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  1. Hi David; sorry no, i know of no known photo that shows anyone on the bench, i wish, imo i always had the impression that Sitzman was referring to the Kennedys coming down Houston and round the corner, that is whom she was concentrating on, i believe, not the motorcycles,but to each their own interpretation, ta b..

    Thanks for the confirmation... I've tried and can't see them in anything...

    And I agree, Sitzman IS talking about the Kennedy's coming round Houston onto Elm... yet the Z film splices to them already on Elm... It is my opinion, based on work by Chris Davidson and others, that the corner turn was removed to align all the films... I've written about this before...this was why the frame numbers were determined by working BACKWARD from 312... and NPIC could not understand how LIFE determined the frames for the first and second shots...

    Do you know if there was mention of all that broken glass while all these people are milling around? and it looks to me that there is still a paper bag with a bottle in it...

    Does it makes sense that they would literally throwing the bottle on the ground and make it explode?

    darnellbenchandpool.jpg

  2. Doesn't her statement about when Zap starts filming... "just before they came around the corner" at :42

    help support Zaps memory about filming the entire turn?

    re:BDM and the kids...

    Sitzman: Some ran ... I mean ... I finally got back up to the alcove. There was bunches of people just swarming back there, and I think almost everybody on that hill ran back up that way. And another thing that I remember this day: there was a colored couple. I figure they were between 18 and 21, a boy and a girl, sitting on a bench, just almost, oh, parallel with me, on my right side, close to the fence.

    • Thompson: Darn right. I know. I've seen the films too. Now, to get to this area between the stockade fence and the cement abutment, or small mall: Did you turn after the shot to look in this general area?
    • Sitzman: Yes.
    • Thompson: And did you see anyone in this area?
    • Sitzman: No, just the two colored people running back.
    • Thompson: I see. They were already ... they'd gotten up from the bench and were now running around into the gap made between the stockade fence and the pergola.
    • Sitzman: Either in the gap there or back in the alcove. I don't recall which way they went. I saw ... I heard the bottles crash, and of course I looked that way, to my right, right away, and they were getting up and running towards the back. And I turned back to see if there was anything in the front street, because then they didn't affect me one way or another.
    • Thompson: To see if anything else was going on. Had you seen them sitting on the bench before you stood next to them?
    • Sitzman: Oh year, yes. Everybody is ... oh, ten or fifteen minutes before, everybody was milling around down there, trying to find a place to stand and everything, and I know when we went over to get up on the marble thing, they were already sitting there.

    Seeing the height of the wall and the bench... anyone sitting there SHOULD be seen in either Betzner, Willis, Moorman, ??? at least the tops of their heads if Sitzman can see them...

    Are you aware of ANY photo or image that shows these two people at that bench?

    Blackwomanwithbaby-BDM.jpg

    BDMthebenchandthebottle.jpg

  3. James,

    In this thread propose that the first shot to the head came from a very high elevation,such as the roof of the Criminal Records or Criminal Courts Building. I think it struck the top of JFK's head and exited at the right temple. It had a very steep downward slope and would have penetrated deep into the brain.

    http://educationforu...45

    The exit wound is inside the red ellipse. It is seen as the round hole in the temple area in the xray.

    topofhead06resizedellip.gif

    xautlarge.png

    Couple of concerns with your conclusions Mike...

    1) If it was a high to low shot from behind... why are the fragments leading away from SOLID BONE at the back of the head, when there should be an opening for an entrance wound at the back..?

    2) Looking at the following images... the pre/post of JFK's skull shows there would be bone where the xray shows it's gone... if the skull is gone there, what is holding JFK's face and forehead up?

    xray-before-after-JFK-skull.gif

    X_AUT_2overlayleftside.jpg

    and finally... can you explain the HUGE difference in the headwound from Parkland to Bethesda?

    What started as a small temple wound and a 3-4 inch blowout in the right rear becomes 3/4 of his skull gone... based on Boswell and the xrays...

    xraysversusreality.jpg

  4. Thanks Josh... interesting.

    I am of the opinion that copy #184, the missing copy, was of the original film and ultimately becomes the basis for the existing copies... this MAY be the copy Max refers to that is sent to DC, or is taken directly to Hawkeye which becomes the "original" SS agent Bill Smith delivers to NPIC.

    I am suprised this hasn't gotten more attention... Max referring to Zapruder's as the "master" as opposed to the "original" is also interesting to me.

    If it was not #184, then at some point the in camera original is altered and duplicated onto K2 film stock and PRESENTED as the original, while the actual original is ???

    DJ

  5. Thought you might find this interesting if you haven't seen it before David.

    From David Belin's "Final Disclosure" (1988, pg.182):

    The person who had actually first contacted Abraham Zapruder after the assassinatinon was Dan Rather, CBS News, who after finding Zapruder, took the film and was able to have the processing of the film expedited.

    Thanks Josh... This is Belin quoting Rather... or relating second hand stories from those that heard Rather say so?

    Mrs. Zapruder says the SS takes the film THAT NIGHT... There is no evidentary record of Rather being involved with Zap, Sorrels, Phillips or the two DPD cops that escorted them...

    Does Belin offer anything to coroborrate?

    DJ

  6. Indeed Karl... I believe THIS is why the turn was cut out of the Z film and is not available in its entirety...

    the problem remains TOWNER... other than the splice AT THE CORNER... it seems to be smooth...

    Mr. TRULY. That is right.

    And the President's car following close behind came along at an average speed of 10 or 15 miles an hour. It wasn't that much, because they were getting ready to turn. And the driver of the Presidential car swung out too far to the right, and he came almost within an inch of running into this little abutment here, between Elm and the Parkway. And he slowed down perceptibly and pulled back to the left to get over into the middle lane of the parkway. Not being familiar with the street, he came too far out this way when he made his turn.

    Mr. BELIN. He came too far to the north before he made his curve, and as he curved--as he made his left turn from Houston onto the street leading to the expressway, he almost hit this north curb?

    Mr. TRULY. That is right. Just before he got to it, he had to almost stop, to pull over to the left.

    If he had maintained his speed, he would probably have hit this little section here.

    Mr. BELIN. All right.

  7. This entire sequence occurs after the shot at Zapruder frame 313 struck the president.

    zlimobrake4bikes183nisaofi.gif

    So what are you saying Mike?

    Greer slows the limo even further FOR the headshots... then accelerates away as described by the witnesses...

    that's how Hill can reach the limo so fast and has to hang on for dear life afterward....

    and then there are the motorcops who basically STARE at the GK right after the shots

    NixleftsidemotorcopslookatGK.jpg

  8. It seems to me that the limo traveling at 2-3 mph for a couple seconds would APPEAR as if the limo stopped from a variety of angles...

    yet it very possibly just keeps rolling...

    and to me, the image on the left shows that JFK's head may have moved ever so slightly toward the bullet from the front, but not as a response to a shot from the back and right

    Regarding Greer avoiding a frontal assassin... the composite I made showing Greer looking back starting at 303 makes it obvious he was not concerned with aNYTHING in front of him... the head shot comes AFTER the limo has slowed to a crawl...

    AFTER Hill is able to reach a car supposedly going 8+mph, in 2-3 steps

    and AFTER he stares at JFK until his head is blown off...

    Given what Kellerman does upon arrival at Bethesda (leaves Greer at the wheel just waiting at the entrance while he RUNS to the morgue... this is just before 7pm) and how that evening is orchestrated... I get the impression that Greer was betwen a rock and hard place..

    There is simply no justification, after the turn onto Elm, for Greer to EVER stop accellerating... that he hits the brakes and slows the car to 2-3mph is very damning ....

    12. (f) Within these limitations, however, the Commission finds

    that the (SS) agents most immediately responsible for the President’s

    safety reacted promptly at the time the shots were fired from the TSBD.

  9. This is a animated gif posted by Robin Unger that shows the motorcycle officers did stop. They appear to be reacting to something on their right side. It also shows JFK's head being thrown back and to the left. I believe it also shows the moment when Officer Hargis was splattered with blood.

    The frame which shows JFK's head thrown back is equivalent to Zapruder Frame 318.

    zlimobrake4bikes183nisaofi.gif

    Hey there Mike...

    Something you might look at a bit closer in this gif... the movement of Hill and his ability to get from one vehicle to the other in 2-4 STEPS...

    Which feet are hitting the ground and how

    Which foot jumps up on to the back of the limo

    and how, if traveling at anything more than a 2-4mph could he possibly overtake the limo? Given the FACT he starts by the driver and takes less than 2 seconds to get there...

    Soemthing is not right there... he accelerates away from the Queen Mary... the limo barely moves away from him..

    I'd suggest driving with windows/door open at 2,4,6,8,10 mph... those vehilce look like they are moving at WALKING SPEED, about 3 mph... for Hill to accomplish this...

    2-3 mph APPEARS like the limo is standing still...

    DJ

    ps... if you;ve EVER driven at 3mph, even 8 mph... and imagined that as the PROTECTIVE SPEED OF THE SS for POTUS... shock and horror SHOULD be your response...

    Greer, if not guilty of failure to do his job, should have been reprimanded for his driving alone...

    12. (f) Within these limitations, however, the Commission finds

    that the (SS) agents most immediately responsible for the President’s

    safety reacted promptly at the time the shots were fired from the TSBD.

  10. Very interesting thought Richard about them all being "bad guys" yet a variety of DPD men ID themselves as being in those pictures...

    I am requoting the original post as many of the questions are answered there....

    http://jfkassassinationfiles.com/fbi_124-10180-10305 page 6... Townsend, Stepars(?), Macky claim they are in photos #5 and #3 respectively...

    DOYLE states that they were SENTENCED to 6 days in jail yet only served 2-3 and were released...

    Wise on the other hand, has these three paraded to Decker and then released THAT DAY...

    Could the DPD be so corrupted that they literally assisted in the escape of the RR yard team? Or was the parade an opportunity to yet have even more accomplices escape?

    We need more info on CHAMBERS, MIDDLETON, VAUGHN, HARKNESS... http://jfkassassinationfiles.com/fbi_124-10179-10310 this report is crucial as it completely contradicts the written evidence and testimony

    of these men....

    The rpoerts of Wise are amazing in the lack of security related to these men... no cuffs, escorted around, to and from Decker/Fritz in a car with onoly 1 policeman where Wise tells us that one of the suspects

    sits next to him, also uncuffed.... not exactly worried about these guys... are they?

    Would there happen to be any "interviews" of men in jail that weekend WITH these tramps? They might have heard a pretty good stroy from these OTHER tramps

    DJ

    After searching the Forum for TRAMPS... I still find a variety of different opinions and conclusions...

    The first being the discrepency between Wise's FBI interview where he talks about MIDDLETON being part of the three tramp escort team with him and Bass

    EXCEPT, Middleton claims he did not work 11/22/63 http://jfkassassinat...124-10273-10392

    MORE IMPORTANTLY is the statement by Wise that he and BASS escorted the three tramps and that they are in all the pictures..

    WiseFBIreportHEandBasstheONLYcopsinphotos.jpg

    Well, not so much as I have combined the images and we see that the cops in the Landsdale photo are NOT the same as in the other photos, especially the man in front...

    Could this be Vaughn who magically becomes Bass and disappears? The WC only asks Vaugh about the Oswald murder... not a thing about the tramps...

    Threetrampsphoto-notthesamecopinfront.jpg

    Well - Mr Wise here does not seem to get anything right about that day...

    and then when we add Chambers, whose name appears on the three "Arrest Reports on Investigative Prisoner", yet his memory of the incident is even worse...

    http://jfkassassinat...124-10180-10305 go to page 4 of these hand writtne notes and find that a bit was left out of the final report....

    http://jfkassassinat...124-10151-10221 on page 2 of the Doyle FBI interview they state that the three men had gone to a mission in the morning of 11/22 and took showers and cleaned up and had a noon meal

    Yet when looking at all the notes from Wise and other, these men were "Filthy and smelled badly". They had no socks as well...

    And finally, Wise was told "They were released" after spending 5 minutes in Decker's office... he does not see them leaving the usual way... and each of the "Arrest Reports" has them discharged on the 26th... 4 days later...

    1) Can we confirm who the policemen in the photos are? Who is Wise, Bass, Middleton (who said he was not there) and Vaughn?

    2) Were there two sets of tramps? AS these men were definitely not "filthy and smelly" from appearance and Doyle states they had just showered and cleaned up...

    3) Doyle states that he and the other two were "convicted of Vagrancy" and sent to jail for 6 days yet were released early... Is there any proof of this?

    mug shots? DPD paperwork of any kind? http://jfkassassinat...124-10151-10221

    What I see is an unidentified man with an earpiece who'se uniform does not match the man at the rear whose uniform is ill fitting and seems quite short for a cop while barely "guarding" three suspects taken from an area believed to have been the source of shots...

    Now why parade these men when they should have been handcuffed and placed in a car - is the real question...

    False Sponsors? designed to take up valuable time and effort... which they did and continue to do?

    Wise tells us that he speaks to the man in the control tower (Bowers) who mentioned the three men getting into a coal car... Wise and Vaughn retrieve them (Wise is not called to testify and Vaughn is asked ONLY about the Oswald murder)

    Finally, Chanbers signs the reports and has no memory of creating them...

    If we assume that nothing was done without a purpose that day, and the problems with the descriptions, personnel and events related to these three are plainly obvious... I believe we MUST look at them in the context of the three men who ran out of the back of the TSBD, got into the station wagon, and easily glided onto Elm in the midst of the assassiantion aftermath to stop, pick up an Oswald, and easily ride off -

    It does not add up and we must continue to find this connection...

    DJ

  11. Greg,

    You are missing the point.

    It is a monumental difference as to whether they knew, or did not know, that they were covering up something? Do I have to ask whether you understand this? I have studied this question extensively and had in mind to bring forward a whole range of alternative reasons for the WCs behavior and their from the outset flawed mission.

    What they should have done, or did not do is an entirely different question. That's not what I wanted this thread to be about. Start another thread about this question if you find it interesting.

    However, it is not possible for me to discuss any issue - some members here are more interested in bullying me than discuss the questions I raise, which is why I will no longer be a member of this site. The bullying is of no concern, the fact that I cannot raise questions is.

    Best to you,

    //GV

    Did the Warren Commission knowingly cover up a conspiracy?

    Glenn,

    When Allen Dulles withholds the FACTS about CIA/MAFIA assassination attempts on Castro - does this not go a long way in knowingly covering-up one of the ALTERNATIVES to Oswald=Lone Nut?

    One of the KEY ELEMENTS in determining whether Cuba, Castro or related COULD have been involved, and therefore takes attention away and adds reasonable doubt to the Oswald case?

    Is this not KNOWINGLY covering up a conspiracy? The conspiracy to assassinate Castro.. which, at the time of the WC, would have direct bearing on the JFK assassination

    Especially after Castro's warning whcih also losses meaning without knowledge of the attempts on his life...

    When Warren refuses to even LOOK at the files on Oswald.... and is told by LBJ to head the Commission due to what he knows about Mexico City... which is DIRECT EVIDENCE OF A CONSPIRACY to kill JFK,

    and that Warren MUST HELP AVOID WWIII...

    If Dulles, Warren, Hoover and LBJ all know that there is direct evidence of CIA assassination attempts AND Oswald enlisting help or working thru communist countries...

    How again is this NOT the WC knowingly covering up a conspiracy... infact they knowingly covered up MANY conspiracies....

    Or am I missing the point too?

  12. David, Governmental investigations and inquiries SHOULD NOT REQUIRE BELIEF - the evidence and conclusions presented SHOULD MAKE LOGICAL SENSE and be supportable.

    That YOU NEED TO BELIEVE in these reports is probably the beginning of your problems...

    We BELIEVE in G^d, we BELIEVE in concepts... We PROVE innocence/guilt with authenticated evidence... got any?

    American Politics rule #1 - Don't Believe ANYTHING until it has been officially denied

    (from one of DVP's "Gov't inquiries").....

    C. The committee believes, on the basis of the evidence available to

    it, that President John Kennedy was probably assassinated as a

    result of a conspiracy. The committee is unable to identify the other

    gunman or the extent of the conspiracy.

    1. The committee believes, on the basis of the evidence available

    to it, that the Soviet Government was not involved in the assassination

    of President Kennedy.

    2. The committee believes, on the basis of the evidence available

    to it, that the Cuban Government was not involved in the assassination

    of President Kennedy.

    3. The committee believes, on the basis of the evidence available

    to it, that anti-Castro Cuban groups, as groups, were not involved

    in the assassination of President Kennedy, but that the available

    evidence does not preclude the possibility that individual members

    may have been involved.

    4. The committee believes, on the basis of the evidence available

    to it, that the national syndicate of organized crime, as a group,

    was not involved in the assassination of President Kennedy, but

    that the available evidence does not preclude the possibility that

    individual membersmay have been involved.

    5. The Secret Service, Federal Bureau of Investigation, and

    Central Intelligence Agency, were not involved in the assassination

    of President Kennedy.

  13. Okay, Pat:

    If the SBT isn't correct, then tell us what the most reasonable explanation is to explain the wounds in both JFK & JBC, and the total lack of bullets in the body of President Kennedy?

    Key words: "Most reasonable explanation".

    I'd like to see if your explanation is more "reasonable" than the SBT.

    David, the SBT does not work because an object cannot exit at a point HIGHER than the entry, when traveling DOWNWARD at 17+ degrees

    and NOT striking any bone...

    NOt having a reasonable explanation that YOU like does not give the SBT any more validity... it simple means that YOU do not accept other explanations...

    The responsibility os on YOU david, not us... YOU claim the SBT works... yet your supporting evidence proves the opposite...

    Maybe if you took the time to make your case, instead of tautological reasoning, you'd have a SBT to defend... rather than one that trips you up each and every time you try to.

  14. I should have googled it first. From amazon reviews I've learned -relearned- it is about international bankers and the NWO. Since this was my first book, I was not yet aware of details regarding such things. I went straight from that book however to learning all about the international bankers, and ties to Nazis etc. ...from various authors. Maybe I will reread this sometime.

    Dawn

    No worries Dawn.... from the macro, people are people with their flaws.... mega wealthy "people's" flaws simply affect more "other" people.... add the desire to organize and have an overriding purpose to control and IMO, we have the core group that JFK's PEACE would have affected the most. Hrnce they had the most to both gain and lose....

    All the other players were just that... players on stages at so many levels and inter-dependencies one gets the feel;ing that we, they nor anyone actually knew what was going on...

    Peace

    DJ

  15. The evidence in this case clearly and unequivocally proves that Lee Harvey Oswald did not assassinate President Kennedy.

    The above statement by Don Jeffries is nearly as absurd as this one by the late conspiracy icon Mr. Weisberg.

    This question that I posed yesterday is worth repeating again today --

    Why do so many conspiracy theorists fight the "Oswald Did It" evidence so vigorously?

    The only possible way to make Oswald an "innocent patsy" is to either totally ignore the evidence against him (for two murders, not just one)...or for the CTers to fall back on the lame claim of "All the evidence is fake". Because the only way that Oswald can be innocent of killing both JFK & Tippit is for all of the evidence to be manufactured. And just exactly how likely is that (even in a CTer dream world)?

    Evidence that can be AUTHENTICATED does not support that conclusion David.

    Evidence that CANNOT BE AUTHENTICATED does support that conclusion.

    If you want to conclude "Oswald did it" you have to present supporting evidence which could pass the requirements a court of law would expect and demand.

    You fail to do so repeatedly... the "commissions" and "committees" which have presided over these "investigations" did not have anywhere NEAR the evidentary expectations

    even your local traffic court would expect.

    So David, as you seem to be asked in most every case and discussion... present and authenticate the evidence that the WCR used to reach its 12 conclusions, that the subsequent investigation used to reach their conclusions....

    and just present a case that is not so easily refuted by the same evidence you use to make it...

  16. The possibility also remains that those "in the know" would not be concerned even if Lee had run out into the street and hit JFK with a bat....

    the EVIDENCE was not going to show him visible in DP, the witnesses would all be "wrong" ala the GK...

    I really do not think we grasp the magnitude of arrogance related to whatever "evidence" was to be gathered that day.....

    Think about it... they REMOVED a 2 second stopping of the limo during the headshots...

    Evidence of more than a couple shots

    the FACT that men showed fake SS credentials in DP immediately afterward....

    Wouldn't you suppose that whoever was using Oswald would use these "weaknesses" to their advantage... talker, arrogant, disrupter, etc....

    and NOT be worried about the evidence....

    DJ

  17. As we watch the Zfilm, we see Moorman pan as the limo passes her (not my gif btw)

    Shouldn't we be seeing the same effect in Moorman as we expect in Zapruder? - where either the limo is in focus and the background blurred or vice versa?

    Or is the polaroid fast enough to freeze the entire image in focus?

    One would think that with as many things moving during that photo, more would be out of focus...

    like we see in the previous Moorman photo

    or in reality, they were moving v - e - r - y slowly so there was no motion to blur....

    thanks

    DJ

  18. Trask is the source for most if not all this information….

    According to the Lancer Timeline, Trask-120; Wrone-26; Zavada Study 1

    “In the morning of 11/23 the FBI view a 16mm version at KODAK….” this could EASILY be 0184…. unless you have anything related to a different 16mm showing?

    and as you said – they only had 3 rolls of 8mm… why again couldn’t 0184 be a 16mm copy of 0183 that was left at KODAK?

    Everything I have ever read says there was no break in production of 185,186,187 and 0183… and there is no explanation for the missing number…

    To continue:

    Phillips sends this note to Rowley: which suggests the film sent is an 8mm 50+ foot film including Z’s family… according to Zavada’s study… only SS copy #1/0187 meets this requirement

    SS #2/0186 – was spliced and looped…. 0183 and 0185 go to LIFE and Zapruder is not left with a copy at all?

    According to Mr. Zapruder, the position of

    the assassin was behind Mr. Zapruder.

    Note: Disregard personnel scenes

    shown on Mr. Zapruder’s film.. Mr. Zapruder

    is in custody of the "master" film. Two prints

    were given to SAIC Sorrels, this date.

    The third print is forwarded.

    Zapruder is said to have taken the original AND BEST FIRST DAY COPY home with him at 11pm 11/22.

    Let’s say 0183 and 0185 (cause 0186 was DEFINITELY the one given to the FBI and the other copies do not have the copy # on them, only the 0183 reproduction)

    0183 – the original – is taken by Stolley on the morning of 11/23

    0185 – the BEST COPY – is taken by Stolley on the afternoon of 11/25 (author cites an email from you on 5/14/10)

    ==================================

    According to Phillips’ letter to Rowley, Sorrels has 2 copies 0186 and 0187, with the THIRD PRINT FORWARDED?? Which print would THAT be?

    =====================================

    9pm 11/22 - Zap and Schwarz drive to DPD HQ, find Sorrels who then asks Zap and Schwartz that 2 COPIES BE taken to Max Philips

    Zap and Schwartz find Max, give him TWO COPIES and retains none (Zap is supposed to have 0183 AND 0185 that night already, and now also 0186 and 0187 from Sorrels to give to Max)

    If 0186 is given to Kelley in the morning… in Tink’s Six Seconds, page 311-312 Max sends 0187 to Rowley and retains 0186 to give back to Sorrels…

    Trask p120

    0186 is given to Kelley on 11/23 who in turn gives it to FBI Bookhout to Barrett to Shanklin – HOW DOES KELLEY HAVE A COPY to give to the FBI – From Max or Sorrels? When did this transfer take place?

    0187 HAS to be the copy that Philips sends to Rowley BUT THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE SECOND PRINT – NOT the THIRD PRINT

    How can Max forward THE THIRD PRINT 0187… when LIFE has 0183, Zapruder has 0185, MAX/KELLEY has 0186 11/22 while the FBI has 0186 on 11/23 FROM Kelley, and Sorrels IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE been given TWO PRINTS, this date?

    Can anyone explain that for me?

  19. btw - something many may have not known...

    One of the subjects in Tim Leary's experiments was Robert Hunter... who joined with Jerry Garcia to become the main lyricist for the band....

    ...you aint gonna learn, what you dont wanna know....

    ... if you get confused.... listen to the music play...

    Peace

    DJ

    Around 1962, Hunter was an early volunteer test subject (along with Ken Kesey) for psychedelic chemicals at Stanford University's research covertly sponsored by the CIA in their MKULTRA program.

    Thanks Martin... was sure it was at Harvard though... but Stanford makes more sense.... Whose "test program" was it at Stanford?

    From what I remember, Bear got the recipe and made it himself... lots and lots of it... there were an awful lot of underground chemists at the time...

    But I will look more deeply into it

    DJ

  20. The CIA's role in the birth of the Psychedelic Revolution is not really disputed, Ken Keasy and many of the early acid heads around San Francisco 1st tried LSD etc. when they were guinea pigs in CIA tests.

    Ken Kesey and the merry pronksters were NOTHING compared to Augustus "Bear" Owsley Stanley... he dosed more people than maybe even the CIA....

    and the Grateful Dead was the soundtrack of that Psychedelic Revolution.... Kesey simply had MONEY from the book and helped finance much of these activities....

    and finally... look around... there aint no revolution no more.... the hopes and dreams of the counter culture can now be heard in a 20 second soundbite on your iPod...

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/15/us/15stanley.html?_r=1

    In 1963, Mr. Stanley enrolled at the University of California, Berkeley. The next year, he encountered LSD, a transformative experience. “I remember the first time I took acid and walked outside,” he said in the Rolling Stone interview. “The cars were kissing the parking meters.”

    Mr. Stanley had found his calling, and at the time it was at least quasi-legitimate: LSD was not outlawed in California until 1966. What he needed to do was learn his craft, which he accomplished, as Rolling Stone reported, in three weeks in the university library, poring over chemistry journals. Soon afterward, he left college and a going concern, the Bear Research Group, was born.

    In 1965, he met Mr. Kesey, and through him the Dead. Enraptured, he became their sound man, early underwriter, principal acolyte, sometime housemate and frequent touring companion. With Bob Thomas, he designed the band’s highly recognizable skull-and-lightning-bolt logo. Mr. Stanley also made many recordings of the Dead in performance, now considered valuable documentary records of the band’s early years. Many have been released commercially.

    grateful_dead_bear2.jpg

  21. I've been informed by Gary Mack that "Horne's alteration theories are idiotic."

    That's cause he's figured out that the "Sixth Floor Museum" would be a complete oxymoron...

    Maybe a change to "The Sixth Floor Ripley's Believe It or Not museum of BS the governement wishes was true"

    Cause you know Ron... Historians write history, and the 6th Floor is about HISTORY... regardless of the accuracy, authentication or reality of what is being presented...

    DJ

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