David Josephs

23 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:

DJ,

I don't see the window in the Forth Worth newspaper photo.  Do you?

No I don't Jim....

I was told this was bought from the Star Telegram...  Multi-generation copying?

On thing I find strange is that all the notes I've seen about Oswald after the left ear operation was he never had a problem with them again...

the notes on this guy state he had a left ear problem, operation and "ears have ached since childhood"

They note the left side surgery scar....  I wonder then why ROSE didn't... while noting other things down to 1/16th of an inch...

On page 411 of CE985 it says that Oswald wrote " I have no PASSPORT ... given to American Consul in Moscow"

He was given a National Passport and ID card...

That brings up thoughts related to Hoover's memo that someone else MAY be using Oswald's Passport other than Lee...

He was right.

Speaking of interesting tidbits from the Russians...

How tall was Marina?

And why does the WCR claim she was a dentist?

23 minutes ago, Michael Clark said:

Paul Says....

Say no more Michael.... 

I stopped bothering with his posts a while back other than to acknowledge when he quotes from my work without credit.  (as he seems to do to many of us).

CE985 reiterates that Oswald is a "person without citizenship"...  Kinda hard to be a citizen when it's been explained to you you're NOT a citizen.

 https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1135#relPageId=418&tab=page  

Did he leave his PASSPORT?  [blank]

ID card for: Person without Citizenship

Couple pages later shows MARINA with a passport... yet also as a person "without citizenship" on Jan 4, 1961 ???

8 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said:

Joe,

 

I wondered if Marina was shown a copy of this "diary" and asked if that's the way he usually talked.

 

Steve Thomas

'cause Marina is such a fountain of reliable testimony....

Hey there Steve.... 

Michael...  as much as it pains me to agree with PT... 

This diary claiming one thing or another is not PROOF...  it's just Oswald's word, or whoever wrote it.

His citizenship in the USA was never officially renounced;
He did give them a Passport
He may have requested Soviet citizenship, but he never got it...

& everyone who analyzed it came to the same conclusion as the HSCA...

(48) XI. A check was made of the historical diary (item 16) .
The 12 pages were written with the same type of writing instrument.
The paper used for 11 of the 12 pages is similar ; only the last page
differs-it is appreciably thinner. The writing has a continuity from
page to page and line to line that is indicative of being written about,
or at, the same time. It does not give the impression of being "random"
as would be expected of a diary extended over a period of time. It appears
that this diary has been written within a short period of time
and not over any extensive period .

(143) Opinion. While the diary was submitted for examination in
original form, it was almost completely unsuitable (with the exception
of p. 11) for document examination because of treatment with fingerprint
developer. Little patches of ink were unobscured, but these were
insufficient as a basis for a definite conclusion . From the patches of
ink that could be studied, there are indications that the same pen and,
ink could have been used to write the entire diary. However, this observation
is based solely on microscopic examination ; no chemical
tests were made or authorized . Use of the same pen and ink (particularly
when, as here, a fountain pen or a dip pen, rather than a ballpoint
pen, was used) is more consistent with the diary having been
prepared at one time, or over a few consecutive writing sessions, than
it is with execution from day to day over the extensive period covered.

On ‎11‎/‎7‎/‎2017 at 10:16 AM, George Sawtelle said:

David 

I forgot to add to my post above. By setting the record straight you blow up the lone nut theory. Maybe that leads to another investigation.

Thanks for the encouragement and kind words George...  I retire in 5-7 years and hopefully will be prolific...
Step 1 though is to edit the existing work on Mexico and wrap it up with a bow....

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Hoover blew that all by himself...  on the 9th of December WCD#1 the FBI report is completed.

11:35 a.m. December 12, 1963

MEMORANDUM FOR: MR. TOLSON

MR. BELMONT
MR. MOHR
MR. CONRAD
MR. DELOACH
MR. EVANS
MR. ROSEN
MR. SULLIVAN

I said I personally believe Oswald was the assassin; that the second aspect as to whether he was the only man gives me great concern; that we have several letters, not in the report because we were not able to prove it, written to him from Cuba referring to the job he was going to do, his good marksmanship, and stating when it was all over he would be brought back to Cuba and presented to the chief; but we do not know if the chief was Castro and cannot make an investigation because we have no intelligence operation in Cuba; that I did not put this into the report because we did not have proof of it and didn't want to put speculation in the report; that this was the reason I urged strongly that we not reach conclusion Oswald was the only man.

Thanks Doug...

I forgot to start off with :   The CIA lies.  The CIA is built on Lies and cover-up and conspiracy... they thrive in it.

Never believe anything until it has been officially denied... 
"CIA started to disavow knowledge of Lee Harvey Oswald within hours of killing"

"A March 9, 1964, memo to J. Lee Rankin, the chief counsel to the commission, noted problems with information the CIA gave the commission the previous month."If the file supplied by the CIA is the official dossier on Oswald, then it contains no reports received by headquarters from the Mexican station or any other foreign office and it supplies no information regarding the dissemination of material by CIA to other federal agencies," the memo said"

From Sept 25 until the FBI's 11/4 SAC from DALLAS (Hosty?) - there are no reports.  The last is the assumption that Oswald went to Dallas with Marina...Kaack report from Oct 31st describes the New Orleans arrest but still no whereabouts for Oswald..

A 10/25/63 FBI memo from SAC New Orleans tells us Oswald left the Paine address for forwarding mail.

The link offers:

"While CIA agents had picked up on Oswald while he was in Mexico City in September 1963 trying to return to the Soviet Union, where he had defected in 1959, they did not pay much attention to him, according to a Sept. 18, 1975, CIA report that attempted to explain what the agency knew about him."

Both the photo and voice are not his...  in essence there is simply no direct evidence that Oswald was the person Duran and Azcue describe.

The SOP for the FBI and everyone else was to keep referring to Oswald in MX... it stuck.  Kinda like Oswald in the window with the rifle... another myth that stuck as truth.

"Other documents released Friday showed that the CIA had monitored the Soviet Union and Cuba's embassies in Mexico City and spotted Oswald there in September 1963. Oswald was trying to get visas to travel to Cuba and the Soviet Union."

How do we go about untying this knot?  Guess I need to write a book...   lol

5 hours ago, Mathias Baumann said:

David,

the source for the quote appears to be page 356 ("and many others...") of "Oswald and the CIA" . In my copy of the book I find a table of the various phone calls that were intercepted between September 27 and October 1, including several made but an unidentified male Spanish-speaker on Friday September 27. But I think Waldron's source is an older edition of the book, so I can't really say for sure what he's refering to exactly.

Oswald and the CIA is Newman's book, Ultimate Sacrifice is Waldron's... right?

So Waldron is using Newman....?  

I have the book in PDF form and searched for it... couldn't find it....

This Ft Worth Star image does not have the window blocked out...

While the other is....

they are obviously the same photo....

Any explanations?

Many, many of these files are still completely redacted...

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10180-10010.pdf   is a link to REGGAB, MOHAMMED who claims to have had an affair with Marina and feel she may be a prostitute....

Except go to the link...  a couple of routing slips and completely redacted pages....  it's 73 pages long!

I thought these were supposed to be the un-redacted version  ??

On 11/6/2017 at 12:06 PM, Mathias Baumann said:

[...] when Oswald made his first attempt to get to Cuba by visiting the Cuban Embassy in Mexico City, CIA files show that two other young men [...] also linked to Artime and David Attlee Phillips visited the Embassy and tried the same thing.

On 11/6/2017 at 12:06 PM, Mathias Baumann said:

Hello David,

thank you for your post. I just stumbled upon something in Lamar Waldron's book "Ultimate Sacrifice", page 288:

Do you know more about these "two young men"?

My pleasure...

I have to assume one was Alvarado... I guess Waldron doesn't say...  he is a member here....
If you can give me a bit more context....  WHICH CIA files?

"Man sent to Consulate"  is not the Oswald impersonator Duran described as thin, a very thin face and small"  seems to me that would be the top image...

19 hours ago, Michael Walton said:

Have you even read Greg Parker's stuff?  He even discovered that Oswald had roundworm for crying out loud.

You may want to read a bit more about that MW....

Have you seen the source materials?

Wanted to also say WELCOME to John and thanks so much for your contributions...

Pretty amazing the connections this "LONE NUT" had with so many shady characters...

On ‎11‎/‎5‎/‎2017 at 6:16 AM, Mathias Baumann said:

David,

according to this recent newpaper article Albert Osborne may have been behind a phone call made to a British newspaper 25 minutes before the assassination:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5026495/Shocking-JFK-confession-Soviet-agent-Grimsby.html

So if Osborne did indeed possess advance knowledge of the assassination, he may have played a considerably more important role in the Mexico City story.

I get the impression that JFK's "hit" was rumbled about in the underworld and on the fringes of those involved on purpose...  of course we're not goping to hear about all the times these same people said it would happen and nothing did...

Kinda like the con man who goes to 10 different people at a horse race telling each one a different horse...  go back to the one you told the winner to and now you have a friend....  but the 9 people where you got it wrong are never talked of again....

The FBI did everything they could to place an Oswald on these buses...  and in the process provide evidence of their deception.   

Regarding Bowen/Osborne (btw Osborne is the name on the FPCC flyer order) he MAY be as significant as GAUDET who we also don't hold to the fire...  both of these men of dubious pasts are placed next to Oswald via 3rd party evidence...  Looking closer at what GAUDET and the others at the Visa office said, GAUDET is lying....  and very realistically helped create or receive this prop for the trip... a tourist Visa...    Since Osborne is Bowen... we can't take what he says at face value...  he's been doing shadow work for many years...  in total though - the evidence does not support the conclusion of Oswald's supposed travel and stay in MX.

Mr. LIEBELER. Would you give us the content of that conversation, as best you can recall
Mrs. ODIO. They told me they were coming because of the assassination of President Kennedy, that they had news that I knew or I had known Lee Harvey Oswald. And I told them that I had not known him as Lee Harvey Oswald, but that he was introduced to me as Leon Oswald. And they showed me a picture of Oswald and a picture of Ruby. I did not know Ruby, but I did recall Oswald. They asked me about my activities in JURE. That is the Junta Revolutionary, and it is led by Manolo Ray. I told him that I did belong to this organization because my father and mother had belonged in Cuba, and I had seen him (Ray) in Puerto recently, and that I knew him personally, and that I did belong to JURE. They asked me about the members here in Dallas, and I told him a few names of the Cubans here. They asked me to tell the story about what happened in my house.
Mr. LIEBELER. Who was it that you had seen in Puerto Rico?
Mrs. ODIO. Mr. Ray, I had seen. He was a very close friend of my father and mother. He hid in my house several times in Cuba.
So they asked me to tell him how I came to know Oswald, and I told them that it was something very brief and I could not recall the time, exact date. I still can't. We more or less have established that it was the end of September. And, of course, my sister had recognized him at the same time I did, but I did not say anything to her. She came very excited one day and said, "That is the man that was in my house." And I said, "Yes; I remember."

- Oswald could not have been at Odio's since he was not in Dallas and of Sept thru Oct 3... we proved he was in Mexico -

So Lopez and friends don't contest this conclusion....  Odio if finally called in July 1964...

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=946&relPageId=346&search=odio

On ‎11‎/‎3‎/‎2017 at 11:41 AM, Lawrence Schnapf said:

some former postal workers have suggested the franking mark does not represent where the envelope containing the PO was deposited but represents the machine in the GPO that marked the envelope. we are trying to get to the bottom of this for the mock trial...........

Then it's simply a coincidence that the GPO is zone 1 and the postmark includes one of the established zone numbers?

I've heard the arguments related to the different machines and what type of marks are placed on the envelopes...

The map below shows that zone 12 touches the corner of W. Commerce and N. Beckley...

The corner of N. Beckley and W. Commerce is where the Beckley bus turns south...  and continues right past the bus stop in front of Oswald's rooming house.

Most feel Oswald got on the Marsalis bus but McWatters and Roy Milton both negate the thought that Oswald was on THAT bus... yet his "interrogation" yielded notes that said he took a bus all the way either home or to the Texas Theater... 

That would have been the N. Beckley bus which followed behind McWatters' bus right away.  Nobody every checked any other buses.

This may come in handy: https://statick2k-5f2f.kxcdn.com/images/pdf/JosephsMOTimeline.pdf  which is a timeline I compiled from the research I did in this paper: https://statick2k-5f2f.kxcdn.com/images/pdf/JosephsRiflePart1.pdf  

At the very least you must have a problem contrasting what Harry Holmes told us to what happened with Harold Marks and the Secret Service in Virgina... not to mention their finding it in Kansas as well.   Holmes' account of the money order is a sham and a poor one at that.

They found a PMO book with the stub with the correct amount and traced it to Oswald....   Q1 Mr. Prosecutor

Where's the book of PMO's?  the original should have looked like this with the PO stub remaining.

I thought you said the FBI said $21.95?
Mr. HOLMES. He had, and that was the amount of money order I had been looking for. So I had my postal inspector in charge call our Chicago office and suggested that he get an inspector out to Klein's Sporting Goods and recheck it for accuracy, that if our looking at the right gun in the magazine, they were looking for the wrong money order.
Mr. BELIN. So what happened?
Mr. HOLMES. So in about an hour Postal Inspector McGee of Chicago called back then and said that the correct amount was $21.95---$21.45 excuse me, and that the shipping---they had received this money order on March the 13th, whereas I had been looking for March 20.
So then I passed the information to the men who were looking for this money order stub to show which would designate, which would show the number of the money order, and that is the only way you could find one.
I relayed this information to them and told them to start on the 13th because he could have bought it that morning and that he could have gotten it by airmail that afternoon, so they began to search and within 10 minutes they called back and said they had a money order in that amount issued on, I don't know that I show, but it was that money order in an amount issued at the main post office, which is the same place as this post office box was at that time, box 2915 and the money order had been issued early on the morning of March the 12th, 1963.

7 minutes ago, David Josephs said:

I do believe I've found something a bit more compelling related to these teeth..

The Marines did a dental exam when Oswald entered service.  They noted in the Donabedian report, that Oswald was missing all 4 wisdom teeth and tooth #30 on the lower right near the back.

The Norton report also did a dental exam.  Except their exam shows all 4 wisdom teeth intact as well as the return of the missing tooth.

Lee Oswald, the person from whom this examination applies,  instead of the normal 32 teeth, only had 27...  4 wisdom teeth removed and a molar on the lower right.

Yet the man in the grave has 31 with no space for where the lower right tooth was extracted....

Why don't the number of teeth match?

you see, according to his induction exam:  he is missing 4 teeth... they are X'd out at the lower half of the report...

Teeth # 1, 17, 18, & 30 are "MISSING"   yet they're not missing in 1981....

The man in the grave with a full compliment of teeth is not LEE Oswald...
The man in the grave did not have a LEFT mastoid scar when ROSE performed his autopsy...  In fact the only mention of "MASTOID" (btw - since Rose does mention this tiny scratch behind Oswald's right ear... you really think he just skipped the left or is it more likely the man on his table and in that grave was not born Lee Oswald...

 

How do we know Lee had a mastoid scar?  He told the Marines about his 1946 operation and they noted it down.

Lee also had a 3" Mastoid scar according to the Marine records of his enlistment.  (Donabedian Ex #1 p590)  

So not only does the original LEE OSWALD not have wisdom teeth or one of his molars.... his right front tooth was knocked out...

There's no tooth there...  

 

You will also notice that any images of LEE you can find - with the last image of LEE being his Sept 4 1959 passport photo - you can't see his teeth.

 

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On the right we learn that he entered without 5 teeth and did not have extractions while in the Marines....

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Then we'll have to agree to disagree...

Not knowing the exact reason for finally using the name LEE OSWALD on the Oct 1 call beyond my speculating that it served to silence the FBI as Oswald was doing their work at the time...  HQ still responded with the HENRY 201 file and the accepted wrong description...

Simpich writes that the CIA effectively created 2 files on Oswald - the real one and the one making him look like Webster....
It is this Webster description that goes to Mexico City... with some truths about the real Oswald.

I realize your conclusion carries with it the assumption that Phillips ran Oswald...  yet if I'm right, the FBI ran Oswald into cross paths with Phillips' Cuban counterintelligence activities - purposefully? I'm not sure.

The evidence getting him there and back is so incredibly poor and revealing you can almost see the FBI's CYA inaction...

I'd go as far as to say we're probably better off assuming everything the CIA offered us regarding Mexico City is a scam
What Angelton and Egerter; Phillips and Goodpasture; and Bill Harvey's group was doing in and around the Cuban Consulate at the time was monumental...

Duran was in play, Azcue as well...  the reading of STATE SECRET is very important simply from a context POV...  again, the theories and conclusions are very interesting and I'd leave it up to you to decide...

we forget sometimes that these other little countries are watching us like hawks and are just as willing to reduce our influence to gain theirs...

Just how I see it...  cheers

DJ

15 hours ago, George Sawtelle said:

David

If the CIA did with Oswald in MC what the WC said Oswald did in MC and wanted to do, i.e., go to Cuba then onto Russia, and Oswald's MC escapade was part of a CIA plan to link him to the Russian assassin, then they do a better job than what was done. This is the basis for my post above.

If the MC incident is truly a CIA project to link the Russian assassin to Oswald and the assassination of Kennedy and thus put Russia in the crosshairs of nuclear button pushers, then the impersonation of Oswald was a failure.

The CIA did not need to have anyone impersonate Oswald. He was under the control of Phillips who was in MC and who could have easily ordered Oswald to MC to do what was necessary to link Russia to the assassination. Phillips had done his homework. According to Antonio Veciana, Phillips had asked him (Veciana) if a visa could be obtained fairly quickly in MC for a trip to Cuba. Veciana told Phillips it would take some time. Maybe this is why Oswald's trip to MC was called off.

And that is the main reason I say the MC caper was not a CIA project.

 

this look eerily familiar...  lol

"If the CIA did with Oswald in MC what the WC said Oswald did in MC and wanted to do"

What the Warren Commission Report said about ANYTHING cannot be accepted on its face.  

If innocent little Oswald did not go to Mexico related to the assassination - but just went for travel arrangements, why is it so hard to find evidence of the trip and what he did while there...?

The CIA did not need to have anyone impersonate Oswald. He was under the control of Phillips who was in MC and who could have easily ordered Oswald to MC to do what was necessary to link Russia to the assassination. Phillips had done his homework. According to Antonio Veciana, Phillips had asked him (Veciana) if a visa could be obtained fairly quickly in MC for a trip to Cuba. Veciana told Phillips it would take some time. Maybe this is why Oswald's trip to MC was called off.

I'm not sure we're connecting on this George...   the CIA did not order and would not order Oswald to go anywhere... beyond the information he could provide about the inside of Russia, the CIA would have little interest in him other than what he seemed to be doing for the FBI.  

Do we agree that our Oswald traveled to Dallas, met with Odio and her sister with 2 Hispanic men and winds up at the YMCA in Dallas on the night of the 3rd.  The evidence related to the last two legs of the trip are even worse than the beginning of the trip...

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On to Mexico City....

The Cuban Consulate in Mexico City was staffed by Cuban, Mexican and CIA intelligence assets... all with different agendas and capabilities.
The CIA used the Mexican DFS to run these tap locations...  The DFS had their own reasons for intel on Cuba and the US as well as the Russians.

ALL, and I do mean ALL the evidence/info prior to 11/22 related to his being down there comes from the CIA. 

Yet as we know, the CIA played some games with what was told to who, when.  The association and reinforcement of "KOSTIKOV" comes first from the man in the Soviet Consulate and is reinforced by Win Scott and then Ambassador Mann...  it is then DROPPED from the cables to STATE, FBI & NAVY...

The 10/10 reply from HQ to MX begins with HENRY's 201 file and all the data related to Oswald...  Question becomes was this the information available for Oswald or was this a 2nd version of Oswald matching the description of another deserter... Webster.  5'10" 165lbs, Blue eyes

Even in Win Scott's letter to Mann the CIA does not overtly equate KOSTIKOV with Dept 13.  I suggest reading STATE SECRET.  Despite the theory and conclusions which may or may not agree with you, the information Bill provides on the SPY-CRAFT going on at this time is amazing.  At the heart of it, we truly do not know who was behind the impersonated voices and of Oswald the person.   

Also from Bill's work the thought that CASTRO used his Mexico City assets to spy on both the Mexicans and Americans...  no one trusted anyone.

Read again about Alvarado....  his story exemplifies what the CIA does to those they control...  Oswald may have been maneuvered, but imo was an FBI asset first and foremost 

On ‎11‎/‎3‎/‎2017 at 8:39 AM, Glenn Nall said:

I read an account of how O was supposedly able to walk several miles to purchase that money order or the PO box during his lunch break on the day it/they were purchased, or something to that effect. Don't remember where I read that, but I want to refer to it on something. Do you recognize this narrative and remember where it's printed?

lol... of course, I wrote/illustrated it with some source help from Armstrong.

The entire article is linked to in a previous post of mine...

He bought the money order AT THE MAIN DALLAS POST OFFICE...

why would he need to place it in a mailbox in a different section

Here is the G-eneral P-ost O-ffice stamp on the Money Order next to the zone 12 stamp

https://statick2k-5f2f.kxcdn.com/images/pdf/JosephsRifle.pdf

https://statick2k-5f2f.kxcdn.com/images/pdf/JosephsRiflePart1.pdf

https://statick2k-5f2f.kxcdn.com/images/pdf/JosephsPistol.pdf

The articles behind the posts....  According to the evidence, the Money Order was found 4 separate times on Saturday.... in 4 different places.

and the pistol wasn't the one they took from Oswald either....  Westbrook helped with that...

Hope you enjoy them..

DJ