Robin Unger

Steve,

Sorry - in the margin of the Hulet report, there is a note:

We later found the correct spelling of Gen Clay to be Odom.

- lee

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search of the NARA JFK Archive.

AGENCY : HSCA

RECORD NUMBER : 180-10140-10032

RECORDS SERIES : AUDIOCASSETTES AND OTHER SOUND RECORDINGS COLLECTED BY

THE JFK...

AGENCY FILE NUMBER : 014398

DOCUMENT INFORMATION

ORIGINATOR : HSCA

FROM : FARRELL, CHRIS

TO : [No To]

TITLE : BUD CULLIGAN CASE

DATE : 09/19/1976

PAGES : 3

DOCUMENT TYPE : AUDIOCASSETTE

SUBJECTS : CULLIGAN, BUD; KENNEDY, JOHN, ASSASSINATION; FARRELL,

CHRIS; MR. X; CIA; PASTOR, BOB; RODDICK, TOM

CLASSIFICATION : UNCLASSIFIED

RESTRICTIONS : OPEN IN FULL

CURRENT STATUS : OPEN

DATE OF LAST REVIEW : 07/17/1995

COMMENTS : Tape 1: 59 mins. Tape 2: 60 mins. Tape 3: 34 mins.

http://www.archives.gov/research_room/jfk/jfk_search.html

Here is another page worth looking at...

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/P...postphotos.html

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AFFIDAVIT IN ANY FACT

THE STATE OF TEXAS

COUNTY OF DALLAS

BEFORE ME, Mary Rattan, a Notary Public in and for said County, State of Texas, on this day personally appeared M. L. Baker, Patrolman Dallas Police Department who, after being by me duly sworn, on oath deposes and says:

Friday November 22, 1963 I was riding motorcycle escort for the President of the United States. At approximately 12:30 pm I was on Houston Street and the President's car had made a left turn from Houston onto Elm Street. Just as I approached Elm Street and Houston I heard three shots. I realized those shots were rifle shots and I began to try to figure out where they came from. I decided the shots had come from the building on the northwest corner of Elm and Houston. This building is used by the Board of Education for book storage. I jumped off my motor and ran inside the building. As I entered the door I saw several people standing around. I asked these people where the stairs were. A man stepped forward and stated he was the building manager and that he would show me where the stairs were. I followed the man to the rear of the building and he said, "Let's take the elevator." The elevator was hung several floors up so we used the stairs instead. As we reached the third or fourth floor I saw a man walking away from the stairway. I called to the man and he turned around and came back toward me. The manager said, "I know that man, he works here." I then turned the man loose and went up to the top floor. The man I saw was a white man approximately 30 years old, 5'9", 165 pounds, dark hair and wearing a light brown jacket.

s/ M. L. Baker

SUBSCRIBED AND SWORN BEFORE ME THIS 22 DAY OF November A.D. 1963

/s/ Mary Rattan

Notary Public, Dallas County, Texas

http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/baker_m3.htm

QUOTE:

Robin

Your post #4 is a frame from the Dave Wiegman/NBC film and your timing of it

is correct.

The frame showing Baker running toward the TSBD is from the Couch film,

which was made 35-45 seconds after the last shot.

Gary Mack

Thanks Gary.

Thanks roger.

Very interesting photo.

Here is another page worth looking at...

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/P...postphotos.html

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Doorway of the TSBD as the first shots were fired.

You can see the people reacting to the shots, the woman puts her hand to her mouth and the man on the far west end turns around and looks at the door way just as the SS Agents did.

Lee,

Hey Robin!

Aside from the furrows in the grass...

- Strike to the sidewalk on the north side of Elm [can be seen in KOAP]

- Strike to Elm Street pavement [sparks seen by underpass witnesses]

- The strike to the concrete by the manhole cover [possibly the same as the mystery man]

I have always contended that the evidence of conspiracy can be found even more than the number of shots that hit, in the number of shots that missed.

Steve Thomas

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I agree Steve.

Every missed shot is one more bullit that they have to account for, and for the LN theory to work, they only have (3) bullits to play with.

Robin, re your above post:

Speculation, yes.  Logical?  Yes.

And, as amply noted above, there is certainly some evidentiary support for a sixth floor west-end shooter.

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Thanks Tim.

This is a frame from the hughes film provided by Lee.

It shows an unobstructed view through the trees from the sixth floor far west window.

Also Al in the first image that i posted, it is impossible to draw a trajectory line from the cops pointing finger to go back to the east window, it just won't work.

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Moorman photo.

This image was taken of the motorcycle escort just as the motorcade passed the TSBD.

Notice the south west windows and the unobstructed view through the trees.

Also, has this image been cropped to take out the view of the far south east 6th floor window. ?

Tim.

I think that it appears the same as the normal view slightly open, but i cannot be 100% sure.

When blown up that image starts to pixelate, and you can't clearly see anything with enough clarity to say for certain one way or the other.

Robin, re your above post:

Speculation, yes.  Logical?  Yes.

And, as amply noted above, there is certainly some evidentiary support for a sixth floor west-end shooter.

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Thanks Tim.

This is a frame from the hughes film provided by Lee.

It shows an unobstructed view through the trees from the sixth floor far west window.

Also Al in the first image that i posted, it is impossible to draw a trajectory line from the cops pointing finger to go back to the east window, it just won't work.

So here we are talking about a sixty foot width from the east to west window at a mark some 240 feet away into soft turf to direct the shot origin to?

What are the positives v. the negatives to the a second sixth floor shooter? What was the expectations of utilizing this over the risks of adding another team to be discovered? What was to be gained in other words?

Al

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Hi Al.

Speculation:

One advantage is that if there are two shooters they would be able to fire twice the number of shots in a given amount of time without the guy in the EAST window having to hammer the bolt. aka SBT

I also think that a shooter from the far west window had a clear view with out obstruction from the trees, his part was to get the job done and not be seen, hence the wittness statement that this guy was standing 10 ft back from thewindow.

numerous wittnesses have said that they heard an echo when the shots were fired, like a BANG followed by a BANG.

This may be two shooters shooting simultaniously.

As for the guy in the east window his job was to fire the shots ,AND BE SEEN DOING IT in order to set up the patsy

Hey Robin!

Aside from the furrows in the grass...

- Strike to the sidewalk on the north side of Elm [can be seen in KOAP]

- Strike to Elm Street pavement [sparks seen by underpass witnesses]

- The strike to the concrete by the manhole cover [possibly the same as the mystery man]

- The mystery man .45 in the grass

- The Tague curb shot

The nick in the curb before the qick patch up job got underway.

You have to look very hard when viewing the wc exibit of this piece of curb, to even be able see this nick after it was patched up.

Of course, they weren't trying to hide anything.

Hi Shanet.

I do remember reading a story about liggett some months back it was on a forum which was for "Embalmers"

They would disscuss there jobs and the tricks of the trade..

There was an interesting discussion on there which related to ligget , when i tried to access the site a couple of weeks later it had dissapeared.

I don't remember much about the conversation, they said how he was the best at his trade and a very dangerous individual.

To save everyone time,  the officer in question is J.D. Foster.  Foster was one

of the to officers stationed on top of the overpass and ran down from that position onto the "infield" between the two streets.

Foster did report on what was observed down in that area and describes calling

for the CSI unit to make a check.  The unit apparently did as there is

at least one surviving photo from that area showing a view back twoards

the TSBD with what appears to be a forensics kit in the foreground,  however I don't know of anyone who has managed to trace any report on their findings or observations (makes one recal the list made of the individuals in  the Texas Theatre at the time of Oswald's capture).  I put the photo on page 506 of November Patriots. 

Those interested should check Fosters statements plus those of the Hartman's,  a married couple who described a track through the ground/grass.  I talked with Mr. Hartman's son a few years ago and he related that his father was totally convinced that there had been a bullet strike in the area.

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Thanks Larry.

That saved me a lot of time searching the archives.

According to Gerry Hemming the shooter in the TSBD was firing from the west end window of the sixth floor of the TSBD.  According to the Twyman interview with Ray Hargraves in Larry's "Someone Would Have Talked" Hargraves, who like Hemmings was a consultant to Stone on "JFK" both Hargraves and Hemming tried unsuccessfully to have Stone show a shot from that window.

A good photo, Robin!

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Thanks Tim.

The more i think about this west window shooter, the more i am starting to convince myself, that there may be some substance to the idea.

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The Dillard photograph is interesting in regards to this. Dillard was in

camera car three as he took the picture,onlythree seconds after the last

shot. in this one picture you can see which windows were open,& which

were closed at that time.

The photo was then enlarged,& severly cropped by the W/C. the negative

along with enhancement portions, leading to the west side of the building

simply vanished.

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Steven.

Yes you are correct, IMO the Dillard image was intentionally cropped to obscure the view of the windows on the west side.

Arnold Rowland.

In his WC and FBI statements, he says that he saw a man in the far west window on the sixth floor at 12:15 pm standing about 10 feet back from the window holding a high powered rifle with a scope attached.

http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk...Vol12_0005a.htm

Before I published Hemming's statement in the newspaper, Larry Hancock was kind enough to review Dealey Plaza and motorcade photographs and he told me that a trajectory from the 6th floor west end window did make sense.  He also advised me of the photo you posted here, of a police officer pointing to the west window immediately after the shots.

So I believe Gerry might be correct about some of the shots coming from that window.

Thanks for your contributions, Robin!

Is it too much to hope that someone can identify the officer?

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Thanks for the comments Tim.

I will try and identify the cops.

http://www.geocities.com/quaneeri3/6526.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/quaneeri3/murray118.jpg

Robin,

Unless the fenceline was different in 1963, something is not quite right

Best view I could find.

- lee

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http://www.geocities.com/quaneeri3/bench.jpg

The old steam pipe near the underpass.

http://www.geocities.com/quaneeri3/steampipe.jpg

Robin kindly offered to host this animated gif I created on his website - thanks Robin!

http://us.share.geocities.com/quaneeri3/hughes_window.gif

It's a [slightly] stabilized animation of frames taken from Hughes of the TSBD.  I believe I dropped the blurred ones - no enhancement. 

IMO, it seems as if we've got a lens moving in the 5th floor window.  Fits in neatly with the letter.

An enhanced version below.

- lee

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The site i hosted Lee's gif on seems to be blocking access to it, they are having Bandwidth problems.

The gif is approx 1.7MB and there have been to many downloads.

Sorry if you cannot gain access.

This is one of the frames from Lee's gif.

The Animated gif appears to show this object moving around inside this 5th floor window.

According to Gerry Hemming the shooter in the TSBD was firing from the west end window of the sixth floor of the TSBD.  According to the Twyman interview with Ray Hargraves in Larry's "Someone Would Have Talked" Hargraves, who like Hemmings was a consultant to Stone on "JFK" both Hargraves and Hemming tried unsuccessfully to have Stone show a shot from that window.

A good photo, Robin!

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Thanks Tim.

The more i think about this west window shooter, the more i am starting to convince myself, that there may be some substance to the idea.

Why is this cop pointing to the west side of the TSBD in relation the the furrow made in the grass by a bullit strike.

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Were the furrows in the grass made by shots coming from the area near the grassy knoll.

http://www.geocities.com/quaneeri3/babushkagrass.jpg

Why is this cop pointing to the west side of the TSBD in relation the the furrow made in the grass by a bullit strike.

Robin, once again NIX versus MOORMAN.

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Hi Shanet.

This is a " tight crop " of the Large Moorman image prvided by Craig Lamson.

Enhanced version, saturation removed, contrast and tone adjusted, noise added at 10%, gaussian blur at 1 pixel.  Comparison is crop from 'Moorman with Thumprint' -- no enhancement.  Sorry if it comes out really small.

I believe I was told before that this is Bill Newman.  Bill Newman appears to have on a patterned shirt, and his sleeves aren't rolled up - as per Cancellare, for example.

- lee

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Mr. Forman, could you please explain the the processing you are using on these images?

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Craig,

Call me 'Lee.'

I use a variety of techniques, and many times a combination of programs, but I can give you an example. To penetrate the tint, for example, using ArcSoft PhotoImpression 2000 on a Muchmore frame:

a. I take an image, and first use an equilization feature.

b. Then I remove saturation.

c. Following this, I place the image into a negative mode.

d. Focusing on the target area, I adjust the tone in the photo, focusing primarily on the midtones.

e. Then I reverse the negative. Again, I adjust the tone - mainly the midtones, but I play around with the highlight and shadow if it buys me anything.

f. Then I apply blur, which is required when working with JPEGs, due to the 'blockiness' which comes as a result of the compression.

Here's a Muchmore frame as an example, using the steps above. The 'cameramen' were plainly set up on the stairs. They were removed from the official record. More on why at another time.

Adobe photoshop is much more powerful, however, and I go through a different routine. Usually I use Adobe for the first few steps, then hand it off to PhotoImpression. I've worked with an interpolator program also, but the files get too large to work with - one reason I just upgraded to a new machine.

If I could lay my hands on original film stock - I wouldn't bother with most of these steps, I'd spend more time on calibrating the scanner.

- lee

Thanks Lee for your explaination. But with all due respect, doing this kind of work with webs jpg's amd scans from books with a halftone screen, is IMO fruitless. The artifact left behind by jpg compression, let alone the original image processing by whom ever made the scan in the first place, destroy any chance of finding additional information in these images.

I have posted on my web photo gallery a crop of the Thompson Moorman. The image I have posted is from the drum scan we had made of the copy negative. It is posted exactly as it came off the drum scanner, with no levels or curves adjustment nor any sharpening. The negative was scanned to film grain level and its a 137mb 8 bit tiff file. The crop I am posting has been saved from the original tif as a png file, which is a lossless compression format. There are no artifacts in this file. To save this file to your system from my web gallery, do a copy on the full image, create a new document in photoshop and paste the copy into this new doc.

Give this a try and see what you come up with.

http://www.pbase.com/infocusinc/image/40804897

I'm only going to leave this image up for a few days, so if you want it, please get it soon.

Thanks Craig.

Exellent enlargement of Moorman 5 now i will have a good look at it.

I left a message in your guestbook.

Robin,

You might be interested in this:

Steve Thomas

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Thanks Steve.

That is very interesting.

Oswalds hand gun came from "Seaport traders" in Los Angeles.

Document: CIA Plots to Kill Castro

This document, "CIA Inspector General's Report on Plots to Assassinate Fidel Castro," was approved for release in 1993 under the CIA Historical Review Program. The report describes the various capers the CIA engaged in during their attempts to "eliminate" Fidel Castro. From shellfish toxin to exploding conch shell, almost every spy-vs.-spy gag imaginable was considered by the CIA.

Robin,

Interesting that your photo shows only three fully opened windows.  Presumably the windows were normally closed.  By any chance are there any earlier photos of the TSBD on the 22nd that would show when the sixth floor windows were opened? Or at least would show that they were closed at some earlier time?

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Tim.

I am still looking for that image.

As to the question of who would want Connally dead: