Robin Unger

James.

I think that the two men in your image are the same man.

Robin.

Interesting pics.

Thanks

James.

Thanks for the Dillard pic

WC Testimony of James Crawford.

Mr. BALL - Where were you when you watched the President pass?

Mr. CRAWFORD - I was at that location.

Mr. BALL - Which corner of the intersection?

Mr. CRAWFORD - The southeast corner of the intersection.

Mr. BALL - Where was the Texas School Book Depository Building from where you were standing?

Mr. CRAWFORD - It would be the northwest corner of the intersection.

Mr. BALL - Directly across?

Mr. CRAWFORD - Yes; right.

Mr. BALL - Did you have a good view at that point of the south exposure of the Texas School Book Depository?

Mr. CRAWFORD - I had a very good angle.

Mr. BALL - Did you see the Presidents car pass?

Mr. CRAWFORD - I did.

Mr. BALL - And just tell me in your own words what you observed after that?

Mr. CRAWFORD - As I observed the parade, I believe there was a car leading the President's car, followed by the President's car and followed, I suppose, by the Vice Presiden't car and, in turn, by the secret Service in a yellow closed sedan. The doors of the Sedan were open. It was after the Secret Service Sedan had gone around the corner that I heard the first report and at that time I thought it was a backfire of a car but, in analyzing the situation, it could not have been a backfire of a car because it would have had to have been the President's car or some car in the cavalcade there. The second shot followed some seconds, a little time elapsed after the first one, and followed very quickly by the third one. I could not see the President's car -

Mr. BALL - At that time?

Mr. CRAWFORD - That's right; I couldn't even see the secret Service car, at least wasn't looking for it. As the report from the third shot sounded, I looked up. I had previously looked around to see if there was somebody shooting firecrackers to see if I could see a puff of smoke, and after I decided it wasn't a backfire from an automobile and as the third report sounded, I looked up and from the far east corner of the sixth floor I saw a movement. It was just barely a glimpse.

Mr. BALL - Which window?

Mr. CRAWFORD - That would be the far east window -

Mr. BALL - On the -

Mr. CRAWFORD - On the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository. I turned to Miss Mitchell and made the statement that if those were shots they came from that window. That was based mainly on the fact of the quick movement observrd in the window right at the conclusion of the report.

Mr. BALL - Could you give me any better description than just a movement? Could you use any other words to describe what you saw by way of color or size of what you saw moving?

Mr. CRAWFORD - If I were asked to describe it, I would sayhat it was a profile, somewhat from the waist up, but it was very quick movement and rather indistinct and it was very light colored. It was either light colored or it was a reflection from the sun. When the gun fas found, or when a gun was found, I asked the question if it was white, simply because if it was a gun I saw, then it was either white or it was reflecting the sn so it would appear white or light colored.

Mr. BALL - Did you see any boxes in that window?

Mr. CRAWFORD - Yes, directly behind the window, oh possibly three feet or less, there were boxes stacked up behind the window and I believe it was the only place in the building that I observed where boxes were stacked just like that.

Mr. BALL - Did you see any boxes in the window?

Mr. CRAWFORD - No, I didn't see any. There wasn't any boxes in the window.

http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/crawford.htm

WC Testimony of James Richard Worrell.

QUOTE:

Mr. SPECTER - How many shots did you hear?

Mr. WORRELL - Four.

Mr. SPECTER - Did you observe anything at about that time?

Mr. WORRELL - Yes, sir, I looked up and saw the rifle, but I would say about 6 inches of it.

Mr. SPECTER - And where did you see the rifle?

Mr. WORRELL - I'm not going - I am not too sure but I told the FBI it was either in the fifth or the sixth floor on the far corner, on the east side.

Mr. SPECTER - Now looking at the picture which we have identified as Commission Exhibit No. 360, which is where you have drawn an "X," can you indicate the line of vision which you followed to the point where the rifle was to the best of your ability to recollect?

Mr. WORRELL - Well, when I heard the first shot it was to loud to be a firecracker, I knew that, because there was quite a big boom, and I don't know, just out of nowhere, I looked up like that, just straight up.

Mr. SPECTER - Indicating you looked straight back over your head, raising your head to look over your body at the 90 degree angle?

Mr. WORRELL - Yes; and I saw it for the second time and I looked back to the motorcade.

Mr. SPECTER - What did you observe at that time?

Mr. WORRELL - I saw about 6 inches of the gun, the rifle. It had - well it had a regular long barrel but it had a long stock and you can only see maybe 4 inches of the barrel, and I could see --

Mr. SPECTER - Were you able to observe any of the stock?

Mr. WORRELL - Oh, yes.

Mr. SPECTER - How much of the stock were you able to observe?

Mr. WORRELL - Just very little, just about 2 inches.

Mr. SPECTER - How many inches of the barrel then could you observe protruding beyond the stock?

Mr. WORRELL - About 4 inches, I would say, not very much.

Mr. SPECTER - Now, at the time of the second shot were you able to observe anything at that precise instant?

Mr. WORRELL - You mean as to firing it.

Mr. SPECTER - As to anything at all. What did you see when the second shot went off?

Mr. WORRELL - Well, I looked to see where he was aiming and after the second shot and I have seen the President slumping down in the seat, and --

Mr. SPECTER - Did you see the President slump in his seat after the second shot?

Mr. WORRELL - Uh, huh. And about that --

Mr. SPECTER - Did you look up and see the rifle between the first and the second shots?

Mr. WORRELL - Yes, sir. And saw the firing on the second and then before he could get a shot I was - I took in everything but especially the car, The President's car, and saw him slumping, and I looked up again and turned around and started running and saw it fire a third time, and then --

Mr. SPECTER - When did you see it fire a third time, when you looked up, the time you just described?

Mr. WORRELL - When I was, I did it all in one motion, I looked up, turned around and ran, pivoted.

Mr. SPECTER - What did you hear, if anything, after that?

Mr. WORRELL - Just a lot of commotion, everybody was screaming and saying "duck."

Mr. SPECTER - After the third shot, did you hear a fourth shot?

Mr. WORRELL - Oh, yes. Just as I got to the corner of Exhibit 360, I heard the fourth shot.

Mr. SPECTER - Well, did these four shots come close together or how would you describe the timing in general on those?

Mr. WORRELL - Succession.

Mr. SPECTER - Were they very fast?

Mr. WORRELL - They were right in succession.

Mr. SPECTER - Now going back to the position of the rifle which you testified that you saw, you say it was either on the fifth or sixth floor?

Mr. WORRELL - Yes, sir.

Mr. SPECTER - Is there any way you can tell us which floor it was on, or would the angle of your observation permit you to be sure it was the fifth or sixth floors?

Mr. WORRELL - I am not going to say I am positive, but that one there.

Mr. SPECTER - All right, would you mark that one --

Mr. WORRELL - Because that right there, I feel, would have obstructed my vision but I said it was either on the fifth or the sixth floor.

Mr. SPECTER - Well, now, will you mark with a "Y" the window which you have just pointed to?

(At this point Chief Justice Warren departed the hearing room.)

Mr. WORRELL - A "Y?"

Mr. SPECTER - A "Y."

(Witness marking.)

Mr. SPECTER - You have marked the "Y" over two windows. Was it the window - which window was it there as best you can recollect, as between those two?

Mr. WORRELL - I didn't mean to bring it down that far but this one.

Mr. SPECTER - Would you put an arrow then at the window that you have just indicated, was the one where the rifle was protruding from?

(Witness marking.)

Mr. SPECTER - So the sum of it is you are not sure whether it was the fifth or the sixth floor, but you believe it was the floor where you have marked a "Y" which is the sixth floor and that was the line of vision as you looked straight up over your head?

Mr. WORRELL - Yes, sir.

Mr. SPECTER - Where did you run, which is what you have just described that you did next?

Mr. WORRELL - Well a better view of it is here in 360. I ran down Houston Street alongside the building and then crossed over the street, I ran alongside the building and crossed over, and in 359, I was standing over here, and I saw this man come bustling out of this door.

Mr. SPECTER - All right. Now will you put a "Z" where you first saw the man whom you have just described or mentioned?

Mr. WORRELL - It is here I am pretty sure, I am not positive.

(Witness marking.)

Mr. SPECTER - You are pretty sure - but you can't be positive - but you are pretty sure?

Mr. WORRELL - Yes.

Mr. SPECTER - Okay. Now describe as best you can the man whom you have testified you saw at point "Z."

Mr. WORRELL - Describe his appearance?

Mr. SPECTER - Yes. Start by telling us how tall he was, to the best of your ability to recollect and estimate?

Mr. WORRELL - To the - it is going to be within 3 inches, 5-7 to 5-10.

Mr. SPECTER - What is your best estimate as to his weight?

Mr. WORRELL - 155 to 165.

Mr. SPECTER - What is your best estimate as to his height?

Mr. WORRELL - 5-7, 5-10.

Mr. SPECTER - Pardon me, your best estimate as to his age.

Mr. WORRELL - Well, the way he was running, I would say he was in his late twenties or middle - I mean early thirties. Because he was fast moving on.

Mr. SPECTER - Of what race was he?

Mr. WORRELL - White.

Mr. SPECTER - Can you describe the characteristics of his hair?

Mr. WORRELL - Black.

Mr. SPECTER - Did he have --

Mr. WORRELL - Well, I will say brunette.

Mr. SPECTER - Did he have a full head of hair, a partial head of hair, or what?

Mr. WORRELL - Well, see, I didn't see his face, I just saw the back of his head and it was full in back. I don't know what the front looked like. But it was full in back.

Mr. SPECTER - What clothes did the man have on?

Mr. WORRELL - Dark, like a jacket like that.

Mr. SPECTER - Indicating a dark gray jacket?

Mr. WORRELL - No, no. It was a jacket like that.

Mr. SPECTER - A suit jacket?

Mr. WORRELL - Yes.

Mr. SPECTER - Or was it a sports jacket?

Mr. WORRELL - Sports jacket.

Mr. SPECTER - Did not have on matching coat and trousers?

Mr. WORRELL - No.

Mr. SPECTER - Was it dark in color or light?

Mr. WORRELL - It was dark in color. I don't know whether it was blue, black, or brown, but it was dark, and he had light pants. And that is all I can say on his clothes, except his coat was open and kind of flapping back in the breeze when he was running.

Mr. SPECTER - Now, are there any other distinguishing characteristics that you can describe about him?

Mr. WORRELL - Not a thing.

Mr. SPECTER - What did he --

Mr. WORRELL - He wasn't holding nothing when he was running. He was just running.

Mr. SPECTER - What did you observe him do if, anything?

Mr. WORRELL - Well, when he ran out here, he ran along the side of the Depository Building and then when he got --

Mr. SPECTER - Make a dotted line as to where he went, or take this black pencil and make a line as to where he went.

(Witness marking.)

Mr. SPECTER - Where did you see him eventually go?

Mr. WORRELL - Well, he went on further.

Mr. SPECTER - Is that the last you saw of him?

Mr. WORRELL - Yes, sir

http://jfkassassination.net/russ/m_j_russ/worrell.htm

The Reitzes article also contains a reference to the Tom Dillard photo that may show a man in the westernmost window:

The photograph taken by Tom Dillard around fifteen seconds after the

shooting captured the upper part of the Book Depository's south side.

Photographic researcher Robert Groden has made a series of enlargements

of a number of the building's windows in this picture. He has identified

two men on the sixth floor. One can be indistinctly seen in the

westernmost window (among the farthest windows from the camera); he

appears to be a heavy-set white male with a receding hairline

Perhaps James can help post the Dillard photo.

Are there any other witnesses beside the Rowlands who stated they saw someone in the west window of the TSBD?

WC Testimony of Robert Hill Jackson of the "Dallas Times Herald"

QUOTE:

Mr. SPECTER - All right. Will you now proceed to tell us what happened as you rounded the corner of Main and Houston , Please?

Mr. JACKSON - Well, as our reporter chased the film out into the street, we all looked back at him and were laughing, and it was approximately that time that we heard the first shot, and we had already rounded the corner, of course, when we heard the the first shot. We were approximately almost half a block on Houston Street.

Mr. SPECTER - Will you identify for me on Commission Exhibit 347, Precisely as possible, where your automobile was at the time you heard the first shot?

Mr. JACKSON - Approximately right here, I would say the midpoint of this building. Approximately where we heard the first report.

Mr. SPECTER - Now, will you mark a black "X" on 347 the spot where your car was at the time you heard the first shot?

Mr. JACKSON - Right here approximately. And as we heard the first shot, I believe it was Tom Dillard from the Dallas News who made some remark as to that sounding like a firecracker, and it could have been somebody else who said that. But someone else did speak up and make that comment and before he actually the sentence we heard the other two shots. Then we realized or we thought it was gunfire, and then we could not at that point see the President's car. We were still moving slowly, and after the third shot the second two shots seemed much closer together than the first shot, than they were to the first shot. Then after the last shot, I guess all of us were just looking all around and I just looked straight up ahead of me which would have been looking at the School Book Depository and I noticed two Negro men in a window straining to see directly above them, and my eyes followed right on up to the window above them and I saw the rifle, or what looked like a rifle approximately half of weapon, I guess I saw. and just looked at it, it was drawn fairly slowly back into the building, and I saw no one in the window with it. I didn't even see a form in the window.

Mr. SPECTER - What did you do next?

Mr. JACKSON - I said "There is the gun," or it came from that window. I tried to point it out. But by the time the other people looked up, of course, it was gone, and about that time, we were beginning to turn the corner.

http://jfkassassination.net/russ/m_j_russ/jackson.htm

John Powell was an inmate on the sixth floor of the Dallas County Jail in

Dealey Plaza, across the street to the southwest of the Book Depository,

at 12:30 pm on November 22, 1963. He and a number of other sixth floor

inmates watched two men in the southeast sixth floor TSBD window, one of

whom fired a rifle at President Kennedy. Powell could see the men clearly

enough to notice them "fooling with the scope" on the rifle; one had a

darker complexion than the other. Until the shooting began, Powell was

under the impression that the men were security guards. Powell's story

was available to the Warren Commission, as was his statement that a

number of other inmates could confirm it. Neither Powell nor anyone else

from the Dallas County Jail was called to testify before the Warren

Commission

According to Anthony Summers (Conspiracy, p. 43), the Warren Commission failed to follow up on a reminder that observers in the County Jail would have a perfect view of the assassination. John Powell and other inmates on the jail’s sixth floor were therefore not questioned.

Thanks to the ARRB, however, we learn that the FBI did follow up (in December 1964) on a report that inmates on the jail’s fifth floor had witnessed the assassination. The fifth floor was where the jail housed its mental cases. (Sheriff Bill Decker told the FBI as it was checking out the mental ward that a thorough investigation at the jail immediately after the assassination had located no witnesses.)

This is a passage from “The 11th Batch” on ARRB document releases, reviewed by Joseph Backes, with reference to Document # 124-10027-10235, written by the FBI’s Robert Gemberling:

On December 1, 1964 Fay Leon Blunt, Dallas, Texas, phoned the FBI at Washington, D.C. stating that 17 individuals in the Hospital Ward of the 5th floor of the Dallas County Jail had witnessed the assassination of President Kennedy on November 22, 1963; however, Blunt stated that none of these witnesses have ever been interviewed.

The following investigation was conducted by Special Agent Richard J. Burnett.

On December 14, 1964 Sheriff Bill Decker, Dallas County Sheriffs Office, Dallas, Texas advised that thorough investigation was conducted at the Dallas County Jail immediately subsequent to the assassination and no witnesses to same were located among inmates.

Chief Jailer Ernest Lloyd Holman, Dallas County Jail, Dallas, Texas, on December 14, 1964, personally escorted Special Agent Richard J. Burnett through the hospital section of the County Jail on the fifth floor where white inmates with a mental history are confined. The mental inmates are kept in a large tank type cell which has one barred double window overlooking the scene of the assassination. The view from this window would have seen the President at the time of being struck by the assassin's bullets, but the window in the Texas School Book Depository from which the shots were fired is not visible from this cell area.

The hospital section for white prisoners on the fifth floor also has another large cell area in the northwest corner, which has west windows overlooking the site of the President's car at the time of the assassination, and another window on the north side of the building which overlooks the TSBD, including the window from which the shots were fired by the assassin.

However, Chief Jailer Holman advised that this large cell area is used only on weekends by persons serving their three-day sentences for "Driving While Intoxicated" charges and is not occupied until late on Friday nights as Texas law states any part of a day constitutes a full day's credit on drunk sentences. Thus, Holman noted that persons serving such "DWI" sentences report late on Friday's night to gain credit for one full day. Holman further advised that no "DWI" prisoners were in this cell at the time of the assassination.

It is noted that the north corner jail window (which overlooks the TSBD and the window of the TSBD from which assassin's window were fired) is very dirty and is backed by an iron mesh type grid guard. The view from this particular window is very distorted and it is believed by Holman to be impossible to identify anyone from this window, including the President in his car which would have been rounding the corner of Houston onto Elm Street approaching the Triple Underpass seconds before the shooting.

Both Sheriff Decker and Holman pointed out that anyone who would have been confined in the hospital section on the fifth floor of the jail at the time of the assassination would have been a mental case and the reliability of such a person would be highly questionable. Holman noted that it would be a most difficult and time consuming task at this late date to attempt to determine just who was confined in the Hospital Ward at the time of the assassination. Furthermore, Holman pointed out that such persons, if identified, have since been either released or sent to other State mental places of incarceration.

Holman and Chief Identification Officer James H. Kitching advised that Fay Leon Blunt (complainant in this matter) is well-known to them as a person completely unreliable who has been arrested on several occasions in the past on lunacy charges. Both stated they would place no confidence whatsoever in any information furnished by him. Kitching pulled Blunt's arrest record and noted that Blunt was not incarcerated in the Dallas county Jail at the time of the assassination.

http://spot.acorn.net/jfkplace/09/fp.back_...ue/arrb_11.html

Ron

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Thanks Ron.

I had not seen that information before.

Convenient, that any wittness in that situation who came forward with information other than Gov line, could easily be labelled as a "NUTCASE" and therefore not a reliable wittness.

Herminio Diaz Garcia was born in 1923 which made him 40 at the time of the assassination. He was 5' 8", weighed 180 pounds and was described as being of stocky build.

Judging by the photo of the people milling around in front of the TSBD, the guy in question seems to be too tall and of slimish build.

James,

Fair enough, though your description of Herminio would also seem to eliminate him as the black man whom Rowland saw at the window. Rowland described the man as "very thin" and 55 or 60.

The black man in the photo appears to be holding some long white or light-colored object under his arm. Can anyone tell what it might be?

Ron

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Hello Ron!

I gave it a whirl, but the file is only 11K - not much to work with. I'd need a higher res photo to work on.

- lee

BTW - I always enjoy your posts. Many times your sense of humor hits home hard and gives me a good laugh.

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Lee/Ron

It looks as though he is carrying a sighn or billboard of some kind.

ah, John don't rely on those deathbed confessions as I've mentioned, just a set up for disappointment.  Researchers may have to rely on what's published. 

"Mrs. Paine's Garage" should be mentioned here.  It's a little book a LNer-ish book, but something strange happens in the course of telling Ruth's story.  The author admits that Michael may have more to say that he zigzagged around in first place. He saw the backyard photos in LHO apartment and mentioned something was "wierd" about LHO to a co-worker or some such.  Perhaps this book is Ruth's last jab at her husband at large, but it is compelling.  Neither may know the other in this mess, one is lead to belive.

The Paines were a nouveau couple. Like the DeMorenschildts, not at all "regular" 1950s Americans.  That is a clue to their involvement, witting or un-witting.  These "outsiders" had the exposure that perhaps made them great "insiders."

From the book you'll see that Ruth was unconventional.  She taught Russian during the cold war and wished to go to USSR. What a person to connect the returning Oswalds to.  Michael worked in military intel projects--a frustrated inventor.  Both had a deep lineage. Ruth travelled from Naushon Island (famous in its own right) to meet the next chapter in her life with Oswald. 

Later, she left Michael and travelled by sailboat on the intracoastal with her kids.  A Bohemiana to an extent.  Not a victim at all but a strong woman while Michael tries to work out his life and trade in counterculture crafts.

The book is a good glimpse at a couple that had only a part in the mission of LHO.  It is what they know.

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The Paine Garage:

Sunday 4 October 1981:

Lee Harvey Oswald's body exhumed.

QUOTE:

Lee Harvey Oswald's grave, at Rose Hill cemetary, is opened so that the body might be examined. The physicians conclude it truly is Oswald, which is contradicted by the morticians who had buried him. A counter-expertise however proved the remains to be Oswald's, confirming the physicians' conclusions.

Full Story Here:

http://jfkassassination.net/parnell/lhox1.htm

Robin,

Your site is great!

Also, that last document - humorous.  I actually went back to a College history book about a year ago - it uses the word 'alleged.'

Do you plan to ever put any of those documents up?  Great stuff.

I don't know what Oswald thought he was doing that day, but I wish we could get someone to fix the history books.  Let's take out 'alleged' and say 'not guilty.'  I would like to see a 'Guilford 4' public apology, but I'd settle for that.

Anagram

Lee Harvey Oswald = wasrevealedholy a little much, but that's one that cranked out.

- lee

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Thanks Lee.

Yeh eventually i will have another webpage with just documents in "thumnbnail" style, i have already started to work on it.

It takes quite a while to upload all that information, and then set it out in a style that is easy to navigate.

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Guys,

Extremely funny exchanges, all. You're forgetting Jack, though. Just to go one-up on his old buddy Lee, he decides to sacrifice his life and liberty in front of 40 million viewers for what--to save a person he has never met the trauma of a courtroom trial!! Those gun running, violent, gangster connected nightclub owners are really the most altruistic guys aren't they?

Robin, I tried to access your site but it said something about insufficient data space. My computer's a musuem relic which I will soon update. I'm looking forward to checking out your site. I know it'll be a beauty.

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Hi Mark.

Yeh, it's not your computer

My site has been getting hammered the last couple of days, since Tim kindly put up this post. At the moment i have a restricted bandwidth limit.

The site should usually returns again in approximately 30-minutes.

I will have to contact my server and increase my bandwith allowance, or spread my files over two websites and link them.

In the upper left hand corner, a police officer is escorting a man away.

Looks like Charles Rogers, roughly.......

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Hi Shanet.

I'm not really sure who that man is.

What do you make of this image.?

This is the description of the photo i inserted into the Moorman 5 pic, i found it in Gerhard's Exellent JFK image Galleries:

"McAULAY, Joe (Ft. Worth arrest of unknown man)"

The man has a similar hair style, his hair is short and receading on the right side of his head.

Also similar cheek bone structure and protruding chin.

http://jfkmurderphotos.bravehost.com/photos.html

Thanks Lee

Thanks for the great information, i was not aware of this guys story.

I emailed your post to Gerhard.

Thanks.

In the upper left hand corner, a police officer is escorting a man away.

Looks like Charles Rogers, roughly.......

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Hi Shanet.

I'm not really sure who that man is.

What do you make of this image.?

This is the description of the photo i inserted into the Moorman 5 pic, i found it in Gerhard's Exellent JFK image Galleries:

"McAULAY, Joe (Ft. Worth arrest of unknown man)"

The man has a similar hair style, his hair is short and receading on the right side of his head.

Also similar cheek bone structure and protruding chin.

http://jfkmurderphotos.bravehost.com/photos.html

I beleive this is a photo of John Abt (Robin Unger)

You are correct Robin. I can't post images at the moment so I will send you a shot of Abt. You may like to post it here.

Cheers,

James

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Hi James here's your John Abt pic.

I am also having trouble posting pics, i linked to this one from my website.

Greg

Thanks for bring this subject up again.  Over the past several months I have had an opportunity, with the help of this board, to rethink alot of the old information that I have gathered.

When I first read the Warren Report, over ten years ago, the Walker story was the major thing that jumped out at me.  As I have researched the General I have been surprised about how many other connections I have found while attempting to piece together a consistant case for a conspiracy.  The story of Jonathan Abt was, to say the least, a strange piece to this puzzle.  Why did the Warren Commission distort the truth about this man?

Perhaps because it could, in an indirect way, lead to the truth?

Oswald the Socialist, Abt the American Communist.  Smith Act, first used against the Socialist then against the Communist.  Backyard photgraph, one Socialist magazine and one American Communist publication, two weapons.

Was Oswald telling us something?

Jim Root

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Hi Jim.

I beleive this is a photo of John Abt

Who is this guy, being taken from the knoll.

Robin,

Your site is great!

Also, that last document - humorous.  I actually went back to a College history book about a year ago - it uses the word 'alleged.'

Do you plan to ever put any of those documents up?  Great stuff.

I don't know what Oswald thought he was doing that day, but I wish we could get someone to fix the history books.  Let's take out 'alleged' and say 'not guilty.'  I would like to see a 'Guilford 4' public apology, but I'd settle for that.

Anagram

Lee Harvey Oswald = wasrevealedholy a little much, but that's one that cranked out.

- lee

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Thanks Lee.

Yeh eventually i will have another webpage with just documents in "thumnbnail" style, i have already started to work on it.

It takes quite a while to upload all that information, and then set it out in a style that is easy to navigate.

Alan.

Something i just noticed, that freaky guy's image seems to be blended in with that of a woman who is standing just to his right.

What looks like the extension of his hat is the top of her hair.

Since I can't post photos, I may as well spell out what I am theorizing here.

Mostly hypothetical. 

Scenario:

Marilyn Sitzman's story.  If there was a black couple behind the retaining wall, and eating their lunch prior to the arrival of the motorcade, they certainly did not run off after the shots were fired, smashing coke bottles - no photo of any black couple has even been seen to my knowledge, and when I enhance that area in Nix, I see many more people than 2.  Emmett saw 'a whole bunch.'

There was no evidence of broken glass in any photos - nor any eye witness accounts - however we have an intact Coke bottle on the retaining wall.  What is the sound of a weapon firing with a silencer in 1963 - any chance someone may have a .wav file that they could attach? 

I am really starting to believe that the knoll operation went something like this:  The area was secured, most operatives were out of sight behind the retaining wall.  The motorcade began it's approach - as per radio signal, everyone took up their respective positions.  Several had radios, others had cameras.  IMO, the area had 2 shooters - one positioned behind the retaining wall, and the other in front of the fence, at the left of the stairs, at the tree, on the North side of Elm.  As per Culligan, the shooters had a team whose job was to provide protection and create a diversion as required.

I see the camera's being used for multiple reasons, which I have detailed elsewhere, but a quick summary:  Propoganda, Insurance, creation of a record, Training and Camoflauge.  The shooters are literally surrounded in a group of men with cameras.  As per the witness accounts, we know some of these men were equipped with phony SS IDs.

I haven't been able to confirm this, but I still feel it's highly likely:  All shooters were located in position where they would have a visual on DCM.  Spokes of a wheel with DCM at the center.

Hulet on Culligan [A Paper on JFK & CIA & Executive Action, The Artful Nuance, 1991], says that there was a shooter on the TOP floor of the building to the left of the TSBD - Hulet then goes on to place X's at the County Records building - I don't know about that.  I have an email into Mr. Hulet asking him how the X's were placed, as one of his x's is very close to the position of the North Peristyle - another story for another time.  On the North knoll he has the 'x' located in the area of the retaining wall - not behind the fence.

There's that facinating document, the Bray document, that Robin Unger posted, which says that a GSAP was deployed by the shooter in the TSBD, and a film was made of the actual event through the crosshairs - interesting to note the FBI re-enactment photos.

I believe a similar device may have been employed at the area near the stairs, as per some of the enhancements I have done in Muchmore - I'm willing to state right now that of course I could be totally mistaken - it's an enlarged enhancement of a very small area, and I sent it off to experts in the field of SMGs, and they said the image was too deteriorated to make any judgement calls.  But I did spend many, many, many hours searching through every semi-automatic and automatic weapon that was in existence in 1963, trying to find a match for the object -- I finally concluded that it must be a camera.  Now I am again unsure.  What about surrounding the shooter with a group of cameramen, have him hold some bizarre type sniper's weapon, with a weird looking silencer, and a GSAP mounted on top?  Sort of looks like a camera anyway?

What would have been the point of having this camera team that close to the action anyway?  Zoom lenses would have been more than sufficient, from a safe distance away.  Camoflauge is the only thing that makes sense for me.  Certainly would hide the use of a scope.

Anyway, my theory continues that yes, there was something that took place behind the fence.  There's the white smoke and plenty of it and a loud report.  Let's look at what many have believed was a 'poser' in the East Window of the TSBD.  WHY was it so important to ask how many shots were heard?  Was there really even a gun back there?  IMO, this may well have been simply a diversion, to draw the focus away from the stairs and the retaining wall.  It's been suggested that it may have been a firecracker - sounds good to me - loud noise, white smoke, etc.  There's also the story that Stone couldn't get the smoke effect he needed for JFK without the use of bellows.

I am still struggling with the idea that it's a) the man near the tree, in the grass, at the left [our left - looking from Main street] of the stairs - or it's one of the men on the stairs, for the fatal headshot.  I think that Bill Newman saw Kennedy get smacked across the Lincoln like he was hit with a baseball bat - he was hit from a shot fired from roughly 40 feet away.  I think that Charles Roberts saw this guy taking off afterwards, head ducked down, with his 'don't ask me what kind of camera it was.' 

Hugh McDonald apparently maintained that 'Saul' was positioned on the top floor of the building to the left, and across the street from the TSBD [that is DalTex - not County Records].  Part of his job was to take out the sniper in the 6th floor window.  The SS men were supposed to fire in the air [which is an amazing story given Jean Hill's comments], and then Saul would whack 'Harvey' leaving behind a nice neat little package - only, who would have believed it?  The SS were so good as to be able to hit a man in the far window on the 6th floor of an office building from a moving vehicle?

So instead, let's take our 'first' Patsy [whom is interestingly referred to by Saul as 'Harvey' - I haven't finished Armstrong's book, and don't know enough to formulate any solid opinions on that matter], and place him on the knoll instead.  I don't believe he is the shooter, but that's speculation.  He is on the knoll, and Kennedy's head has just exploded.  On comes the final shot - right to the Patsy on the knoll.  Maybe the SS men do shoot in the air at this point - Jean Hill says 6 shots were fired, as per what she heard from her position. 

Anyway, the trouble starts because, like many things that were botched that day - it's not a very good hit, and, bleeding like a stuck pig, our first Patsy makes his way to the TSBD of all places, where we lose him, along with history.  All we have are the witness accounts of pools of blood, a hunk of hairy flesh [Couch] and missing photographs of the pools - taken by a photographer from the Dallas Morning News.  Let's say that there is such an individual - he probably has ties to Cuba, and as I suggested elsewhere, maybe he's the G2 rat infiltrator, and he's been played 'Oswald style,' as part of the plan to leave behind at least one corpse with a hot trail to Castro.  I'd say that there would have to be a very good connection between this individual and LHO.  But then the supreme idiocy of Single Bullet Theory goes into operation, and the job instead is to make everyone disappear, manipulate the witnesses, omit the witnesses, play games with the medical record and the photos and films. 

Why so many men behind the retaining wall?  Same role - to protect the other shooter, who IMO, made the throat shot. 

Red Shirt man is an operative - he's either a signal man, coordinated with his partner across the street, Gin and Tonic Man, or he's got a remote controlled detonating device to stop that Lincoln at all costs, should the exercise have failed.  He jumps up and down because the target was successfully eliminated. 

The Phantom is a paint job.  Emmett Hudson's testimony supports no such person.  The young man Emmett refers to is the red shirt man/operative.  Photographic analysis says he is a phony.  What's his role?  I used to suspect that perhaps he was taking the place of 'light colored tight fitting seacap man on the stairs - they painted him in immediately, as the photo had to go out over the wire.  Then I was thinking that perhaps he was introduced to hide what was going on immediately behind him - still a good possibility.  I also thought that perhaps he was supposed to block a possible trajectory - still possible.  But now I am leaning towards their efforts at adding a figure due to their need to remove all evidence of a man struck by a bullet, fired from one of the office buildings. 

Sorry = let me close with this observation.  Take the headshot as we see it in Muchmore.  Create a window of opportunity for the shooter, based upon the location of Kennedy, in relationship to all of the other bystanders, including Jackie, Mary Moorman, Jean Hill and the Motorcycle Cops.  If you believe that it's a frontal hit to Kennedy's right temple, fired at a bit of elevation, with a rear exit - follow it back to the area of the tree and the stairs. 

Worth noting:

Testimony of Jean Hill, Warren Report:

Mrs. HILL. And so, then they took us into the police station. Just about that time Sheriff Decker came out and the man was with us and we were telling him why we were in there, why we had been in the pressroom, you know, and why they hadn't been able to find us, because they had thought that Mary had been hit and they were looking for the two women that were standing right by the car with the camera.....

Mrs. HILL. Then, he asked me I was asked did I know that a bullet struck at my feet and I said, "No; I didn't." And he said, "What do you think that dust was?" And I said, "I didn't see any dust." And I told Mark Lane that the Times Herald did run a picture in the paper of a concrete scar where a bullet had hit right where we were standing, which is evident to anybody that had an issue of the Times Herald.

Mr. Specter.

Did you see that concrete?

Mrs. Hill.

I didn't go back down there.

Mr. Specter.

Do you know whether or not a bullet did hit that concrete?

Mrs. Hill.

As I say, I saw the picture in the newspaper.

Mr. SPECTER. Aside from seeing it in the newspaper, do you know anything about that?

Mrs. HILL. No; other than what the man said he saw out of the window of the courthouse, the Secret Service man said and it struck at my feet, other than that--I don't know.

I don't have the Dallas Times Herald - but if she is referring to the concrete by the manhole cover, this is approximately [using Cutler's map] an additional 50 feet further down Elm, heading towards the underpass.

Anyway, that's where my thinking has led me to date. Tough sell all around. Not much to work with.

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Hi Lee.

Here are your pics.

Robin,  Behind wall is the 'unnamed road' that runs past the TSBD.  It contains a path that runs from near the corner of Elm and Houston to the pergola shelter.

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OK now i get it, i thought the camera position was near the south pergola, but it isn't.

It is up at the east end near the wall by the pool, directly across from the TSBD.

Robin,  Behind wall is the 'unnamed road' that runs past the TSBD.  It contains a path that runs from near the corner of Elm and Houston to the pergola shelter.

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Thanks Bernice.

No problem.

I am having trouble corrolating that image:

Does this photo below look like the position where i have marked the (X) I am only going by the path, and the fact that there is a tree overhanging to the left of the image. ? (Robin Unger)

Hi Robin,

I agree with Mike, that you have the position pretty well pegged.

James

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James/Mike

Thanks for that.

This is another image i have a hard time corrolating.

What is the wall to the right of the image, and why can't i see main st in between this camera position and elm st

I am having trouble corrolating that image:

Does this photo below look like the position where i have marked the (X) I am only going by the path, and the fact that there is a tree overhanging to the left of the image. ? (Robin Unger)

Hi Robin,

I agree with Mike, that you have the position pretty well pegged.

James

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James/Mike

Thanks for that.

This is an image that lee sent me.

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If I remember correctly, Jack White told me that Hammerman was identified by the HSCA. He worked for a store not far from there. He worked with such tools.

Denis Morissette.

Thanks Denis

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Could this so called rifle man, only be holding a hammer in his hand.

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If I remember correctly, Jack White told me that Hammerman was identified by the HSCA. He worked for a store not far from there. He worked with such tools.

Denis Morissette.

Thanks Denis