David Josephs

Wade... ex FBI.   Wonder if he got it from Hosty who got it 10/18 from Woosley ...

who got it from Win Scott...  

should an I&NS agent be relaying CIA memo to FBI?    Marked card gives that away....

On ‎11‎/‎30‎/‎2017 at 9:56 AM, Michael Walton said:

DJ

Watch 4 Days in Nov CBS on YTV. DVP confirmed Henry was used by the talking head. You're  wrong about it being some top secret code name or whatever  you  think it was. It was just a mistake and yes secret agents DO make  mistakes.

Then explain this....  if the name HENRY gets to CBS, the source had to have known something about this file...  not a mistake... just the trail of who got what info from where....

 

Wow... wouldn't it be something if I was actually correct about this...

3 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

David,

Look at Richard's drawing below. This man is standing against the wall. And yet the height chart shows that his head is 13" in height, instead of the real 10" height.

The reason the measurement is way off is because 1) the man's face is several inches in front of the wall, and 2) the camera is very close to the wall. The further back the camera is moved, the shorter the head would measure. (If the camera were an infinite distance away, the 10" head height would be correctly conveyed on the height chart.)

You already agree that the 13" head height will occur if the man moves away from the wall. The drawing below merely shows that being away from the wall just a few inches (the depth of the head) will also result in the same 13" head if the camera is pretty close to the wall. Like about 3 ft in this case.

 

 

 

So Sandy,

Why does the camera only take an image from horizontal DOWNWARD but not upward?

If I place a camera where he's placed it (blue lens far left) the field of view would include the area above his head as much as below unless you were right up against the man's nose...

The Red line at the top represents the entire field of view... you'd have to raise the camera up higher than it is for these photos and then point it downward which would result in a different final image than those military photos...

The blue lens to the right, turned downward still has a full field of view yet it captures what you claim the other diagram shows...  without that tilt the man's forehead would be in the middle of the image, not his nose.

The field of view that Richard offers is not physically possible using the physics of light...  to put the man's head at the top of the frame the lens would need to move DOWN not up

We get this right?  Field of view from the lens works in both directions, not just down... the green lines and the lowered lens position would push his head to the top of the frame but the man's chin would be in the center of the image UNLESS YOU TURN THE LENS... which changes the perspective of the photo.

yes?

 

 

 

 

29 minutes ago, John Kowalski said:

that he was there to monitor the activities of the Oswald impersonator.

He was WHERE? John....  

I don't recall ever seeing a reference to BOWEN/OSBORNE other than on that one bus...  to "oversee the impersonator" (who I understand NOT to be related at all to any bus ride or car ride for that matter.... who the voice is on the phone remains a mystery - we know it was not Oswald's...

Something to be aware of....   every single interpretation of the info below states that the line after BOWEN's name relates to the same thing that the McFarland line does and the VASQUEZ line, and the MORALES line and the MITCHELL line..... 

Looking thru the rest of WCD 676’s listings we come to find that not a single name other than BOWEN, McFARLAND and OSWALD are both on the FM-11 and the Flecha Rojas baggage manifest.  CE2463 is the re-typed Flecha Rojas manifest which states that 18 passengers boarded bus #516 in Nuevo Laredo.  We must then assume from this information that the other 14 passengers did not come thru Mexican Immigration that morning or did not travel with a bag to check.  That all 14 of these passengers were already on the Mexican side and boarded bus #516 going thru Monterrey to Mexico City while traveling with only a carry-on.

 

 

BOWEN traveled with a companion ... referred to here as "fellow passenger"... 

The Australian girls and McFarland were on DEL NORTE buses... not Flecha Rojas...  That BOWEN offers up tickets on Flecha Rojas on adds to the proof that he not only did not travel with Oswald... but he also did not travel with the McFarlands and the 2 Aussie girls...

So how is it that they refer to this man repeatedly?

Furthermore, this report also removes these 4 English speaking people from the Flecha Rojas bus....  which again makes sense with then having taken del Norte...

Also, the fact he brought this one zippered bag onto the bus and placed it above him means there was never a VELIZ to check in order to get claim # 320435

The CIA chrono states the FBI tells them that Oswald takes ANAHUAC from Monterrey to Mexico City and that the Hotel he supposedly stayed in is but a short walk from ANAHUAC terminal...  again we have a conflict with his departure in that one of the witnesses describes calling him a cab to take him to the bus terminal...  this hotel employee does not know which driver it was and he remembers not telling the driver anything about a destination....  This despite the story being Oswald asks for help since his Spanish is so poor.

Another thing to be raise if OSBORNE was to watch over the imposter...  WHERE DID THE CALL to Sov Mil Attache originate and where does the caller get THAT number as opposed to the Consulate #?   Again... Osweald checks into the hotel FIRST.... after a 10am arrival and then calls from.... ????

This also keeps BOWEN traveling on the same line - Flecha Rojas - which makes sense as passengers don't usually bounce back and forth between bus lines...

In one breath the FBI has him on 1 of 3 different bus lines... in another we have confirmation he was NOT on any of these buses....  but since he HAD to be there.... it must have been by car... the CIA Phase 1 cover story to incite an attack on Cuba or Russia....  Oswald conspiracy...  pick a time when he is known to be traveling with Cubans for the FBI and use his name to curtail all inquiries into what really happened that weekend in Dallas and Mexico.

Thank you all for such great work on BOWEN/OSBORNE....   So a question...

Does anyone think this OSBORNE is THAT Osborne?

 

 

 

13 hours ago, Michael Walton said:

David Josephs,

OMFG. See this is where every time I read your stuff on MC and the gun and so forth I say, "Good job..." and then I also read this. Here we have a photo showing him with a white (light) tie on a light (white) shirt. It's LHO.  Nobody else but him. And now the story is being twisted and you're also saying the clothes were not listed in his possessions and his land lady is some sinister plotter rubbing her hands together greedily to be part of the master plan. LOL!

So I now say - shame on you too David.  I mean Jesus Christ EVERYTHING you see and read is some kind of warped conspiracy.  You simply do NOT know when to leave something alone.

Well this is a twofer....   Thanks for reading my work and enjoying it and/or get something out of it...

With regards to my last post here....   WTF are you talking about Michael? 
Maybe you could - like with Mexico - go READ THE EVIDENCE before you insert foot in mouth... k?  I didn't say it wasn't him, ever.

Steve offered an explanation of his attire in the evidence...   I remembered a photo of Oswald in white on white...  and given the man saved EVERYTHING or was made to look that way we should find these clothes in the inventory... we don't. 

If you haven't been paying attention, there is a mountain of corroborated evidence suggesting the existence of another OSWALD...  a larger Oswald with different clothing and experiences... I don't really care anymore what you do or do not accept in that presentation...  the evidence is there... accept it or not...  moving on.

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I also have been thru the DPD FBI inventory a number of times and also remember that the same thing happened when he was described in Houston...  the beige canvas shoes remembered were not anything found in his possession only weeks later...

If you're not referring to the BLEDSOE shirt comment... then what?

If you refer to BLEDSOE ...   there is nothing to indicate he comes to work in a shirt torn at the elbow and missing three buttons....

Mr. BALL - Now, what color shirt did he have on?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - He had a brown shirt.
Mr. BALL - And unraveled?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Hole in his sleeve right here [indicating].
Mr. BALL - Which is the elbow of the sleeve? That is, you pointed to the elbow?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Well, it is.
Mr. BALL - And that would be which elbow, right or left elbow?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Right.

Fritz, Bookout, Kelley, Hosty all state he changed his shirt and pants leaving them in his bureau - where they were found and inventoried...

BLEDSOE could not have seen this shirt with those rips - and as Milton and McWatters both reiterate - it was NOT Oswald on his bus....

WHALEY also supposedly sees Oswald and actually takes him to Beckley...  maybe.  He too describes the ARREST shirt...

Mr. BALL. Did you notice how he was dressed?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir. I didn't pay much attention to it right then. But it all came back when I really found out who I had. He was dressed in just ordinary work clothes. It wasn't khaki pants but they were khaki material, blue faded blue color, like a blue uniform made in khaki. Then he had on a brown shirt with a little silverlike stripe on it and he had on some kind of jacket, I didn't notice very close but I think it was a work jacket that almost matched the pants. He, his shirt was open three buttons down here. He had on a T-shirt. You know, the shirt was open three buttons down there. 

 

So from the above Mike...  "blue faded blue color, like a blue uniform made in khaki"  that describes Oswald's clothes?
Do you find anything in inventory that resembles the clothing described?

Mr. BALL. Here is Commission No. 162 which is a gray jacket with zipper.

Mr. WHALEY. I thank that is the jacket he had on when he rode with me in the cab.
Mr. BALL. Look something like it?
And here is Commission Exhibit No. 163, does this look like anything he had on?

Mr. WHALEY. He had this one on or the other one.
Mr. BALL. That is right.
Mr. WHALEY. That is what I told you I noticed. I told you about the shirt being open, he had on the two jackets with the open shirt.
Mr. BALL. Wait a minute, we have got the shirt which you have identified as the rust brown shirt with the gold stripe in it.
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. You said that a jacket--
Mr. WHALEY. That jacket now it might have been clean, but the jacket he had on looked more the color, you know like a uniform set, but he had this coat here on over that other jacket, I am sure, sir.
Mr. BALL. This is the blue-gray jacket, heavy blue-gray jacket.
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Later that day did you--were you called down to the police department?
Mr. WHALEY. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. Were you the next day?
Mr. WHALEY. No, sir; they came and got me, sir, the next day after I told my superior when I saw in the paper his picture, I told my superiors that that had been my passenger that day at noon. They called up the police and they came up and got me. 

 

CIA dated 1/1/63 in the index - so basically the date is unknown...  

Win Scott's mentioning of ODESSA and the spelling of the name, etc was dropped since it was quite obvious it was not Oswald... these calls are made from the Cuban Embassy - supposedly.

If the calls on the 27th were not Oswald... and Duran/Azcue say it was not Oswald, and the FBI cannot any trace of Oswald, and the travel evidence is complete junk...

Fluent Spanish?  Broken Russian?

BTW - the bus to Mexico did not arrive there until 10:30am...  and by 10:37 this man has already made it from the terminal to the Hotel, checked in and then to the Cuban Consulate...

Pretty slick

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10414-10413.pdf

19 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

 

 

Below is another one... a young Paul Newman. Notice that all three of these show a height of 5' 9" and a head height of 13". It seems there must have been a standard or popular mug shot system that made all three. I found this one by googling "13 inch head height mug shot."

Mystery solved. Good job Richard and Tom.

 

 

Yet if this person stepped back to the wall... his real height is shorter that the 5'10" the photo suggests...

As stated, the camera would have to be level with the top of his head to get a true height...  this lens is most certainly lower than the top of this person's head.

He could be as much as 3 inches shorter once he steps back....

 

With regards to the crushed out colors suggesting another person...  uh.. I don't see it that way.

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10068-10061.pdf

is another report explaining how Mexican assets lied about what Oswald supposedly did....  in connection with a link earlier to a doc stating that the FBI must keep secret that they are down there "assisting" with gathering the evidence...

Over and over the stories which put Oswald in Mexico are shown to be false... created by the CIA.

Also,  https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10068-10070.pdf

many of the routing slips have a single name whited out up near Phillips...  do we think this was HUNT trying to cover for even being in Mexico?

 

She also placed the ripped post-clothing change shirt on Oswald before he had gone home and changed...

The changing of his clothes is IMO the thing that mucks up some of the plans... witnesses were led to the "right" testimony using the arrest clothing.   Whaley is a good example of a witness screwing up their lines with respect to his clothing....

 

30 minutes ago, Jeffrey Reilley said:

 Mr Josephs,      

If I remember correctly from another thread, you had pointed out that designated patsies from alternate assassination sights(Chicago and Tampa I believe) had also made trips to Mexico City apparently. Do you think there may be a trail to those trips, or was it a plug and play once the assassination was finally carried out in Dallas, with the trip being made by Oswald?  

Almost two months before the assassination, Oswald gets impersonated on the phone. If the assassination had happened in Tampa, would there be a different instance involving said Tampa patsy, and the Oswald impersonation would go undiscovered? This may make no sense at all, but I was just curious?

Your work is as impressive as it is thorough, and I thank you for the informative and entertaining reading you provide here.

Hey there Jeff...  thanks so much for the kind words... comments like yours are my greatest reward...

I honestly do not remember making that reference...  I may have said we'd find out they were in Mexico if the assassination occurred in either Tampa or Chicago...

The information contained in the 10/10 cables to MX, ONI, STATE and FBI would never have seen the light of day had the assassination taken place earlier....  Why would they be?

I truly do not accept that the Mexico charade was part of the assassination planning until it became necessary to be...  While Bill Simpich's conclusions can be questioned... the use of the marked HENRY card and the State department claiming the evidence states that LEE HENRY OSWALD did all these things when they all say HARVEY... leads me to agree with the reasoning behind it coming to the surface....  Again, if 11/22 doesn't happen, none of this info would have been public. 

Furthermore, I am not convinced that Tampa and Chicago were "created"...  I believe they were very real... and the reason the SS logs and notebooks are gone for that time period.

Why put Oswald, Kleins and Vallee all in the same FBI report if they were not trying to tie them together...  why bring Vallee up at all?

From what I can tell... there are no white pants, no white tie or white shoes

There are 3 pairs of shoes: brown, black and thongs...

 

There are 2 pairs of slacks: The faded grey torn ones and a traditional gray pair

    

 

20 minutes ago, John Kowalski said:

Paul:

Thank you for your comments.

I now understand what you mean by Osborne being socially undesirable. You make an interesting point abut the radical right, the ACCC and sexual abuse.  In this milieu Osborne may have been able to find a place to play the role of fake missionary. Yes, more research needs to be done about Osborne and his connections to these groups. 

Have continued my research into Osborne's life but have not been able to determine why the Mexicans wanted to deport in 1964.  Have also reviewed all Bloomfield papers that have been released by Library and Archives Canada and have not seen any any connection between Bloomfield and Osborne either. Did find a possible connection between arms dealing and Bloomfield.

If you ever find that source about the KKK, I would be interested in knowing what it is.

 

Have you considered that OSBORNE/BOWEN was inserted into the story to create another closed off lead?

He denies the person next to him was Oswald....
Only McFarland and the Aussies discuss this old man on the bus...  the same two who SWEAR Oswald was on the same del Norte bus I've shown he wasn't on....

As the thread of BOWEN is pulled it exposes so many other pet projects of the CIA/FBI/etc....  so the road blocks pop up...
and the investigation is led elsewhere.

I think a large portion of the Mexico situation was simply to create a roadblock to the truth of epic proportion...

Oswald in Mexico and the related evidence insures the investigation stops short of the truth or even scratching at the truth.

Sprague was removed because of Mexico
Blakey helped hide Mexico

With Oswald at Odio and in Dallas... the car to MX evidence is as false as the bus journey.

Our Oswald was not there... and nothing beyond the CIA's transcript of an impersonated call puts him there.

4 hours ago, Michael Walton said:

At least we now know John is not scamming anyone any more with this bloated work of high fiction.

Maybe the excellent rebuttals to his fairy tale on this forum finally made him realize that enough was enough.

Michael...

Shame on you.   "excellent rebuttals"? 

Amazing how much you exercise your G~d given right to be wrong on so many things...

   ROKC is recruiting I hear... all you need is to insult John and know how to curse and they give you the keys to the kingdom...

Your kind of crowd Mike...  your chariot awaits...  

 

4 hours ago, Michael Walton said:

I  recall seeing on the live  CBS broadcast Harry Reasoner saying  something  like  "The suspect is Lee Henry Oswald..."

Does this throw anything above out of whack?

Guess that depends on whether you're remembering correctly or not...

I doubt very highly anyone outside of Mexico used the name HENRY

White on white?   

Looking thru the property inventories for white pants, white shoes, etc....

Like the description of him in Houston buying the bus ticket... the clothing described were not among his possessions.

You can ask.....

NIce....

Success for Clark Anderson as well?

One of the most important memos rarely see is this memo Redlich writes to Rankin...

He basically lays out how the WCR will be a scam and that the FBI and SS "facts" are TOTALLY INCORRECT...
As of April 27th... 3 shot = 3 hits with one of the shots 40 feet further down ELM than is shown at Z313...

I should add that the facts which we now have in our possession, submitted to us in separate reports from the FBI and Secret Service, are totally incorrect and, if left uncorrected, will present a completely misleading picture.

Another amazing sentence:

Our intention is not to establish the point with complete accuracy, but merely to substantiate the hypothesis which underlies the conclusions that Oswald was the sole assassin

The entire memo:

April 27, 1964

 

MEMORANDUM

 

TO:     J. Lee Rankin

 

FROM:   Norman Redlich

 

 

        The purpose of this memorandum is to explain the reasons why

certain members of the staff feel that it is important to take certain

on-site photographs in connection with the location of the approximate

points at which the three bullets struck the occupants of the

Presidential limousine.

 

        Our report presumably will state that the President was hit by

the first bullet, Governor Connally by the second, and the President

by the third and fatal bullet.  The report will also conclude that the

bullets were fired by one person located in the sixth floor southeast

corner window of the TSBD building.

 

        As our investigation now stands, however, we have not shown

that these events could possibly have occurred in the manner suggested

above.  All we have is a reasonable hypothesis which appears to be

supported by the medical testimony but which has not been checked out

against the physical facts at the scene of the assassination.

 

        Our examination of the Zapruder films shows that the fatal

third shot struck the President at a point which we can locate with

reasonable accuracy on the ground.  We can do this because we know the

exact frame (no. 313) in the film at which the third shot hit the

President and we know the location of the photographer.  By lining up

fixed objects in the movie frame where this shot occurs we feel that

we have determined the approximate location of this shot.  This can be

verified by a photo of the same spot from the point where Zapruder was

standing.

 

        We have the testimony of Governor and Mrs. Connally that the

Governor was hit with the second bullet at a point which we probably

cannot fix with precision.  We feel we have established, however, with

the help of medical testimony, that the shot which hit the Governor

did not come after frame 240 on the Zapruder film.  The governor feels

that it came around 230, which is certainly consistent with our

observations of the film and with the doctor's testimony.  Since the

President was shot at frame 313, this would leave a time of at least 4

seconds between the two shots, certainly ample for even an

inexperienced marksman.

 

        Prior to our last viewing of the films with Governor Connally

we had assumed that the President was hit while he was concealed

behind the sign which occurs between frames 215-225.  We have expert

testimony to the effect that a skilled marksman would require a

minimum 2 seconds between shots with this rifle.  Since the camera

operates at 18 1/3 frames per second, there would have to be a minimum

of 40 frames between shots.  It is apparent, therefore, that if

Governor Connally was even as late as frame 240, the President would

have to have been hit no later than frame 190 and probably even

earlier.

 

        We have not yet examined the assassination scene to determine

whether the assassin in fact could have shot the President prior to

frame 190.  We could locate the position on the ground which

corresponds to this frame and it would then be our intent to establish

by photography that the assassin would have fired the first shot at the

President prior to this point.  Our intention is not to establish the point
with complete accuracy, but merely to substantiate the hypothesis which underlies
the conclusions that Oswald was the sole assassin.

 

        I had always assumed that our final report would be

accompanied by a surveyor's diagram which would indicate the

approximate location of the three shots.  We certainly cannot prepare

such a diagram without establishing that we are describing an

occurrence which is physically possible.  Our failure to do this will,

in my opinion, place this Report in jeopardy since it is a certainty

that others will examine the Zapruder films and raise the same

questions which have been raised by our examination of the films.  If

we do not attempt to answer these observable facts, others may answer

them with facts which challenge our most basic assumptions, or with

fanciful theories based on our unwillingness to test our assumptions

by the investigatory methods available to us.

 

        I should add that the facts which we now have in our possession,
submitted to us in separate reports from the FBI and Secret Service,
are totally incorrect and, if left uncorrected, will present
a completely misleading picture.

 

        It may well be that this project should be undertaken by the

FBI and Secret Service with our assistance instead of being done as a

staff project.  The important thing is that the project be undertaken

expeditiously.

 

The FACTS in their possession:
The 3 surveys to this point (Time/Life, SS and FBI) all state Z313 is shot #2 with #3 at elevation 416.83 down by the beginning of the Knoll stairs.

With the help of Melvin Eisenberg in the month of May 1964... CE884 is changed and the 3rd shot on these surveys is made to disappear in the final presentation.

Redlich was either trying to save the conspiracy, or trying to expose it...  There is literally nothing I could find to follow up this memo other than the wholesale changing of the FACTS in their possession.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Since I am of the conclusion Oswald did not go to MX at all in Sept/Oct 1963... any and all evidence of said travel must be fabricated for OSWALD from either real evidence for someone else or from thin air.

This means the "car" story is also part of the plan for Phase 1: Oswald the conspirator... and never happened.

So let's look at some of the evidence suggesting he took a car.... and/or was driven. 

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When we understand he was in Dallas at Odio and then at the shooting range that weekend, you can begin to see what the FBI did.  Yet initially they were given info via the I&NS thru Hosty to Hoover on Oct 18th....   Lee HARVEY again...   We will see down below how different info goes to different people at diff times...

"At 2:05 pm, 11/27/63, while talking to Inspector Don Moore of Division 5 .... . I read to him an article from The Houston Press, dated 11/27/63, which was telephonically furnished to this office ..... in which article stated Oswald left the US by private car, ownership unknown, and returned on 10/3/63, through Laredo, Texas. He advised that Oswald did travel by car and did return to the US through Laredo, Texas on 10/3/63." (FBI memorandum from ASAS J.T. Sylvester, Jr., to SAC New Orleans, 11/27/63.)

The FBI finds the initial evidence points to Oswald having traveled by car.  Yet then proceeds to take the next 8 months proving he took a bus.
The story of the BRILL's results... and again the "car" theory is not corroborated.....  

So is the car story simply that?  The CIA - D A Phillips - creating a circumstance where conspiracy MUST be considered seriously... now we can see how ALVARADO and his $6500 red-headed negro fits.... 

He is driven down to MX to get paid to kill JFK to then escape thru Cuba to Russia - pure PHASE 1
He cannot be driven down since he was a Lone Nut unconnected to anyone - conspiracy car becomes Lone bus - pure Phase 2.

The evidence of Oswald taking a car into and out of Mexico is just as poor as the subsequently invented evidence of the FBI and their Gobernacion asset(s).  It is impossible to proceed unless there is awareness of both the CIA and FBI assets entrenched within the Mexican Government from which the desired "scenario" could be developed....

We start with the manner in which the State Dept gets their info for the following telegram....  

In Warren Commission Document 442 we find a telegram from Mexico City to Sec of State Rusk stating the records show on October 3, 1963 a Lee HENRY Oswald left Mexico by Automobile.  https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10876&relPageId=9

 

 

NONE, I repeat none of the evidence has the name HENRY...  (see bottom image) so why would MANN use it?

One last bit of intrigue is the statement that “the IMMIGRATION RECORDS show entry into Mexico of one Lee HENRY Oswald” when there is not a single piece of I&NS evidence that substitutes HENRY for HARVEY as either his middle or in the case of Mr. H.O. LEE, his first name.  In fact the 3x5 cards from which this information originates, which in turn came from the FM-11 coming from the FM-8 visa all says HARVEY (images and links earlier in this document) while the exit information refers to Harvey Oswald LEE.

The FM11 is the source for the information given to Tijerina to type up for Harvey CASH of the US consulate at Nuevo Laredo.
It is also proven that the FBI asset who provided this document "added notes and details to aid clarity"

#99 is Harvey Oswald Lee... who will be listed and alphabetized under "O" as opposed to "L" - his traveling last name...

On page 23 of CE2121, after the name Buell Moore and before Maurice Ouellet we have “HARVEY OSWALD LEE,  FM-8 #24085”.  Except according to the Mexican officials, they believed the passenger’s name from the visa was Lee, Harvey Oswald which becomes “H.O. Lee” on his departing documents.  LEE comes well before MOORE.  In fact, Mr. LEE should have been #800 before Mr. Mason.  One has to wonder who in Mexico would have known this passenger to be Mr. OSWALD when preparing this list as opposed to Mr. LEE as stated by his travel documents.

The CIA, by 7pm on 11/23 had received info from US Consulate at NUEVO LAREDO (Harvey CASH)...  yet what CASH tells the CIA is not the same as what he tells I&NS...  I&NS in turn relays info to FBI SA Hosty....

CIA and the STATE dept are initially pushing the Oswald-Castro conspiracy while FBI and I&NS are being misled by these two...

The CIA's Nov 23rd note about the car travel COMES from CASH yet stays within the CIA/STATE partnership.

Despite all the evidence showing HARVEY...  Amb MANN still sends that note I posted above (NOT using STATE Dept Channels??)  as I felt, the STATE dept would help the CIA with the CASTRO PLANNED IT charade...  and then enter Alvarado on the 26th to tell his "Oswald gets money" story.

The theory I am putting forth is that all records related to Oswald going to and coming from Mexico City are part of a 2-phase (PD Scott) plan to first "suggest" a Cuban conspiracy thru the evidence, remind people of Oswald in Mexico talking to KOSTIKOV (which of course he never did) and begin letting out created evidence which backs the story...  when that effectively stops inquiry and the idea of a conspiracy is simply too much for LBJ to shoulder...  the LNers come out of the woodwork...

In the afternoon of the 22nd, within hours of the assassination, "Presidential staff" arrived at all 4 bus lines in MX and took the pertinent records for the 26th/27th and the 2nd/3rd ONLY.  They even went as far as to get the copies of these records from the different border towns as well... Arturo BOSCH's changes to the Frontera manifest to get Oswald onto an Oct 2nd 2pm bus is a great example...   when the travel could not get him to agree with the established FACTS, they changed it so it would.

Problem being that the "car to MX" story has just as many problems as the "bus to MX".   Unless the idea was to covertly get Oswald into Mexico to stage the Sept 27th events...  That STILL does not account for the calls/transcripts from the 28th, 1st, or 3rd.

 

 

 

 

 

On 11/24/2017 at 4:36 PM, Mathias Baumann said:

Two Australian girls said that Osborne had been sitting next to Oswald. Osborne himself denied this. Who are we to believe? I don't know much about the two girls - but Osborne IS a suspicious character, especially in view of the fact that later he would confide to a friend that he had indeed been with Oswald.

 On the other hand I know there's reason to believe Oswald went to Mexico by car - or not at all. The whole story remains an enigma to me. So what's your opinion?

Paul is correct...  Oswald was not on the bus offered up as evidence... changed 2 and 3 and 4 times to finally match the timetable.

The Australian girls repeated tell us they are on Del Norte buses...   The Flecha Rojas bus manifest from Monterrey to Mexico City only lists those passengers who got on in Monterrey.

Below left is from Nuevo Laredo to Monterrey...  2pm depart...  it's almost 4 hours to Monterrey yet the Flecha Rojas bus leaving Monterrey departs at 3:30pm... only 90 mins later

Flecha Rojas = Continental Busline   del Norte = Greyhound....   one rarely bounces back and forth between buslines on a simple trip like this...

del Norte leaves Monterrey at 7:30pm

This report... dated May 11, 1964, is well after the changes to the evidence had occurred yet still sticks with Flecha Rojas for Oswald... 
The AUSSIE girls stick to their claim of del Norte travel...

and the FBI simply LOVES the testimony of RUIZ... who willingly places Oswald wherever his superiors tell him... cause y'know it would be "inimical" to his best interests (of not disappearing into a DFS prison maybe?)

 

 

Miss MUMFORD. Well, we traveled by bus on a scheme which allowed us to travel on Trailways buses for a period of 3 months for a certain amount. We just got on and off at various places we wanted to see: For instance, Washington, D.C.; Miami, where we stayed a week; then we went across to New Orleans, down through Texas to Laredo, and from Laredo we crossed the border also by bus and went to Monterrey.

We spent one day in Monterrey and left by bus at 7:30 p.m. at Monterrey, and it was on that bus that we met Lee Harvey Oswald. 

Miss MUMFORD. Well, the ticket we had on this deal enabled us only to travel in the States, not in Mexico.  So, we bought the ticket on the bus at Laredo and that enabled us to stop off in Monterrey. But the ticket was from Laredo to Mexico City.
Mr. BALL. And from what company did you buy the ticket?
Miss MUMFORD. As far as I can remember, it was a bus company called Transporter del Norte.

Mr. BALL. Now, you got on the bus at Monterrey on the evening of September 26 at 7:30 p.m., you just told me?
Miss MUMFORD. Yes.
Mr. BALL. And what was the company that operated that bus, do you know?
Miss MUMFORD. That was also Transporter del Norte.

  

6 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

Thanks Cory.

I agree about the mud.  Its everywhere in this case.  Too much to be coincidences.

The Evidence has been and will always be the Conspiracy... it can’t point to anything else....

Andrej... A question...

When does Lovelady in Hughes, as the limo turns into Elm in full color top left...

And in Altgens at z255... Get way over to the right with PM seen in the background?

And none of that jives with where Wesley says theses men are... ?

??

19 hours ago, Andrej Stancak said:

This picture is actually from Robert Groden's book. Groden pointed to the 13'' head but he did not say the picture was tampered. Whether the picture is valid or not, Oswald was noticeably taller than Lovelady, and Lovelady was 5'8''. Would you agree?

Hi Andrej...

Not altered... Misrepresented.

Move a shorter man forward a couple inches and he is now 5'9"....

Having a 13" head is not possible.... People simply don't work that way....

Noticeably taller?

We are to remember that the evidence which FIRST was associated with this trip from Mexico City to Laredo comes from the Arturo Bosch altered FRONTERA passenger manifest. Eventually, when it was decided that our man Oswald was NOT on the FRONTERA 340 bus at 2pm, it was dropped like a hot potato.

Yet thru March/April 1964 it was believed that this evidence was accurate. WCD 684 p2-CE2122 even though the rest of CE2122 is dedicated to explaining away the conflicting evidence for what is seen on this manifest. There is no mention of ARTURO BOSCH or his handiwork in this Exhibit.