Thomas Graves

Chris, By thinking in an open-minded, "detective" kind-of-way, one could say that Ruth reasonably intuited that the folded-up stationary/writing-paper thingy she spied (pardon the pun) in an area not terribly far from where she had seen Oswald laboriously composing and typing something the day before, was somehow connected to said writing project, and was, therefore -- since it was the same kind of paper, was in Oswald's distinctive handwriting, and lying next to Oswald's little dictionary -- very probably the final draft he had been typing from. -- Tommy PS What significance do you ascribe to Ruth's blurting out "It wasn't the only time he borrowed the typewriter"?

James, Nice insult! (Regardless, in this instance what do you not understand?) With all due respect, do you really think that you speak for those members who hesitate to speak up out of fear that you and/or some of the other "The Evil Evil CIA Killed Kennedy And The Cold War Ended in 1991!" true believers will ridicule them? If it's true that only half of the people here can understand me, why doesn't the other half ask me for clarification? Is it because my English syntax, grammar, and vocabulary aren't good enough? (LOL) Or is it that they know I'll suggest that they read Spy Wars, Ghosts of the Spy Wars, Legend, AND State Secret, The Man Who Knew Too Much, etc (for a little background), and they simply don't want to experience the CD (cognitive dissonance) the first three of those might cause them? "The real point was ..." LOL Are you suggesting that the "buddy" thing was a fake point? -- Tommy

James, With all due respect, I sounds to me as though you're pivoting a bit on the friendship issue ... -- Tommy

Can't remember his name now, but the guy caught taking a dive on the infield grass in the Z-film said he saw something happen near the retaining wall (in front of the station wagon) during the shooting, and actually walked over there to investigate immediately afterwards. -- Tommy

Bumping, and adding this: https://mashable.com/2018/01/22/drawing-lines-of-contention-study-twitter-university-of-washington/?utm_cid=hp-n-1

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Chris, I'm not sure I understand. How long would it have actually taken? In other words, where was your shooter's position? Just a few feet away, right? -- Tommy

James, With all due respect, even if it's true, as you suggest, that Helms and substantially younger Bradlee probably (or maybe just might have?) known each other in Beverly when they were kids, how does that equate with Don Jeffries' statement that they were "buddies"? -- Tommy

Chris, As I posted years ago, the car in the background in the center of the photo (behind the woman wearing a blue dress and a red sweater) is a Rambler Station Wagon. FWIW. -- Tommy PS Is that a man lurking in the shadows to the the right of the tree in front of the pickup truck on the right? With the top of his head "merging" with some foliage from the tree?

Paul, The point is that during the campaign Putin, through his "bots" and his legions of professional trolls in Saint Petersburg, spread fake news of all kinds, with the intent to hurt Hillary and help Trump, and to rile everybody up in general. "According to Jonathan Albright, research director at the Tow Center for Digital Journalism at the Columbia Journalism School, even a subset of the Russian-backed ads—reportedly propagated by an outfit called the Internet Research Agency in St. Petersburg—could have echoed around the Internet millions or even billions of times, reaching a vast audience through 'likes,' shares, and reposting. In a report issued by Albright and covered by The Washington Post, just six of the bogus, Russian-sponsored Facebook pages—under such diverse handles as Blacktivists, United Muslims of America, Being Patriotic, Heart of Texas, Secured Borders, and LGBT United—were shared 340 million times. That’s from just six sites, and there were 464 others that Facebook has admitted to finding. Plus, there could be hundreds or thousands of other undiscovered sites, perhaps fostered through cutouts or that weren’t paid for in Russian currency. Indeed, according to one study, as many as one-fifth of all election-related tweets may have stemmed from automated bots. Not all were Russian-related, of course, but the study did find that pro-Trump bot output exceeded pro-Clinton bots by a factor of three to one. Many of the Facebook ads were posted by wholly fabricated Russian users, often posing as nonexistent Americans, seeking to highlight racial and religious conflicts, anti-immigrant tensions, and radical-right points of view, either designed to excite Trump-leaning Internet users or depress and alienate Clinton-leaning ones. Others simply picked up and recast or exaggerated existing American opinion through posts and memes." https://www.thenation.com/article/russian-trolling-of-us-social-media-may-have-been-much-greater-than-we-thought/ -- Tommy

Chris, Hmm. Black, grey, and white propaganda. Sounds like what the Ruskies have been doing to us via 90-plus years of "active measures" ops, and for 58 years with (SCD, Department 14) "strategic deception" ops. Very effective on their own; devastating effective when synchronized. -- Tommy Edit: Seemingly contradictory Anti-Trump "fake news," ads, and tweets and Anti-Hillary "fake news," ads, and tweets come to mind. Desired result? People give up on fact-checking altogether, just go with the "click bait" that kinda appeals to them. Enter stage right (several years ago with an inspirational nudge from Vladislav Surkov) Roger Ailes and his metadata algorithms ... and wa-la "The Future is History," as Masha Gessen says...

James, With all due respect, is the excerpt (below) from the "hit piece" you're talking about? If so, did Lardner misquote Weisberg? "But Harold Weisberg, a longtime critic of the FBI and Warren Commission investigations of the assassination -- and who has little patience for many of the conspiracy theories that keep popping up -- protests: 'To do a mishmash like this [Stone's JFK] is out of love for the victim and respect for history? I think people who sell sex have more principle.'" https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1991/05/19/on-the-set-dallas-in-wonderland/0c958035-3fc2-48a7-a108-da0855c92a94/?utm_term=.65734635edce -- Tommy

More than you'll ever believe, Ty. "But, but, but ... that very nice man, Yuri Nosenko, said Oswald was so crazy and so dangerous looking in the USSR, that the KGB didn't even interview the son-of-a-gun!" Although they did let him stay there for 2.5 years.... -- Tommy

Thanks, Doug. Fascinating article. It would be nice to know whose money the casino was laundering. -- Tommy

Paul, Cognitive dissonance is the psychological pain a person feels when confronted with facts that conflict with their belief system. Your lack of such pain in the context of Bagley's reasoned, fact-based analysis of the Golitsin versus Nosenko situation is due, IMHO, to your totally human decision to avoid those kinds of facts, to rationalize them away, to assume that "the devil" put them there to "bug" you, to confuse you. By the way, Paul, Tennant H. Bagley wasn't "Angleton's man." Bagley was the chief of the Soviet Russia (aka Soviet Block) Division's counterintelligence department, whereas Angleton was chief of the Directorate of Plans' Counterintelligence Staff. They shared information with each other on a "need to know" basis, they brainstormed together, they argued. And they independently came to the conclusion that Yuri Nosenko was a false defector. -- Tommy PS Well, if you don't even want to read Bagley's 35-page PDF, how about this relatively short article by a former NSA counterintelligence officer? (Bagley and Nosenko are first mentioned about half-the-way down.) https://www.google.com/amp/s/20committee.com/2015/07/19/the-painful-truth-about-snowden/amp/

Bumped, as the (gasp) WP article I just now added at the bottom mentions Nosenko and "The Pentagon Papers" !!!

Paul, Given the fact that KGB-boy Putin installed a "useful idiot" as our President, who do YOU think won the Cold War? (Hint: Russian KGB-Mafia) -- Tommy

Paul, with all due respect, I'll address your statements and questions in the same order that you wrote them, above: 1) If you're relying on the book "The Sword and the Shield" by (gullible) Christopher Andrew, or some other reference to the implausibly long, "hand-copied and smuggled out" Mitrokhin Archives, .... all I can say is ... Heaven help you, Maestro! Or was it some other "active measures" source that you read? 2) That's because you have refused, so far, to read in-full the 2007 book and the 2015 pdf by Tennent H. Bagley that I recommended to you some time ago. I can only assume that your reason for that is that you've tried, but they caused you some excruciatingly painful cognitive dissonance? 3) Hint: Golitsin was a flawed true defector, Nosenko was a flawed fake defector. 4) Angleton got it wrong on Philby, but got it right on Nosenko. 5) My rhetorical answer: Did KGB-boy Vladimir Putin install a Russian "KGB"-mobbed-up (and therefore blackmail-able) anti-EU, anti-NATO, anti-Liberalism "useful idiot" as our president? And you seriously wonder who won the Cold War? (As though it ever ended as far as the Kremlin was concerned. LOL!) 6) Kruschchev was ousted, IMHO, because his actions during the Cuban Missile Crisis had humiliated the Politburo. Oh yeah, and his agricultural programs left much to be desired. 7) Ukraine is a fascist country? LOL (Did you know that Bandera was a Ukrainian nationalist, first and foremost, who happened to commit atrocities for both the Soviets and the Germans during WWII?) -- Tommy You might find this 1981 WP article interesting: https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1981/09/03/fbi-says-its-spy-in-kgb-was-a-fake/2f5602ba-7108-473e-9d91-dbdb92746da2/?utm_term=.32bfbb3cbf9a

Edited a teensy weensy bit and bumped. --

Excellent post, Pat. (No pun intended.) -- Tommy

James, With all due respect, I was just wondering if your fine review should be on this part of the Education Forum. -- Tommy PS Are we to believe, from Joe Pesci's script in "JFK," that even the assassin(s) who fired the shots at Kennedy didn't know who killed Kennedy?

Hmm Sounds as though Dave is telling Green Giant he didn't have anything to do with it. (sarcasm) -- Tommy

James, It's a wonderful film review, but what does it have to do with the JFK Assassination? -- Tommy

James, When you spoke with Lou Ivon, did you ask about "Spanish Trace" / "The Shepherd"? You know, the guy, with a scar above his left eyebrow, seen monitoring LHO in a couple of places on 7/9/63? -- Tommy