John Dolva

There is a film of the Oswald shooting where this mans face is stationary and his expression doesn't change while around him most people are reacting to Ruby shooting oswald. (This means that when stacking these images on top of each other at 99 % transparency, the pixellation is 'washed out' and those things that remain the same such as true facial features remain.) He is a tall man who waits in the Basement as Oswald is led through and then swings in behind Oswald and is in that location while Ruby shoots Oswald and is arrested. There is a reason why I think it is worthwhile knowing who he is. I'd prefer knowing who he is prior to mentioning the other matters. So, any more ideas on ID?

hmmm.. interesting. I don't know who it is. My guess is FBI and amongst them, Hosty. But the bradley photo I looked at was an older one, so maybe, however in context I don't know. I'm not being obscure for any silly reasons. I thought the less suggestion on my part, ,more likely to have a meaningful ID. I don't know if that reasoning is right. I'll give whole pic shortly, with explanation re why I'm curious about him.

How much is the bounty $........ ? Ahh...George...surely fame's enough? I thought if I didn't give any hints, the ID might mean more.

ID anyone?

Stockholm: Stephen, I was sleeping, just shy of 5 years old. I remember feeling a sense that Kennedy was a good man. At some time the following day, I remember seeing the news reports. Mostly I remember seeing people crying in Dealey Plaza and at the Hospital. Later, I remember the furneral. When the WC report came out, my education in what some of the amazing things bullets can do was under way. I studied the diagrams and reacted with 'doesn't make sense' followed by 'well, if they say so...'. RFK, and MLK followed. I retained a diminishing hope until Chappaquiddic, when that hope went, and with it the interest. The sense that the US may have something to offer the world in spite of Vietnam and Civil Unrights faded quickly. Some of that hope and interest was rekindled after buying a DVD of JFK and seeing some of that footage again, this time with an explanation that made some sense. I realised that reason as well as Kennedy had been assassinated, but that truth and hope, in time, has a way of percolating to the surface. This forum and some of the participatory posting irrespective of where on the political spectrum the posters may be, goes a long way towards restoring that faith.

_________________________________________________ Hi James, From the way that newspaper article is written, it sounds like Hicks claimed to know that the hole wasn't in the sign before the shooting. I wonder how he possibly could have known that? I don't suppose he was an official "traffic sign inspector??" BTW, I've never been able to discern a radio in Hick's back pocket either! I guess we need one of our resident "photo enhancers" to do a little enhancing of that photo for us!! FWIW, Thomas _________________________________________________ I've been looking at that and can see no radio. Centered above each pocket is a dark spot, this may be a buttons or those strips of cloth that belts are slipped through. I can imagine that on a grainy photo enhanced in particular ways it could be taken as antennae. The overall size/location of this slight colour /shade difference would make it like dimensions of a flat modern cell phone, not what I'd imagine 60s hand held radio.

Lee, Richard Carrs testimony may be relevant to this post. R.R. Carr is quite specific about shots from the fence area. In his Shaw testimony it is clear that he marks this and a missed shot on a diagram. I don't know if this diagram is available, but here is a link to his testimony.: R.R. Carr: Clay Shaw trial testimony: http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/garr...l/pdf/Feb19.pdf

Carrs description of where the shots came from are quite specific and in the testimony refers to maps etc that are marked. I can't find these maps. Is it known if they are available? R.R. Carr: Clay Shaw trial testimony: http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/garr...l/pdf/Feb19.pdf Biography: http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKcarrR.htm (Ranger history http://www.ranger.org/rangerHistoryWorldWarIIBattalions.html The name RANGER was selected by General Truscott "because the name Commandos rightfully belonged to the British, and we sought a name more typically American. It was therefore fit that the organization that was destined to be the first of the American Ground Forces to battle Germans on the European continent should be called Rangers in compliment to those in American history who exemplified the high standards of courage, initiative, determination and ruggedness, fighting ability and achievement." The Fifth Ranger Battalion activated September 1, 1943 at Camp Forrest,(Tennesee) commanded by Lt. Colonel Max Schneider, former exec officer of the 4th Ranger Battalion, was part of the provisional Ranger Assault Force commanded by Colonel Rudder. During the terrible fighting at Anzio and at the town of Cisterna di Littoria, the Fourth Ranger Battalion was literally cut to pieces while trying to hold the line against a vastly superior number of Germans. Members of the fifth were used as replacements.)

There's also the 'whatsisname' v 'whatsisname'* which states that copies of originals (if the original exists?) cannot be regarded as anything but hearsay, so any conclusions drawn from that is built on hearsay evidence. However, Tim, all that aside, if that is all the 'proof' that Reagan had a brain, the case is on shaky grounds. I think I read somewhere a post by you about an assassination attempt on Reagan, anything on that? One thing that seems clear is that Reagan toed the right wing line, hence was more likey to have his faults glossed over by a sympathetic media.. *don't ask, I have no idea.

That's cool, Mark. I spat my dummy there. I get a little bit annoyed sometimes in looking at post after post marked as 'not read' only to find them not worth reading as they are one line personal stuff. My inclination then becomes to ignore or use the 'mark as read' button on front page, which is a pity because amongst it all are posts well worth reading. (Terry, I was going to use something like 'equanimity', but life is after all just that) I'm actually interested in much of this, much could possibly be put in one post and left at that. The bickering part of it doesnt add anything of value , it's more like the kind of impersonal stuff from ananymous chat rooms, the difference being here that its not really anonymous. I suppose its an accuired skill not to 'bite'. I've done a bit of it myself, so can't really judge.

These three witnesses. HD Holmes: no photo (there is one apparently in the newly published Ian Griggs book, but it hasn't been scanned and posted yet as far as I know) 58 yo, postal Inspector, FBI informant, pally with DPD. Fifth floor office south east corner Poastal Annex. Describes headshot vividly, sees no Knoll activity. Price : photo, 62 yo, Building engineer, post office. Roof of postal annexe above Harry's office, saw Knoll activity. Carr : photo (not sure of date) age? (was soldier in second world war) Steel worker, 6th (?) floor partially built building next to post office. Did not testify in WC, testified in Shaw trial. Death threats and attempts. Not found by the time of HSCA. Saw a lot of pre post activity of interest. Another witness of interest (Fay Leon Blunt) that seems to have disappeared, may have been recounting other witness statements re fifth floor jail, focusses on post office roof) EDIT:: the following seems to be the total of Carrs testimonies. He reposrts seeing grass kicked up by a bullet strike which is rather remarkable at 100+ meters. (One version of his bio records attempts on his life including where he survives by killing one of his attackers.) +Other witness statement from that side of things. http://www.acorn.net/jfkplace/03/JA/DR/.dr13.html : "John Powell was an inmate on the sixth floor of the Dallas County Jail in Dealey Plaza, across the street to the southwest of the Book Depository, at 12:30 pm on November 22, 1963. He and a number of other sixth floor inmates watched two men in the southeast sixth floor TSBD window, one of whom fired a rifle at President Kennedy. Powell could see the men clearly enough to notice them "fooling with the scope" on the rifle; one had a darker complexion than the other. Until the shooting began, Powell was under the impression that the men were security guards. Powell's story was available to the Warren Commission, as was his statement that a number of other inmates could confirm it. Neither Powell nor anyone else from the Dallas County Jail was called to testify before the Warren Commission." "Richard Randolph Carr, a steelworker watching the motorcade from the seventh floor of the courthouse across the street from the Book Depository, saw a heavy-set man wearing a hat, a tan sport coat, and horn-rimmed glasses looking out of a window on an upper floor of the Book Depository. This is the same man Carolyn Walther saw wearing a brown sport jacket on the sixth floor of the TSBD. Soon after the assassination, Carr saw the man hurrying south from the Book Depository on Houston Street, then east on Commerce, where he got into a Nash Rambler station wagon with a luggage rack on top and Texas license plates, parked on the corner of Commerce and Record. A dark-complected man was waiting for him in the driver's seat of the Rambler. The man in the brown sports jacket got in the passenger side, and the Rambler headed north on Houston. The FBI interviewed Carr on January 4, 1964. The Warren Commission did not call him as a witness nor mention him in any of their published evidence." ________ http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/hsca...DealeyPlaza.pdf pp 8, 9, 22, 27 : (scanned "III. ACCOUNTS OF PERSONS FLEEING FROM THE TEXAS SCHOOL BOOK DEPOSITORY (34) Richard Randolph Carr stated to the FBI on January 4, 1964, that he saw a man looking out of a window on the top floor of the depository a few minutes before Carr heard shots. (99) He described the man as white, wearing a hat, tan sportcoat and glasses. (100) He said that at the time of the motorcade, he was standing on about the, sixth floor of the new courthouse which was under construction at Houston and Commerce Streets. (101) Carr said that from that spot he could only see the top floor and roof of the depository building. (102) It was from that location that he observed the man in the depository window. (103) Carr said that after the shots he was going toward the direction of the triple underpass ; when he got to the intersection of Houston and Commerce Streets, he saw a man whom he believed to be the same individual he had seen in the window of the depository . (35) Carr was not called to testify before the Warren Commission. He did testify on February 19, 1969, in the Parish County Criminal District Court in New Orleans in State of Louisiana v. Clay L. Shaw, a case involving charges of conspiring to assassinate President Kennedy. According to the transcript of his testimony, Carr stated that he saw the man in the fifth floor window of the Texas School Book Depository . (105) He said he later saw the man going down Houston Street ; turning at Commerce Street .(106) Carr also described the hat. worn by the man as felt and said his glasses were heavy-rimmed with heavy ear pieces. (107) He had on a tie and a tan sportcoat. (108) As the man ran, he was continually looking over his shoulder as though he was being followed. (109) (36) During his testimony at the Clay Shaw trial, Carr also reported seeing men in Dealey Plaza at the time of the assassination who were not mentioned in the report of his FBI interview in January 1964. Carr was asked during the Shaw trial if he noticed any movement after the shots which seemed "unusual ." (110) Carr then said that he saw a Rambler station wagon with a rack on top parked on the wrong side of the street, heading north and facing in the direction of the railroad tracks, next to the depository. (111) (37) Carr said that immediately after the shots he saw three men emerge from behind the depository and enter the station wagon. (112) He gave a description of one of them : he was "real dark-complected" and appeared to be Spanish or Cuban ; he drove the car away, going north on Houston Street . (113) (38) During the Shaw trial testimony, Carr said he had reported this information to law enforcement officers and that someone had told him not to repeat this information. (11.x) At that point, defense counsel objected to hearsay by Carr, and no further details were elicited about the reported coercion of Carr, other than his statement that he did what the FBI told him to do, "I shut my mouth." (115) (39) Committee investigators did not locate Richard Carr to discuss this information with him. ( (120) When Richard Randolph Carr testified in the Kennedy assassination conspiracy trial of Clay Shaw in New Orleans on February 19, 1969, he=that heard a shot and then three more shots in succession at the time of the assassination. (341) When asked if he could tell where the shots came from, Carr replied that "the last three" came from behind the picket fence located at the top of the grassy knoll, and that one of the shots "knocked a bunch of grass up" ; he could tell by the way the grass was "knocked up" that the bullet came from that area. (W) Trying further to pin down the supposed location of the shots he heard, Carr stated that the sound came from the end of the cement arcade at the top of the knoll which was closest to the underpass. (31,3) When asked if he could determine from the direction in which the bullet hit the ground which direction it was traveling in, Carr said that if the bullet had continued, it would have gone from the area of the picket fence in the direction of the Criminal Courts building. (34.4) (99) FBI interview of Richard Randolph Carr by SA John T. Kesler and Vernon Mitchem, FBI report, Jan. 14,1964, file no. DL 100-10461."

Hi Richard. In some ways Carrs testinony is curious as he (as well as Price and Harry Holmes) were in pretty good positions to observe the assassination. Possibly Carr more so as his view was almost exactly side on and the Limousine had reached an area where no witnesses obscured the view. His pre and post shot descriptions are quite detailed, however, there seem to be little actual descriptions of the moment of the headshot.

In order to correctly locate items in Mary Kellys room here is an attempt at reconstruction. In this instance the bed. I wonder if there are in existence detailed descriptions of the room? Has anyone found relevant period photo's of bedroom furniture. I assume that the bed is victorian era. I wonder what type of wood makes up the bed head? Under the mattresses (standard sizes??) the slat spacing seem to indicate perhaps a few cold winters. Is the tin bath a prop to keep bed up or is it free? Were measurements taken of the scene? What is the best quality highest resolution available (on the net) exterior photo showing windows?

Well done folks! 10..that's about a record for contiguous irrelevant posts all in arow. More please. Who knows, maybe the assassins will fess up out of sheer boredom...

Tim, absolutely. ----------------------------------- http://bastardsinc.blogs.com/bastardsinc/2...wlisle_com.html .45 Delisle Commando Carbine Developed by the Brits in WW2, the Delisle Commando Carbine weapon was designed to be a sentry killer. Essentially a silent rifle, it used the sub-sonic .45 ACP pistol round, and a large suppressor to virtually eliminate the sound of the weapon. Purpose designed, only 130 examples were made. The design has been copied numerous times, and the weapon on the left is DVC Armaments modern version of the old warhorse. Specifications (old) Cartridge: .45 ACP Length : 960mm (37.80in) Weight: 3.70kg (8lb 2oz) Barrel Length: 210mm (8.27in) Rifleing: 4 grooves lh Feed: 8 round removable box magazine In production: 1942-1945 Markings:Maker, date and SHT LE on right side of stock band Safety:Manual safety catch on left of action. Press forward to fire and rearward for safe The remake of the Delisle is known as the 45 Terminator, and rightly so. DVC Armaments have created a fine piece of weaponry, and the carbine is also available in numerous other pistol calibres, namely 40 S&W, 10mm Auto, 9mm Parabellum and .38 Super. Accuracy wouldn't be a factor, as the weapon could be modified to accept laser sighting systems, with range easily achievable out to 100 metres. And face it, when you take that sentry down you are probably going to be a little closer than that. I believe that the HK MP5SD is probably the better weapon, but hey, this thing looks so damn COOL! Nice cat remover, don't you think? Tuesday, June 29, 2004 in Shooting Stuff | Permalink TrackBack TrackBack URL for this entry: http://www.typepad.com/t/trackback/873495 Listed below are links to weblogs that reference .45 Delisle Commando Carbine: _______________________________________________________________________ GPH _______________________________ Looking at this and other posts it seems the technology for reasonably accurate silenced guns (could this terminator be classified as some kind of Pistol?) was not lacking in 63. Up to 300 feet in this instance. I assume the accuracy starts to decrease before 100 meters? _____________________________ based on the following I think I can say with reasonable certainty that the edge of the brickwork on the window opening is 3 1/2 bricks plus mortar x 4, say about < 2"?

DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD Jesse C. Price of Dallas, a post Office building engineer in hat and overalls, was on the roof of the Post office on the north east corner of the building. Richard Randolph Carr, a steelworker on the partially built court house east of Price across houston street, was on the fifth, sixth or seventh floor of this building. This places Carr on about the same level as Price. Carrs witness statement describes seeing a man wearing a tan coat and horn rimmed glasses on the fifth or sixth floor of the TSBD building. As can be seen from the image with insets this view was very restricted if not impossible. As he was at least 300+ feet away from the TSBD building he would have to have been using oculars to see such details. "Richard Randolph Carr stated to the FBI on January 4, 1964, that he saw a man looking out of a window on the top floor of the depository a few minutes before Carr heard shots.(99) He described the man as white, wearing a hat, tan sport coat and glasses.(100) He said that at the time of the motorcade, he was standing on about the sixth floor of the new courthouse which was under construction at Houston and Commerce Streets.(101) Carr said that from that spot he could only see the top floor and roof of the depository building.(102) It was from that location that he observed the man in the depository window.(103) Carr said that after the shots he was going toward the direction of the triple underpass; when he got to the intersection of Houston and Commerce Streets, he saw a man whom he believed to be the same individual he had seen in the window of the depository.(104) "(35) Carr was not called to testify before the Warren Commission. He did testify on February 19, 1969 in the Parish County Criminal District Court in New Orleans in State of Louisiana v. Clay L. Shaw, a case involving charges of conspiring to assassinate President Kennedy. According to the transcript of his testimony, Carr stated that he saw the man in the fifth floor window of the Texas School Book Depository.(105) He said he later saw the man going down Houston Street; turning at Commerce Street.(106) Carr also described the hat worn by the man as felt and said his glasses were heavy-rimmed with heavy ear pieces.(107) He had on a tie and a tan sport coat.(108) [*PAGE 9 FOLLOWS*] As the man ran, he was continually looking over his shoulder as though he was being followed.(109) (36) During his testimony at the Clay Shaw trial, Carr also reported seeing men in Dealey Plaza at the time of the assassination who were not mentioned in the report of his FBI interview in January 1964. Carr was asked during the Shaw trial if he noticed any movement after the shots which seemed "unusual."(110) Carr then said that he saw a Rambler station wagon with a rack on top parked on the wrong side of the street, heading north and facing in the direction of the railroad tracks, next to the depository.(111) (37) Carr said that immediately after the shots he saw three men emerge from behind the depository and enter the station wagon.(112) He gave a description of one of them: he was "real dark-complected" and appeared to be Spanish or Cuban; he drove the car away, going north on Houston Street.(113) (38) During the Shaw trial testimony, Carr said he had reported this information to law enforcement officers and that someone had told him not to repeat this information.(114) At that point, defense counsel objected to hearsay by carr, and no further details were elicited about the reported coercion of Carr, other than his statement that he did what the FBI told him to do, "I shut my mouth."(115) (39) Committee investigators did not locate Richard Carr to discuss this information with him." Anyway, despite some discrepancies and conflicts. Carr's testimonie/s are regarded as being supportive of Richard Craig. Both Richard and Carr suffered attempts on their lives. I'm not aware of attempts on Price. A difference between Price and Carr is that Carr was not called on to testify to the WC. I don't know what to make of these testimonies but am starting this thread for future references, Any additional info, links etc appreciated. Does anyone have a confirmation on the photo of Carr being from around 63?

Gerry:: ------------------------------ However strange it might seem to those who have never served, whether by age, infirmity, or by design: as seems to be the case with "Chains" Cheney and most of the White House lackeys -- the business of the military is not "going on parade"!! It is their business to commit frequent homicides and "break things". We Marines and ex-SFers are now facing the stark reality that: "this job is never finished" !! Moreover, we have to suffer the mixed fear and pride, when it is that: NOW our sons and daughters, members of extended family and close friends, are having to "ship out/deploy" to hostile environments -- where they must kill and face death on a daily basis. We Marines are very fortunate in that: From the first moment after "debarking/un-assing" from those chartered buses inside the Recruit Depots -- we were faced with a small, but very fierce cadre of NCOs, who immediately dedicated themselves to destroying ALL remnants of any previous "silly-villian" attitudes and behaviors. You quickly learned that ALL of that which you have previously experienced -- had by your "Mommy" been taught, was as worthless as dog xxxx !! One of the first "allegories" phrased by these seemingly evil Drill Instructors is: "....The only thing lower and more worthless than a civilian is a Navy cook..!!" Oftentimes the realization that this complete destruction of your civilian psyche, followed by the rebuilding of boys and girls into male and female "killing machines" is life-saving -- only comes upon one's first "taste" of combat. What a shock it is -- even despite ALL of the hard training, suffering of privations, and extreme hazards, whilst with a short distance their are fat boys and girls scoffing up their "Big Macs", "Super-sized" fries and shakes/sodas. And what are the near and distant plans being discussed during these "Miss Piggy Chow- Downs" -- critical matters; such as do they first get laid, or smoke a joint -- Nawhh! Let's order more food before we decide. NOW !! All of a sudden, some dude or bitch is shooting at you -- and I mean like they actually want to cause you great and grievious harm !! Don't they realize what a nice person you are ??!! How can it be that this total stranger, who you have never even thought ill of -- now intends to do you some serious hurt ??!! Don't ever expect that one's son or daughter is going to return from a combat deployment acting like that sweet young person who shortly before -- left home and hearth. They won't talk about the recent past, save for some humorous incidents; and they sure as hell won't gravitate towards anything which smacks of silly civilian bullxxxx ideals or attitudes. Some may give it a short try, but only until they once again congregate with fellow veterans of these horrors, will they even think about discussing vague events. Absent those contacts, they will tend to withdraw unto themselves !! Many who have watched the movie "A Few Good Men" failed to realize that "Code Reds" are usually left behind at Boot Camp. Elite units never "dry shave & shower" or "Code Red" a member, but instead immediately "blackball" him/her -- and they are soon gone to a different M.O.S. in a distant unit. Why is that, you say ?! First, because any repeated "failure-to-perform", disqualifies said individual almost without other recourse. Second, and most important -- try that on a veteran Marine, one who is long gone [months, NOT years] from the old boot camp days -- they would KILL immediately [if not sooner] any asshole who ever laid a hand upon their person outside of a training cycle !! While oftentimes we carried unloaded weapons, we ALWAYS carried a bayonet and a "K-Bar" [uSMC issued fighting/utility knife] -- which is a small "Bowie" type, bladed instrument of death -- and a much preferred instrument to boot !! The only "crime" exhibited throughout said "Hollywood" [bull xxxx] spectacular was -- Once again, THE COVER-UP !! Moreover, the J.A.G. Manual provides that whenever a "Field Grade" officer is to be called on "Direct" or "Cross" -- a "standby" counsel will be appointed to question said Colonel, and the questioner will be of at least equivalent rank, or one lower grade only !! NOT some snot-nosed Tom Cruise USN Lt. or Lt. Jg. !! However, the Jack Nicholson character did display, and expound upon -- the accepted and encouraged modicum of attitude/behavior expected of all members of the Combat Arms !! Like it or Lump it -- or better yet; sign up with an NGO and get your punk asses over to the "Sand Box" before overloading your "Canary Asses with your Alligator Moufies" !! CHAIRS, GPH ___________________________ Gerry, I think I get your point here. I'd certainly would have to defer to people like yourself and Tom on these matters. My personal pacifict inclinations that include such things as a total rejection of death penalty, and an acceptance of concepts of redemption and forgiveness, and other matters, combined with growing up in Sweden contributes to my overall neutral defense orientation re. armed conflict. My reference to the 'few good men' was in relation to separation of the professional soldier (perhaps better referred to in htis context as the experienced soldier, and the general population. My understanding from what you and Tom is saying is that this separation is a natural product of the experience of becoming a soldier. I guess I'm urging that this separation is not reinforced organisationally, officially, but provided with opportunity to break down, so that avenues always are available for cross 'cultural' exchange. Naturally, some would be unwilling to participate, but that's their choice. However, the choice to participate should be encouraged. The 'you can't handle the truth' mentality of the character in the movie, seems to indicate a separation that if a product of policy, would serve to limit access by the general citizenry to the military IF the situation ever arose whereby the military was about to be used against the citizenry in such a situation as tienanmin square. I wonder to what extent such would have been a factor in Kent state for example. Were the nat. guard there selected from out of state? Or were they the 'neighbours' of the shot students?

Stewart, Like I said , I'm very much a newbie, so expect some stupid sounding questions at times. Just by the 'sound' of it the 'new' letter seems a hoax. You state with certainty it is a hoax. It would be good to see what reasons there are for this? If it's too much to go into, perhaps a link to appropriate discussion or essay? The letter I talk about re the 'Levy' post is from a pdf file from "Learning Curve Education Service workshops".It's the one with the coffin shapes and knife shape. Of the coffin shapes , the one referred to in my post is the one at the bottom of this letter. When down loading the pdf I didn't note the website I found it on. The header image of the 'learnong curve' organisation is remeniscent of the look of the 'casefile' site, so it may be from there. The image of the head board is the top left portion of the head board from a high resolution photo from the 'casebook' forums. Regards, John

LOL, tsk tsk Tim, who dunnit? the Butler of course!

JHC, Tim, stop calling me Mr. Kelly, I keep snaping to attention. I don't think you were baiting me now, it just so happens that I have a lot of information on this line of inquiry, re: Ian Fleming and company. While I have spent a considerable amount of time lining up Fleming's fictional characters with their real life counterparts, I have yet to get to Mr. Hammerstein. Maybe we can cut to the chase and see if there are any real researchers on this forum who can narrow it down a little bit. If his real life counterpart was the head of Batista's counter-intelligence, I'm sure JPH can fill us in, complete with the personal neuances of same. And btw, Joan Mellen, unintentionally exposes another Fleming character - Clay Shaw = Scaramanga. JM mentions in her attention to detail in one of the most disquisting paragraphs of AFTJ, "....Logan's testimony is in part cooroborated by his knowledge that Shaw had only one nipple...." a unique infliction and characteristic of Ian Fleming's fictional villan Scaramanga, played by Roger Moore in the movie. Now let's ID Hammerstein. BK William, I don't have it on hand. But I remember browsing through Time from second half '64 and noted that a few issues pre WC report that Dulles had an article in front of issue. He was described as 'special correspondent' or some such thing. Anyway, in this particular issue his 'topic' was Fleming. I can't remember context. (I got the impression he was an irregular contributor to the magazine, so may have written other pieces as well) EDIT:: hmm... It may have been Time Life (internantional), however, in one of them. Next I'm in library I'll try to remember to check.

Some thoughts on this: IF there was writing on the head board it may have been in blood. Once it had dried it may have matched the brown of the wood. The compelling horror on the bed may have been sufficient to divert attention from some faint writing. Again a photo from an angle with the horror in the centre may not have been sufficient sans any on the spot descriptions to notice any writing. There seems to be a pattern to the head board wood, is it a known timber? Walnut, Oak? Veneer? There seems to be a patch of different quality about where one would expect hair grease from resting head. ___________________________ If one takes the bed board, corrects for perspective, straightens and resizes, applies a bit of gamma and enhancement there APPEARS to be writing. Here are some suggestions. It may very well be just wood patterns. It may be old writings. I knew someone who used to scribble a note on bed head every once in a while. Body fluids, (or any fluids for that matter) once applied with finger, shimmers in light. Once dried is hard to distinguish. (write oh windscreen of car with just finger and see in different light conditions) Anyway here it is for comments: PS. none of the writing makes sense to me, except possibly 666 but that interpretation is stretching it.

I don't know if it would happen. There has been no invitation to do so. But I suspect that there would be little questions that members may have, that those in Dallas are in a position to without too much trouble provide an answer to. So,I thought it might be worthwhile to try to provide a 'post it' notes kind of topic for minor q's in the hope that someone there this week might take the time to check. Things that are easy and not time consuming may be more likely of success. ______________________ My q's.: Describe the weather re. humidity. What is the distance in inches +/- half inch from corner of sixth floor to the edge of the brickwork in window opening. (PS remember to look both ways when crossing road, I notice theydrive on the wrong side over there (for those who come from countries where driving is on left. Especially if a bit tipsy from celebrations. It's funny how habits are so automatic. When I was over there I kept taking off from kerb looking the wrong way)

Mark, there are worrying aspects to what Tom is saying. I tend to agree with his analysis here. However as you indicate it has a dark side too. My take: In a coldly clinical sense, property and people damage (as much as possible) is very beneficial to a beleagured market economy. In a number of fell swoops, demands are created, over supply of labour and goods are eradicated. Space is made for new technologies. If we lived in a purely sane world we'd all be driving a updated version of the beetle or trabi, with parts inerchangeable with the models of 30 years ago, running on clean fuels. There are many other examples of development that take wrong turns driven not by what is good but by what has potential of selling in a continually reinvented marketplace. And if that market space is contracting? Make more. _______________________ Another aspect to the professional army is the greater potential to recreate tienanmin square. The Chinese government response to the demonstrations in tienanmin square partly took time in that they had to, in drawing from a 'peoples army', make sure that the ties between demonstrators and soldier were as less as possible. The less the tie, the more likely to shoot on order. _______________________ Further; the converse of the professional army is an unexperienced populace. _______________________ The creation or drift towards a purely professional army is on sign that the future may be bleak for the already beleaguered population in th US, let alone the people of Iraq. .......................... (I'm reminded of the consequences of 'a few good men' guarding 'the truth'.)

Stephen. I can't offer my opinion if fake or not. The timing of it is curious. It seems a bit of a mish mash of other letters. A full color, high res. pic would help. Another thing. I wonder if something has been said anywhere about what appears to be writing on the 'kelly phot' bed head board?

Appropriate topic, Dawn. Some of my thoughts: The world we live in is sometimes not a pretty place. There's no need to look further than the Kennedy assassination to know it. 'Confusion' and 'Fear' are atmospheres that are not valuable to those seeking the truth except in so far as considering the sources that seek to create or perpetuate same. Some of the thinking behind such attempts can be understood by studying the KUBARK document. http://www.parascope.com/articles/0397/kubark06.htm In the long run, I believe mature adults who behave according to principles of universal respect will have a greater influence. The people we remember today such as the two Kennedy's, MLK, the latter version of Malcolm X, Che, Romero etc. are the ONLY reason why their assassins would ever in any way be remembered. The important thing (I think) with regards to the assassins and their apologists is that the historical parasites and the vultures that follow in their wake only have as much influence over our future as we choose to give them. It's still 12.30.