David Josephs

On 5/10/2017 at 10:57 PM, Andrej Stancak said:

Thanks, Joseph, for locating the original letters. Would you know what was the date of the later letter in which Lee wrote about settling in Dallas? Also, what could be the word (where my dots stand) in this second letter which I cannot interpret: "in Dallas, ..... for the time" .  Could it be "just" ? This is important to understand whether Dallas was his temporary mission before eventually getting to "Baltimore area". If he understood that Dallas was only a temporary stop before getting to Baltimore, it would show that Lee Oswald's seemingly erratic steps were thoroughly planned.

Josephs...  last name has an "s"...    all good.

"in Dallas, TEXAS ...for the time

The Baltimore story involves Richard Case Nagell's warning to Hoover about JFK being killed in September...  27/28/29th .  Here is the page from JFK/Unspeakable
You may wish to read Dick Russell's work on Nagell...  below is his affidavit.  The Baylor online archive of John Armstrong has a number of large notebooks on the man.

I've included enlargements of the 2 cards - one on Nagell the other on Oswald....  The signatures and sightings of Oswald in various places around the country was supposedly to establish that Oswald was "stalking" JFK.  Since we feel that Oswald was "handled" by Intel, getting him to write letters about moving to Nagell's target zone in mid 1963 MAY have been part of the "Oswald project"...  sheep-dipping Oswald for his work yet acting as a double edged sword when trying to defend himself later.

PT,

Case in point...  here is page 1 of a FBI memo explaining how CURRY told the truth to reporters in Dallas
and another one regarding SHANKLIN and the same thing.

The FBI squashed to truth, regardless, and in its place the "Oswald is Guilty" along with the "FBI can do no wrong" stories.

Virtually every place the FBI could lie, they did.  and we have proof of virtually every one of them.  Walker shooting being yet another place for them to lie....  "steel-jacketed bullet" was used... Ooops

And here is the letter stating his change in plans... no more Baltimore

What I can't find is this letter:   http://www.newsday.com/long-island/nassau/lee-harvey-oswald-letter-to-communist-gus-hall-to-be-sold-1.6286346 

Mr. Trejo

You have shown us you have neither the analytical skills nor the supporting evidence to take on what Mr Armstrong accomplished.

You continue to throw unsupported BS against the Forum Walls yet none sticks, it all just slides off leaving behind what only can be described as your tell tale signature.

I see you preface one statement with "IMHO" yet your opinions are never humble and are never stated as opinions but only unsupported statements you call "opinion".

You know this for a fact?

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Also, when Oswald tried to kill General Walker (as reported to the FBI by Natalie Voshinin on 4/14/1963, per Dick Russell, TMWKTM) Hosty got the message and told Surrey and Walker. Oswald was a marked man.

All the people at the John Birch Society meetings at Austin's BBQ in Dallas bad-mouthed Oswald after that -- and that would include JD Tippit as well as Dallas Postmaster Harry Holmes.

So you can support all this... including how Oswald was now a "marked man";  How you know what happens at the JBS meetings at Austin's...  Please do.

On this forum, "opinions" are only worth a read from those who have shown some level of understanding, some level of analytical accomplishment whereby the "opinion" actually carries some weight.  You sir have yet to enter the ballpark...   

You include descriptive adjectives in your "opinions" which also have no basis in reality and then need to explain how your opinions are colored by information you never seem able to supply.

I stick up for John here since he can't seem to find the strength to suffer the fools after actually DOING those things you've only read about.

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First, I do perceive that at least one FBI agent had a hand in killing JFK, namely, Dallas FBI agent James Hosty. 

Perceive from what Paul?  What evidence do you have that supports Hosty having a hand in actually killing JFK beyond your own already debunked theories about the Walker shooting?

Considering you probably have not read 10% of the H&L material (which is double your normal effort) you are supremely unqualified to quibble with JA over the deeper meanings to the information he's uncovered.

The real bottom line is your inability to see the evidence staring you in the face, much like Mr. Von Pein.  If you cannot see how, where and why the FBI "interfered" with the evidence, the documentary evidence as well as the physical evidence in order to remove conflicting accounts as much as possible as well as insert incriminating evidence to strengthen the already weak case they had... I feel sorry for you.

The Evidence is the Conspiracy.  And no one had more control over the evidence than the FBI.

What DVP here fails to mention is the 4 different reports of finding this Money Order ....  and that it would have been the TREASURY who had the tape created by these punch cards.  The TAPE which connects the serial number to the FILE LOCATOR NUMBER.  

Following encashment of a check by the payee, it is deposited sooner or later in a commercial bank. The bank will honor the check after proper examination and then will apply to its cognizant Federal Reserve Bank for the reimbursement, which usually takes the form of a credit to the bank's reserve account. The Federal Reserve Bank then applies to the Treasurer of the United States for reimbursement of the amount which it has credited to the commercial bank. When the Treasurer has electronically examined the check to determine that it bears an authorized disbursing officer's symbol and serial number and that there is not a stop-payment notice against it, the check is considered "paid." Checks are received in batches of about 1,000 checks, accompanied by detailed listings.

One of these 4 brings us to the USPS National Records center in Maryland where the Money Order was supposedly retrieved by Robert Jackson and given to J. Harold Marks who in turn gives it to Secret Service SA PARKER at 10:10pm.  

Problem being Dave, the Fed Records Center is not the US Treasury.  the FILE LOCATOR NUMBER appears to only be used by the Treasury.  At what point that day does the SS/FBI/USPS acquire this file locator number?

Why is it not until that night that "computers" were turned on at the Fed Records Center by Secret Service "Recording" Agent BURKE claiming it would be 15 mins for the computer to warm up so they could find the PMO.  

DAVE - What info would they be feeding into that system and from where did they get it?  According to WCD87 p118 SS Asst Chief Paterni asks SAIC GAIGLEIN to find the PMO and is given the serial number, March 12, $21.45, KLEINS and HIDELL.

About that same time Postal Inspector KNIGHT tells SS SA GRIFFITHS the PMO would be sent to Kansas City and the PIs there are already looking.

at 8:55pm EST, 70 minutes before it is actually found, SS SA GRIFFITHS learns the original PMO has been recovered "By Postal Inspectors" and is on the way to Asst Chief of the SS PATERNI.

You see Dave... there being a file locator is nice - if a PMO was forged we'd expect to see the number...  if the PMO was NOT forged... we'd expect to see the MO STUB which remains attached to the MO BOOK.  Neither of which are in evidence and would have looked like this before being detached...  The stub on the far right would still be in the book even if Oswald lost his copy of the receipt - yet given that Oswald kept EVERYTHING, kinda strange this stub was not among his belongings...

This thread deals with the required processing marks on the back of this PMO.  The STAMP placing "50 91144" is the KLEIN STAMP for depositing checks...  Once it hits the 1st Nat'l of Chicago, it and the Federal Reserve Bank will process this check so the USPS can transfer the money to the correct bank.

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1.    The Bank, now the new Payee, forwards the PMO to their affiliated Federal Reserve Bank for reimbursement of funds and processing USPS Fed Res Sys process
a.     All money orders are forwarded through the Federal Reserve Banking System, to which commercial banks have access
                                         i.    For this standard: Money order means a U.S. Postal Money Order.
b.     The postmaster general has the usual right of a drawee to examine money orders presented for payment by banks through the Federal Reserve System and to refuse payment of money orders, and has a reasonable time after presentation to make each examination. Provisional credit is given to the Federal Reserve Bank when it furnishes the money orders for payment by the postmaster general. Money orders are deemed paid only after examination is completed, subject to the postmaster general’s right to make reclamation under 3.4.

c.     The presenting bank and the endorser of a money order presented for payment are deemed to guarantee to the postmaster general that all prior endorsements are genuine, whether an express guarantee to that effect is placed on the money order. When an endorsement is made by a person other than the payee personally, the presenting bank and the endorser are deemed to guarantee to the postmaster general, in addition to other warranties, that the person who so endorsed had capacity and authority to endorse the money order for the payee.

d.     The postmaster general has the right to demand refund from the presenting bank of the amount of a paid money order if, after payment, the money order is found to be stolen, or to have a forged or unauthorized endorsement, or to contain any material defect or alteration not discovered on examination. Such right includes, but is not limited to, the right to make reclamation of the amount by which a genuine money order with a proper and authorized endorsement has been raised. Such right must be exercised within a reasonable time after the postmaster general discovers that the money order is stolen, bears a forged or unauthorized endorsement, or is otherwise defective. If refund is not made by the presenting bank within 60 days after demand, the postmaster general takes such actions as may be necessary to protect the interests of the United States.
 

2.    The Federal Reserve Bank will record the transaction and also include markings on the back of the PMO in accordance to their batch processing rules. 

a.    Today, the Federal Reserve Banking System (FRBS) processes everything electronically yet fairly recently the paper products themselves were sent through Batch Processing machines.  Section 7040 of Chapter 7000 of the “Procedures for Processing Postal Money Orders” tells us:

                                         i.    Section 7040 -Processing Fit Money Orders
7030.25 -Fit Money Order. A money order that can be completely processed on high speed processing equipment.

·         Batching and Listing Fit Money Orders. Paper money orders are MICR printed with the routing code (including a routing number of 0000-0020 or 000000204) and the serial number with check digit. The routing number is also preprinted in the upper right corner on the form, which is in the location and front as prescribed by the ABA.

FRBs will process FIT money orders as follows:

·         Receive money orders from banks and process on high speed equipment in the manner most compatible with the processing of other categories of cash items.
         Prepare batches of no more than 500 items.

·         Insert (in numerical sequence) USPS batch Locator Control Documents so that one is filed at the beginning of each batch of money orders to be read.

·         Create a paper-tape list of serial numbers with optional check digit and amount of each money order read. The list will show the batch number and a subtotal for each batch with an overall total of all money orders listed on the paper tape.

·         The total amount of fit items should be entered on PS Form 1901, code 100.

·         Money orders bearing unreadable MICR characters in the on-us field are not to be rejected and handled as mutilated. List the characters that can be read on the paper tape as a reconcilement aid.

                                        ii.    Section 7040 & 7050 (Manual process)

·         7050.20 -Insert a USPS Batch Locator Control Document at the beginning of each batch of mutilated money orders.

·         7050.30 -Prepare an adding machine listing of each batch showing the following information:

a.     FRB name or code at the top.

b.     The amount of each item.

c.     The total amount of the batch.

d.     FRB clearance date.

e.     Batch number

                                       iii.    Section 7070 - Processing Old Style Money Orders

·         "Punch card" money orders that have the ABA routing number 0000-0119 will be handled as mutilated items. They should be identified as old style "punch card" money orders on the PS Form 1901 for code 004

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Notice the "punch card" of these OLD STYLE PMOs.   Why doesn't the Fed for Chicago have a record as well as the PMO exhibiting their markings?

And finally - one of the stories offered is from Harry Holmes who claims the STUB was found since one of the 3 copies of the PMO is the receipt retained by the USPS..  The ORIGINAL PMO would have looked kinda like this before the left 2 copies are torn from the book and given to the customer...

Dave - where is the book with the stub proving that PMO was EVER real?  It doesn't exist buddy... for Holmes' story was a complete crock of sh!t as we all now know.

So while you may have found something on this faked piece of evidence which does correlate to the real world - connecting it to that real world is not something you ever seem able to do.  You like to pick one and only one thing and hammer it relentlessly.  It's a tactic so you don't have to deal with all the other items of evidence supporting the creation of that item of evidence.

Why too would the HSCA "handwriting experts" be given a photocopy of this critical item when it is the only item the expressly connects Oswald to Hidell to the rifle?

Not only was the PMO offered a XEROX, but one of the experts goes on to explain how copy/paste/rephoto is one of the key ways to create a fraudulent document

ITEM #29. March 12, 1963. U.S. postal money order No. 2,202,130,462 bearing handwritten fill-ins as follows: Klein's Sporting Goods, A. Hidell, P.O. Box 2915. Dallas, Tex. Blue ink, ballpoint pen. Location: Archives. (CE 788; JFK exhibit F-509A and 509B.) Note: Item #29 is acknowledged as a XEROX COPY made from the microfilm copy

From the HSCA Experts report itself:

1. Limitations on the examination (71) Five items of evidence were not examined in the original, but were copies. Photocopies have several limitations. They do not reproduce all the fine details in handwriting needed in making an examination and comparison. At best, they do not produce as sharp an image as a properly produced photograph, and they lack tonal gradations, a result of the contrasting process of reproduction. In addition, it is possible to incorporate or insert changes and alterations into copies. A method frequently used is to paste together parts of documents to make one fraudulent document, which is then copied. If the first copy can pass inspection, it will be used; if not, it will be reworked to eliminate all signs of alteration. This amended copy is then recopied for the finished product. This is usually referred to as the "cut and paste" method. (72) Document examiners only render a qualified or conditional opinion when working from copies. They stipulate that they have to examine the original before a definite opinion will be made. (73) Because of problems with the following documents, no definite opinion can be rendered: (74) Item 18, a halftone copy of a photograph of the original document. This is at least a third generation copy and is not suitable for comparison. (A halftone copy consists of very small dots and not continuous lines.) (75) Item 29 was a Xerox copy made from a microfilm copy. Such a second generation copy has the defects of both processes

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The "base" distance from z273 to the Criminal Courts building is 242.8ft.

Not according to the 1"=20' survey plat.  For this to be correct it would be 12.14" from z273 to any portion of the DCCC

The north corner of the bldg is 12.3".  And using the revised 104.1' as the height of the triangle I get 264, not 267.

242' is the hypotenuse for shot #2 at 419.07 (sic)   
267' is the hypotenuse for the shot hitting the street at 418.35 from 70.3' elevation between #2 & #3

I see no significance to 264' or to z273

Chris... what's YOUR significance to Z273?  JC had already been shot once...

Plus.. please address where your endpoint is - JFK @ 54", JFK @ 3.27', JC, Street ???

I see that you'd like to place a shooter in the DCCC but don't we already know there was a shooter on the Records bldg? Weatherford?  If the 25 degrees is a guess - which it was - the more likely location would be the Records Bldg roof...

On 5/8/2017 at 10:59 PM, Chris Davidson said:

The elevation change from z313 to z273 is 1.587ft.

Street elevation for z273 = 420.06

So of course I have questions....  Bottom line though...  what are you claiming happened at z273?

#1

The base of the Criminal Courts building appears to be at elevation 430ft.
The limo elevation at z273 = 430 - 12.97ft (that's using z313 @ elevation 418.48 per CE884). 

430’ elev. – 12.97’ elev. = 417.03’ which is lower than z313 at 418.48 (which is measured to the street).         
Not Possible

(CE884) z255 = 416.4  z313 = 465.3    465.3-416.4 = 48.9’ / 18.3 = 2.67’ higher than z313
 (CE884) 424.46 - 421.75 = 2.71’ higher than z313  average 2.69’

Z273 is about 2.69’ higher than z313 = 418.48 + 2.69 = 421.17 elevation not 417.03.

#2

The height needed for a 25-degree downward angle is 113.2ft. (take your word for it)

To where? A) Elm street 3.27’ above Elm or C) 54” above Elm?
and to what at z273 = JFK? JC? Street?  From what I see there is no shot at 273 unless 273 used to be 225

For a shot at z273 to JFK
Add 3.27’ to 420.466 to get CE884 results for JFK at z273…  423.736
Or add 54" or 4.5' to 420.466+4.5=424.97 for "actual" JFK

12.97’ (Vert drop) x 18.3’ = 237.351 horizontal base feet from z273 to a point 12.97 feet below elevation 430… the DCCC bldg is on the south side of Houston… would it not be 237.351’ to the 430 elevation line in the middle of Houston? And isn’t that more than 10’ to the base of the DCCC?

#3

113.2 - 12.97ft = 100.23ft approx. In other words take the top of the DCCC, adjust for the elevation

100ft up in the corner of the Criminal Courts building is where you'll find the shooter.
From the way you described the math, you are calculating to a spot on the street, not to JFK and to a point well in front of the DCCC building.  Also, the 25 degree entry was a guess with who knows how much accuracy.

Some stuff I found on the height of buildings in DP

“On the northeast corner of Main and Houston streets, stands the Dallas County Criminal Courts building. The 8-story (plus basement), 124-foot-tall building was built in 1913-15, and housed two Dallas County criminal courts and the county jail. More importantly, the Dallas County Sheriff Department had their offices in this building.

On the southeast corner of Elm and Houston streets is the Dallas County Records and Annex. The Annex is the whitish building that is predominantly closest to Dealey Plaza, with the Records Building east of it. The Annex was built in 1955, with its main facade facing Elm St. The Records building was built in 1926-28, and has a limestone exterior and gothic motif. The Annex is 7 stories high, and 80 feet of it face Houston St. On the south side of it is a steel dock connecting it with the County Courts building”.

So, what am I looking at during Z273?

So we're back to the change from 48fps to 24fps yet there is another conversion to 18.3fps requiring the removal of another 23.75% of the frames if 50% of ALL the frames are removed...

Q1:  Which 4 frames are you talking about?  We were talking about 301-313 or 12 frames to travel 7.205' or 7.33' 
Q2: If 50% of the frames are removed from this sequence, then much more than 66% would need removing elsewhere to wind up with 18.3... PLUS if Nix is filming at his 16-18fps the 24fps cutdown will not match...  Using 50% just because the results are closer to what you want to see doesn't mean that 50% is correct...  on the flip side during 285-334 it is very possible that only 50% are removed there, starting at 161 yet changing that to 168, helps with some more frames, some more distances and speeds.

According to your calcs,there would have been 24 total frames from 301 to 313; total distance 7.205'.  7.205/24=.3002 feet per frame = 3.74mph
(How do you get 24 frames as a starting point when the camera speed is either 16 or 48fps?)
According to mine there would have been 32 total frames from 301 to 313 (@ 48fps); same distance  7.205/32=.22516' per frame = 2.81 mph * 2.623 (48/18.3) = 7.37mph at 18.3fps

So again, which 4 frames within 301-313 are you talking about?

Why divide 7.4745 mph by 2 when you leave it alone at 7.60 mph

7.33ft x   (18.3/12)1.525 = 11.178...ft per sec    / 1.47 = 7.60… mph
7.205ft x (18.3/12)1.525 = 10.987625ft per sec / 1.47 =7.4745… / 2 = 3.737… mph

Just now, Michael Clark said:

Camera flashes would make the shadow disappear.

but not the Mic itself ...  these images are split seconds apart Mike

Here's another one...  in the bottom image,,, where's the mic?

The only strangeness I've found which to me remains unexplained is the disappearing Mic.

At the top left the Mic hangs about a "head and a half" above the man with a mic in his hand...  the shadow is on the wall from a light to the images left...
The Mic and shadow hang BELOW the top of the door on that wall..

But then top right and bottom right are but seconds apart...  Middle left is AFTER the shooting while bottom middle is a split second before... no Mic

How dat?

12 hours ago, George Sawtelle said:

Michael

The CIA made a genuine effort to stop the assassination. This wasn't about deniability.

George, can you possibly offer something grounded in FACT supporting that statement?  The CIA was all about deniability...

What better way than to have CIA agents believe they were involved in the process of stopping the assassination...

Nothing in his description gives the impression that this group was part of aborting anything...  Like Oswald in Mexico, this was yet another layer of the CIA's onion of creating and accounting for a myriad of activities which served to derail an honest investigation.

Mr. Plumlee: http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/toshfiles.htm 

Although my specific assigned function was only a pilot. Upon arriving at Redbird Airport, Sergio asked me if I wanted to come along and see the President. I could also act as a spotter for him and his team, which, he said, were assigned to the south side of the plaza. I was told other members of the team would be patrolling the north side and the overpass. I understood we would be looking for a type of triangulation ambush. I gladly accepted Sergio's offer. It seemed like an adventure I didn't want to miss. We were driven from Red Bird Airport to a place not far from the Oak Cliff Country Club, then driven to Dealey Plaza, where we (Sergio and I) checked various areas and attempted to spot potential members of an attack team from the position on the South Knoll. The original information the team had received from sources in Texas and the CIA was an attempt was going to be made outside the Adolphus Hotel, but for reasons unknown to them, I was told ,the routing of the motorcade had been changed at the last minute to Dealey Plaza. 

While on the south knoll, Sergio and I were attempting to evaluate the most logical places where shooters might be located, but everything was confused, the timing was off, team members were late getting into position. They were not where they were supposed to be and the limited radio contacts that we had with them were not working, or spotty at best. It was soon after our arrival that the motorcade arrived. When the shots rang out, I had the impression of 4 or 5 shots, with one being fired from behind and to my left on the South Knoll, near the underpass and south parking lot. While leaving via the south side of the underpass near the train tracks, Sergio and I smelled gunpowder. I never saw Roselli in Dealey Plaza that day. 

As I was saying:

https://ratical.org/ratville/JFK/CIACtrlF.html

How the CIA Controls President Ford 
By L. Fletcher Prouty 
reprinted with permission of the author

One year earlier, in 1959, Frank Hand had directed a Boston banker to my office. At that time I worked in the Directorate of Plans in Air Force headquarters and my work was top secret. Few of my contemporaries in the Pentagon knew that I was in charge of a global U.S. Air Force system created for the dual purpose of providing Air Force support for the CIA and for protecting the best interests of the USAF while performing that task. My door was labeled simply, "Team B"; yet that Boston banker knocked and entered with assurance. Somehow he knew what my work was and he knew that I might be able to help him.

In 1959 there were very few helicopters in all of the services, and military procurement of those expensive machines was at an all-time low. The Bell Helicopter Company was all but out of business, and its parent company, Bell Aerospace Corp., was having trouble keeping it financially afloat. Meanwhile, the shrewd Royal Little, President of the Providence-based Textron Company, had a good cash position and could well afford the acquisition of a loser. Textron and the First National Bank of Boston got together to talk helicopters. Neither one knew a thing about them. But men in First Boston were close to the CIA, and they learned that the CIA was operating helicopters in Laos. What they needed to know now was, "What would be the future of the military helicopter, and would the use of helicopters in South East Asia escalate if given a little boost -- such as moving a squadron from Laos to Vietnam?" The CIA could tell them about that, and Frank Hand would be the man who could get them to the right people in the Pentagon.

The banker from Boston phrased his questions as though he believed that the helicopters in Laos were somehow operating under the Air Force, and then went on to ask about their tactical significance and about the possible increase of helicopter utilization for that kind of warfare. This was at a time when not even newspapers had reported anything like the operation of such large and expensive aircraft in that remote war. We had a rather thorough discussion and then he left. He called me several times after that and visited my office a month or two later.

As the record will show, Textron did acquire the Bell Helicopter Company and the CIA did step up use of helicopters to the extent that one of the CIA's own proprietary companies, Asia Aeronautics Inc., had more than four thousand men on each of two bases where helicopters were maintained. Most of those men were involved in their maintenance -- Bell Helicopters, no less!

Orders for Bel Helicopters for use in Vietnam exceeded $600-million. Anyone wanting to know more about how the U.S. got so heavily ($200-billion and the loss of 58,000 American lives) involved in Indochina need look no further. This was the pattern and the plan

I do believe you will also find the law firm of Cravath, Swain and Moore (John McCloy, Roswell Gilpatrick, G.W. Miller,...) and the entire TEXTRON history leading to their acquisition of BELL Helicopter in 1960 as part of this drama.

The entire story begins with Arthur Little in 1886 and his nephew ROYAL LITTLE whose lawfirm was Cravath.  It was General Cabell who advised the Boston Bank VP.
Within 2 years, by 1963 and with the help of CIA General Cabell, the use of helicopters in SE Asia increased and never looked back.  The "helicopter" as an instrument of war proved horribly costly in terms of lives lost and support needed...  All Bell helicopters did in Vietnam was to make TEXTRON owners more wealthy.

Textron bought Bell Helicopter in July of 1960, four
months before the election. Bell's sales were down an
even hundred million in 1959 from nearly double that in
1953. Textron bought the company for what was considered
one of the worst deals of the year - $32 million or
exactly the company's book value. Yet Rupert C.
Thompson, Jr. ; "
then Textron Chairman (Miller was
President) , boasted, "We knew we had our objective -
25 percent pre-tax profit on our investment - from day
one."
That was a pretty cocky statement by the head of a
company that had $98 million in long-term debt, large
amounts of warrants and convertible preferred stock
outstanding, and was running out of tax credits. Since
1953 the company had not paid a penny in tax, having run
up a tax credit as high as $45 million in 1956. Textron
faced full tax liability by 1963.

The real trick here is how the cutout was created yet does not work when you put Oswald back into the image...

You think there's something going on with those two vertical white lines?  The image below includes the drop shadow in the original...as if they held the cutout part over the image and took another photo

The TWO different ghost images... one with a drop shadow and one without...  and in the exact shape of a pose not seen until 1977... nice trick!

Mr. SPECTER. At that time you looked back and saw Special Agent Hill across the trunk of the car, had your automobile accelerated by that time? 
Mr. KELLERMAN. Tremendously so; yes. 
Mr. SPECTER. Now, to the best of your ability to recollect, exactly when did your automobile first accelerate? 
Mr. KELLERMAN. Our car accelerated immediately on the time-at the time--this flurry of shots came into it. 
Mr. SPECTER. Would you say the acceleration-- 
Mr. KELLERMAN. Between the second and third shot

Compartmentalization people....

Tosh's POV and what the actual plans were, remains irreconcilable.  There's very little reason not to believe him, there is also no reason to believe he was not part of the deniability plan.

I'm commenting on this thread due to what appears to be a very simple way of determining if Oswald ordered and rec'd said rifle...

The FBI and USPS was watching everything that came to and went from Mr. Oswald. 

Is DVP really trying to tell us that Oswald was able to order a rifle and a pistol, pay for them both, have the USPS and REA involved in the shipping and delivery of said rifle and pistol AND Oswald needing to show up at both places to collect his order...

Not a single FBI informant was able to let the FBI know that their Russian defector had just ordered a Rifle?  That a 5 foot carton from Kleins was delivered to the Dallas main Post Office addressed to A HIDELL yet to Oswald's PO Box?

How is it possible the FBI is completely unaware of the order, the shipment and/or the pick-up when they knew which magazines and letters he was receiving, where he lived and received his mail, where he worked, and on and on...  Here is a March 25, 1963 report on Lee and Marina...  The rifle and pistol had been ordered and shipped by now 

If the rifle evidence was not created after the fact... why didn't the FBI or Harry Holmes of the USPS know about the rifle order and subsequent rifle shipment until Nov 22?

Some are spaced... some are right next to the month...

There does not appear to be a "1" in front of that "2" for Nov 12.

Ask and ye shall receive....  There's MAR 12 from the Dallas PO.  Seems to me you can make out both digits in all cases.

I'd like to add a few things that also do not sit well with this typed letter...

First off, the VISA Oswald supposedly applied for and received was not a 15-day VISA but a 180-day VISA... someone with this visa could stay in Mexico for 6 months...

I'm not sure why the visa itself was not identified as a FM-5 instead of the FM-8 and why it was recorded alphabetically as "OSWALD" despite the person's name being LEE

This is the FM-11 entry for Harvey Oswald (H.O.) LEE by Auto on Sept 26

yet here is the FM-11 summary putting Mr. LEE between the letters M and P

Also... are we sure the letter was mailed on the 12th?  The post mark looks to me like the 2nd... meaning the letter would have been dated forward(?)

Tommy is right though.... the writing does appear to be very similar to that of the man returning from Russia..

Andrej...

Thanks for looking into that...  As for planting it after the shooting I'd suggest not coming to any conclusion just yet...

Read Boone's timeline as he tells it...   From my reading of it it appears to me that everyone waits until Boone arrives before the rifle is found... And I thought I remembered thqat Boone came to the TSBD with someone...  I'd have to go look.  Now I remember...  Mooney is credited with finding the rifle... Alyea cxorrects his statement claiming Mooney had nit yet even arrived...

What strikes me as strange is that, despite the similarities between the BOONE and WEITZMAN statements, the timing of their statements appears to conflict.

Mr. BALL - Where did you view the parade?
Mr. BOONE - Right in front of the sheriff's office. (Corner of Main & Houston)
Mr. BALL - You turned to your right and went west?
Mr. BOONE - Well, there is a big cement works out there. We went on west across Houston Street, and then cut across the grass out there behind the large cement works there. Some of the bystanders over there seemed to think the shots came from up over the railroad in the freight yards, from over the triple underpass. So there was some city officer, I don't know who he was, motorcycle officer had laid his motorcycle down and was running up the embankment to get over a little retaining wall that separates the freight yards there. He went over the wall first, and I was right behind him, going into the freight yards. We searched out the freight yards. We were unable to find anything.

Mr. BOONE - Well, I finally went around and was talking to some of the spectators that were in the area there, located a boy by the name of Betzer(sic). He had taken what he thought was some photographs, or there were photo-graphs--he thought he might have had a portion of the building. Later on we were able to ascertain that the shots had come from the building, from that southeast corner over there. And he had some photographs, but they didn't extend past the second floor on the building.
Mr. BALL - Did you go up into the building then?
Mr. BOONE - I took him on over to the sheriff's office, and placed him in the sheriff's office, took his camera, to bring it back to the ID Bureau to be developed. Placed him in the sheriff's office at that time to await somebody to take a statement from him. Then some other officers, Ralph Walters and Officer Gramstaff, and I don't know
whether--I don't remember Officer Mooney was with them or not at that time they headed back to get some heavy power flashlights. They said they wanted to look around in the attic. And there were a bunch of pallets, that they moved the books around, and it was dark and they couldn't see. So we got the lights and went over to the building. At that time, we proceeded directly to the sixth floor.
Mr. BALL - Somebody tell you to go to the sixth floor?
Mr. BOONE - Well, that is just where everybody was going. And they said five floors below that--I believe Inspector Sawyer with the city was out there, and he said the other floors were in the process of being searched or had been already searched. This was after Officer Mooney found the shells.

Except ALYEA corrected his statement:  "I do however know that Officer Mooney was present when the rifle was found because I took film of him at the scene."  with the following: (Important correction) Take out the sentence that starts with :" I do however know that Officer Mooney…"

"Mooney was a Sheriff's Deputy, not a police officer. He did not arrive on the sixth floor until after the rifle was found and the search was over."

Mr. MOONEY - It was a push button affair the best I can remember. got hold of the controls and it worked. We started up and got to the second. I was going to let them off and go on up. And when we got there, the power undoubtedly cut off, because we had no more power on the elevator. So I looked around their office there, just a short second or two, and then I went up the staircase myself. And I met some other officers coming down, plainclothes, and I believe they were deputy sheriffs. They were coming down the staircase. But I kept going up. And how come I get off the sixth floor, I don't know yet. But, anyway, I stopped on six, and didn't even know what floor I was on.
Mr. BALL - You were alone?
Mr. MOONEY - I was alone at that time.