple phone/internal taps as well as camera coverage would have caught him at one or the other location...
or someone who knew Oswald's voice had listened to the tape and found it to be Oswald...
or Azcue tells us it was Oswald...
or if anything he supposedly bought in Mexico ACTUAL came from Mexico...
or if they found where Duran tells him to go for the photos...
or who the man at the Consulate 1-2 days prior to the Oswald application dated the 27th...
or if anyone, anywhere had any information confirming his being there...
even in memos that never saw the light of day...
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6 minutes ago, W. Tracy Parnell said:
Michael,
Thanks for posting this and I completely agree with you. There are any number of innocent explanations for this and other H&L assertions, none of which are ever considered by the H&L gang.
Of course there are Tracy... innocence abounds....
The entire JFK case is just a series of unfortunate, innocent events.... misinterpreted by all;
'cept you
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On 11/7/2017 at 3:51 PM, Chris Davidson said:
David,
Printed in the Ft.Worth Press- June 8, 1962 ?
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rbqP3Q2VGZaVvx5rPmkIARWf5BNxsBaI/view?usp=sharing
June 8, 1962... via a rubber stamp
Chris... JUN 8
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Thanks for the interesting info on George Craig....
ya pull one thread... {pun intended}
THIS is one of the 2 reasons I spent time writing those papers: Lopez and the HSCA stayed away from the entire Journey despite it being a falsehood from the word go
(Marina - who left 2 days earlier - is the source for the WCR that Oswald took a bus... as if she would know)
The other thing that caught my eye was "Lee, Harvey Oswald" on the visa signed by Oswald, Lee Harvey - I can see a simple mistake happening...
but when the exact same mistake occurs on the Hotel Registry followed by writing that simply does not match the SOP of the manger rewriting all the names of guests who remained in the hotel... why is Lee Oswald the only one different?
So I thought... EVERYONE writes about what happened from 10:37am 9/27 thru Oct 1st... but no one has actually looked at the travel - which if the truth would line up easily... a ticket to travel on a bus or plane or train, immigration records, hotel records, etc....
When you then find out the man getting the very next VISA was CIA and lied about what happened that day... I continued to pull on the threads.
Paul posts about the CIA and the car... but he forgets about this CIA document: something heavily redacted for sources and means yet pretty interesting none-the-less.
The info on the car comes from a source outside the CIA...Between the first and last sentence of the Mexico article writing, my understanding changed and evolved based on data and evidence... not my opinions
What I first understood as an impostor started to fall away when i looked a bit deeper...There was no reason for Oswald's trip to be covert. He could travel freely at this point in time, had gotten a new passport in June (even though the girls testify to seeing only the 1959 passport) naming RUSSIA as a destination country... There was no need for him or his wife to travel thru Cuba to get to Russia, and according to virtually every document we know... Oswald did NOT want to stay in or return to Russia.
Yet this innocent man's travel is anything but innocent... or simple.
If a poster here wants to claim it was Oswald and he was driven or drove himself - ok... but the preponderance of evidence strongly indicates it was not him, that something specific to the intelligence community was going on, and the name LEE HENRY OSWALD was used. The FBI created a fictitious journey to account for his whereabouts.
If Oswald was actually in Mexico City... extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof....
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Yes Paul, that's what the records state...
so tell us why CASH lies about it to the Dept of Immigration on Nov 23rd?
How does the CIA - or anyone, say you for that matter - prove he took a car?
Other than the CIA claiming so as a result of... what Paul? Why does the CIA conclude he took a car?
Please provide sources...
I for one have had enough of your posts which start "IN MY OPINION" and then go on to talk of facts and conclusions as if they were support by something...
what is the basis for these opinions? Did you do some research... did you finally talk to Bill Simpich about how you consistently misrepresent what he wrote and what he meant ?
WHO provided these Mexican Immigration records? Do you have ANY idea?
Do you have ANY idea what was done to these records by this FBI asset prior to them going to Amer Consul CASH to FBI SA CHAPMAN via TIJERINA?
Do you even know who HERRERA is and why he is talking about the FM-11?
Ya see Paul, you come up with these OPINIONS yet they are only based on things that occur in your mind - not from any source of evidence or reasoning...
That you preface with MY OPINION changes very little about your approach and lack of corroboration...Fact is, most of what you OPINE is based upon provably incorrect assertions made years ago... like Walker and Oswald being somehow connected.
And what's that? Sept. 16th? a typo? and what was it that Alvarado said and continued to stick to his guns about?
the date of Sept 17th...
If you'd take a second just to acknowledge what you don't know and have yet to prove to anyone - maybe you'd find yourself posting ANALYSIS and RESEARCH instead of opinions.
Do a little research BEFORE you post and maybe you wont continue to look so - lost.
New document releases 2017 and beyond
in JFK Assassination Debate
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The "superiors" he is referring to.....
Part 5, page 3 The Trip Home
Seat #15 on the other hand was specifically mentioned by Mr. Ruiz Meza who we find later is a footnote source in the WCR for Oswald having taken the Laredo-Dallas bus. CE2121 p78 is more from ANASTASIO RUIZ MEZA who claimed to have seen Oswald on the bus. Mr. RUIZ it turns out is employed in the Auditor’s Office of the Customs section of the Mexican government (CE2121 p73) and just happens to be on the same bus as our traveler needs to be – even though like our traveler, his name is not listed on the passenger manifest but instead names the agency from which the ticket was purchased..
https://kennedysandking.com/content/mexico-city-part-5-leaving-mexico-part-2
Page 2 is the list.... Paula Rusioni, Van Dee Vorm. Interesting stories......
That little paper is the end of trip home Jim mentions... From the end of part 4:
As mentioned above, in late August 1964 Marina finds the corroborating evidence for Del Norte bus ticket #13688. WCD 1518 p34 (below) discusses the details of what would ultimately become FBI D-237.
... You can't make this stuff up.....